Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 00:08:59 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: Rebuilt carbs At 09:59 PM 12/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >>I, personally, am skeptical of carb repair shops. Have never heard of >>anyone who got a good carb from any rebuild shop. >I'll second this! Rebuild it yourself, and if that doesn't fix it, >buy a new one... > I must disagree, we have a carb shop in town that does great work. Just picked up a 650 or 700 cfm Quadra-Jet for $119 exchange, works great, no problems at all. Been doing business with them since my hot-rodding days long ago. It's appropriately named "Carburetor Exchange" <G> C'ya Joe-[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:15:23 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: bureaucraps...
At 09:17 PM 12/13/96 -0500, Jack McAdams wrote:
>>>> Arkansas! they rarely even check for a working Horn!
>>>here in Washington state...
>Man, are you folks screwed up! Here in New Jeresy we do our inspections by
>mail. All you need is a cousin that works for the state or an 'approved'
>service station. Nah, there's no corruption here!
>==================================
>Jack McAdams >daedalus-at-postoffice.ptd.net
>'91 GW - ALMOST the last of the dinosaurs!
can you have your cousin Vinny get me an inspection for next fall?
john
oh, yeah, make sure it's for Washington State this time... the stickers
for Florida didn't work last time... :)
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:25:37 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Old Blue's Brakes...
I got a discount, but the total out the door including $59 worth of cores
and sales tax came to $279 and included:
a NEW master cylinder: $84 (the first list price he said was $175,
my cost $124, but he found a better deal...)
two rebuilt front calipers with pads and fittings and h/w -
two front brake hoses
and
1 Quart of DOT 3 fluid (NAPA brand??? is it ok, or should I get
something better???)
I can't remember what the calipers were... the hoses were about 16 apiece.
I could put my shoes on, go through two doors into the cold, dark carport,
past the tire iron that is still on the driver's side lugnut of Old blue
(forgot to loosen them before putting him on jack stands... need someone's
foot for a few minutes) and open the back door and get the receipt... but
I'm tired just thinking about it... :) Seems to me the calipers were
something like $28 each... I don't know what list is, they don't price
things at NAPA like they do at the dealer where I know what the jobber
price will be... maybe around $36 each?
I guess I'll be "admiring" my D44f too... trying to get parts off
of it... :)
Hey anybody ever heard the song "Cows with Guns?" It's a guy up here
in Bellingham that wrote it, he was on 92.9 FM the other night... Silly
stuff...
john
At 09:33 PM 12/13/96 -0500, Jen Hen wrote:
>At 11:04 PM 12/12/96, john wrote:
>>I picked up the new steel brake lines that go to the hoses...
>>the parts guy couldn't believe how inexpensive they were...
>>
>>I ordered rebuilt front calipers & pads, a NEW master cylinder,
>>and new front hoses from NAPA...
>
>Hey, John, have fun w/ the brake job this wkend. I'll be sandblasting my
>springs and admiring my new D44 which is due to be delivered Sun.
>
>BTW, how much are the rblt front calipers gonna cost from NAPA? I plan to
>get mine from them as well.
>
>
>=============================================================
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>'68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
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They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:30:05 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: long live CLI...
At 09:33 PM 12/13/96 -0500, Jen Hen wrote:
>Sheesh, didn't we get rid of the command line interface back in the
>mid-80s? Well, at least us Mac users did.
That's why mac's represented 7% of the business market in 1992 and
have gone down since then... :)
Long live CLI - GUI is ok, but CLI for me... :)
I don't mind a gui, but please, allow me to do it from the keyboard...
Microsoft stuff is pretty good this way, if you're mouse dies of a heart
attack or something, then you are still able to get stuff done... If
your mouse dies while working for a mac, ur hosed... :)
john
(cmd line interface...)
