Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:31:18 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: ack!
372 messages???? Yikes... see you guys in a week, maybe, if I'm
out from under this pile by then... <grin>.
I guess the server forgot what SET FSJ-LIST DIGEST means, eh?
Man... I HATE it when that happens...
-Doc
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:38:17 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re:tailgates...
Joe's right, I forgot about his trials and tribulations....
guess you better have those barn doors made... :)
john
At 10:47 PM 12/12/96 -0500, Joe Sego wrote:
>>>> so you shouldn't have any problem swapping gates around...
>
>>> john
>>
>>Jeff
>>'78 Cherokee
>>
>I just sent an article I wrote about this to Doc for the web page.
>Be very carefull, on a Cherokee the manual gate and electric gates
>are different!! Been there, done that a month or so ago. The differences
>are in the latching mechanisms. Beware, they look the same, but.....
>they are not. It will take some serious fabrication to make it work.
>
>C'ya
>Joe-
>
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They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:56:12 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: Re: It's all your fault!
Jack, why don't you take pix and write a story about it as it goes,
and I'll put it on the official FSJ web site?
-Doc
At 04:08 PM 12/10/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Santa is going to be skippong a few of the kids' gifts this year - and
>FSJ-list is to blame!
>
>A little bit ago I asked about inputs on the Jacobs Electronics ignition.
>Well, you folks made the decision for me: Of 13 answers (outstanding!
>Thanks for taking the time) twelve were all for it and one maybe. So, I
>just called and ordered the whole shebang for the '91 GW. Now the kids get
>nothing at all. Hmmm, maybe they want that winch I've been looking at!
>
>Thanks again for the advise and taking the time to reply. I'll post a
>report after installation if anybody is interesetd.
>
>
>
>
>==================================
>
>Jack McAdams
>daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net
>'91 GW - ALMOST the last of the dinosaurs!
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:56:17 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: Re: The Great Jeep Heist
Torpex = Torpedo Exercise = Big plastic orange-nosed pseudo-topedoes
that bounce off the intended target. Normally with a nice resounding
"boing" inside the hull of said target. Hey, Joe #2... if you DO figure
out a way to sink a tug with an exercise torpedo, let me know we'll make a
million!
-Doc
>> Joe #2 tries to figure out how to hide the getaway tugthe sub should SINK
the tug with a non nuke torpex torpedo!
>
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 00:01:58 -0700 From: jnj-at-azstarnet.com (John or Jenn) Subject: Re: Performer...intake mods >>What is the advantage to this? I thought the wall was part of what made >>a dual plane manifold, and gives low-end torque. Does cutting the wall >>give high end torque at the sacrifice of low? >My idea with doing this was like this: when the primaries are open the >manifold acts like a regulare dual-plane manifold with lots of torque but >when the secondaries opens it acts more like a single plane. I have never >tried the uncut version so I don't know if it's any advantage by doing this >but it was a idea which got into my head at the time and I tends to go for >my ideas stupid or not:-) From what I recall from reading, prior to building a 'street' motor for my old Hell Camino, dual plane is the way to go for low end torque. Cutting out the...plenum?...is a high rpm improvement that, if I recollect correctly, has negative effects at low rpm. >>> The carb is mounted on a 1" spacer which is cut >>> in the same way. >>Same question, what does this do? >The spacer isolates the carb from the manifold heat and straigthens the >airflow Yes to the heat isolation, but I seem to recall that spacers were also a high rpm thing (like tunnel rams). All in all, the Performer seems to be the hot ticket for street/low rpm applications. Matching the intake to the heads is probably a good idea, if you're that motivated. (Then again, if you're going to go that far, may as well have the whole intake extrusion honed (they shove/pull some plasticy grit stuff through the casting and shine up those tunnels...way cool!) Performer and a not too big carb is probably a good solution for most street/off-road apps (based far more on reading than extensive personal experience...though I've swapped to two Performers on two different small blocks, and they both benefitted greatly from the swap)[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:04:34 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Old Blue's Brakes...
I picked up the new steel brake lines that go to the hoses...
the parts guy couldn't believe how inexpensive they were...
