Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:51:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: suv defined On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > > Thought that would get y'all attention.... the definition of an SUV is a > station-wagon-type truck with either two or four wheel drive. And that > about covers it. Guess that rules out outback, rav4, sidekick, tracker, etc... > Ok, a test, to see who's been paying attention... how many J-trucks were > built with two-wheel drive? <grin>. No answers allowed from the old > hands, please, this one's for the newbies... let's see how they fare.. I will guess 0...[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:56:17 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: need dash info PDQ!! Ken, I've got wiring diagrams for a 67... I kept all my manuals. I can scan 'em in and send 'em to ya in a jpeg, or go down to a copy store and make nice copies... In fact, I may have a duplicate set of those manuals... I'll have to look. I got a second (or third) set of manuals with my 69... they had a supplement for the later models. john > cool, that web site that has manuals for 72 and up wags, has > one for a 72 wagoneer. im thinking of takning a chance that the > elec diagrams in that 72 manual will help me with my 67. because > the 72 has almost the same elec arrangement as the > 67, hence the reason to no the time AMC changed the dash!! > > john meister wrote: > > > > according to my standard catalog of AMC, in 1973... Color coded > > instrumentation was marked with international symbols and included > > two new type of gauges: an ammeter and a clock. (pg 272) > > > > hope that helps... > > > > john > > > > -- > Sincerely > > kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a > kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a > Super Wagoneer. > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:50:44 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Brad F!
the 205 is either LH or RH drop depending on the make. most
GM/Dodge, r RH, while most ford are LH. so with a post 79 FSJ
that use the OEM NP xcase with the LH drop, u would want to find
a ford 3/4 or 1ton truck or even the later model broncos. the case
was used from 71 to 80, but the type of trany mounting, and
the input spline count varied from years and from the tranys
used.
> Is the 205 right hand drop? Which trucks in which years got them, including
> all makes, and did they come behind th400s?
>
> Brad Feick
>
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Sincerely
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kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:02:09 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Support Chrysler Pulling Slots From Ellen Degenerate The thing I find fascinating about Seinfeld is how all the parts come together in kind of suprise (ala Ohenry) ending. While a lot of the stuff isn't all that funny, it is remarkably well written. Rosanne is extremely repulsive and obnoxious. Ellen is somewhat humorous, when she's not promoting some new age philosophy or other "idealogies"... :) john > On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, john meister wrote: > > I, personally, do not care about the issues surrounding the episode, but I > really don't are for her show. I do not find it/her funny. Of course, I do > not find Seinfeld funny either, or Rosanne. I find this rather surprising > (sp?) since I am the most easily amused person I know!!! > > > > > > John B., > > > > This is good info... While this may be controversial, I wouldn't > > hold it against Chrysler, they were kinda blind-sided too... > > > > Anyway, the number is 1 (800) 992-1997, when you get through, select > > 1 for public relations, then 2 to indicate your opinion on the Apr > > 30th episode. 1 to agree with Chrysler's decision, 2 to disagree... > > > > They say that they are not making a social statement, but that they > > don't feel it's good business to get involved in such a controversial > > issue. > > > > I agree with their decision. BRAVO for their proactive decision. > > Why get involved in something like that? This is good business to > > steer clear of this issue. > > > > Regardless of your personal beliefs on the topic, getting your > > business involved with something like this is not a wise thing, and > > for that I support them. > > > > Civilizations in decline fall into this type of behavior, declaring > > it to be new or enlightened. It's as old as Sodom and > > Gomorrah, and even older than that... The behavior is counter to > > nature and most social and religious belief systems, we must remember > > to target the behavior, and not the individual. Hate and anger > > toward the individual is not part of the equation, regardless of > > what the Ellen's of the world may claim. > > > > Thanks for passing this along, I appreciate your sensitivity on the > > subject and will forward it to the FSJ-list and a few other friends. > > Since I'm forwarding