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Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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[Back to Top]Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:40:24 -0800 From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: FIRE!!FIRE!! At 09:37 PM 12/13/96 EST, M_B_FEICK wrote: > ... Hmm now why not, I know I'll just move the >harness here and...SPARK! POOF! OH MERDE! Muh Jeep done caught fire! >Gotsta unhook the Battery like quick! .... Actually this near fire couldn't have made me happier-many mystery problems have been solved!!!! Any questions? no, well, maybe one... :) nah... guess I'm happy that you solved your mystery problems... happy, really? <smirk> makes one wonder how other catastrophic events are viewed through those rose colored glasses... :) A happy FSJ'r is an optimistic FSJ'r... :) >Brad Feick >uncharred '78 J20, Mr Beef. >(I like him rare) john who enjoyed the story... I remember when Old Blue did the smoke and stop thing in the back yard... (the story of the weedeating wagoneer from fall 95...) thankfully, I wasn't quite as happy as Brad... :) <snicker, chuckle...>[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:43:48 -0500 From: "D. "Doc" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net> Subject: oops duh... what's this button do? Due to a software interface error, I managed to delete my entire Eudora program last night... lost all my stashed messages (including all the web page contributions y'all so kindly sent me in the last week and a half or so), and the 96 messages or so I hadn't gotten to yet. so, if it was important, send it back to me if ya can. If it weren't 'potant, then don't. -Doc[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 00:45:30 -0500 From: "D. "Doc" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net> Subject: Re: questions.... Real Arizona town names: Punkin Center Surprise Tombstone Nowhere -Doc > Notrees > Needmore > Paradise > Dime Box > Hutto > Round Rock (My hometown!) > Pflugerville[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:20:30 -0500
From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net>
Subject: Re: Full-Size Jeep Lift
>
> Ron writes:
>
> >> I agree that lots of thin leaves will produce a nicer ride than a few
> thick ones <<
Michael Baxter wrote:
>
> Okay now...I know nothing about leaf springs but, I have to throw this red
> juicy tidbit into the pit :-) Ron, this is not aimed at you personally.
I must have said something wrong somewhere. I have some people almost
swearing at me, and now I have created a "pit". :) All I was
originally trying to say was, that if you add leaves to your existing
spring pack, your spring rate will increase, and your vehicle will ride
rougher. I can't count the times I have heard people complaining
because in trying to raise their vehicles, they made it ride rougher and
were disappointed. I think all of us offroad types agree that the more
wheel travel, the better.
> If you put a bunch of thin leaves together in a spring pack, don't you
> increase the friction between the leaves? It would seem the more leaves the
> more friction and the stiffer the pack? But, I know that the HD springs on
> FSJs are just two leaves.
>
> I'm confused...somebody educate me please :-)
Friction between the leaves does contribute to the resistance of
movement, but the real resistance is in the "rate" of the spring. I was
trying to think of a good analogy, but couldn't come up with one better
than this: Think of a 1" thick phone book. It is easy to bend. Now, if
you take a 1" thick stack of card stock, it is harder to bend. Finally,
if you take a 1" thick piece of wood (I know, not exactly the same
material, but paper is made from wood) it is much harder to bend. That
sort-of shows why many thin pieces is not as stiff as a few thick ones.
Hopefully someone can think of a better example?
The reason this happens is a property of a shape called its "moment of
inertia"(MOI) (I'm not sure where that name came from, because it just
doesn't sound right). The best description of "moment of interia" that
I can think of, is its resistance to bending. The formula for the MOI of
a rectangle is: 1/12 x base x height cubed. So the height (ie
thickness) is very important. Let's compare two spring packs: One with
3 springs, each 2" wide x .25" thick. The other with 6 springs, each 2"
wide x .125 thick. Both of these packs are a total of .75" thick.
The MOI of the first pack is 3 x 1/12 x 2 x .25 cubed = .00781
second pack is 6 x 1/12 x 2 x .125 cubed = .00195
So the pack with 3 thick leaves is 4 times stiffer than the pack with 6
thin leaves.
