Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:11:03 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: Re: SV: say what???? how many degrees...??? Ill try to retard the timing a few dgrees first, if it persist Ill put all the expensive stuff back on, Some one before me took all of the emissions stuff off, The oxy injection ports on the exhaust manifold are crimped shut...I just played with vacuum lines until it idled smooth and pulled good, its been running like that for years :)[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:13:49 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: Re: questions.... Arkansas! they rarely even check for a working Horn![Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:16:30 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: which fsj won your wife's heart???? mine has taken a shine to my little wagoneer... she still doesn't mind Old Blue either... when my daughter goes off to college I'm hoping she'll take the buick... becky will take the little wag, and I'll have Old Blue... gotta get working on him... only 1 1/2 years to go before he's my prime set of wheels... later, john > > My 1980 Cherokee Cheif Wide trac, is my wifes daily drive...she loves it! > doesnt have to worry about traffic much either! > > Now if i could only teach her to work on the darn thing![Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:53:17 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: bureaucraps... > > Arkansas! they rarely even check for a working Horn! here in Washington state... they check nothing here except the vin and the title when you "import" a vehicle... then they charge you $12 to attempt an enema on your vehicle... even Diesels... they keep expanding the testing region... at least we dropped off the reformuated gas list... :) I'm not kidding when I say that Georgia had better roads, and a better vehicle inspection program... john Snohomish - an old Indian word meaning bad roads with no shoulders... :)[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:07:22 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: Back on the list! Hey all, I'm back on the list now after getting the family moved from Salem, OR to Tucson, AZ. And just in time too, I heard that Portland, OR got 8 inches of rain in a day recently! My '78 Wag did great pulling our Honda Accord, averaged 9.4 mph, not too bad. After the first of the year we will be moved into our just purchased house and I will continue to replace the vacuum hoses and re-build the carb (Motorcraft 4350). I've got a little story to convey to you all from my road trip: I was travelling down CA hwy 95 from Needles to Blythe around 8 pm. I came around a corner and lo and behold there were 4 semi headlights directly in front of me! It took me half a second to realize that I wasn't imagining things and that one semi was passing the other semi and they were neck and neck to boot. All I had time for was to swerve onto the gravel shoulder and back on to the road. I could not believe that I didn't bite it once I hit the gravel, but was able to farily easily get back on to the road (I know I was doing 50 at the time, and I'm sure the semis were doing at least the same). I also couldn't believe that the Honda in tow didn't take me out into the desert once it whipped around the back on the tow dolley. All I can say is thank God for my Wag's 5000 lbs. of stability and my BFG AT's for keeping me on track. After that little incident I'm feeling like FSJ's are invincible! Well, so much for blabbering on, its good to be back in the sunshine and back on the list. c-ya, Whit. Steve Whitney, '78 Wag (that won't put up with being run off the road!) Tucson, AZ swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:28:15 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: bureaucraps... At 01:53 PM 12/13/96 -0800, you wrote: >> >> Arkansas! they rarely even check for a working Horn! > >here in Washington state... > >they check nothing here except the vin and the title when you "import" a vehicle... > >then they charge you $12 to attempt an enema on your vehicle... even Diesels... > >they keep expanding the testing region... at least we dropped off the reformuated gas list... :) > >I'm not kidding when I say that Georgia had better roads, and a better vehicle inspection program... > >john >Snohomish - an old Indian word meaning bad roads with no shoulders... > >:) > John, Is that all the inspection is? My wife and I want to move to the Seattle area (we love it there), actually Vashon Islandis what she likes the most. Anyway, we heard horror stories about the smog inspections up there. Even in CA we dont have the trouble we heard about up there.Heard they want