it I hope anybody that disagrees with the info > > takes up the issue with me and not you... > > > > Since it relates to the producer of FSJ parts, it's relevant and we > > need to let them know how we feel about this to give them feedback on > > their decision. Since there are over 140 of us on the FSJ list, I'd > > expect a few folks to disagree with the decision. They have a right > > to express their views too. Thank God we live in a country where > > our freedoms are still intact. > > > > john > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > I was unsure if I should forward this to the FSJ list or not. From reading > > > the comments of the subscribers and items on your home page, I think it > > > would be well received. However, I'm not always the most perceptive person > > > on the block. You as the list master (?) can either forward it to the > > > list, axe it, or give me the ok to forward it to the list. I don't mind > > > the heat. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Chrysler has decided to pull their sponsorship from the contraversial > > > episode of the Ellen Degenerate show. They have not decided what to do > > > about the rest of the season. You can call and voice you support for their > > > decision, and hopefully affect a decision to pull their sponsorship > > > permanently, by calling > > > > > > 1 (800) 992-1997. > > > > > > This line at one time led you to an actual person. Apparently the volume > > > of calls about this subject was occupying all the time of the operators so > > > they have automated it. You can still make a difference though- we need to > > > make sure that it is the supporters of their decision who are burning up > > > the circuits, not the... degenerate. Call today and pass this message > > > along to your conservative friends. > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." > > > Benjamin Franklin > > > > > > > > ******************************************************** > > john-at- http://www. > > ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj > > Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ > > no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace > > ********************************************************** > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:00:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: NP205 Is this a driver side drop? Will this fit my 85 G Wag??? Does NP have a web site? Is there a site that describes or has info on the NP205?[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:05:45 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: 350 Buick Swap info needed
maybe between the bell housing and the trany body itself, but
between the bell housing and the motor! nope.
ea division of GM used diff engine bolt patterns. cad, chv, BOP, etc!
bks-at-co.intel.com wrote:
>
> Didn't GM use the same bolt pattern for all manual transmissions on all GM
> engines? If so the an chevy adaptor to a AMC/Ford T18 would work. I think
> GM used the same bolt pattern for all manual transmissions, except for the
> NV4500, which uses a new (unique) bolt pattern.
>
> Okay, time for someone to tell me I'm wrong!
>
> -brad S.
>
--
Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:39:04 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 350 Buick Swap info needed
the buick 5.7l is still in use, but the 455 went out in the mid
70's. the BOP 455 share the same bolt pattern, but the pontiac
eng have the dist in the back as do the olds!!
bks-at-co.intel.com wrote:
>
> Okay, I have a question for the Buick Guru,
>
> What was the last years for the Buick 350 and the Buick 455? Was the Buick
> 455 the same as the Olds or Pontiac 455?
>
> -brad s.
>
>
--
Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:40:34 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Brad F!
well..maybe, but the 205 really has a 1.98 lo, but that
might be nit picking!!
bks-at-co.intel.com wrote:
>
> Brad F wrote:
>
> > most of the 4x persons
> > that go for the BB motors for power and torque, default to
> > the NP 205 all-gear HD xcase. it is twice as heavy as the d20
> > and can take BB horse w/ ezz. failing that, the d20 would be
> > the next best thing. but in reverse, u can use the d20 till
> > it breaks, and then try the 205.
>
> The D300 is supposed to be stronger than the d20. It also has a 2.61:1
> low range. If you get a D300 from a Scout, it even has the d20 bolt pattern!
> But the Scout beasties are hard to come by and expensive because IH only
> used them for one year (1980). Still, it isn't as strong as the NP205!
>
> Both the NP205 and the D20 have the same low range, 2:1.
>
> -brad S.
>
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>
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kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:41:52 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: John M!
hmmm, ok!
john meister wrote:
>
> It was a reserved designator, for military aircraft...
>
> remember the old air force one?