I ordered rebuilt front calipers & pads, a NEW master cylinder,
and new front hoses from NAPA...
so Saturday, if the weather isn't horizontal, will do the brakes
on Old Blue, at least the front half... Remember he got new
shoes last year... Shucks parts though...
Hey joe sego, you mentioned the gravity method... do you just
open up the check valves and pour? all at once or do each one
separate? Do you pump at all????
I've got the one person check valve gizmo AND I put the end in a
clean jar with brake fluid in it... theoritically either one would
work fine... I wonder if Tom still has that pressure bleeder setup...
you attach the air line to it while it's clamped on the master cylinder
and it bleeds things post haste...
later,
john
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:12:19 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: ack!
Doc,
you might want to open up another window and create a file that will
hold all your responses and bits of wisdom, kind of a doc storage device...
otherwise I'll be facing 372 messages when I check my mail in a few hours
after sleeping... :)
Thinking about it, we might need to place a self-imposed limit on the
number of messages we create and try to bunch together responses...
You know, if this list gets much bigger we should really consider forming
a newsgroup... a MODERATED newsgroup... not sure who would have the time
to moderate it...
Everything is subject to change without notice...
or better put,
the only constant is change...
welcome back doc.
(someone ought to do some stats on the number of messages generated by
who... doc has been quiet, joe has been quiet... so it's gonna be
a runoff between Ken, John & Michael... :)
I'm trying to keep messages shorter and on topic... probably not doing a
very good job of either...
later,
john
At 01:31 AM 12/13/96 -0500, Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello wrote:
> 372 messages???? Yikes... see you guys in a week, maybe, if I'm
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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john-at- http://www./~john
81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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Real freedom comes from knowing Him who made us free...
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 00:38:19 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: Edelbrock Performer stuff At 03:49 AM 12/13/96 +0100, you wrote: > > >What is the advantage to this? I thought the wall was part of what made >a dual plane manifold, and gives low-end torque. Does cutting the wall >give high end torque at the sacrifice of low? > >My idea with doing this was like this: when the primaries are open the >manifold acts like a regulare dual-plane manifold with lots of torque but >when the secondaries opens it acts more like a single plane. I have never >tried the uncut version so I don't know if it's any advantage by doing this >but it was a idea which got into my head at the time and I tends to go for >my ideas stupid or not:-) >And if I really thought that car manufactors could make a better Jeep than >me I never would have done ANYTHING to my Jeep :-))) >BTW when I was a little kid I always modified my toys, It's really a good >thing I never became a doctor. (Dr. Frankenstein and his modified monster) > >> The carb is mounted on a 1" spacer which is cut >> in the same way. > >Same question, what does this do? > >The spacer isolates the carb from the manifold heat and straigthens the >airflow > >Frank >Norway >77 Wagoneer > >Ron > Did the same thing to my street race car. You get lots of torque on the low end and horsepower on the top end. It really works, at least on my 512 inch race motor. Jim[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 02:27:09 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: Re: has anybody done one... :)
At 08:54 PM 12/10/96 -0800, you wrote:
>john gives the video four thumbs up... hey, wait,
>I only got two thumbs... :)
>
>At 04:17 PM 12/9/96 -0800, Kenneth E. Wetherall wrote:
>>ok..who needs the video?? |(
Um, would you believe, after all this time, that I, too, haven't yet
seen the video? <grin> I NEED IT!!! <grin>
-Doc
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 00:56:01 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: Glove box lid At 09:50 PM 12/12/96 -0800, you wrote: >cool. > >what I'll do is keep the best of the two as a "restore" and then >insert the cb, gauges and switches and such... I wish I had a picture >of what I did to my 67... It worked great... The glovebox is pretty >useless... you put something in it and it falls out when you open it... >When I had my hurst shifter in the 67 and the door would fall open, >I'd rack my knuckles on it going into third... :) > You gotta post a picture when your done. May want to do something similar myself. I have a center console from a 91 limited little Cherokee that I am thinking about using in my SJ. That way I can put the shifter on the floor, and move the xfer case handle up to the trans hump and not under the seat. Also gives me a center glove box. Still have to work out the details. And yes sitting