to charge $500.00 per vehicle to "import" from other states, inspection every year, etc. What is the real skinny on this? Jim[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:26:16 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Re: manual vs electric rear window... I GOT MANUAL EVERYTHING!! well, most everything. phfttt! Jim Sterling wrote: > See, that is why 2 doors are better. They like manual windows. Those 4door > models only like that cushy power everything deal. > > Jim > 79/83 Cherokee (2 Doors no electric, not even a rear defroster!) -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:30:29 -0600 From: Matt Kirkwood <kirkwood-at-lsil.com> Subject: Re: Back on the list! Steve Whitney wrote: > My '78 Wag did great pulling our Honda Accord, averaged 9.4 mph, not too bad. > After the first of the year we will be moved into our just purchased house and I > will continue to replace the vacuum hoses and re-build the carb (Motorcraft 4350). Wow, maybe I'll have to rethink my plans to purchase a FSJ. Everybody seems to be rebuilding carbs and now I learn that the don't even go 10 miles per hour!!! <big grin. glad the day is almost over> -Matt kirkwood-at-LSIL.com[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:38:31 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Zack!!! if u got a 79, then u got a th400 AT, if u got that then the kick down is electrical, NOT mechanical!! Doug Marschka wrote: > > Comfirmed my suspicions the other night. The che'rot'kee spun at least > two rod bearings and chewed up all the mains. A piston or two is stuck > too. What a pain in the ass. I called the people I bought the engine > in the truck from, and they said a rebuilt 360 with a cam upgrade would > be $1095. I called the race shop in town and ordered an edelbrock > performer, a holley 600, and black jack (dynomax) headers. So after I'm > done, I'll have two identical engines. The only problem is, how am I > going to hook up the throttle kick down between the new holley and the > slush box? I'm going to get the tranny rebuilt while everythings > apart. Any suggestions of torque converters or shift kits? Has anyone > gone to a floor shift rather than column? Have to start pulling all the > extra's off the old motor and get it ready for the new one. Thanks in > advance. -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:45:36 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: URGENT! Need J10 Advice by 1100 CST >there is a '79 J10 for sale just down the road. I haven't seen it yet but >I am going to meet with the guy at 1200, leaving here at 1100. He's asking >$3800 but will take $3500. Has AT/PS/PB/AC (compressor down), Quadra-Trac, >V8 (what else?), he says no rust, 84K original miles, he says 85% Goodyear >GSA's, WARN 8274 (8000#) winch and bumper. Was wondering, is this a decent >price for such an animal if the description I have given is correct? That's high for this part of the country (Indiana) but fsj's were never popular here. I bought a 78 J-10 here in 1988 with a $2100 snow plow on it for $2200. The truck was only 10 years old. > >Also, when I go to look, where are the J10 trouble spots. I am no tyro to >cars, but there are always quirks about individual models which are nice to >know about *before* you make an offer and buy the thing. Where does rust >like to hide? What suspension components are about to fail without you >knowing it? What about the AMC360 trouble spots? What about the >Quadra-Trac trouble spots? This guy says it has Dana44's front and rear? >I thought the rear would be an AMC20. > >Any info that can be forwarded before 1100 would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks. Rust is; floorboards, inside doors, rockers, the bed went first on mine, then the floorboards. My bed has 12" holes it now, *many* of them too! Now the gas tank leaks from rust, that was last straw! Never a suspension problem. Normal 360 problems, fuel pump, carb, timing chain, the remainder of the drive train is good, never a QT, or tranny problem. My j-10 seemed to be hard on front tires. Oh I replaced the power steering pump several times along with the alternator, I attribute this to the extra weight from the snow plow and it's associated electronics. Let us know what you do. C'ya Joe- >John Brewer > >P.S. A '79 J10 would go great next to my '89 GW. Who cares what the >neighbors think. > > >"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." > Benjamin Franklin > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:49:29 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Frank!! sm 465 weighs 150lbs, or 68 kilos!!! -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:52:20 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: John M. phftttfhftfhtff |(! john wrote: > in fact, they still carry > almost all of his parts at the Jeep dealer... :) <very large smile here> > -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:46:56 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: bureaucraps... huh???? > > >then they charge you $12 to attempt an enema on your vehicle... even Diesels... > >they keep expanding the testing region... at least we dropped off the > reformuated gas list... :) > >john > >Snohomish - an old Indian word meaning bad roads with no shoulders... > > > John, > Is that all the inspection is? My wife and I want to move to the Seattle > area (we love it there), actually Vashon Islandis what she likes the most. > Anyway, we heard horror stories about the smog inspections up there. Even in > CA we dont have the trouble we heard about up there.Heard they want to > charge $500.00 per vehicle to "import" from other states, inspection every > year, etc. What is the real skinny on this? > Jim there was talk of doing that new testing method that emulates driving, can't remember what it was, but they basically backed off of that, as well as visual inspections. They screwed around with too many of us that were mechanics... One friend had all the emissions stuff on his rig, just not where their little computer screen said it should be... turns out he was well known by the "officials" throughout the area, as he'd been a motorcycle dealer in Seattle since the internal combustion engine had been developed.. :) and he couldn't make the minimum wage flunky taking the test understand that it was there, so he kinda went ballistic and contacted some friends... I think the next year they quit doing under the hood inspections... Just the tailpipe thing on the rollers.. They backed off of the reformuated gas too because of the improvement in air quality. What really helped was the burn bans in the winter... I used to drive around with a respirator on so I could breath, I'm allergic to alder... alders are a naitve weed here in western washington... they will grow 15 feet easily in a year or two... seriously... y'all in the midwest would love these things... insta-tree... they are slightly better than cottonwoods... but that's another story... Vashon Island is a high rent district, isn't it? All the bigwigs from Seattle ferry over there to their large spreads... one guy is hassling the locals because he flies in and out in his own helicopter, and we're not talking a little bubble canopy type... 8 passenger or larger type... I know nothing of any import fee. You do have to take it to the state police to be inspected, that's the vin/title thing. $55 bucks, just did one less than 2 yrs ago... that's how I found out about the Diesel / what it looks like is what it's licensed as deal... Emmissions runs $12. Once every two years, odd years, odd year vehicles... buyer has to have it inspected if it hasn't been in 6 months.. The thing the that gets me is the way they test 4wd's and Diesels... the Diesel thing worries me, you FLOOR your DIESEL until the screen says to drop back to an idle, you do it three times... Fortunately, they've always let me do it... scares the innards outta me... I've yet to hold it the whole time or actually floor it... the MORONS... first thing you learn in school, NEVER rev a Diesel motor without a load... the valves and the pistons could rendevouz... and I know the scum wouldn't even think about paying for it if it broke... 4wd's get to rev their engines to about 2200rpm and hold it until the tv screen says to return to an idle... I'd like to see them run if I did a neutral drop with Old Blue at that rpm... those chocks would sail neatly out the back and I'd probably take out the little cubicle walls on either side as I exited out the other door smoking sideways..... :) ahhhh, daydreams... if there is ever a revolution, I won't be hard to find... just look for me around the rubble of your nearest emissions testing station... :) (yeah right, like I'd screw around there... I'll be in the mountains before the folks in the city get to the freeway... :) later, john[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:49:36 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: Back on the list! - sunshine? welcome back steve, glad you survived the drive... btw, what's sunshine? john[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:57:13 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Mike B.!! top of the mark Mike ;)!! Michael Baxter wrote: > > > Doug your TH-400s should not have kick-down linkage between the carb. and the > tranny. All the FSJs I've seen, so equipped, have a kickdown switch above the > accl. peddle inside the