>
--
Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:31:48 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: 66' Wagoneer Robert, any yr door will work. Yeah, armrests would be nice. I picked up my interior door panels from a yard. $100 for the set of 4, plus the rear cargo area interior panels. But when I asked for the armrests, they were $25 each! I declined but not wish I had bought them because I've been armrest-less for the past 4 yrs. ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: Robert Close <rclose-at-humboldt1.com> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: 66' Wagoneer > Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 12:00 AM > > > > What year doors are compatible with my 66'. I saw a really nice 69' that > had arm rests. That sure would be a nice feature. I need to replace the > doors due to rust anyway.[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:34:07 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: Home Page update & Holiday for Me Have a good holiday, Mike! ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Home Page update & Holiday for Me > Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 12:45 AM > > Fellow inmates, > > I performed a minor update on my home page today. It's only been 6 months > since last I did this task. You clowns have managed to visit my page 770 times > since Feb. 3! But 766 of those visits were made by Doc trying to download my > corrupt .zip files. The changes include:[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:40:07 -0500 From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com> Subject: Re: Name Your Favorite 4x4 Commercial That one is my favorite too. BTW, Jen got me a Jeep wristwatch for Christmas. It came in a nice wooden case with a litho-type graphic of a Wrangler. The watch also came with a keychain that says "Jeep" in the middle and "Go Anywhere...Do Anything" around the border. Cool! ======================================= Henry Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com ---------- > From: M & J <trapper-at-primenet.com> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: Name Your Favorite 4x4 Commercial > Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 8:33 AM > > I particularly like the one where all you see is a landscape of deep > mountain snow. Then you see something moving under the snow like a snake > and then it comes up to a stop sign that is almost completely buried by the > deep snow. Then you see a faint turn signal blinker flashing under the > snow and the "thing" turns and continues moving under the snow. You never > see anything in this commercial but the snow. Pure genius! > > Martin Schaefbauer, Yuma AZ '70 SJ 350 TH400 > Any other AZ FSJ'rs out there? Let's talk about a local IFSJA chapter.[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:46:05 PDT From: "wallace rees" <seerlaw-at-hotmail.com> Subject: chrysler John, B i tryed that no. for chrysler but I did't get the chose for public relation. I found nothing that related to the subject. do you know if that is a day option only. sorry for the spread out lines, not my computer w.rees --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:03:49 PDT From: "wallace rees" <seerlaw-at-hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Henry's Spare Shroud/Dash Change/Kids > > >As for kids and young-uns... those folks younger than me at any rate (I'm >21...sort of a conditional grown-up...I can still "decorate" with grilles >and license plates) it is your God given duty to make your parents crazy. >You need point out every single occasion when your parents say or do >something to show that they are just not with the picture anymore. This >way your parents know that they are getting old so that their hair will >go grey and fall out and they will hopefully have their respective >midlife crises. Even when your parents point out something absolutely >obvious try to learn it for yourself, the hard way, just to drive them >nuts. And most important...be a slacker...go out, get dirty, have fun >when you "should be doing your homework" It drives parents nuts. And when >dating...most young lady's dads absolutely love Cherry Bombs. They also >like it when you smoke up tires in front of the house. ciggarettes and >Skoal are also another excellent way to win a parent's respect as is a >filthy mouth. > >Mark > > > > Hey Mark you are on the mark, thats what my kids seem to be doing, Also don't forget tattos, earrings, and not quit a beard w.rees 83 fsj --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 21:02:43 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: 350 Buick Swap info needed What was the last years for the Buick 350 and the Buick 455? Was the Buick 455 the same as the Olds or Pontiac 455? >>>>> I have to look this up to be sure, but I'm thinking '76 was the last year for the 455 and maybe the 350 too. If this is not correct at least it's close. The 455 I have is a '76 smogger that has 8:1 comp., which is why I had to locate the earlier heads... Everything I have seen lists the 455 up to 76, so this is a good guess off the top of my head. Also, the late 70's is when the General started sticking the "corporate" (Chevy) 305 in everything with wheels, so I'm thinking the Buick 350 met it's maker about the same time. MAYBE it suffered an undignified end with a 2bbl and cats. for a year or two more than the 455, and I am into GS cars mainly, so it could be true that the Apollo or some abomination got the 350 after 76 but not far after. My Buick "uniwagon" (that horrible Century/Malibu thing) had the 305 (78) All the General's Big Blocks were absolutely different. Why the Chevy was 454 and the rest were 455 is a mystery to me, but I can tell you that the reason that up until 70 the largest A bodied engine allowed was a 400 was because the General had a 400 CI restriction on those cars until it pulled it for the HP wars and allowed all divisions the 454/455s. Too bad it only lasted for 2 years when they abandoned the A bodies. (Chevelle/Skylark/Cutlass/LeMans/GTO/SS/442/GS) Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:28:07 -0400 From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net> Subject: Re: Jack's stalling problem > Was your stalling problem carb related or electrical short? If it > was > your carb, what was wrong with it? I have the same stalling > symptoms > (on turns, bumps). Dave, It turned out to be two things - 1.The float on the carb was set way wrong and dirty(the carb genius rebuilt mine) 2. Th control module was another version than spec and had been modified to fit my connectors. I don't know if the commands were correct but the connectors sure were compromised. Good luck! Jack[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:31:22 -0400 From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net> Subject: Re: Support Chrysler Pulling Slots From Ellen Degenerate Folks, Count me in the live and let live column. Last I looked TVs(and computers) had on/off switches. Jack[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:42:24 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: NP205
the np205 was either LH or RH drop. GM had the RH drop, and
ford had the LH drop. the ford version would fit ur 85, at least
as far as to which side the front driveshaft comes out!!
