Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:29:22 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: wish list mods... > > The "Want" List a service of the Full-Size Jeep List. > If you would like to be added to the list or if you need to delete > items, please send e-mail to: > 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com (Michael Baxter) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > john-at- > > I'd like for Old Blue (81 Wagnr Ltd): > > 1. original Jeep brush guard > 2. J10 grille with the embossed Black Jeep in the center > (with rectangular headlights, 81 & up?) > 3. a windscreen for my sunroof > 4. a front bumper like java joe's... (will trade my 81 > aluminum bumper for it...) > 5. a rear wiper > 6. panel service rear doors > 7. a Diesel motor or Fuel Injection > 8. a 4speed OD AT > 9. my vibrations from 25 to 35mph to go away wish fullfilled... you can delete this one... :) shims seemed to have cured the problem... > 10. a new radiator > 11. a factory tranny cooler gonna use a VW airconditioner setup... :) > 12. a limited slip rear end > 13. factory fog lights will make do with aftermarket... > 14. ARB air locker for the front axle > 15. a Class II or III 2" receiver hitch > 16. a functioning & correct color parcel cover > 17. one of those welder/hi-output alternators > 18. new floormats > 19. better gas mileage > ------------------------------------------------------[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:31:15 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re:grilles scanned...
>
> If it will help the group in GW front grill descriptions, I have a scanner at
> the office and can convert anyones photos into a GIF file and create a
> library of grill photos. If anyone is interested email me, (address above), &
> I'll tell you where to snail mail me a photo.
if you scan 'em, I'll post 'em on my web page, just email a jpeg and a description...
doc can rob them from my site or you can cc him as well... his is the official
fsj home page...
john
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Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:33:06 -0600 From: Matt Kirkwood <kirkwood-at-lsil.com> Subject: Re: '89 Grand Wagoneer Jeff Gunn wrote: > > Drove by an '89 GW on the way to work this AM. Stopped at lunch and > checked it out and wrote down the phone number. Basically, it's a 360 > 2-barrel, auto, 4WD, power seats, A/C, new paint (complete with sags and > runs), 84,000 miles, looks pretty good. The guy wants $7500 for it. > Does this seem a bit high, or do the more recent, plush models command > these prices. There was no rust visible, but with a recent paint job, > rust could easily be hidden, only to re-emerge later! $7500 seems pretty much in line. I've been looking mostly at 89-91 GW's and they run about $8K to $10K. I wouldn't touch an 89 that's been poorly repainted, though. Gotta be rust under there. If the paint is poor, the rust repairs underneath will be worse. Paint is easy compared to prep work. Where is this vehicle located? -Matt kirkwood-at-LSIL.com[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: '89 Grand Wagoneer price sounds with in reason... these late model gw's command much higher prices... as far as rust... depends on where you're at, if it has it, you'd see it... oh, just noticed the new paint... all bets are off... :) john > > Drove by an '89 GW on the way to work this AM. Stopped at lunch and > checked it out and wrote down the phone number. Basically, it's a 360 > 2-barrel, auto, 4WD, power seats, A/C, new paint (complete with sags and > runs), 84,000 miles, looks pretty good. The guy wants $7500 for it. > Does this seem a bit high, or do the more recent, plush models command > these prices. There was no rust visible, but with a recent paint job, > rust could easily be hidden, only to re-emerge later! > Jeff > '78 Cherokee[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:52:48 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Snohomish - right next to Lake Wobegon...
> >-- End of excerpt from john
> I'm living in Houston, Texas (AKA Hot-town). Several guys I work with
> (I'm a mechanical engineer) are going to Boeing in February to make the
> big bucks. I just bought a house, but it sounds like these guys are
> going to clean up in Seattle (temptation to move for adventure and
> money). Any comments on Boeing as an employer?
> Are you near Seattle? A drive to Washington/Northern CA has been a
> dream for me for the last couple years....
> Jeff > '78 Cherokee >
a good friend from Boeing moved to houston, but he's originally from texas...
another friend from hs fixes elevators in houston
one of the s/w vendors on the client's project I'm supporting is from houston
my resume just got floated down to a company in houston for a job here...
seattle is ok, traffic is lousy, whether has the least sunshine in the cont. us.