cab. > > For the best gas mileage and off-road performance you want a low-stall RV/Gas > mileage type converter. A moderate high stall will help performance on the > street but, the others mentioned earlier will suffer. Especially engine > braking when descending a hill. The lower the converters stall speed the more > engine braking you'll have. -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:14:12 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: Old Blue's Brakes... > >Hey joe sego, you mentioned the gravity method... do you just >open up the check valves and pour? all at once or do each one >separate? Do you pump at all???? > Very simple procedure. I'd just do the fronts since you aren't bothering the rears. Open up the bleeder the farthest away (RF) and let it run into a bottle or?? Make sure and keep master cylinder full. This is *not* the quickest way, but, when finished you will have ZERO air. No need to pump up the brakes, no motorized vacuum pumps etc, all of these methods will induce air into to system. Also make sure oyu do not shake up the bottle of brake fluid, those bubbles become trapped air later on. Let it run at each caliper untill it runs clear, I usually do this while doing other service. I usually let the bleeder go for an hour or so. C'ya Joe- ps; I've done this many times on my Vette and it has 8 bleeder valves! 2 per caliper, times 4 calipers.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:48:49 -0800 From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-telis.org> Subject: Re: SV: tail motor party!! At 06:14 PM 12/13/96 +0100, you wrote: > > >---------- >> Fra: Kenneth E. Wetherall <kenns-at-concentric.net> >> Til: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> >> Emne: tail motor party!! >> Dato: 12. desember 1996 06:41 >> >> hmmm i still got the same elec motor in my tailgate since Mr >> kaiser n co put it there in 67!! >> >You just beet me by ten years. I don't see how the motores could burn up on >my 77 there is a circuit breaker which stop the motor long before it even >gets warm Actually when I got my 75 wag the motor was seized. That was my first project. I agree, though, the motors are pretty good. It may be the switches that are causing trouble. mick[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:06:34 -0800
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-telis.org>
Subject: Re: Back on the list!
At 03:07 PM 12/13/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>I'm back on the list now after getting the family moved from Salem, OR to
Tucson,
>AZ. And just in time too, I heard that Portland, OR got 8 inches of rain in a
>day recently!
>
>My '78 Wag did great pulling our Honda Accord, averaged 9.4 mph, not too bad.
Holy Cow Steve, at 9.8 mph no wonder you were gone so long! (g)
>After the first of the year we will be moved into our just purchased house
and I
>will continue to replace the vacuum hoses and re-build the carb (Motorcraft
4350).
I just bought a kit at pep boys. The great operation commences this
sunday. The wag will be sedated with a half gallon of carb cleaner. (So will
I by the time I've finished.) If I don't screw it up too badly I'll tell you
how it went.
Good luck in your new home
mick
[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:57:52 -0700 (MST)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: FSJ pics
Hey Guys,
I was just cruisin' the web here at work and found some pics of an FSJ.
http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/gallery.html
Brian
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| | Red Rock 4Wheelers Moab Ut |
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| '79 Jeep Cherokee Sport: AMC 360, T18, Dana20, Dana 44s |
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:26:05 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: FSJ pics cool site... thnx john > I was just cruisin' the web here at work and found some pics of an FSJ. > http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/gallery.html > Brian[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 96 19:47:50 EST
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: SV: SV: lowrange...
"=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Alm=E5s?=" <falmaas-at-online.no> writes:
>> (Let's see TH400 first 2,48 x SM465 first 6,75 x QT lowrange 2,54 x diff
ratio 3,78 = 160:1 crawl ratio!! Think I'll try that one-) <<
Hey Frank, how about a SM-420 instead. It's shorter than a 465 and it has a
7.06 1st.
Of course, you'll have to warn your passengers in the back seat to leave the
gear shift alone. Plus, valets/mechanics are going to get in and push in the
clutch and try to operate the column sifter for the auto like a 3 on the tree.
-- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
From Reno, NV USA on 13-Dec-1996
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[Back to Top]Date: 13 Dec 96 19:47:55 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: say what???? how many degrees...??? john <john-at-> writes: >> this sounds a little extreme... are you sure? 2,000 degrees??? And this is with aluminum pistons??? what was the melting point of aluminum again? How about steel? << Oops...I was wrong. 2,300 degrees :-). Page 149 in the Jeep Owner's Bible by Moses Ludel. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 13-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000AMGcHGlHGF98D00[Back to Top]
Date: 13 Dec 96 19:48:00 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: which FSJ did your wife love???? "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> writes: >> Of course, that's the stuff that will be hardest to reproduce when as I restore the beast! << Jeff, if yours are the white ones; I have 7/8 of a new set. I'm still looking for the left front fender. I plan on taking them to a graphics shop and having them reproduced onto modern 3M vinyl. There are 3 or 4 on the list that want to know when I do this so they can get a repro. also. I'll post here when the time comes. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 13-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000AMGgHGpHH74CBE8[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:55:39 -0500 From: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com> Subject: Re: Back on the list! Welcome to the carb/vacuum club... Got my 86GW in the garage now. Was able to get the carb (carter bbd) off but found some vacuum lines in bad shape AND the carburetor wiring harness was melted to the motor. Was able to get the wires spliced and installed a new cable race before running out of time. Tomorrow will tackle the vacuum lines and maybe sunday get the carb back on the wag. Many thanks to all who gave me encouragement to give the carb swap a try and hints and getting it done correctly. At 03:06 PM 12/13/96 -0800, Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney wrote: >At 03:07 PM 12/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >>Hey all, >> >>I'm back on the list now after getting the family moved from Salem, OR to >Tucson, >>AZ. And just in time too, I heard that Portland, OR got 8 inches of rain in a >>day recently! >> >>My '78 Wag did great pulling our Honda Accord, averaged 9.4 mph, not too bad. > > Holy Cow Steve, at 9.8 mph no wonder you were gone so long! (g) > >>After the first of the year we will be moved into our just purchased house >and I >>will continue to replace the vacuum hoses and re-build the carb (Motorcraft >4350). > > I just bought a kit at pep boys. The great operation commences this >sunday. The wag will be sedated with a half gallon of carb cleaner. (So will >I by the time I've finished.) If I don't screw it up too badly I'll tell you >how it went. > Good luck in your new home > > mick > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com packet: N8EMR -at- W8CQK Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends) "I want to be a nonconformist, just like all my friends"[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:31:00 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: Re: which FSJ did your wife love???? I assume Mr. Baxter, that you are talking about Jeep Decals?, if so id be interested, my wifes one complaint about my planned body work/paint, i wasnt going to buy decals from the dealer, but If there is another way, She would really like to have them on HER truck![Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:17:54 -0500 From: Jack McAdams <daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net> Subject: Re: bureaucraps... At 03:28 PM 12/13/96 -0800, you wrote: >At 01:53 PM 12/13/96 -0800, you wrote: >>> >>> Arkansas! they rarely even check for a working Horn! >> >>here in Washington state... >> >>they check nothing here except the vin and the title when you "import" a >vehicle... > Man, are you folks screwed up! Here in New Jeresy we do our inspections by mail. All you need is a cousin that works for the state or an 'approved' service station. Nah, there's no corruption here! ================================== Jack McAdams daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net '91 GW - ALMOST the last of the dinosaurs![Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:33:05 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Re: Old Blue's Brakes... At 11:04 PM 12/12/96, john wrote: >I picked up the new steel brake lines that go to the hoses... >the parts guy couldn't believe how inexpensive they were... > >I ordered rebuilt front calipers & pads, a NEW master cylinder, >and new front hoses from NAPA... Hey, John, have fun w/ the brake job this wkend. I'll be sandblasting my springs and admiring my new D44 which is due to be delivered Sun. BTW, how much are the rblt front calipers gonna cost from NAPA? I plan to get mine from them as well. ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:32:59 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Re:MARK WALLACE, here's one for ya!!! At 10:11 PM 12/12/96, john wrote: >Mark, take special note of the slushbox... special >for ya... :) > >john > >At 05:21 PM 12/11/96 -0800, Kenneth E. Wetherall wrote: >> Kenneth Wetherall >> kenns-at-concentric.net >>Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys >>Subject: 89' Grand Wagoneer for sale >>Date: 12 Dec 1996 19:21:45 GMT >>Organization: IBM Austin >>89' Grand Wagoneer, leather, power, 111K, new transmission >>(by AMCO transmission), very clean inside/outside. Yeah, I hear AAMCO can rebuild a mean tranny! ;=) ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:33:11 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Re: try telnet... Sheesh, didn't we get rid of the command line interface back in the mid-80s? Well, at least us Mac users did. DOH! At 10:01 AM 12/13/96, john wrote: >> Don't ask why I waited so long to throw a CURVE. It's one of those nights. >> CIS tells me I have 13 messages but, it won't let me get'em. All I could get >> out of the stinking mail server was this digest and it wasn't complete which >> means I'm going to get it again whether I like it or not. >> -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com > >michael, when I needed to fix something on my parent's compuserve account, >I'd go in the back door and fix it... it's a little kludgy, but it works... > >try telnetting to compuserve. Open up a terminal session and dial in to the >same number, once you make the connection log in and navigate around at the >command line... Actually, I never used the same dial up, I'd telnet in from >the internet from another account... not sure if your dialup access will >let you >come in that way... should, it won't see wincim, just the vt100 session... > >what you'll try to do is get to mail. I think '?' is help... It's a >little awkward, >but you'll see all your messages and can deal with them there. What may >have happened >is one of doc's, ken's or my message got stuck sideways in there, you know how >some of the FSJ stuff is... a little too wide for the internet... :) > >or, you could call compuserve and quit and get a real isp... :) > >elm is much nicer than wincim. eudora is much nicer than wincim. smoke >signals are... > >john > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 21:37:10 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: FIRE!!FIRE!! Well-I can see it's back to the 'yard for an engine harness... I was warming up Mr. Beef today to go to my buddy's garage when he just stopped idling. Oh well I thought, I probably just forgot to hook up the aligator clip that runs the fuel pump (gotta get that relay in...) No, I hear it clicking...WHAT TH'... Now I'm gettin' pissed! Just rebuilt the carb, and I'm thinkin' it's a stuck float or something. No, accel pump shooting gas... Just about the time I started to run down Mr Battery, it occured to me-this thing ain't gettin no spark! (Verified with Harley plug out of tool box) Where to start- OK let's see if we got 12v at the coil... NO! (what are the chances of hitting it first try?) Hmm now why not, I know I'll just move the harness here and...SPARK! POOF! OH MERDE! Muh Jeep done caught fire! Gotsta unhook the Battery like quick! After visions of dripping plastic and black smoke left my head, I investigated the site of much sparking and found that the previous (as opposed to the current) chowder head struck again and had the harness such that the red 12v coil wire had rubbed thru on the intake. NO WONDER 1)it would shut off over bumps (sometimes) 2)the lights would dim at weird intervals 3)it would just quit, then start as if nothing happened! Actually this near fire couldn't have made me happier-many mystery problems have been solved!!!! As far as the 4bbl rebuild goes, that went very smoothly and Mr. Beef fired right up-haven't had a chance to fine adj. yet. Put a manual choke on as well (HOORAY!) When I do the harness I'll also go with a new Standard Ign. coil and get rid of that stupid hoopdy-rig Ford I-look-like-I'm-on-but-I'm-not-making-contact coil connector as well as grab a spare brain outta the 'yard. Also, the more I stare at the '79 manual and 'yard motors the more I'm understanding the crapuum system, so I think I'll rehook the EGR/manifold/CTO/distrib path. Got rid of all my 1" hose-with-screw vacuum plugs and actually got real rubber caps!(too fancy now) The QT/th400 story isn't as happy-I put my shift kit and new seal in the 'yard trans, and proceeded to do the tourque test on the diff. in the QT-it figures that out of the 3 QTs I have I would pick the only one that had a spent diff to rebuild! (Wish I woulda known the test earlier or had a manual) AAAnyway just like the fab four say it is indeed getting better all the time. After I re-diff the QT, it's harness/steering col./fine tune/beat like red haired step child. Any questions? Brad Feick uncharred '78 J20, Mr Beef. (I like him rare)[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:29:28 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: got pictures, now I'll need a scanner...