Moake Brian wrote:
>
> Is this a driver side drop?
> Will this fit my 85 G Wag???
> Does NP have a web site?
unk
> Is there a site that describes or has info on the NP205?
unk
>
--
Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 21:07:36 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: D20 swap When do you want one?? (D20) >>>> ASAP installed. How much? >I also >have a Dual lever d20 from a scout. >>>> How much for that? Got a 205 lying around? Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 21:32:33 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Brad F! Brad I think I would maybe go to the 208 case with the 400.I believe that it is just as strong and gives you a better low range. >>>> Just as strong as what? Is it right hand drop? I havent had a failure with my d20(KNOCK ON WOOD)but I think I am putting to much punishment through it.Depends I guess on what you plan on doing with it. >>>> Well, I'm not going to put 38" Swampers on it and do 4wd burn outs with it with the ARBs locked! (well on 2nd thought...) Anyway, first the QT is supposed to explode on me, but yet I see Frank beating the snot out of his Wag. THEN, an all gear case is supposed to be the ticket (which I thought was true even before all of this), but the D20 may not stand up to the test. Is the 205 all that nuch better? Will it work with my pass. side front diff? What about the 208? What exactly is different about the 228 from the 208? Has anybody out there broken a D20 PERSONALLY? All I know first hand is that my buddy's stock '70 C20 with all gear 'case (not sure what that is...) and PTO has pulled out some amazing "stucks" with his granny gear 4 spd, probably has 300K miles on it, and just keeps wearing out motors. Obviously no 'case is gonna take many side stepping hole shots. Is it possible to find a 205 without a grail-like search? I'll be selling my 400 and d20.Different strokes different folks I guess. >>>> Send me up that twin stick and the 400 gears and I'll be your best friend... Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 21:35:34 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Brad F! the 205 is either LH or RH drop depending on the make. most GM/Dodge, r RH, while most ford are LH. so with a post 79 FSJ that use the OEM NP xcase with the LH drop, u would want to find a ford 3/4 or 1ton truck or even the later model broncos. the case was used from 71 to 80, but the type of trany mounting, and the input spline count varied from years and from the tranys used. >>>> So which rh drop is likely to have the same spline as my QT type th400s, and do you need some extra gear set-up as in the D20? Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:29:03 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Re: Parts book
Jeff,
The parts book I have, at least the one in question, is the 74-80 Jeep
Parts Manual. Its the book they used to have at the dealership so the
nitwit counter personnel could look up parts by the picture, without
having to know where it goes or what it does. Which is also why I like
it so much. Since the book ends in 80, its really up to you. Someone
with an 81 just ordered on, but somethings are going to be different,
and therefore, not covered. I don't know where you are in Texas, but
Jeff Gunn has one. Maybe you could take a look at his and see what you
think. It's up to you. Let me know,
Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track
Jeff Herbst wrote:
>
> Zack wrote:
> > I still have a couple left over if
> >anyone wants one. {parts books}
>
> Zack, I got on to this late, so please bear with me. What parts book
> are they? If they cover parts for a '82 Wagoneer Limited, I would be
> very interested.