and staring and thinking about modifing a FSJ is really quite fun and relaxing. Jim[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 00:57:00 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: Karl! At 09:54 PM 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote: >BINGO!!!!!!!!!!! > >DOROTHY I. STREICH wrote: >> >> I was thinking (I know, scarey thought) but anyway the idea was to use a '75 >> grill >with signals between headlichts< and modify it to accept the >> signal-below-light setup and put a small projector type lights were the signals >> were for a super clean look and extra lighting. >> >> Karl Streich >> 79 Chief, 83 Wag >> > >-- > Sincerely > > Kenneth Wetherall > kenns-at-concentric.net > > I may have to think about that one. It sounds kinda good. Jim[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:01:22 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: SV: lowrange... At 10:16 PM 12/12/96 -0800, you wrote: >>OK 2.72 it is. All I know is, with the 33's I can just about idle down the >>road. Not to good even in low range for crawling :( >>Jim > >agreed... coming down mountain trails isn't much fun... > >my little TD XJ had a great setup... 3.73's, NP207 and a 5 speed... >I could come down with engine braking in 2 or 3rd gear low range.. > >Old Blue is either screaming in 1st gear lowrange and I'm still >in white knuckle mode and tapping the brakes, or if I slip it up >into 2nd gear low range, we's flying low... even my Jimmy with the >6.2L wasn't very good, 1st gear low range was too slow, 2nd too fast... > >My 67 was pretty good too, even after I put the AT and v6 in it... > >I wonder if there is anyway of keeping full-time 4wd and my NP219, >my 2.72 gears for the highway and getting another notch in the >low range mode... > >Is there some way of putting a lower gear in the xfr case??? > >john Yes there is. All we gotta do is redesign the gears or add a second xfer case like all the toyotas and suzukis. Jim[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:03:37 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: manual vs electric rear window... At 10:21 PM 12/12/96 -0800, you wrote: > >>I agree wiith Jeff. Manual is better, because the stupid electric motor >>keeps burning out! >>>Jim > >I had a terrible experience with the manual cranks on my 67... I went >through 4 of 'em... the guy that bought the 67 put an electric in it >and no problems... > >Old Blue's electric window only messed up once, when the weatherstripping >got messed up... Of course I use it gingerly because of past experiences >with that tailgate... > >Even my 77 electric window worked fine... my 69 had a manual, but it >didn't work... > >But remember, these were ALL on FOUR DOOR Jeeps... :) > >john See, that is why 2 doors are better. They like manual windows. Those 4door models only like that cushy power everything deal. Jim 79/83 Cherokee (2 Doors no electric, not even a rear defroster!)[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:07:47 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: Performer...intake mods At 12:01 AM 12/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >>>What is the advantage to this? I thought the wall was part of what made >>>a dual plane manifold, and gives low-end torque. Does cutting the wall >>>give high end torque at the sacrifice of low? >>My idea with doing this was like this: when the primaries are open the >>manifold acts like a regulare dual-plane manifold with lots of torque but >>when the secondaries opens it acts more like a single plane. I have never >>tried the uncut version so I don't know if it's any advantage by doing this >>but it was a idea which got into my head at the time and I tends to go for >>my ideas stupid or not:-) > >>From what I recall from reading, prior to building a 'street' motor for my >old Hell Camino, dual plane is the way to go for low end torque. Cutting >out the...plenum?...is a high rpm improvement that, if I recollect >correctly, has >negative effects at low rpm. > >>>> The carb is mounted on a 1" spacer which is cut >>>> in the same way. >>>Same question, what does this do? >>The spacer isolates the carb from the manifold heat and straigthens the >>airflow > >Yes to the heat isolation, but I seem to recall that spacers were also a >high rpm thing (like tunnel rams). All in all, the Performer seems to be >the hot ticket for street/low rpm applications. Matching the intake to the >heads is probably a good idea, if you're that motivated. (Then again, >if you're going to go that far, may as well have the whole intake extrusion >honed (they shove/pull some plasticy grit stuff through the casting and >shine up those tunnels...way cool!) > >Performer and a not too big carb is probably a good solution for most >street/off-road apps (based far more on reading than extensive personal >experience...though I've swapped to two Performers on two different small >blocks, and they both benefitted greatly from the swap) > When I get my 79/83 running again I think I will try a performer manifold along with the predator carb I just picked up. They say it works preatty good off road. Any thoughts? Jim[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 96 03:36:58 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: wish list: 1413 Panel '63-'68 john <john-at-> writes: >> Michael & Ken, do you know where that one ended up? << It might just be sitting right where we last saw it? I'll have to drive by and check next time I visit the domestic dispute capital of the US. It was pretty bad John since it had a fire inside. The body was pretty good rust wise (yes...floorboards) but, it had a ton of bondo. The heat from the fire did not seem to have warped anything. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 12-Dec-1996[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 96 03:36:53 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: SV: lowrange... john <john-at-> writes: >> Michael, what did we determine the optimum rpm for these things for the 55 to 60mph range? << For the 360s made from circa '72 to '91, it's either 1800-1900 RPM or 2500-2600 RPM. And that's cruise RPM whatever that speed happens to be in you area. The stock 360 actually has a dip in the torque curve between those two RPMs. Never seen anything like it. After seeing the curve, I thought about it and it really is there. As an example, I have a 8% grade to climb on the ring road to get home. If I drive up the hill at 50 MPH it takes about 3/4 throttle. If I drive 55 MPH, it takes about 1/2 throttle. But, if I drive 60 MPH it only takes about 1/4. Of course, I did these climbs in the interest of testing. Most of the time I just floor it and go 80 :-) -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 12-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000AMGcHGlHI7E1272[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 96 03:37:04 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Full-Size Jeep Lift Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net> writes: >> I agree that lots of thin leaves will produce a nicer ride than a few thick ones << Okay now...I know nothing about leaf springs but, I have to throw this red juicy tidbit into the pit :-) Ron, this is not aimed at you personally. If you put a bunch of thin leaves together in a spring pack, don't you increase the friction between the leaves? It would seem the more leaves the more friction and the stiffer the pack? But, I know that the HD springs on FSJs are just two leaves. I'm confused...somebody educate me please :-) -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 12-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000EMG]HGfMG5FHHC8D2D8[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 96 03:37:16 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: questions.... Widetrac80-at-aol.com writes: >> Any benefit from using a pre-oiler? << Ummmm...tough question. Pressurizing the oil system before you turn over the engine will reduce wear. But, those pre-lube systems are expensive. Will it save you $400 over the life of an engine? I don't know. If you plan on driving your FSJ over 20 years and through several engines, it might pay off? >> My rbuilt 360 (20,000 ago) was put back together with no EGR, welded it shut, am I hurting anything with this set up? << IMO, you should leave the EGR system on an engine. That's the general consensus in the hot rod world today. EGR doesn't hurt performance when it is hooked-up correctly and all the components are working. It is only active in part-throttle cruise. When you want to go fast, the EGR system closes the EGR valve. EGR will reduce combustion temperatures something like 2,000 degrees F. If you are getting detonation and your EGR system is disabled, getting it working again will probably solve the problem. Lean mixtures reduce emissions. All engines since the early 70s are lean for this purpose. They found out that recirculating exhaust back into the combustion chambers diluted the mixture but had no effect on the air/fuel ratio. This made it possible to run a leaner mixture w/o detonation because of the cooler combustion temps. In fact, some claim that EGR actually increases performance because of more dense air provided by the cooler temps. It's expensive to keep-up. I have had to buy and new EGR valve and a CTO switch over the last 10 years. The valve was $70. The vacuum part of the EGR is very simple. The source is the EGR port in your carb. The line runs to a CTO switch that is most likely on the front passenger side of the intake manifold. The CTO switch doesn't allow the vacuum signal to pass until the coolant has reached a certain temp. (my '79 is 115 degrees). From the switch, the vacuum line goes direct to the EGR valve as long as it is the integral back pressure kind. Some have the back pressure sensor separate. I've seen both kinds on FSJs That's all there is to the system. Two vacuum lines, a vacuum switch, and the EGR valve. It's easy to check the system out using a hand-held pistol type vacuum pump. If you don't have a pump, start the engine cold. Stick you fingers through the vent holes in the bottom of the EGR valve until you can feel the diaphragm and rev the engine to 2000 or so RPM. The diaphragm shouldn't move. Wait for the engine to warm-up to operating temp. and stick you fingers back in and rev the engine. This time the diaphragm should move. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 13-Dec-1996[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 96 03:37:22 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: here we go again... <bg> Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net> writes: >> pen front door, fold seat forward, place briefcase inside, fold seat back, get in. I rest my case, two doors RULE as briefcase carrying rides! << Ahh..two doors, four doors...it doesn't make any difference. I just open up whatever door I'm going to get in and the fling it over onto the back seat :-). BTW, the sub-group I was talking about was the 5-10 people on the list that are trying to make their FSJs as good or better than new. Essentially Resto/Custom. Ron, again...I wasn't addressing you personally. Your name/address just happens to be convenient. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 13-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000AMG]HGfHHEED51A[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 96 03:37:28 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: RON COLORADO Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net> wonders if I'm picking on him tonight: The Plan with the big List is to Celebrate the > 40th anneversary of the SJ in 2002...probably August. << Yea, know....we could say 1963 was the 1st model year (which it was) and say 1998 would be the 35th birthday of the FSJ design (which it would be) and then we could all meet 4 years sooner. Don't ask why I waited so long to throw a CURVE. It's one of those nights. CIS tells me I have 13 messages but, it won't let me get'em. All I could get out of the stinking mail server was this digest and it wasn't complete which means I'm going to get it again whether I like it or not. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 13-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000DMG]HG}MG8AHINEFF8[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 03:50:10 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: Re: The Great Jeep Heist
At 02:59 PM 12/11/96 EST, you wrote:
>"Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> writes:
> Plus, Doc's fear of flying is most likely based in the fear of not being in
>control. We can fix that...we'll let him fly :-).
That's it exactly!!!
> I said it in e-mail on this subject: 85% of being able to fly any large
>airplane is getting the engines started. After that it's easy but, don't tell
>any airline pilots that what you know. They want you to believe it takes super
>human skills to fly large aircraft. They're big, extremely stable, go were you
>point them reliable machines. The airlines couldn't make money if they were
>anything else.
Sailplanes are harder than big 'uns.
-Doc
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 03:50:46 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: Re: The Great Jeep Heist
if plan B was the sub, then plan C was the train instead of the
plane, so a truck or trucks would be plan D, right?
Hey, if I get to drive the plane, then I can go for that.... hey,
any chance of getting hold of an old DC-3 or something, so I can barf out
the window?
Fortunately, I actually experience NO motion sickness at all... I
just always wanted to do that...
-Doc
At 05:24 PM 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote:
>i don't know, it doesn't sound like as much fun, besides
>we got a pilot and a couple of swab jockeys... I guess we do have
>one truck driver now...
>
>ok, we'll consider this as plan c, remember plan b was the sub... :)
>
>john
>
>>
>> Why not use regular tractor/trailer type rigs (18 wheelers). Much easier to
>> come by and much more flexable as far as route and such.
>>
>> -brad
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 03:50:54 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions
Funny thing you should bring this up, landen... after all the
discussion we had last week about the similarities between the 4.0 and the
4.2, I just remembered my friend the Jeep engineer telling me that the 4.0
block won't handle the longer stroke of the 4.2, which is why you use a 4.2
block and 4.0 head and pistons (the 4.2 will handle the larger bore, no
problem) for the bigger motors.
-Doc
At 07:48 PM 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote:
>bks-at-co.intel.com wrote:
>>
>> I thought I read somewhere recently (maybe on this list??) that you can
>> stroke a 4.0L with a 258 crank and rods. Did I imagine this? If it is
>> true, does anybody know offhand what the resulting displancement is?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -brad
>>
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>
>Well, here are my wishful thinking figures..............
>
>
> Stock 242 3.88 X 3.413 = 242 ci.
> stock 258 3.75 X 3.895 = 258 ci.
> 242 block w/258 crank 3.88 X 3.895 = 276 ci.
>242 block .030 over w/258 crank 3.91 X 3.895 = 280.6 ci.
>242 block .030 over w/258 crank
>w/.25 welded offset stroker 3.91 X 4.145 = 298.6 ci.
> Now I don't know if there is enough room for a .25 inch stroker
>in a 242 block.
