Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 00:26:34 -0800 From: Phil Graf <philgraf-at-dsp.com> Subject: Re: 81 Wagoneer >What do you need to get out of Old Bronze? Does it have >a 2" receiver hitch? If it does, what would you want for it? > >There are a number of FSJ fanatics in your neighborhood... Hard >to say if they'll give ya a jingle. > >How's the driver's door? One of your neighbor's had a minor encounter >with a street sign... > >Where about in No. Calif are you? I used to live in Klamath Falls... > >john John - Thanks for fwd, and quick reply. No receiver hitch, old-style fixed. Driver's door perfect, including glass. I add up about $2,000 worth of good parts, paid about $1,200 for rebuilt transmission (out, pro rebuild, and in). Would think it a fair buy for someone if I got only $850. Klamath Falls is WAY north! Ol' Bronze & I are in Sebastopol, about 50 miles north of San Francisco. I like your quotes. I am of the opinion that it is a pain in the butt (literally and figuratively) to pack a handgun, and that they will generally get you in more trouble than they'll get you out of, but that when a gun is the tool that is needed, its usually the most appropriate tool for the job... Also, I am certain that it is not only the right, but the duty of honest citizens to be armed. Phil[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 03:51:49 -0500 From: John Mettler <doogiezr-at-ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: wish list: 1413 Panel '63-'68 At 05:48 PM 12/14/96 EST, you wrote: >> >> Michael & Ken, do you know where that one ended up? << >> >> It might just be sitting right where we last saw it? I'll have to drive by >> and check next time I visit the domestic dispute capital of the US. >> >> It was pretty bad John since it had a fire inside. The body was pretty good >> rust wise (yes...floorboards) but, it had a ton of bondo. The heat from the >> fire did not seem to have warped anything. >> >> -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com > >Fire? too bad...Someone should make a purchase :> The rear doors could be >reproduced and a wagoneer or cherokee could be modifyed into a pannel...that >sounds like a good idea for my 83...just need to win the lottery. That remindes >me of a fantacy I have. I want a 75' by 150' 2 story barn. Bottem for parts >jeeps, the top for a shop. We could even hide the bodys we steel from the >factory in there while we assembel them. > >Karl Streich >79 Chief, 83 Wag > Speaking of parts, I just got home from work, and before I left I went up In the attic of the building to see again what all they have up there, man what a waste, fenders, front doors, rear doors,(at LEAST 3 each), some of them are E-dipped and a couple doors are bare metal, a hood, I don't remember seeing any tailgates up there, there was a sand color power seat and other odds and ends different models etc. That of coarse is above and beyond the 2 full body's in the basement, sorry to get this going again I just can't believe, all this stuff just lying around, when there is soooo many needy family's. Especially around Christmas :) Doogie[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 02:38:28 -0700 From: jnj-at-azstarnet.com (John or Jenn) Subject: Carbs >I've had both carbs, a 750 double pumper and a QJ, I prefer the QJ >when setup properly. From my reading in the Quadra-Jet book I a 750 is kinda too big for a 360, doncha think? A lot of people (hot rodders, I'm talking about here) get 750 double pumpers, hi-rise manifolds, wild cams, high-stall converters, etc., then find out the thing sucks on the street... 600 cfm is probably the way to go for most folks. The nice thing about the Rochester Quadrajet is that the primaries are itty-bitty, so if you can stay out of the secondaries, you'll probably see an increase in fuel economy! :-)[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:11:57 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Alm=E5s?=" <falmaas-at-online.no> Subject: SV: replacement seats? I installed seats from a CitroËn CX into my Wagoneer. They are big, adjustable in every direction and heated, which is very nice in our Norwegian winters. I had to fabricate new mounts and because of the size off the seats I also had to do some cutting and welding in the tranny hump to get the seats in but it was an easy fix. I guess you could install any kind of seat in the FSJ with a little fabricating. Frank Norway ---------- > Fra: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com> > Til: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Emne: Re: replacement seats? > Dato: 15. desember 1996 02:20 > > At 06:31 PM 12/14/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Any of you folks ever swapped in somekind of other bucket seats? mine are > >very ragged, and id like to have some nice buckets, but i figuer being a > >jEEP, itll take some special seats...any ideas? > > Hmm, Was