>
> Jeff Herbst
> 1982 Wagoneer Limited
> Texas
>
> JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:31:06 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Introduction/Tow ratings? if somebody wants to summarize the results of the table, duly citing the source, etc. I'd be glad to park the summary data on a page on ORC... just be sure to cite the author, issue, page, etc. And we'll just do the results data, not the text. john > Dean Morgan wrote: > > > > I'd like to see the tow test article. > > > > Mike A. > > > > Mike, > > I can fax or send you a copy of the article, let me know which. > > > > I'd appreciate a copy if possible. How would you like to get it to > Kelowna, BC Canada? > > > Also does anybody know if you can use a weight distributing hitch with > > a trailer that has hydraulic surge brakes? The ones listed in J.C. > > Whitney warn against it. > > > > Since the weight-distributing hitch uses some hefty bars they may not > let the trailer push against the ball hard enough for braking purposes. > I've always seen and used electric brakes with the big hitches. > > Gord > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:31:06 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: chrysler it worked for me, mid-day... john > John, B i tryed that no. for chrysler but I did't get the chose for public > relation. I found nothing that related to the subject. do you know if that > is a day option only. sorry for the spread out lines, not my computer w.rees > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:31:06 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Gas mileage info Wow, 14mpg in the city!!!! That's GREAT. I'm getting about 10mpg, I did get almost 12mpg towing my trailer going down to Eugene, Oregon from the Seattle area to get a new engine and tranny... 14 sounds about right, even on the good side. Yep, performance isn't outstanding either... Old Blue does 0 to 60 mph (100Km/hr) in about 18 seconds... Gas is hovering around $1.30 here per gallon... Mine didn't come with a prepaid gas card either... It costs about $20 or so to fill mine... Ya gotta love 'em though... I'm going to put a 4.0L and 4speed auto out of an 88 Cherokee into mine, and probably change the ring and pinion to 3.73 from 2.72... My little 88 xj style wagoneer gets 17 to 18mpg around town... ttyl, john > Hi there!! > > My name is Dan Patton, I don't know if I have contacted the proper person to get more info. > I have a 1983 Grand Wagoneer Limited > It is all original except for the rust!! I bought the truck in Oct. 96 and am not sure if it is running properly or not? > I have the 360 / 2 barrel the gas mileage is pretty bad!! I get 14mpg city and she is slow as mollases!! (Is this normal) Not the kind of pep you would expect from 14mpg. > Any info on how to improve this would be appreciated, I love her but she didn't come with a gas card!!! > > Dan Patton dpatton-at-xtc-com.com > > PS. The price of gas in Ottawa Ontario is approx. $0.58 per litre that is equal to $2.50 per gallon!! It cost me $36.00 to fill up!!!! > > ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:39:52 -0400 From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net> Subject: Brad, you still up? Hey Brad, Just think, its only 8:30 on the wrong, er I mean left coast, instead of 11:30 like it is here. Shouldn't you be taking care of your bride to be? Sheesh, you talk about me.<g> I put your book in the mail, you should have it soon. Later, Zack[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:36:18 PST From: dr_kaiser-at-juno.com (Ryan S. Kyle) Subject: The wee young-uns and other Jeep stuff... I'm kinda the paradox to everything everyone has said lately. I'm 19 (close to Wallace, yet I still annoy my parents occassionally), a new list member, and a NEW fan of FSJ's. I originally wanted a CJ (gasp!), but decided I'd have alot more fun and practical uses with an SJ. I did have an XJ Chero for a few years (my dad's a Jeep nut and it goes to show, you bring your kids up right, they'll be addicted too) but had to sell it because of school in order to get something that wasn't so gas economically challenged. I regret the day, but still do remember envying many of the people I'd see around with their bigger Cherokee's and GW's. So I've been searching and found a two door 63 (or 64? I can't find any difference) Wagoneer. The tornado-6 is gone, as well as the tranny, but I still fell in love with it. It actually has very little rust (-by south Texas standards, it less than my 89 had--but then all those trips to the beach didn't help it) and I think that had a lot to do with the fact it had been in Mexico for a great majority of it's life. Anyway, I wanted to put a AMC 360 in it, but (for some reason) I get the impression from most of you as I read your letters that I shouldn't bother. So (if I actually get it), what suggestions on motor/tranny combinations do most of you suggest? Also, which one's should I stay away from? This isn't gonna be my main source of transportation so I'll work on it when money and time from school allows. Thanx, Ryan P.S. I say the frisbee commercial has my vote too.[Back to Top]