(see my web page...) less rainfall than chicago, we just sttttrrrreeeettttccccchhhhhhhhh
it out over weeks and months instead of getting it all in one cloudburst... btw, originally
from the chicago area... so I know what rain REALLY is... this folks out here get mist...
add wind, they call it a storm... :) they wouldn't have words to describe a good thunderstorm
and tornado... (my home town was hit twice in the 60's... i've seen some cool stuff, like
a 12 foot long 2x4 blowing down the street... but you know that, you live in texas...)
boeing. if you come in at the right salary and work in the right area and have the right
skills, (or no skill) it's good. I may very well return. lots of good folks there.
negotiate hard going in, there ain't no fixin' it later, trust me. excellent benefits though.
parking is a major pain. figure 1/2 to a mile walk from the unsecured lots outside the gates,
at least in the Everett or Renton plants... lots of little irritations... I was there 11 years,
finally moved, tough decision...
john
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:55:33 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: lowrange... > Michael Baxter wrote: > > Matt Kirkwood <kirkwood-at-lsil.com> writes: > > > (my stuff about using 4-lo on the freeway) my 81 wgnr ltd had the tf727, with np219 qt, 2.72 gears... in high range 4wd I shift out of 1st at max throttle at 50mph, 2nd at 80... low range? what 2.62:1 or so... haven't tried top speed, my guess is I could probably do 30 or so... will have to try it on the way home... drove Old Blue today... he got shimmed, and the shakes begone... john[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:00:44 EST From: hi-bob-at-juno.com (Bob R Newhart) Subject: Signing off Hello, I am un subscribing from the FSJ-List. It is not what I had hoped it would be. Each day after I download a 40 to 50 K message pack and the subject large Jeeps is seldom addressed. My 78 Cherokee restoration is nearly half done. Upon it's completion I may check back in and give it another go. I've decided to cut back on my on line time and devote more to my main hobby, restoring older unique cars or trucks. Best holiday wishes, Bob[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:12:21 -0500 From: Doug Marschka <moosh-at-redrose.net> Subject: Re: 3rd posting of the Want List Michael, Your killin' me. Did you get so excited when you read I had a parts manual that you forgot to read the rest of my message? It contained my wish list of stuff. If you don't have it, I'll think up another. Thanks, Zack[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:21:50 -0800
From: aholley-at-jps.net (Aaron Holley)
Subject: Boom boom
This is boom boom Aaron Holley. New to the list. Didn't mean to hurt
anyone's feelings with my very first post, but, we've all got to live
together. Anyway, I drive an '84GW, fully loaded. This is our second fsj -
first was a '75 wagon. Married, 3 children, 1 in college. AKC Rottweiler
owner; love to fish, camp, ski, play in the snow; my wife, oldest daughter
and I all shoot together at a local pistol range. I'm a ham: kd6rue - too
lazy and too dumb to learn code! Ex big rig driver - drove for Viking,
linehaul - triples, etc. Just your ordinary run of the mill type of guy who
loves drivng a fsj. Here in Sac, these babies are quite popular. See them
all the time around town and up in the hills above Placerville. To the gent
who found that thingamajig under his dash, it's your cruise control black
box. The holes allow you to adjust it, etc. I'm running an old workhorse
system here at home: 486dx2/66, 24mb ram, .5g hd, 33.6 Supra fax/modem,
Win95 and Netscape. This allows me to jackin and stay current(not
necessarily wiser, but current). Plans for the future: lift the GW, put in a
new comp controlled, fi, engine, new tires, and a bigger stereo; also will
mount my Cobra Classic 29 cb and 2 meter rig, new antennae, and find a
better location for the cellphone! The d44 upfront is cool, but I could use
some sort of part-time locker. The rear will get a d60 with the same.
xtransfer case needs nothing - 229. Both diffs will get a gear change
because of the increase of tire size - 31.10.50(hopefully), the 727 tq auto
is fine, I love, especially because it has never failed me! I presume most
of you guys are joking about the wives - mine is a lover of all things Jeep
and isn't against the mods I plan to make. As long as I don't touch her
Beamer, she's cool!! I'd love to give it a lift, etc.