thinking the same thing. Did any FSJ come with buckets? > I think everyone I have seen (maybe 4) have had bench. My seats are very > smooth and sliding around corners has a whole new meaning. > > > > > > > > Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com > packet: N8EMR -at- W8CQK Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends) > "I want to be a nonconformist, just like all my friends" > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: 15 Dec 96 13:35:55 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Who lives in Truckee??? I remember talking to someone in Truckee (CA) but I forgot who it was. Anyway, I was wondering how much snow you have up there. I'll be up proabably arround the 23rd or 24th, but sadly without the Chief. Got him dry yesterday after 2 weeks of rain. All it took was a wet-vac and a hair dryer:) I think I got a gallon of aqua out of that waterlog. I guess fixing the floorboards was a bad idea since the water used to just drain out the bottem... Karl Streich 79 Chief, 83 Wag[Back to Top]
Date: 15 Dec 96 13:35:59 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: replacement seats? > At 06:31 PM 12/14/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Any of you folks ever swapped in somekind of other bucket seats? mine are > >very ragged, and id like to have some nice buckets, but i figuer being a > >jEEP, itll take some special seats...any ideas? > > Hmm, Was thinking the same thing. Did any FSJ come with buckets? > I think everyone I have seen (maybe 4) have had bench. My seats are very > smooth and sliding around corners has a whole new meaning. My '79 has "bucket seats" in it. I was thinking of getting Flowfit's or Monaco's, but they are expensive. About $800 for a set. I guess junkyard seats are allways an option :) Karl Streich 79 Chief, 83 Wag[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:00:18 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: spread bore hence the reason i went with the spread bore holley model 4165/75. Bought it for 20 at a swap meet, and save for the small primaries, its pure Holley :) John or Jenn wrote: > 600 cfm is probably the way to go for most folks. > > The nice thing about the Rochester Quadrajet is that the primaries are > itty-bitty, so if you can stay out of the secondaries, you'll probably > see an increase in fuel economy! :-) -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:08:54 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: 72 jtruck owner needs our help!! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------15B93D8D3E27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net --------------15B93D8D3E27 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news!news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cub.flex.net!news From: "Paul Dermody" <paul-at-flex.net> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys Subject: Jeep 1972: help Date: 14 Dec 1996 22:41:05 GMT Organization: Flexnet Inc. (Houston, Tx) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01bbea17$04dd9b00$02bddacd-at-home.blahism.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blahism.org X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I have a 1-ton 1972 Jeep truck, 160cid, 2bbl carb. (motorcraft 2100) It has developed a haze in the front windshield, looks like a fog effect, can this be polished off or is it inside the glass? Leaks underneath the dash, use to be sealant bead that rotted away and needs to be fixed. Can the dash cover be popped off or ripped off or is it somehow fastened to the console or dash. (I was thinking of making a fiberglass cover) Rust, what method should I use to fix: epoxy, Bondo, fiberglass, kevlar, or graphite to patch the holes. Add more grounding wires, Zinc anodes, or for the underside an oil spray? Courtesy lights?......have no idea about these except that they don't work. Bright lights do not work, the switch just turns the headlights on and off. The dimmer lights inside the instrument cluster don't work, and the bulbs are ok. Exhaust gasses are very smelly, stinky, any ideas? A diagram of the emission systems vaccum arrangement will be very helpfull. Needs new trim seals around everything. Wanted: A manual for this truck, I have a 1973 manual which just isn't the same. HELP........... --------------15B93D8D3E27--[Back to Top]
Date: 15 Dec 96 14:43:16 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: BOOKS FOR SICK KIDS
This was forwarded to me. Sounds like a good idea :)
> Subject: FW: BOOKS FOR SICK KIDS -Forwarded (fwd)
>
> If you can, please take the time to do this.
>
> Houghton Mifflin Publishing Corporation will donate one book to a
> children's hospital for every 25 e-mails they receive. Please e-mail them
> at:
> share-at-hmco.com.
>
> I hope you can spare the seconds . . . and let your friends know. So
> far they have only received 3, 400 messages. Last year they reached
> 23,000.