Date: 30 Apr 97 00:15:00 EDT From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Vac lines Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> writes: >> Anybody know what the cylinder is between the vapor recovery canaster and the carb? << Jeff, both of mine have the canister/cylinder thingie in one of the lines going to the purge canister. I don't know what it does. It's not in any of the diagrams. If I ever see one at the junk yard, I think I'll buy it and dissect it so we can find out. -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 29-Apr-1997 at 21:13:22 PDT !^NavFont01F000AMGmHGtHH40C645[Back to Top]
Date: 30 Apr 97 00:15:07 EDT From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: GW-that danged chrome strip "David P. Dusenbury" <dp-at-interpath.com> writes: >> Anybody had any luck replacing the chrome strip that runs across the top of the front windshield on late model Grand Wagoneer's?? << David, my Chero. has the same affliction. I have a brand new one still in the wrapping. Like 99% of the other FSJ parts I own, it's not installed yet. The Wag's bright trim does not suffer from the desire to part company. I still have the Chero's original bright strip. I just keep putting it back on and it'll stay for awhile and then it gets loose on one end and starts banging on the roof. I've gotten so good, I don't even stop anymore. I just reach out and grab it and pull it inside. Just performed this exercise a few weeks ago and I haven't put it back on yet. It likes to come loose on windy days at fwy speeds. If the new one will stay or if I ever figure-out how to get the old one to stay, I'll post the info. on the list. -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 29-Apr-1997 at 21:13:31 PDT !^NavFont01F000AMGlHGuHIE5773A[Back to Top]
Date: 30 Apr 97 00:15:17 EDT From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Jeeps with 350 Buicks bks-at-co.intel.com writes: >> There may be a little confusion here. The Chevy V8 is a 90 degree engine. In fact, I know of no V8s that are not 90 degrees. V6 engines come in 60 degree and 90 degree offsets. << I fully concur. The Buick 350s are fine engines. It's ironic that they are so close in design to the AMC V-8s. Like the oil pump in the timing cover, front distributor, etc. They'll both easily go 200,000 with regular maint. The wide intake manifold on the 350 may be due to relatively short deck height or more likely due to head design. SuperKen said there has never been a FSJ engine with more torque than a Buick 350. Jeep's own specs. for both engines are: The '70 Buick was rated at 350 lb ft. while the '71 AMC 360 was rated at 365 lb. ft. The AMC was rated with a 2 bbl carb. The SAE changed the standard for engine power measurement in 1973. If you compare the power output of a '73 & up engine to a pre '73, you have to factor in the SAE change. The pre-'73 specs. are usually 18-25% more than the same engine rated under the newer SAE specs. The '74 401 adjusted to pre-'73 specs would be about 390 lb. feet of torque. Next time you hear someone bragging about their 425 HP 427, just subtract about 100 HP and then say "Yes but with the SAE change for 1973, your engine would be more like 325 HP today." Muscle car era HP figures are not so impressive when adjusted to the SAE standard used today. David and I were supposed to put the final touches on my heads and gather the final flow data on Sun. but, he got stuck moving big rocks. It'll have to wait until after Mexico now. Plus, my little local consortium of car nuts has decided to move the shop from one member's grandmother's ranch to a shop in the industrial area here. That means rent. Ouch. And we have to figure-out how to move a 5,000 lb. vertical mill. Oh well, I'm not in a hurry that's for sure. So far my only contribution to the consortium has been my cherry picker. If any of you have the opportunity to join a local group such as this, do it. It's worth the time hassles. Essentially, everyone donates all the shop equipment and then exploits each other's talents. It adds a lot of ideas, expertise and quality to a project. -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 29-Apr-1997 at 21:13:34 PDT !^NavFont01F000AMGXHGaHMFE44D3[Back to Top]