Anyway, thanks to all who answered my original post. I'll be
listening and learning. 73 kd6rue. 147.195+ Aaron. Sacramento. aholley-at-jps.net
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:54:14 -0500 From: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com> Subject: Re: '85 GW tailgate wiring Along the same lines has anyone purchased the ALLDATA CDROM with "repair" manuals? Looks a little expenive plus getting a computer for the garage to use the thing. I did order up a set of factory manuals for my 86. 4 piece set. I got three of the 4. I pick up the body manual later on. Price, I guess (?) wasnt bad. Complete set was about $60. ($40 without the body book.). In the mean time, before my books come I have have a couple of questions about the carbs. 2bbl,make ??. I had the wag in the show to see why the thing was running rough. BP (dont laugh I had plastic to spend there) says the carb was running lean and needed rebuilt. They and wanted $460 to do the rebuild an swap carbs. Seems a bit steep since I can get a new(rebuilt) carb for under $160. I passed on the the 1/2 grand to fix a rough idle and instead blasted it with some carb cleaner. That helped a lot but still a little rough. There didnt seem to be that much work to swap them, but my carb experience is next to nill. Am I getting in over my head if I give it a try?(?)? I did notice that the electronic choke (i think thats what it is) has a very short throw, maybe 1/2 inch. I also notice that the adjustment screw/spring on the carb side of the choke is tightend all the way in. Should it be that far in or is the choke sprong and not fully extending? Should the choke/throdle screw always touch the choke throw rod? Enough ramblings and vague descriptions.. Hey, maybe I can hook up my connectix camera and do a broadcast for all to see what the heck I am talking about... I can run a network drop off the hub out there .. -:) At 03:06 PM 12/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >I'm restoring an'85 GW and need some help on the tailgate wiring. It's all >disconnected inside including what I think is the rear window defroster >relay. I've jury rigged it to a DPDT switch that has the glass working but >want to reinstall the wiring the proper way but need a wiring diagram. I went >thru the "howto" on Mike Baxters homepage but still need the wiring diagram. >Any help, please email to: TCOLLINS-at-aol.com. Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com packet: N8EMR -at- W8CQK Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends) "I want to be a nonconformist, just like all my friends"[Back to Top]
Date: 11 Dec 1996 16:16:08 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Snohomish - right next to Lake Wobegon... On Dec 11, 3:52pm, john wrote: > Subject: Re: Snohomish - right next to Lake Wobegon... > > > seattle is ok, traffic is lousy, whether has the least sunshine in the cont. us. > (see my web page...) less rainfall than chicago, we just sttttrrrreeeettttccccchhhhhhhhh > it out over weeks and months instead of getting it all in one cloudburst... btw, originally > from the chicago area... so I know what rain REALLY is... this folks out here get mist... > add wind, they call it a storm... :) they wouldn't have words to describe a good thunderstorm > and tornado... (my home town was hit twice in the 60's... i've seen some cool stuff, like > a 12 foot long 2x4 blowing down the street... but you know that, you live in texas...) > > boeing. if you come in at the right salary and work in the right area and have the right > skills, (or no skill) it's good. I may very well return. lots of good folks there. > negotiate hard going in, there ain't no fixin' it later, trust me. excellent benefits though. > parking is a major pain. figure 1/2 to a mile walk from the unsecured lots outside the gates, > at least in the Everett or Renton plants... lots of little irritations... I was there 11 years, > finally moved, tough decision... > > john > >-- End of excerpt from john Thanks for the feedback, I'm just toying with things right now. If you make it to Houston, look me up! That goes for ALL of ya! Jeff Houston Texas (713) 937-5740 W (281) 550-6791 H[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:06:57 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Re: J sterling!! pressure?? john wrote: > 2x4's... were they pressure treated? :) > -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:11:17 -0500 From: Jack McAdams <daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net> Subject: Re: '89 Wag. Gurus...A live one! At 03:24 PM 12/11/96 EST, you wrote: >Jim Tranchina <jet-at-sr.hp.com> writes: > > Reflective glare on windshield when night driving. Thus far I just turn > down the instrument panel lights but plan to black out the steering > column to cut glare. Wow - I thought that was just my personal quirk! The glare from the panel drives me nuts at night. I, too, just turn them all the way down. Does anybody have a 'real' fix for this? ================================== Jack McAdams daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net '91 GW - ALMOST the last of the dinosaurs![Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:13:21 -0500 From: Jack McAdams <daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net> Subject: Re: '89 Grand Wagoneer At 01:54 PM 12/11/96 -0600, you wrote: > >Drove by an '89 GW on the way to work this AM. Stopped at lunch and >checked it out and wrote down the phone number. Basically, it's a 360 >2-barrel, auto, 4WD, power seats, A/C, new paint (complete with sags and >runs), 84,000 miles, looks pretty good. The guy wants $7500 for it. >Does this seem a bit high, or do the more recent, plush models command >these prices. There was no rust visible, but with a recent paint job, >rust could easily be hidden, only to re-emerge later! > >Jeff >'78 Cherokee As a comparison - I bought my '91 in April this year. Same configuration except original paint in good shape and 60K miles. Paid $12K in NJ ------------ ------------ Jack McAdams The Daedalus Group daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:21:43 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: John B.!1 john all u need is a grille and face panel, the part the grille bolts to, from the year FSJ u want.and then bolt it in. the bodies on our Jeeps havent changed much in 3 decades. -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:34:56 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Re: FSJ Grills Mark Wallace wrote: > There are a bunch of them and they can get a little confusing. There were > three vertical slat grilles...two out of aluminum, and one out of > plastic. Then there was a sort of weird grille that was used on like 75, > and 76 wags. It has the parking lights in the grille rather than under > the headlights. Actually I don't know all this very well...but they are > all interchangable. to a point, ud have to cut the 75 76 grill(e) to make it fit on later or earlier models.. i like this type grille <BG> -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: 11 Dec 96 18:33:20 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: HEAVY DUTY ..... > >in their place...Volume knob to the right and I don't even hear them, They > >really hate it if you blast country...guess it threatens their sence of > security > >:) > > > > > >Karl Streich > >79 Chief...83 Wag Ltd > > Good idea! Although I normally listen to Mannheim Steamroller > this time of year :-) > C'ya > Joe- I listen to a little of a lot of types of music, but the country is what they hate... (Rap VS. Country= worst enemys) Karl Streich 79 Chief...83 Wag Ltd[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:41:43 -0700 From: dmatheny-at-mutoh.com Subject: RE: ken's video, spring over, over d rocks.. >the video starts out with a cj type jeep crawling over some rocks. > >next you hear this incredible roar and some wisecracks from the film takers... > >next you see ken's super coming over the rocks - produces little tinglies on >"real" FSJ owners... :) > >next ken goes over the details of the spring over... excellent technical >presentation... > >john How would I go about getting a copy? Maybe it would tell me how to solve my spring over issues. Dan - '77 J-20, 95 Grand Cherokee[Back to Top]
Date: 11 Dec 1996 16:52:51 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: '89 Grand Wagoneer On Dec 11, 5:13pm, Jack McAdams wrote: > Subject: Re: '89 Grand Wagoneer > > At 01:54 PM 12/11/96 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Drove by an '89 GW on the way to work this AM. Stopped at lunch and > >checked it out and wrote down the phone number. Basically, it's a 360 > >2-barrel, auto, 4WD, power seats, A/C, new paint (complete with sags and > >runs), 84,000 miles, looks pretty good. The guy wants $7500 for it. > >Does this seem a bit high, or do the more recent, plush models command > >these prices. There was no rust visible, but with a recent paint job, > >rust could easily be hidden, only to re-emerge later! > > > >Jeff > >'78 Cherokee > > > As a comparison - I bought my '91 in April this year. Same configuration > except original paint in good shape and 60K miles. Paid $12K in NJ > ------------ > > ------------ > Jack McAdams > The Daedalus Group > daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net > >-- End of excerpt from Jack McAdams Well I checked with Edmund's Car Buyer's guide online and it said wholesale was just under $7000 and retail was something close to $9000. For whatever reason, the GWs, which cost more new, were valued at less than the Wagoneers and Limiteds.... Jeff '78 Cherokee[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:49:51 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Re: Matt K!! phftttt! Michael Baxter wrote: > Oh come on Ken! Tell them about it and Joe or I (or any of the other hams) > will translate for'em :-) > -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:55:53 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Re: The Great Jeep Heist Michael Baxter wrote: > I don't have any performance data on the C-130 but, I'd be willing to bet you > can't go east to west against winter-time headwinds w/o stopping for fuel. Damn!! > > We would still be better off with the 727. It doesn't raise as many eyebrows > and I have the flight manuals. I'm not going to feel at home in an airplane > that has auto-throttles and color TV! ok what about rail!!! can we move the parts by rail..doc would stay on the ground and be MUCH better use to us! ;) we need a ac that is more than 80" in side? is the 72 such a beast?? > -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:00:06 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Re: funny you should mention that... john wrote: > funny you should mention both an FSJ & a Saturn, right Ken? :) traded the saturn for a 96 mini pu for 88/month!! saturn was 237/month. > > perhaps ken might be able to share a CBA & a video... :) > > (fyi- CBA - cost benefits analysis... I forget who I'm chatting with > some times.. :) for the SO lift. very cost efficent for offroading... $200-300 parts labor, terrible for on road! :( The SO lift raises the CG so that puts more leverage on the OE springs and makes the Jeep 'sway' more in the turns! > > -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 16:21:13 -0800 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Lots of questions I have a few questions about wagoneers and J trucks. What year did jeep start putting shoulder type seat belts in these rigs? When did they start puting shoulder type seat belts in the back seats of wagoneers? What was the last year jeep put Data 20 transfer cases in wagoneers? How about J trucks? What years did jeep use NP208s? What year did jeep switch to model 20 rearends in wagoneers? Did they also switch the pickups to model 20s? What year did jeep switch from tapered rear axels to flanged rear axels? (Actually, I cann't remember for sure if they ever put tapered in the FSJs, but I kinda think they did in the early years) What year did the pickups get double wall beds? What year did the tail lights change on wagoneers from the wrap style to the cherokee style? What year did the pickups change their tail light from round to kinda rectangular (or whatever you would call that shape)? Well, I guess thats about it. I'm working on a personal shopping list for my next rig. Thanks, -brad[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 16:47:35 -0800 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Re: The Great Jeep Heist Why not use regular tractor/trailer type rigs (18 wheelers). Much easier to come by and much more flexable as far as route and such. -brad[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:45:59 -0600 From: "Jeff Hess" <jhess169-at-edgerton.mn.frontiercomm.net> Subject: Re: Ok contestants, Time to play Cruise control module. (I don't know if anyone has already identified it, I still have 120 messages to read) Jeff Hess 1988 Grand Wagoneer > >Time to play name that part.. > > > >While trying to get the heater working on my 86GW (more on the heater in > >another message) I was rummaging under the dash trying to figure out what > >goes where. > >I ran into a box I know NOT what it does. The box is an orange about 5x5x1 > inch. > >Has a wire bundle terminated on an edge connector. The wire bundle is is long > >and goes up under the driver console, The BOX was found under the passenger > >dash. Inside the box is a handfull of descrete chips, resistors and caps. > >There are three openings in the box.The ones marked Low Adjust and center > >go to variable resistors(pots), The third opening says test/rest and appear > >to be a switch. At first I though it was part of an old alarm but the wire > >harness looks stock. What puzzled me is the long harness, Why