I hope this helps.
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[Back to Top]Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:20:57 -0500
From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net>
Subject: Re: here we go again... <bg>
john wrote:
> >
> >> briefcase with a 2 door?
> >
> UNLESS, the driver's seat doesn't flip forward, like it didn't on
> my Full-Size Diesel sippin' JImmy... :)
>
> Besides, you can strain your back trying to flip that seat forward
> AND put the briefcase in there... my Chiropractor recommends 4 doors... :)
What the heck do you carry in you briefcase ?! :)
>
> The walk is good for my back... :)
Good answer.
>
> > john
> >> (who prefers 4drs because of two teenagers
> >You definately win on this one!
>
> can anybody win with teenagers??? <insert another cheesy grin here>
I will be finding out in a few years.
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[Back to Top]Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:27:18 -0500
From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net>
Subject: Re: here we go again... <bg>
Michael Baxter wrote:
> Ahh..two doors, four doors...it doesn't make any difference. I just open up
> whatever door I'm going to get in and the fling it over onto the back seat
> :-).
You don't think that I actually flip my seat up do you. My briefcase
has caught plenty of air in its day.
>
> BTW, the sub-group I was talking about was the 5-10 people on the list that
> are trying to make their FSJs as good or better than new. Essentially
> Resto/Custom.
You might have to drop that number to 4-9 people, because mine might
better than the day I bought it, but is not better than new. I wouldn't
call it a Resto/Custom :) Although, hopefully with rebuilt motor,
Jacobs, and Performer stuff, it will run better than new, this Spring.
> Ron, again...I wasn't addressing you personally. Your name/address just
> happens to be convenient.
I know, no problem, I am having fun here.
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[Back to Top]Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:29:36 -0500 From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net> Subject: Re: 3/10ths of an inch!!!!! Ron wrote: > > '77 shop manual: > > > >Cherokee 2dr & 4dr = 108.7 > >Wagoneer 4dr = 109 john wrote: > > WHY would there be .3 inches difference???? I thought you would get a kick out of that. I figure that the author of the manual was one of those engineers with a pocket protector, and can't say a number without including six decimal places. "It rained ..785431 inches last night". No offense to engineers :), because I is one too. Ron[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:33:52 -0500
From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net>
Subject: Re: FSJ pics
Brian Riggs wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I was just cruisin' the web here at work and found some pics of an FSJ.
> http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/gallery.html
>
> Brian
Those are some good pictures. From work? sounds like my kind of job.
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[Back to Top]Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:34:24 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: questions.... How about these Indiana towns; Knaw Bone Cuba Bean Blossom Stone Head South Bend (in northern part of state) North Vernon (in southern part of state) French Lick (home of Larry Bird) Urmyville Russiaville Rising Sun Tell City At 12:45 AM 12/14/96 -0500, you wrote: > > > Real Arizona town names: > > Punkin Center > Surprise > Tombstone > Nowhere > > >-Doc > >> Notrees >> Needmore >> Paradise >> Dime Box >> Hutto >> Round Rock (My hometown!) >> Pflugerville > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:37:32 -0500 From: "D. "Doc" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net> Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions thought I said this last night... may have been one of the messages lost in the crash last night... can't use the 4.0 block it's got extra stiffening ribs and braces inside the counterweights on the 258 crank won't fit. so ya use the 4.2 block and crank and 4.0 head and pistons. Well you don't even need to use the 4.0 head if ya wanna stay with a carb etc.... hey what's this my comma> key seems to have died.... blecch... time to replace this keyboard I guess... (shrug) -Doc ---------- > From: Landen Schooler <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions > Date: Friday, December 13, 1996 1:31 AM > > Doc, > One would think that some where out in Jeep land, there would be a > machine shop that is rebuilding a 242 and a 258. And out of wonder, try > sticking the 258 crank in the 242 block, then tell all of us how it > looks? Mind you, I'd love to be the one to pass the word on, but my > local shop does mostly Chevy & Ford V-8's. They are rebuilding a Jeep > truck 401 at the moment and they need three stock valve retainers. > Anybody have a coffee can full of extras under their work bench? > > Landen Schooler > > > > Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > > > > Funny thing you should bring this up, landen... after all the > > discussion we had last week about the similarities between the 4.0 and the > > 4.2, I just remembered my friend the Jeep engineer telling me that the 4.0 > > block won't handle the longer stroke of the 4.2, which is why you use a 4.2 > > block and 4.0 head and pistons (the 4.2 will handle the larger bore, no > > problem) for the bigger motors. > > > > -Doc > > > > At 07:48 PM 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote: > > >bks-at-co.intel.com wrote: > > >> > > >> I thought I read somewhere recently (maybe on this list??) that you can > > >> stroke a 4.0L with a 258 crank and rods. Did I imagine this? If it is > > >> true, does anybody know offhand what the resulting displancement is? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> -brad > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------- > > >> To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the > > command > > >> "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >Well, here are my wishful thinking figures.............. > > > > > > > > > Stock 242 3.88 X 3.413 = 242 ci. > > > stock 258 3.75 X 3.895 = 258 ci. > > > 242 block w/258 crank 3.88 X 3.895 = 276 ci. > > >242 block .030 over w/258 crank 3.91 X 3.895 = 280.6 ci. > > >242 block .030 over w/258 crank > > >w/.25 welded offset stroker 3.91 X 4.145 = 298.6 ci. > > > Now I don't know if there is enough room for a .25 inch stroker > > >in a 242 block. > > >But it looks good on paper. Oh yes, custom pistons. ($$$$$) > > > > > >Landen Schooler > > >1996 Cherokee Sport w/ UpCounty > > >(The intended victim) > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- > > >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > > >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:44:20 -0500 From: "D. "Doc" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net> Subject: happy holidays Welp guys 7 a.m. starts my vacation from the cab company... won't get to check my mail again till after New Years, probably. Y'all have a Merry Christmas! Best to y'all and your families. -Doc[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:33:56 -0800 From: Landen Schooler <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions Ok, if there are braces and stiffening ribs in the block, what won't this work....when one puts a Ford 351W crank in a 302 block to stroke it you have to turn the counter weights down to clear, would this work with the 242/258 combo? Landen Schooler D. Doc Fariello wrote: > > thought I said this last night... may have been one of the messages lost > in the crash last night... > > can't use the 4.0 block it's got extra stiffening ribs and braces inside > the counterweights on the 258 crank won't fit. so ya use the 4.2 block > and crank and 4.0 head and pistons. Well you don't even need to use the > 4.0 head if ya wanna stay with a carb etc.... hey what's this my comma> > key seems to have died.... blecch... time to replace this keyboard I > guess... (shrug) > > -Doc > > ---------- > > From: Landen Schooler <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com> > > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > > Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions > > Date: Friday, December 13, 1996 1:31 AM > > > > Doc, > > One would think that some where out in Jeep land, there would be a > > machine shop that is rebuilding a 242 and a 258. And out of wonder, try > > sticking the 258 crank in the 242 block, then tell all of us how it > > looks? Mind you, I'd love to be the one to pass the word on, but my > > local shop does mostly Chevy & Ford V-8's. They are rebuilding a Jeep > > truck 401 at the moment and they need three stock valve retainers. > > Anybody have a coffee can full of extras under their work bench? > > > > Landen Schooler > > > > > > > > Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > > > > > > Funny