WAY COOL... just got a letter in the mail tonight.
Flygpost par avion... with a whole bunch of stamps on it...
from Tommy... in Sweden...
Some nice shots of his 77 Cherokee before, and during, and approximately
where it is now... I liked the shots of the snow. I've never really
looked at a Cherokee with nothing inside it before... it's interesting
how they made up for the weight savings of not having those TWO very
useful back doors by adding steel across that opening... :)
Mark, you'd probably like this thing... Tommy said he drove it around
this August with no mufflers. Nice paint job Tommy. If my legs looked
like that I wouldn't wear shorts... :)
Your Daily Driver is one sharp J20, when you say it's not riding like
Old Blue, is that before or after I fixed the vibrations??? I NEVER
saw a US Army truck that looked as nice as yours.
I like the picture of the Chero with the entire front end off... Now
I know where to weld on some brackets for a custom brush guard...
It's a lot easier to see with everything off...
Sure is pretty looking country, very much like the Pacific Northwest,
without the snow of course... We may be slightly greener here... But
why aren't there any Mountains or Hills??? I mean I look across the field
and it's all kind of level...
Your friend's FSJ and Volvo lot looks very, very, very familiar... including
the volvo... Is his name Tom by any chance??? :) Actually, your friend
has his sitting in a row, on concrete... Tom's, well, they're sort of in
a row... funny though, these look like they have color... Tom's seem to
be white or green...
Is that a 67 hood on your 68 Mustang? Is that a stock color? It looks
like it's somewhere between the red and the orange that they offered...
I found my Europa Atlas and located your town... Is the Ma(e)laran salt
water? (is it e if you don't have umlauts?)
This looks like a very liveable place. How severe is the climate?
I noticed the White Birch trees, they tend to like our higher elevations,
or the northern parts of Wisconsin... Since you're near the 60th parallel
I'd say you probably have long days in the summer and very short days in
the winter. Shoot, Frankfurt is further North than we are here in Seattle,
and the days were longer / shorter than here, I can imagine how much more there.
Looks like the water plays a big factor in keeping you from becoming tundra...
Looks like you're in farm country... What kind of work do you do?
Any good computer jobs in your area? :)
Hey, don't knock the european Ford Granada's, they are much nicer than
American Granada's... Isn't that the top of the line in Europe in the Ford
line?
later,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:32:17 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Performer, does this make sens John?
now I understand... :) looks like it wouldn't make much
difference at higher rpm though... =20
thanx,
john
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And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."=20
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:33:46 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: John M.
<very large grin on this side of the crt>
(I remember the days of the 67... I love my 81... :)
At 02:52 PM 12/12/96 -0800, Kenneth E. Wetherall wrote:
>phftttfhftfhtff |(!