Karl Streich
79 Chief, 83 Wag
[Back to Top]Date: 15 Dec 96 15:31:05 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Need some small parts... Widetrac80-at-aol.com writes: >> Id bet these wheels have holes in the same place to mount the ones like your talking about. << Joe already clued you in. Those caps won't fit the 15x8" steel wheels. They are for the 15x6" mag. wheels. You need the ones for with machine screws that attach from the back of the wheels. Those are no longer avail. at your friendly neighborhood Jeep dealer. The caps for the 15x6" wheel are avail. Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> writes (same subject): >> I just bought the correct ones from Terry Rust << Terry, thanks again for the caps. I polished them and I think you'd be surprised how well they came-out. Something you probably couldn't see (because I didn't see it until I cleaned them up) was that one of the caps had smacked something and had a small dent in the outer lip. Since these things are made of pot metal, it was enough to crack everyone of the mounting posts on the back of the cap. I doctored it up and I think it'll hold-up as long as I don't hit anything with it again. I think I'll put a want back on the list for one more open cap just to have a spare in case. Didn't they come off '82 Wide-Track? I would install them but, I'm two jack stands short. I loaned 2 of them out and the other 4 are under the Honda. Dang, dang, dang. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 15-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F0009MGZHGcHKODEAC[Back to Top]
Date: 15 Dec 96 15:31:30 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: need more quantifiable data for comb john <john-at-> writes: >> the other thing you have to think about is that Steel "melts" at about 2700 F. << If you ignited the gasses and 100% of the heat energy was immediately absorbed into the metal, there wouldn't be any heat energy left over to overcome friction and pumping losses in the engine. It would die and probably seize because all the metal would be melted together. Remember only 1/3 of the heat energy is imparted to the metal. The metal components don't reach 4800 degrees. In fact the hottest running component is the exhaust valve. The top of the pistons reach about 550 degrees. >> Perhaps right at the initial flame front you might see high temperatures, but at the desired 14:1 mixture in normal atmosphere it's unlikely you'll see those kinds of temperatures... What is it, 74% Nitrogen and only about 8% Oxygen... << I would agree with you if you simply filled a chamber with air/fuel mixture at essentially static atmospheric pressure (probably a little less than) and lit a match. But, in the IC engine the air/fuel mixture is compressed at least 8 times before...actually it's much higher than that. In a running engine the dynamic compression ratio is much higher due to shorter times between events and fluid dynamics. The pressure in cylinder according to a graph I'm looking at drawn by Curtis Leaverton is approx. 250 psi just before ignition. Thats a dynamic compression ratio of 15 to 1 or better. It rises rapidly to more than 900 psi after ignition. I believe this data came from a stock SB chevy fitted with quartz transducers for temp. and pressure at every conceivable location in the intake, cylinders and exhaust. The figure represent peak values running at WOT on a dyno. Pressures in a 5,000 HP top fuel engine reach to more than 2,000 psi. Another IC engine guru name Larry Atherton claims that combustion temps. are 6,000 degrees F plus in performance engines. I can only convey what I have read since, I have never witnessed any dyno tests with engines fitted with a bunch of probes and hooked-up to as many computers :-). BRAKE BLEEDING: Below is the post on pushing that valve on the proportioning valve open. I made a mistake (surprise, surprise, surprise) and the little tool will hold the valve open, not closed, while you bleed the brakes. You could get your son to lay down there and hold it open with something but, he'll get tired of that long before you finish bleeding. Did you bench bleed the new master cylinder? I've seen the problem you describe when one of my friends around here installs a new one w/o doing a bench bleed. They usually come with plastic fitting and line to accomplish the bench bleed. If not, figure-out how to redirect the fluid coming out of the ports back into the reservoir. Old compression fittings from a junker with the steel tubing cut-off about an inch out will work with a rubber hose long enough to reach back up to the reservoir. Just keep pumping the cylinder for a few minutes and you'll get all the air out. John, when you bleed the brakes you need to make a special tool. There is a little valve behind a rubber boot on the front of the proportioning valve. The service manual calls for depressing that valve. Use a piece of metal strap with pre-punched holes about every inch like the kind used to hang garage door openers and garage door tracks. The strap should be about 1 1/2" wide and 6-8" long. Bend the strap in a vise at a 90 degree angle such that only a few inches are beyond the bend. The object is to bend the strap so there won't be a hole where the valve stem is (wouldn't push it down). Then use a cut-off wheel or whatever and cut the material out between about three or four of the holes creating a long slot in the center of the strap. Cut the strap behind the slot. Unbolt the side bolt on the proportioning valve and slide the strap under the bolt. Push it back until it holds the valve closed and tighten the bolt. You should crawl under and make some measurements with a tape because I'm guessing at the measurements above. You'll see what I'm trying to describe and it'll all make sense. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 15-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F0019MGcHGlMG64HHFEMIC3HPB7HT|6120[Back to Top]
Date: 15 Dec 96 15:31:13 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Cruise Control's common malfunctions? Widetrac80-at-aol.com writes: >> My Cruise has never worked, but it is all there, I dont have the foggiest idea on how to troubleshoot it, I cant fit under the hood! any advice? << Hey guys, when did AMC quit using the cruise brain that mounts on the left inner fender and go to the one that mounts under the dash? Widetrac, if you have the one that mounts on the fender in the engine compartment; I'd give you a 90% probability that is your problem. The brain originally on the Chero. still works great. The one in the Wag. has given-up. The are no longer avail. from the dealer. In the interest of my "mostly resto./some custom" project, I managed to locate 2 NOS brains. One for the Chero. and one for the Wag. ($85 ea. if I remember correctly). But, In the case of the older style cruise set-up; I would probably ditch the factory thing as upgrade to something that you'll be able to find parts for. There is a source listing on my home page for a aftermarket cruise control manufacturer. Maybe they'll be able to get you set-up with something similar. Speaking of hard to find NOS parts, I'm about to do my usual fax thing with a list of desired NOS stuff. I have not failed yet to locate the parts I need right down to the color coordinated glove box handles. If you have anything you need, e-mail by tomorrow morn. and I'll add it to my list. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 15-Dec-1996 !^NavFont01F000AMGZHGcHK461D99[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:25:05 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Re: Carbs At 2:38 AM 12/15/96, John or Jenn wrote: >>I've had both carbs, a 750 double pumper and a QJ, I prefer the QJ >>when setup properly. From my reading in the Quadra-Jet book I > >a 750 is kinda too big for a 360, doncha think? A lot of people (hot >rodders, I'm talking about here) get 750 double pumpers, hi-rise manifolds, >wild cams, high-stall converters, etc., then find out the thing sucks on >the street... > >600 cfm is probably the way to go for most folks. I agree. The 4011 does not come in 600 cfm so I went for the 650. >The nice thing about the Rochester Quadrajet is that the primaries are >itty-bitty, so if you can stay out of the secondaries, you'll probably >see an increase in fuel economy! :-) Yep, that's the theory! :=) BTW, the Holley 4010 is square bore; the 4011 is spread bore (w/ smaller secondaries). The 4011 is the correct replacement for the Qjet. Later! ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:25:10 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Re: Rebuilt carbs At 12:03 AM 12/15/96, Joe Sego wrote: >At 11:49 PM 12/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >>I don't know from experience, but a Buick guy recommended Brad >>Urbansky(i?), a shop in CA, for Qjet rebiulds. Buick GS fans seem to >>strongly believe that a well-rebuilt Qjet will work much better than a >>Holley. I'd take them up on that but I'm happy with my Holley 4011 that I >>purchased prior to the Urbansky(i?) recommendation. >> >>Later! >> >I've had both carbs, a 750 double pumper and a QJ, I prefer the QJ >when setup properly. From my reading in the Quadra-Jet book I >have, it should be an excellant carb for an FSJ. The only flaw I >am aware of on a QJ is the plastic coated float, the metal float >is much better. There is no sound quite like the secondaries opening >a QJ on a cool quiet nite...wow!!!!!! > >C'ya >Joe- True. I ran the Qjet for about 2 weeks before I replaced it. During that time I was intent on justifying the 4-barrel manifold upgrade (in which the legendary Buster McCusker threw in the Qjet for free). As Mark will attest, I NEVER have Ole Bessy at WOT but cam close a couple of times during those 2 weeks. You're right; the Qjet makes a muy excelente sound. Later! ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: 16 Dec 1996 07:00:22 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: FSJ Carburetors Hey, we're all just some guys... Thanks for the input, now all I need is a Performer intake! On Dec 14, 10:34pm, Jen Hen wrote: > Subject: Re: FSJ Carburetors > > Jeff, Mark and I are both using new-generation Holley 40xx series carbs. > They work very well right out of the box. Heck, I think Mark put maga miles > on his Wag and never had to do any adjustments. I've tuned mine a couple of > times only because when I first installed it I had a > brand-new-but-still-defective (Mr. Gasket) coil and wanted to optimize the > carb after I replaced the brand-new-but-still-defective (Mr. Gasket) coil. > They're extra nice since the throttle body and float body are one piece. No > carb gaskets beneath the fuel level (except for the carb-to-manifold > gasket, which doesn't really count). ~$200 from Summit. Nice polished body, > too. Comes in square bore of spread bore depending on what year FSJ you > have. Not CA smog legal, of course. Only complaint is that I do have slight > seepage around the throttle shaft. Otherwise, highly recommended by me. But > then again, who am I? Just some guy. > > Later! > > > At 4:30 PM 12/14/96, Mark Wallace wrote: > >On 13 Dec 1996, Jeff Gunn wrote: > > > >> > >> On Dec 13, 2:10pm, dmatheny-at-mutoh.com wrote: > >> > Subject: FSJ Carburetors > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I recently rebuilt my 2100 2 barrel out of '77 J-20, 360 ci. I was > >> > hoping to fix some acceleration problems. After putting in the > >> rebuild > > > ><Snip> > >> > >> > related, so I got it idling and started spraying WD-40 around the > >> carb. > >> > It looks like there is a pretty fair leak around the throttle valve > >> > shaft. I tested the cranking vacuum as indicated in the service > >> manual. > >> > It has about 7 inches when it should have about 9. > >> > > > > >I've heard of this condition referred to as The Slobbering Holley. It's > >pretty common...Usually meands that you need to re-bush the throttle > >shaft. > > > >> > Could the throttle valve shaft leak cause these problems? > >> You can buy a buching for the throttle shaft and replace it yourself, or > >> so I have heard. I know some of the guys who have been around awhile > >> can help. I think Mark Wallace has covered this before, he may be able > >> to shed some light here. > >> > > > >Mine Had the high altitude Motorcraft 2150...Great Carb, just wasn't a > >Holley Four Barrel. I think I used a Big A rebuild kit on it. I think I > >ran that engine another year before I did the big rebuild and put the > >Holley on it...Come to think of it The 90 GW had the Exact same high > >altitude Motorcraft 2150 (re-jetted too lean) I rebuilt that one with I > >think a NAPA rebuild kit. Both Identical kits as far as I could see. > >Neither of those carbs was in that bad of condition. The 90 GW didn't > >have strong enogugh springs in holding the air bleed screws though...and > >the screws were under these stupid tamper resistant things...Mixture was > >way off...I just swapped the springs from a Carter Carb that I had off of > >my Plymouth. I think my Dad's 78 Ford Thunderbird (yuck) had the same > >carb. A previous owner had modified certain parts of that car such that > >it smoked like a train and left a big black spot on the pavement whenever > >it was running. > > > >> On the > >> > assumption that it could, I looked around for a place that can fix the > >> > >> > carb and found Pony Carburetors. They seem very knowledgeable about > >> this > >> > carb and claim to remanufacture it better than new for $150 ($210 to > >> > >> > remanufacture and concours(?) plate) > >> > > > > >Holley actually remanufactures carbs...They come in a Box that says > >Holley II. They remanufacture stuff that wasn't even theirs to begin > >with. > > > >> > >> I, personally, am skeptical of carb repair shops. Have never heard of > >> anyone who got a good carb from any rebuild shop. > >> > >I'd say get a couple of reliable refrences, or do it yourself. > > > > > >> > Is it worth it to fix this carb? > >> > > >> > Maybe it's time to think about upgrading to a four barrel carb/intake > >> > >> > manifold. Any ideas on what that would cost? I've heard bad reviews > >> of > >> > the Motorcraft 4350 that AMC used, but Pony Carburetors thinks it's a > >> > >> > great carb. What do you think? > >> > > > > >Holley Four Barrel and Edelbrock Performer will be tough to beat. > > > >> > > >> > I already have a high volume mechanical fuel pump. > >> > > >> > Thanks for any input! > >> > > >> > Dan - '77 J-20 (likes to stall), '95 Grand Cherokee V8 > >> > > >> >-- End of excerpt from dmatheny-at-mutoh.com > >> > >> > >> Good luck, I need to do these things myself in the near future, so be > >> sure to share what you find! > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Jeff > >> '78 Cherokee > >> 2-barrel > >> > >> > >Later > > > >Mark > >(Who has a great carb and a great manifold, but needs a crank and a tranny) > > > > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the > >>command > >> "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- > >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > ============================================================= > Henry & Jennifer Padilla > '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser > '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo > home: jenhen-at-neca.com > work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >-- End of excerpt from Jen Hen[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 19:17:29 -0500 From: jenhen-at-neca.com (Jen Hen) Subject: Shocking news from Jen Guess what everybody! We were in East Hampton (which, BTW, is west of Hampton) coming back victorious from our quest for a heavy duty cast iron Christmas tree stand (the last one we had was cheesy and collapsed under the tree). We passed a blue GW with a "for sale" sign on it and I gazed lovingly at it as I always do when passing GWs. As I always do, I muttered something like, "do you want one of those?". This time, though, Jen must have been feeling saucy because she said something like, "sure, stop and see how much they want"!!! So I turned the Jeep around and stopped to check out the GW. After perusing it for a while I called the guy and he came over to show it. '89, woody (of course?), 126,000 miles, the rear quarters are rust-free, body's great except for a small crease in the LR door. The original paint has faded around the rear corners of the hood. The interior's great. The exhaust tip is rusted off and the muffler has a small hole. Not critical and doesn't sound loud/bad (sorry Mark) but it will need a new muffler/tailpipe. Evidence of leaks (don't know how bad but they don't drip when the engine's running) below the oil filter and engine/trans mating areas. The underhood area looks clean. Let it get up to operating temp and drove it. It drives well. Very slight rattles while going over bumps. No shimmies at low speed. Didn't get up to highway speed but climbed a couple of hills. Transmission up/downshifted well. Lifter noise. Very slight belt squeal while decelerating. Moved the knob into 4WD and the 4WD light lit up but I didn't get a chance to actually test it out in 4WD in the mud. Brakes work well (ahhh, discs...). Steering ratio on these things is quick (I never got the chance to drive Marks so I didn't know what to expect)! While driving the steering seems to want to "center" itself. Very much unlike Ole Bessy. Is this a bad thing? The parking brake slows it down but doesn't hold it even at idle. Anyway, Jen likes the look. I always thought she didn't like Wags for herself because of their size. But just when I thought there was nothing new to learn about her she shocks me by saying that she'd like to have a GW. I'm thinking of giving it a week and then calling back. I would like to drive this thing at highway speeds and do a vaccuum test prior to considering a purchase. He wants $5,500 OBO. I have no idea how flexible he is but I guess I'd start at $4,500. We are not in a hurry to buy anything right now but we are casually thinking about a "new" 4WD since the old Escort wagon that I just inherited from her has transmission troubles and the 2-door Cherokee is too small for her, the two babies, and all the baby accessories. Last I'd heard, she wanted either a new Cherokee or a LR Disco. Now it might be a GW! Has the list ever come up with a "Wagoneer buyer's checklist"? Things to check out when considering a Wag? Some examples could be: +Check for moisture under the carpet in the corners of the front footwells. +Check for rust/body filler/bubbling paint on the rear quartpanels. +Check for floorboards. +Check for a Buick 350 under the hood. That sort of thing. What you you all think? Later! ============================================================= Henry & Jennifer Padilla '68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser '89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo home: jenhen-at-neca.com work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:05:55 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu> Subject: Re: FSJ pics On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Ron wrote: > Brian Riggs wrote: > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > I was just cruisin' the web here at work and found some pics of an FSJ. > > http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/gallery.html > > > > Brian > > Those are some good pictures. From work? sounds like my kind of job. > > > -- > , > ___ |___ > | _ \_/ /--| /\ > |/ \___// \L / \ /\ > Ron \_/ \_/ / \/ \ > ------------------------/ \ \ > Ya, I get a few minutes of play time every now and then, one of the perks of working in a computer support group. Brian[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:53:48 -0600 From: jorden-at-mopac.amd.com (Pat Jorden) Subject: AT kickdown, FSJ carb problems, emmissions in texas, differential test?, comb. temps, texas towns, snow in austin! hi Gang! ******* AT kickdown: ******* Zack and Ken; an earlier post mentioned that the many cherokees have an electric kickdown, mine does, and it is always "kicked down", I have to pull the connector off of the side of the transmission so that it will shift up from first... where does this go to? ******* FSJ carb problems: ******* regarding complaint of poor