>But it looks good on paper. Oh yes, custom pistons. ($$$$$)
>
>Landen Schooler
>1996 Cherokee Sport w/ UpCounty
>(The intended victim)
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 03:50:50 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: Re: Old Blue and a baby's backside..
me whole truck vibrates side to side on dirt roads at 40-50 MPH. So
who cares about the brake pedal? Hell, it could be steady as a rock, but
just look like it's vibrating 'cause the driver's rattling around!
-Doc
At 09:19 PM 12/11/96 EST, you wrote:
>john <john-at-> writes:
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> All me said was me brake peddle vibrates side to side on dirt roads at 40-50
>MPH. On pavement it's as smooooooooth as glass.
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 03:50:58 -0500
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-nebula.ispace.com>
Subject: Re: Full-Size Jeep Lift
At 11:51 PM 12/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Mark Wallace wrote:
>Don't forget, more leaves = stiffer ride
Actually, more thinner leaves make for smoother ride. Thicker
leaves make for stiffer ride. But you're absolutely right... more leaves
of the same thickness make for a MUCH stiffer ride.
-Doc
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:16:09 -0600 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: URGENT! Need J10 Advice by 1100 CST Hello all, Well, after a year and a half of trying, I sold my Mazda Protege yesterday. Whew! Nothing against Mazdas, I just want a truck. Just so happens, there is a '79 J10 for sale just down the road. I haven't seen it yet but I am going to meet with the guy at 1200, leaving here at 1100. He's asking $3800 but will take $3500. Has AT/PS/PB/AC (compressor down), Quadra-Trac, V8 (what else?), he says no rust, 84K original miles, he says 85% Goodyear GSA's, WARN 8274 (8000#) winch and bumper. Was wondering, is this a decent price for such an animal if the description I have given is correct? Also, when I go to look, where are the J10 trouble spots. I am no tyro to cars, but there are always quirks about individual models which are nice to know about *before* you make an offer and buy the thing. Where does rust like to hide? What suspension components are about to fail without you knowing it? What about the AMC360 trouble spots? What about the Quadra-Trac trouble spots? This guy says it has Dana44's front and rear? I thought the rear would be an AMC20. Any info that can be forwarded before 1100 would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. John Brewer P.S. A '79 J10 would go great next to my '89 GW. Who cares what the neighbors think. "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:19:31 -0700 From: trust-at-lanl.gov (Terry Rust) Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions >bks-at-co.intel.com wrote: >> >> I thought I read somewhere recently (maybe on this list??) that you can >> stroke a 4.0L with a 258 crank and rods. Did I imagine this? If it is >> true, does anybody know offhand what the resulting displancement is? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -brad >> Clifford and/or HESCO have a multistage buildup of the AMC sixes, I'm not sure all of the details beyond the use of the 4.0L MPI. I do know that the MPI will not currently allow full use of the engines potential, several outfits are working to develop the electronics to reprogram the FI to allow for max potential out of the motor. My club's pres has his XJ Cherokee at Clifford right now getting one of the intermediate stage motors built and installed, 325 ft-lbs of torque, and they have JET working on a reprogram of the FI. I think it'll end costing him $7-8k for the motor and stuff. Terry Rust trust-at-lanl.gov ESH-5/CST-18 (505) 665-8843[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:37:02 -0700 From: trust-at-lanl.gov (Terry Rust) Subject: Re: URGENT! Need J10 Advice by 1100 CST >Hello all, > >Well, after a year and a half of trying, I sold my Mazda Protege yesterday. >Whew! Nothing against Mazdas, I just want a truck. Just so happens, >there is a '79 J10 for sale just down the road. I haven't seen it yet but >I am going to meet with the guy at 1200, leaving here at 1100. He's asking >$3800 but will take $3500. Has AT/PS/PB/AC (compressor down), Quadra-Trac, >V8 (what else?), he says no rust, 84K original miles, he says 85% Goodyear >GSA's, WARN 8274 (8000#) winch and bumper. Was wondering, is this a decent >price for such an animal if the description I have given is correct? Seems decent to me if his description is close, my 78 is similar and I'ld want at least that if I could find someone to buy it. Long bed or short? > >Also, when I go to look, where are the