thing you should bring this up, landen... after all the > > > discussion we had last week about the similarities between the 4.0 and > the > > > 4.2, I just remembered my friend the Jeep engineer telling me that the > 4.0 > > > block won't handle the longer stroke of the 4.2, which is why you use > a 4.2 > > > block and 4.0 head and pistons (the 4.2 will handle the larger bore, > no > > > problem) for the bigger motors. > > > > > > -Doc > > > > > > At 07:48 PM 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote: > > > >bks-at-co.intel.com wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I thought I read somewhere recently (maybe on this list??) that you > can > > > >> stroke a 4.0L with a 258 crank and rods. Did I imagine this? If > it is > > > >> true, does anybody know offhand what the resulting displancement > is? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> -brad > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with > the > > > command > > > >> "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, here are my wishful thinking figures.............. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock 242 3.88 X 3.413 = 242 ci. > > > > stock 258 3.75 X 3.895 = 258 ci. > > > > 242 block w/258 crank 3.88 X 3.895 = 276 ci. > > > >242 block .030 over w/258 crank 3.91 X 3.895 = 280.6 ci. > > > >242 block .030 over w/258 crank > > > >w/.25 welded offset stroker 3.91 X 4.145 = 298.6 ci. > > > > Now I don't know if there is enough room for a .25 inch > stroker > > > >in a 242 block. > > > >But it looks good on paper. Oh yes, custom pistons. ($$$$$) > > > > > > > >Landen Schooler > > > >1996 Cherokee Sport w/ UpCounty > > > >(The intended victim) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- > > > >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with > the command > > > >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the > command > > > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the > command > > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 03:14:13 -0500 From: "D. "Doc" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net> Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions What on earth are you talking about? Not only would you have to shave the counterweights, but you'd have to add almost a half-inch to the main bearing journal diameter! No, wait... that's the Cleveland with the different size mains... I think... hell, why ask me these questions when I don't have my handy-dandy reference books handy? Do you really think I can REMEMBER all these little tidbits of information? <grin>. Besides the fact that both the small-block Ford and the AMC 6-cyls are externally balanced, and shaving the crank counterweights would really open up a large can of worms. I never heard of shaving counterweights before... In the 4.0 (and I think on the small block fords as well... gotta look it up to make sure) it's not only the counterweights that are a problem, there also isn't enough room for the rod big end to move around without hitting cylinder walls. Damn, now you've really got my curiousity peaked... I gotta dig out my Ford books and check this out... you're gonna have to wait a couple of weeks, probably, though, for my final answer and by then I'll probably have forgotten all about it. -Doc ---------- > From: Landen Schooler <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions > Date: Friday, December 13, 1996 4:33 AM > > Ok, if there are braces and stiffening ribs in the block, what won't > this work....when one puts a Ford 351W crank in a 302 block to stroke it > you have to turn the counter weights down to clear, would this work with > the 242/258 combo? > Landen Schooler > > D. Doc Fariello wrote: > > > > thought I said this last night... may have been one of the messages lost > > in the crash last night... > > > > can't use the 4.0 block it's got extra stiffening ribs and braces inside > > the counterweights on the 258 crank won't fit. so ya use the 4.2 block > > and crank and 4.0 head and pistons. Well you don't even need to use the > > 4.0 head if ya wanna stay with a carb etc.... hey what's this my comma> > > key seems to have died.... blecch... time to replace this keyboard I > > guess... (shrug) > > > > -Doc > > > > ---------- > > > From: Landen Schooler <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com> > > > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > > > Subject: Re: Lots of questions - and more questions > > > Date: Friday, December 13, 1996 1:31 AM > > > > > > Doc, > > > One would think that some where out in Jeep land, there would be a > > > machine shop that is rebuilding a 242 and a 258. And out of wonder, try > > > sticking the 258 crank in the 242 block, then tell all of us how it > > > looks? Mind you, I'd love to be the one to pass the word on, but my > > > local shop does mostly Chevy & Ford V-8's. They are rebuilding a Jeep > > > truck 401 at the moment and they need three stock valve retainers. > > > Anybody have a coffee can full of extras under their work bench? > > > > > > Landen Schooler > > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > > > > > > > > Funny thing you should bring this up, landen... after all the > > > > discussion we had last week about the similarities between the 4.0 and > > the > > > > 4.2, I just remembered my friend the Jeep engineer telling me that the > > 4.0 > > > > block won't handle the longer stroke of the 4.2, which is why you use > > a 4.2 > > > > block and 4.0 head and pistons (the 4.2 will handle the larger bore, > > no > > > > problem) for the bigger motors. > > > > > > > > -Doc > > > > > > > > At 07:48 PM 12/11/96 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >bks-at-co.intel.com wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> I thought I read somewhere recently (maybe on this list??) that you > > can > > > > >> stroke a 4.0L with a 258 crank and rods. Did I imagine this? If > > it is > > > > >> true, does anybody know offhand what the resulting displancement > > is? > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > >> -brad > > > > >> > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with > > the > > > > command > > > > >> "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, here are my wishful thinking figures.............. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock 242 3.88 X 3.413 = 242 ci. > > > > > stock 258 3.75 X 3.895 = 258 ci. > > > > > 242 block w/258 crank 3.88 X 3.895 = 276 ci. > > > > >242 block .030 over w/258 crank 3.91 X 3.895 = 280.6 ci. > > > > >242 block .030 over w/258 crank > > > > >w/.25 welded offset stroker 3.91 X 4.145 = 298.6 ci. > > > > > Now I don't know if there is enough room for a .25 inch > > stroker > > > > >in a 242 block. > > > > >But it looks good on paper. Oh yes, custom pistons. ($$$$$) > > > > > > > > > >Landen Schooler > > > > >1996 Cherokee Sport w/ UpCounty > > > > >(The intended victim) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- > > > > >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with > > the command > > > > >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the > > command > > > > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the > > command > > > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: 14 Dec 1996 08:43:18 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: which FSJ did your wife love???? On Dec 13, 6:48pm, Michael Baxter wrote: > Subject: Re: which FSJ did your wife love???? > > "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> writes: > > >> Of course, that's the stuff that will be hardest to reproduce when as I > restore the beast! << > > Jeff, if yours are the white ones; I have 7/8 of a new set. I'm still looking > for the left front fender. > > I plan on taking them to a graphics shop and having them reproduced onto > modern 3M vinyl. There are 3 or 4 on the list that want to know when I do this > so they can get a repro. also. I'll post here when the time comes. > > -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter > From Reno, NV USA on 13-Dec-1996 > >-- End of excerpt from Michael Baxter Please add me to that list... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: 14 Dec 1996 08:49:31 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: FIRE!!FIRE!! Well, it sounds like you had a heck of a day! Congrats on solving the problems...whatever it takes, right? On vacuum hose issue, where did you get most of your info for reconnecting these things? I have capped about four open vacuum ports and still think I have a vacuum leak somewhere...And no clue as to where they should actually be connected. Jeff Gunn '78 Cherokee Runs lean cause of vaccum leaks.... On Dec 13, 8:37pm, M_B_FEICK wrote: > Subject: FIRE!!FIRE!! > > Well-I can see it's back to the 'yard for an engine harness... I was > warming up Mr. Beef today to go to my buddy's garage when he just stopped > idling. Oh well I thought, I probably just forgot to hook up the