put it on the > >other side of the cabin There appears to be room under the dash. > > > >Now contestants, name that part... > > > >Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com > >packet: N8EMR -at- W8CQK Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends) > >"I want to be a nonconformist, just like all my friends" > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- > >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:48:06 -0600 From: "Jeff Hess" <jhess169-at-edgerton.mn.frontiercomm.net> Subject: Re: '89 Grand Wagoneer > > > >Drove by an '89 GW on the way to work this AM. Stopped at lunch and > >checked it out and wrote down the phone number. Basically, it's a 360 > >2-barrel, auto, 4WD, power seats, A/C, new paint (complete with sags and > >runs), 84,000 miles, looks pretty good. The guy wants $7500 for it. > >Does this seem a bit high, or do the more recent, plush models command > >these prices. There was no rust visible, but with a recent paint job, > >rust could easily be hidden, only to re-emerge later! > > > >Jeff > >'78 Cherokee > > > As a comparison - I bought my '91 in April this year. Same configuration > except original paint in good shape and 60K miles. Paid $12K in NJ I have mentioned this before,but now seems appropriate to mention it again. I saw a 1990 GW with 53K for around $11,500. This was at an independent dealer in Sioux Falls, SD. It was still there last week. I paid $4800 for my 88 with 122k miles. It was repainted because of an accident it the back. It was served me well for the 6 monthes that I have had it. (I had an 83 Limited before that) Jeff Hess 1988 Grand Wagoneer.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:24:46 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: The Great Jeep Heist i don't know, it doesn't sound like as much fun, besides we got a pilot and a couple of swab jockeys... I guess we do have one truck driver now... ok, we'll consider this as plan c, remember plan b was the sub... :) john > > Why not use regular tractor/trailer type rigs (18 wheelers). Much easier to > come by and much more flexable as far as route and such. > > -brad[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: Lots of questions some of these questions might be answered in the FSJ trivia I put together, on my web page: http://www./~john/JEEP.html > > I have a few questions about wagoneers and J trucks. > > What year did jeep start putting shoulder type seat belts in these rigs? > > When did they start puting shoulder type seat belts in the back seats of > wagoneers? > > What was the last year jeep put Data 20 transfer cases in wagoneers? How > about J trucks? > > What years did jeep use NP208s? > > What year did jeep switch to model 20 rearends in wagoneers? Did they > also switch the pickups to model 20s? > > What year did jeep switch from tapered rear axels to flanged rear axels? > (Actually, I cann't remember for sure if they ever put tapered in the FSJs, > but I kinda think they did in the early years) > > What year did the pickups get double wall beds? > > What year did the tail lights change on wagoneers from the wrap style to > the cherokee style? > > What year did the pickups change their tail light from round to kinda > rectangular (or whatever you would call that shape)? > > > Well, I guess thats about it. I'm working on a personal shopping list > for my next rig. > > Thanks, > > -brad > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:05:16, -0500 From: KYFD25A-at-prodigy.com (MR GERARD J CUDMORE) Subject: Re: FSJ Grills I actually kinda like the original design from the early sixties. The square center grill and the openings next to the headlights for optional spotlights or driving lights. I took the grill off my 84 GW once to fix the headlight adjusters and found that they hadn't changed a thing on the front end from the original design. Maybe if I can find an old grill I'd like to change it out...[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:27:48 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: HEAVY DUTY ..... > I listen to a little of a lot of types of music, but the country is what they > hate... (Rap VS. Country= worst enemys) not always true... I cite examples but I gotta run... :) what is it: never say never and never say always... :) john[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:30:23 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: '85 GW tailgate wiring & CAMERA... > Hey, maybe I can hook up my connectix camera and do a broadcast for all to > see what the heck I am talking about... I can run a network drop off the hub > out there .. -:) maybe you can capture pieces of this video that Ken has for our web site... john[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:33:22 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: Snohomish - right next to Lake Wobegon... > >-- End of excerpt from john > > > Thanks for the feedback, I'm just toying with things right now. > If you make it to Houston, look me up! > That goes for ALL of ya! > Jeff > Houston Texas > (713) 937-5740 W > (281) 550-6791 H will do, you do the same... that goes for everyone else who might wander into Western Washington... john[Back to Top]