J10 trouble spots. I am no tyro to >cars, but there are always quirks about individual models which are nice to >know about *before* you make an offer and buy the thing. Where does rust >like to hide? What suspension components are about to fail without you >knowing it? What about the AMC360 trouble spots? What about the >Quadra-Trac trouble spots? This guy says it has Dana44's front and rear? >I thought the rear would be an AMC20. > The 360 is solid, they often make some lifter noise and many develop oil leaks The tranny is a gm turbo 400 The QT may need a chain, note how it acts as you steer, especially around corners, if there is a lot of bucking and balking the case may need work, or it could be in emergency drive, I discovered the transmission guys hooked my vacuum switch up wrong and I was motoring around in ED all the time, took a large parking lot to turn around. Rust starts (at least on mine) at the back of the bed, in the horizontal seem between the end of the bed and the wheel well, also below the tail lights. Axels would indeed be Dana 44s, verify by diff shape, round = AMC Check the ratio tags on the diffs, mine has 4.09s from the factory, these should also indicate L/s Check the QT for Low range, (switch on tranny tunnel under drivers seat) >Any info that can be forwarded before 1100 would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks. > >John Brewer > >P.S. A '79 J10 would go great next to my '89 GW. Who cares what the >neighbors think. > Good luck, keep us posted and if it doesn't work out, I know of a LB 79 and a SB 78 for sale, a little more $ but solid trucks.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:52:06 -0800
From: aholley-at-jps.net (Aaron Holley)
Subject: Jeep-l questions
I am posting this from the Jeep-L list. Maybe someone can contact this guy
and give him some help. Contact him directly please. TIA. Aaron.
From: Michael Garner <mlgarner-at-netins.net>
To: JEEP-L-at-knuth.mtsu.edu
Subject: FSJ Help needed
Message-ID: <199612130058.SAA26316-at-ins6.netins.net>
Hi All,
Are there any FSJ listers still on this list? If so, I need some
help clerifying some parts. I am trying to swap a SB Ford/T-18 into my CJ
and am haveing trouble finding the mainshaft I need. I have been told that
'80 and up J20's could have T-18's mated to a 208 tcase. I also have been
told, by many, that this trans had a 10-10-23 spline mainshaft. My problem
is I can not find anyone who has a listing for it. My questions are: Does
this mainshaft actually exist? Do I have the right years? Thank-you
to anyone who can be of help.
<mlgarner-at-netins.net>
Mike Garner
1980 CJ5
258,176,300,44(EZlocked)&30,33's
2" rearched springs, .5" shackel lift
Onboard Air
YJ nose
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:01:59 -0500 From: Doug Marschka <moosh-at-redrose.net> Subject: Che'rot'kee is dead. Advice please! Comfirmed my suspicions the other night. The che'rot'kee spun at least two rod bearings and chewed up all the mains. A piston or two is stuck too. What a pain in the ass. I called the people I bought the engine in the truck from, and they said a rebuilt 360 with a cam upgrade would be $1095. I called the race shop in town and ordered an edelbrock performer, a holley 600, and black jack (dynomax) headers. So after I'm done, I'll have two identical engines. The only problem is, how am I going to hook up the throttle kick down between the new holley and the slush box? I'm going to get the tranny rebuilt while everythings apart. Any suggestions of torque converters or shift kits? Has anyone gone to a floor shift rather than column? Have to start pulling all the extra's off the old motor and get it ready for the new one. Thanks in advance. Zack Heisey '79 J-10 '79 Che'rot'kee Chief Wide Track (DEAD)[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 1996 08:03:18 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: questions.... On Dec 12, 7:35pm, Widetrac80-at-aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: questions.... > > Jgunn, keep in mind, zero checks for emissions here on inspection! > >-- End of excerpt from Widetrac80-at-aol.com OK, that does it....I AM moving!<g> Jeff Gunn '78 Cherokee Houston, Texas Land of Tailpipe Sniffing[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 1996 08:10:00 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: SV: re fsj years On Dec 12, 9:47pm, Joe Sego wrote: > Subject: Re: SV: re fsj years > > I just sent an article I wrote about this to Doc for the web page. > Be very carefull, on a Cherokee the manual gate and electric gates > are different!! Been there, done that a month or so ago. The differences > are in the latching mechanisms. Beware, they look the same, but..... > they