>john wrote:
>> in fact, they still carry
>> almost all of his parts at the Jeep dealer... :) <very large smile here>
>--
> Sincerely
> Kenneth Wetherall
> kenns-at-concentric.net
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:31:44 -0800 From: Landen Schooler <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions Doc, One would think that some where out in Jeep land, there would be a machine shop that is rebuilding a 242 and a 258. And out of wonder, try sticking the 258 crank in the 242 block, then tell all of us how it looks? Mind you, I'd love to be the one to pass the word on, but my local shop does mostly Chevy & Ford V-8's. They are rebuilding a Jeep truck 401 at the moment and they need three stock valve retainers. Anybody have a coffee can full of extras under their work bench? Landen Schooler Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > > Funny thing you should bring this up, landen... after all the > discussion we had last week about the similarities between the 4.0 and the > 4.2, I just remembered my friend the Jeep engineer telling me that the 4.0 > block won't handle the longer stroke of the 4.2, which is why you use a 4.2 > block and 4.0 head and pistons (the 4.2 will handle the larger bore, no > problem) for the bigger motors. > > -Doc > > At 07:48 PM 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote: > >bks-at-co.intel.com wrote: > >> > >> I thought I read somewhere recently (maybe on this list??) that you can > >> stroke a 4.0L with a 258 crank and rods. Did I imagine this? If it is > >> true, does anybody know offhand what the resulting displancement is? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> -brad > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the > command > >> "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >> > >> > > > > > >Well, here are my wishful thinking figures.............. > > > > > > Stock 242 3.88 X 3.413 = 242 ci. > > stock 258 3.75 X 3.895 = 258 ci. > > 242 block w/258 crank 3.88 X 3.895 = 276 ci. > >242 block .030 over w/258 crank 3.91 X 3.895 = 280.6 ci. > >242 block .030 over w/258 crank > >w/.25 welded offset stroker 3.91 X 4.145 = 298.6 ci. > > Now I don't know if there is enough room for a .25 inch stroker > >in a 242 block. > >But it looks good on paper. Oh yes, custom pistons. ($$$$$) > > > >Landen Schooler > >1996 Cherokee Sport w/ UpCounty > >(The intended victim) > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- > >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:49:02 -0700 From: jnj-at-azstarnet.com (John or Jenn) Subject: Re: FSJ-List-Digest - Number 57 >Maybe it's time to think about upgrading to a four barrel carb/intake >manifold. Any ideas on what that would cost? I've heard bad reviews of >the Motorcraft 4350 that AMC used, but Pony Carburetors thinks it's a >great carb. What do you think? Do it! Get the Edelbrock Performer manifold, and whatever 4V carb tickles your fancy! You'll love the improved drivability. My wife was just telling me this evening how much she really likes the way her GW drives since we did this.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:59:22 -0700 From: jnj-at-azstarnet.com (John or Jenn) Subject: Rebuilt carbs >I, personally, am skeptical of carb repair shops. Have never heard of >anyone who got a good carb from any rebuild shop. I'll second this! Rebuild it yourself, and if that doesn't fix it, buy a new one...[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:10:06 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: say what???? how many degrees...???
At 07:47 PM 12/13/96 EST, Michael Baxter wrote:
>john <john-at-> writes:
> >> this sounds a little extreme... are you sure? 2,000 degrees??? And this
>is with aluminum pistons??? what was the melting point of aluminum again?
>How about steel? <<
> Oops...I was wrong. 2,300 degrees :-). Page 149 in the Jeep Owner's Bible by
>Moses Ludel.
That's very interesting Michael, but my science book lists the following
information:
Melting Point of Elements:
Aluminum 660 deg. C - apx 1,200 deg F
Iron 1,525 deg. C - apx 2,732 deg F.
You said that it would LOWER the temperature by 2,000 degrees!!!
A Diesel at full compression has heated the air to about 1,656 deg F...
That's at 22:1 compression ratio... and Diesel has more energy than
gas... I couldn't find anything in print to say what a gas engine's
exhaust temp is, but the Diesel is around 1,600 degrees and is considered
hot (compared to ???)
So what kind of combustion temperatures are we talking about where you
could lower it more than the melting point of some pistons... :)
Since I couldn't find anything in print, and don't remember from school,
I can only say I'm very curious about this. I can't find my welding
book either, but it seems to me that the melting point of steel is
around 1,700 deg C... I need to finish cleaning my office... :)
john
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"When they came for the 2nd Amendment, I said nothing, for I owned no gun
Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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john-at- http://www./~john
81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
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