Date: 30 Apr 97 00:15:24 EDT From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: RE: Introduction/Tow ratings? Dean Morgan <dean-at-onyxgroup.com> writes: >> Also does anybody know if you can use a weight distributing hitch with a trailer that has hydraulic surge brakes? The ones listed in J.C. Whitney warn against it. << Dean, the spring bars on a weight distributing hitch will interfere with the inertial slide on the surge brake system. Weight dist. hitches are only intended to be used with electric brakes. Electric trailer brakes don't last long when they are being submerged in water regularly. Quality built boat trailers use a lot of stainless steel in their surge brake systems. Also they usually have fresh water wash-out fittings for those times when you put the trailer in salt water. Check out the following URL. They have a bunch of good tech. info. on trailers: http://www.championtrailers.com. -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 29-Apr-1997 at 21:13:38 PDT !^NavFont01F000AMGfHGoHI9E9711[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:46:38 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Non FSJ Delete Hi all, Hoping at least one curious person didn't delete this. I've been offshore and it seems I've returned in the middle of something to do with a lame sitcom and chrysler???? Is that the opposite of an oxymoron? Since earlier posts seemed to have raised some concern about this situation, I guess I need to be told what this is about. Probably if it affects chrysler it will eventually in some 'negative' way affect me and my SJ. Will someone drop me a direct line to "briefly" splain me? Regards, -jj ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joe Schaefer Nordland, WA USA mailto:joes-at-olympus.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:21:57 PDT
From: "wallace rees" <seerlaw-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: info.
Kenneth, E.
Thanks for the help on my questions. I'm going to leave those thing the
way thay are for now.
John
I noticed you run steel white spokes,and alum. which do you do you like
the best?
W. Rees
83 FSJ
Idaho Fall, Id.
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:10:18 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: The wee young-uns and other Jeep stuff... > I originally wanted a CJ >(gasp!), but decided I'd have alot more fun and practical uses with an >SJ. pssst...I have both. It is good... :) -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:55:38 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: info. > John > I noticed you run steel white spokes,and alum. which do you do you like > the best? > W. Rees > 83 FSJ > Idaho Fall, Id. I don't notice any difference from inside. I like the way the white spokes look with the Dark Blue body... Several folks have commented how much nicer the white spokes look than the aluminum... But since it's expensive to mount & balance tires, I'll leave my studs on the white spoke and my nice Michelin xlt's on the aluminum... part of my theory on keeping the steel white spokes with the snow tires is in case I run into a curb or something, I figure the steel will be easier to replace and less suspectible to damage... :) later, john ******************************************************** john-at- http://www. ORC-FSJ = http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)and Cherokee 77 SJ no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace **********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:04:21 +0000 From: "john meister" <john-at-> Subject: Re: Non FSJ Delete Joe, If nobody told you, Ellen is coming out of the closet. There will be parties and all kinds of hoopla about it, as it is supposedly some great event for homosexuality. Like someone else posted before, live and let live. But, Chrysler does not want to get involved in the controversy associated with it possibly because conservative organizations have been very successful in boycotting advertisers that promote whatever it is that isn't what that conservative organization thinks is inappropriate. That's where Chrysler's wisdom comes in. They say they're not making a statement for or against what Ellen is doing, they just don't want to be involved. Since Chrysler makes FSJ parts and they're probably not going to be boycotted by either side, we will probably have one less company to deal with in the future... (in other words, Chrysler will still be there...) Sure, it's a reach... (as far as how FSJ's got involved...) But I figured it was pretty cool the way they handled it. Like I said before, I wouldn't hold it against Chrysler if they had continued to run their ads... and the way they're pulling them if I were like Ellen I might possibly understand why Chrysler did what they did... They did a good job of straddling the fence, not something you see done very well this day and age... > Hi all, > Hoping at least one curious person didn't delete this. > I've been offshore and it seems I've returned in the middle of something to > do with a lame sitcom and chrysler???? Is that the opposite of an oxymoron? > Since earlier posts seemed to have raised some concern about this > situation, I guess I need to be told what this is about. > Probably if it affects chrysler it will eventually in some 'negative' way > affect me and my SJ. > Will someone drop me a direct line to "briefly" splain me? > > Regards, > -jj > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Joe Schaefer > Nordland, WA USA > mailto:joes-at-olympus.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
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