Date: 11 Dec 96 21:19:09 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Old Blue and a baby's backside.. john <john-at-> writes: >> Michael claims the same brake pedal watusy... << All me said was me brake peddle vibrates side to side on dirt roads at 40-50 MPH. On pavement it's as smooooooooth as glass. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 11-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000EMGcHGlMG4CHGB3BCBA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:29:38 -0800 From: cwkaiser-at-ix.netcom.com (William Kaiser) Subject: Re: WANTED: Drivers rear door Hi Karl I think I have the driver's side rear door from an 83 GW. I have only the shell, though, without any of the door skins etc. If you'd be interested in it, let me know. Bill Kaiser 47 Willys Concord, MA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:37:24 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Re: Mark's 81 wa-goner At 12:06 PM 12/11/96, Mark Wallace wrote: >As Richard Nixon once said "It's better to try and fail, than to fail to try" Who? Later! ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:37:30 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Re: Rust removal, body work, and paint At 12:07 AM 12/11/96, Joe Sego wrote: >> >>Some really good information on rust treatment and repair can be found >>at: http://www.eastwoodco.com/tool/articles/rust1.html >> >>-Matt >>kirkwood-at-LSIL.com > >Hey Matt, >Thanks for the cool URL. That company has some great stuff. >I want one of their parts plating kits. Can easily put the >cad finish back on auto parts. Great for restorers. > >C'ya >Joe- Hey all. I've got a copy of Eastwood's catalog. Great stuff. The tin-zinc electroplating setup seems cool, but for $70 it's a little steep. It's alot less expensive than going w/ stainless steel bolts though. I wonder if anyone out there has experience with this setup. How long do you think the plating lasts? I'd hate to go through all the work of cleaning/plating/polishing bolts and other parts only to have the plating come off after a year or so. Later! ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:37:35 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Re: FSJ Grills At 12:54 AM 12/11/96, Alan Bennett wrote: >Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney wrote: > >> No Way! >> Round Headlights Rule!. Thats why I bought the 70s wag. >> well, its as valid as any of the other excuses >> >> mick >> > >Right on mick!!!!!!!! > Early 70's front grills are >the best looking ones ever made. > >You wan't to see ugly, take a look at >the mid to late 60's ;-p > >Alan (steppin' on toes) Bennett Yeah, all but the '68s, right Alan? :=) Actually, I don't like the really old narrow grille. I mean, it's cool because it's old, but it's about as ugly as the grille off of an AMC car! DOH! ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:17:07 -0800 From: Sam Lewis <wagoneer-at-tehabi.com> Subject: Re: '85 GW tailgate wiring & CAMERA... >> Hey, maybe I can hook up my connectix camera and do a broadcast for all to >> see what the heck I am talking about... I can run a network drop off the hub >> out there .. -:) > >maybe you can capture pieces of this video that Ken has for our web site... > >john Actually, I thought Ken was sending the video to me to do the digitizing? Is it in the mail Ken? Or did you forget about me cause I've been so quiet lately? Sam Lewis '82 Wagoneer Limited San Diego, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:30:11 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Old Blue and a baby's backside..
At 09:19 PM 12/11/96 EST, Michael Baxter wrote:
>john <john-at-> writes:
> >> Michael claims the same brake pedal watusy... <<
> All me said was me brake peddle vibrates side to side on dirt roads at 40-50
>MPH. On pavement it's as smooooooooth as glass.
oh. it's not too bad, but still there, like it was before,
but the really annoying 25 to 35 is gone. it ain't smooth
as glass, but it's not like it was...