aligator > clip that runs the fuel pump (gotta get that relay in...) No, I hear it > clicking...WHAT TH'... Now I'm gettin' pissed! Just rebuilt the carb, and > I'm thinkin' it's a stuck float or something. No, accel pump shooting gas... > Just about the time I started to run down Mr Battery, it occured to me-this > thing ain't gettin no spark! (Verified with Harley plug out of tool box) > Where to start- OK let's see if we got 12v at the coil... NO! (what are the > chances of hitting it first try?) Hmm now why not, I know I'll just move the > harness here and...SPARK! POOF! OH MERDE! Muh Jeep done caught fire! > Gotsta unhook the Battery like quick! > After visions of dripping plastic and black smoke left my head, I > investigated the site of much sparking and found that the previous (as opposed > to the current) chowder head struck again and had the harness such that the > red 12v coil wire had rubbed thru on the intake. NO WONDER 1)it would shut > off over bumps (sometimes) 2)the lights would dim at weird intervals 3)it > would just quit, then start as if nothing happened! Actually this near fire > couldn't have made me happier-many mystery problems have been solved!!!! > As far as the 4bbl rebuild goes, that went very smoothly and Mr. Beef > fired right up-haven't had a chance to fine adj. yet. Put a manual choke on > as well (HOORAY!) When I do the harness I'll also go with a new Standard Ign. > coil and get rid of that stupid hoopdy-rig Ford > I-look-like-I'm-on-but-I'm-not-making-contact coil connector as well as grab a > spare brain outta the 'yard. Also, the more I stare at the '79 manual and > 'yard motors the more I'm understanding the crapuum system, so I think I'll > rehook the EGR/manifold/CTO/distrib path. Got rid of all my 1" > hose-with-screw vacuum plugs and actually got real rubber caps!(too fancy now) > The QT/th400 story isn't as happy-I put my shift kit and new seal in > the 'yard trans, and proceeded to do the tourque test on the diff. in the > QT-it figures that out of the 3 QTs I have I would pick the only one that had > a spent diff to rebuild! (Wish I woulda known the test earlier or had a > manual) AAAnyway just like the fab four say it is indeed getting better all > the time. After I re-diff the QT, it's harness/steering col./fine tune/beat > like red haired step child. Any questions? > Brad Feick > uncharred '78 J20, Mr Beef. > (I like him rare) > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >-- End of excerpt from M_B_FEICK[Back to Top]
Date: 14 Dec 1996 09:02:58 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Full-Size Jeep Lift On Dec 14, 12:20am, Ron wrote: > Subject: Re: Full-Size Jeep Lift > > > > I must have said something wrong somewhere. I have some people almost > swearing at me, and now I have created a "pit". :) I personally have found the entire discussion to be VERY informative, although I too have noted some "heated" responses. > The reason this happens is a property of a shape called its "moment of > inertia"(MOI) (I'm not sure where that name came from, because it just > doesn't sound right). The best description of "moment of interia" that > I can think of, is its resistance to bending. The formula for the MOI of > a rectangle is: 1/12 x base x height cubed. So the height (ie > thickness) is very important. Let's compare two spring packs: One with > 3 springs, each 2" wide x .25" thick. The other with 6 springs, each 2" > wide x .125 thick. Both of these packs are a total of .75" thick. > > The MOI of the first pack is 3 x 1/12 x 2 x .25 cubed = .00781 > second pack is 6 x 1/12 x 2 x .125 cubed = .00195 > > So the pack with 3 thick leaves is 4 times stiffer than the pack with 6 > thin leaves. > > I hope this helps. > > -- > , > ___ |___ > | _ \_/ /--| /\ > |/ \___// \L / \ /\ > Ron \_/ \_/ / \/ \ > ------------------------/ \ \ > > > >-- End of excerpt from Ron You must be a injunier too!! Jeff Gunn, EIT BSME Mechanical Engineering, May 1995 The University of Texas at Austin[Back to Top]
Date: 14 Dec 1996 09:04:46 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: 3/10ths of an inch!!!!! On Dec 14, 12:29am, Ron wrote: > Subject: Re: 3/10ths of an inch!!!!! > > No offense to engineers :), because I is > one too. > > Ron > > > >-- End of excerpt from Ron I KNEWED IT FROM THE BUGINNIN!! Jeff Gunn (you know the rest....)[Back to Top]
Date: 14 Dec 1996 09:05:46 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: questions.... On Dec 14, 12:34am, Joe Sego wrote: > Subject: Re: questions.... > > How about these Indiana towns; > > > French Lick (home of Larry Bird) > >-- End of excerpt from Joe Sego I'm moving to French Lick!! Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:31:09 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: Need some small parts... If anybody has the front indicator light housings (right under headlight) for an 80 cherokkee, i could use a couple, also, I need 2 center caps, mine are missing! If anybody knows a company who makes these parts Id like to find out! or if any body knows a salvage yard where they might ne available! My wife thinks these parts are as important as that rear axle bearing :)![Back to Top]
Date: 14 Dec 1996 10:45:56 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Need some small parts... On Dec 14, 11:31am, Widetrac80-at-aol.com wrote: > Subject: Need some small parts... > > If anybody has the front indicator light housings (right under headlight) for > an 80 cherokkee, i could use a couple, also, I need 2 center caps, mine are > missing! If anybody knows a company who makes these parts Id like to find > out! or if any body knows a salvage yard where they might ne available! My > wife thinks these parts are as important as that rear axle bearing :)! > >-- End of excerpt from Widetrac80-at-aol.com I don't know what kind of condition you are looking for on the indicators, or what shape/size they are, but I am planning a trip to the junkyard where there is a '78 with pretty good indicator lenses. Doesn't have any center caps though (darn aftermarket wheels!) Jeff Gunn '78 Cherokee jgunn-at-hou.varco.com[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:34:31 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: Need some small parts... At 12:31 PM 12/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >If anybody has the front indicator light housings (right under headlight) for >an 80 cherokkee, i could use a couple, also, I need 2 center caps, mine are >missing! If anybody knows a company who makes these parts Id like to find >out! or if any body knows a salvage yard where they might ne available! My >wife thinks these parts are as important as that rear axle bearing :)! > I have a couple spare center caps for a 79 Chief, the ones I have are for the chrome wheels. Are they what you need? They say JEEP in the center and they mount to the rims from the front. C'ya Joe- > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:06:14 -0800
From: ken wetherall <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: SV: SV: lowrange...
At 07:47 PM 12/13/96 EST, you wrote:
mike, u dont need a clutch with this set up. u just come to a
complete stop to change the gears in the 'remote'
trany!!! so most of the time u would leave the remote in 3rd or 4th!!
im doing this conversion as we speak. but im not using the 420 or the
465 because of weight (150lbs,180lbs) and the fact that they are both
top shifters, just like the prob w/ the pass u typed of ;).
the t85, tho weaker, is a side shift, and came with its own
d20. But if someone on the list had that jtruck t18/d20 i wished for,
id jump on that too :)
>"=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Alm=E5s?=" <falmaas-at-online.no> writes:
>
> >> (Let's see TH400 first 2,48 x SM465 first 6,75 x QT lowrange 2,54 x diff
>ratio 3,78 = 160:1 crawl ratio!! Think I'll try that one-) <<
>
> Hey Frank, how about a SM-420 instead. It's shorter than a 465 and it has a
>7.06 1st.
>
> Of course, you'll have to warn your passengers in the back seat to leave the
>gear shift alone. Plus, valets/mechanics are going to get in and push in the
>clutch and try to operate the column sifter for the auto like a 3 on the tree.
>
> -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
> From Reno, NV USA on 13-Dec-1996
>
>!^NavFont01F000BMG{HG3DHHA8F843
>
>
Sincerely
Kenneth Wetherall
kenns-at-concentric.net
[Back to Top]Date: 14 Dec 96 14:08:58 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: which FSJ did your wife love???? Widetrac80-at-aol.com writes: >> I assume Mr. Baxter, that you are talking about Jeep Decals? << Yes, the white Indian motif stripes that say Cherokee on the front fenders, transition into dark gold & black SW design, go around the tailgate and then in inverse order up the opposite side. Stay tuned. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 14-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000EMGZHGcMG4EHGF8D5E9[Back to Top]
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