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:34:02 -0800 From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: Mark's 81 wa-goner watch out or we'll start quoting Kennedy & Johnson... remember ladybird? where were you went Watts erupted? Where were you the day Kennedy (either one) was shot? (no you're not a suspect...) At 09:37 PM 12/11/96 -0500, Jen Hen wrote: >At 12:06 PM 12/11/96, Mark Wallace wrote: >>>As Richard Nixon once said "It's better to try and fail, than to fail to try" >>Who?>>Later! >>============================================================= >Henry & Jennifer Padilla[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:51:15 -0500 From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net> Subject: Re: Full-Size Jeep Lift Mark Wallace wrote: > ...and you can also do the Steve Nordby thing and just > start adding leaves until you like the way it sits (More labor intensive, > more cost effective). This is a pretty good way to get a sag out of the > rear... Don't forget, more leaves = stiffer ride[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:51:25 -0500
From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net>
Subject: Re: SV: Edelbrock Performer stuff
Frank Alm=E5s wrote:
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> I put on an Edelbrock Performer manifold together with a 214/224 at .05=
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> lift camshaft on my 79 360 when I rebuildt it. I did modifie it slightl=
y
> but I'm very pleased with it.=20
What do you mean by slightly modifying it? I might try to "match" the
intake ports to the head ports. Is this what you mean?
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:51:41 -0500 From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net> Subject: Re: My '77[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:59:11 -0800 From: john <john-at-> Subject: rust question, the polymer, and some new stuff... What's the best way of dealing with some small rust bubbles on the quarter panel by the gas tank?? without nuking the existing paint... Not sure how Old Blue started this... possibly when he had some water in the hold... :) ------------ For other metal pieces, like out of sight, etc... Duro Extend is the stuff that converts rust to a polymer. I've used it before, good stuff, but expensive and with limited coverage... You might try buying it in large quanities at an automotive body shop supply company... --------------- AMSOIL is coming out with a new undercoating material. I learned of it in a business meeting here in Seattle last week. It sprays on clear, can be cleaned off easily with solvent and remains liquid so if it gets scratched or chipped it will flow into that area... I'll get some and try it on my Jeeps... I think the suggested retail price on this AMSOIL undercoating was about $18 a quart... The sheet they gave me says: resists and repels water, prevents rust, preserves condition of metal, rubber and plastic surfaces... Lubricates moving parts, stops squeaks and quiets vehicle noise, prevents wear, stays fluid, penetrates cracks, can be removed if needed, does not crack or chip, Dries to an amber color, does not leave an ugly black coating like asphalt based products, does not harm paint, over spray does not need to be cleaned. Under Coat can be used on exterior surfaces... If you're interested in this, like I am, let me know off the list... I think I'm going to order some and give it a whirl... They had a sample there, piece of metal, one half covered, the other not. The main office is in Superior, WI, so they know about rust... the treated half looked like new metal, the other half like something that had seen an east coast winter... This stuff really looks great. AMSOIL puts out good quality products. The thing that got me involved back in '83 was the Lifetime Air Filters, they are without a doubt the best available... K&N's just don't compare... I've had both. Cleaning a K&N is not something I'd ever want to do again... enough commercial. I figured our concern of trying to keep our FSJ's from dissolving before our eyes due to rust warranted this plug... later, john john-at-[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 00:01:09 -0500 From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net> Subject: Re: Edelbrock Performer stuff Mark Wallace wrote: > I sure have...well the manifold at least. Edelbrock Manifolds are first > class...After my experience with my Wagoneer's Edelbrock manifold I > wouldn't use anything else. A buddy used the edelbrock Carb and was less > than impressed with it. Carb rebuilds on the tailgate of a J-10 in high > winds and freezing tempartures were just a few of the stories that I > heard. I instead went with a Holley 4010 (New generation of four barrels) Will look into those. > and have been extremely happy with this carb (except that it won't open > the vaccum secondaries at high altitude very easily... sounds dangerous, foot to the floor at high altitude :) > (Engineer Pass Co...got a picture of my Jeep there on my page) My dream is to go to Colorado, and plan to do it this Summer. If you could run only two trails near Durango, what would they be? What is your page URL? > > I don't really > > like Motocraft 2bbl, but rebuilding it would be a heck of a lot cheaper. > > > It's actually not a bad design...is the throttle shaft bushing leaking? The problem with mine is a real mystery. It is intermittent. Sometimes, especially after bouncing around, it loses "mid" throttle. ie. idle= fine, full throttle = fine, but somewhere in between it acts like it is not getting fuel. (Not accelerator pump problem, this is different) Ron[Back to Top]
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