acceleration; I know my carb had a number of vacuum leaks from cracked hoses, poor seal to mainifold. You might just plug the non-essential hose fittings (all fittings except for distributor advance line) and see if things improve. also, might check to see if timing does advance properly, (use timing light). Then you might investigate power valve. I am planning to put my old power valve back in because the one that came with the rebuild kit isnt the two stage variety. (thanks to Michael Baxter for response, and others too). My '74 cherokee now starts easier than my 86 toyota on any day. PS: We got snow this morning! big deal in Austin.... ******* Emmissions Checking, Texas: ******* I know Dallas checks emmissions, I know of someone who registered his vehicles in a different county to relieve some of the stress from trying to get older vehicles inspected. Austin doesn't do it yet. don't know about Houston. ******* Mr Feick: ******* What is the differential test? ******* Regarding combustion temps: ******* to show my ignorance, i was extremely supprised to notice that the muffler on my lawn mower was glowing a bright cherry red one night (i've never had the occassion before to mow in the dark). I mean it was really glowing, just like ol Rudolf's nose. so, i can believe that exhaust temps are high, but, i cannot comment at this point on _how_ hot. I wonder if a thermocouple inserted in the exhaust stream would provide any useful info... ******* more texas towns: ******* Muleshoe Happy Earth Paduka Creedmore Tulia Midland ******* I am now reading posts by DIGEST mode, as if you couldn't tell by my responses above,... sorry if the subjects are old... ******* PS: We got snow this morning! big deal in Austin.... -pat j. kc5huc[Back to Top]
Date: 16 Dec 1996 06:47:34 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: which FSJ did your wife love???? On Dec 14, 1:08pm, Michael Baxter wrote: > Subject: Re: which FSJ did your wife love???? > > Widetrac80-at-aol.com writes: > > >> I assume Mr. Baxter, that you are talking about Jeep Decals? << > > Yes, the white Indian motif stripes that say Cherokee on the front fenders, > transition into dark gold & black SW design, go around the tailgate and then > in inverse order up the opposite side. Stay tuned. > > -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter > From Reno, NV USA on 14-Dec-1996 > >-- End of excerpt from Michael Baxter Oops...my Jeep has black and white all the way around. Maybe someone could post a picture of the decals on one of the group's Web Pages, or send me a photo. I'm guessing that it would probably go OK with my beige Cherokee 4-dr. By the way, are the decals precut for 2 or 4 doors, or are they one piece and cut to fit? Jeff Gunn[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:13:07 -0600 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: J-10 Was A Dog. You know, it really pisses me off when I drive an hour-and-a-half to look at some J-10 that some jerk has lied about the condition of! This guy tells me it is rust free with no body damage, good interior and runs great. 1) Not rust free. The bed was nothing but rust, couldn't see any paint. 2) Body was beat to pieces. All rocker panels pushed up with *serious* damage to the lower left, rear corner of the cab. Large dents on bed and tailgate- basketball size. Big dent in hood. 3) Interior had some kind of puke yellow indoor/outdoor carpet which I am assuming was not standard. Soaking wet around the doors. Floor panels rusted out. Polyester seat cover, covering god knows what. 4) Ran like crap and was coated with oil underneath. I couldn't even crawl underneath it was dripping so badly after being parked only 10 minutes! I didn't even bother to drive it. What a jerk. What a complete ankle-biter. $3500? More like $1000 and thats being generous. I'm getting sick and tired of people lying about the condition of their vehicles for sale. Do they think I'll show up and not notice? Do they think I'll buy it just to make them feel good? That creep had the gall to say that I "...wanted something pretty." No not really, just something that won't have to be scrapped in a month. Terry. You know where a decent '78 is located? Where be it?! John Brewer "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:52:19 -0500 From: Gary Sanders <gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com> Subject: 1 down, more to go. Weather was nice around here (central Ohio) this weekend and I was able to get the carbeurator off my 86GW 358-I6 and and replaced it with a Holly rebult Carter BBD. Aside from one of the back nuts being a bitch to get at all went well. FSJ is running better but still has some problems. I check a number of the vacuum lines and replaced one but still no help. I started looking at check the engine timing but has a few questions (YEA i know I have a lot). I can see the markings on the pully and on the engine but I cant read the markings. The timing is suppose to be 8deg(from memory, books out in garage) before TDC, but how can I tell 8 from anthing else. I have to look down at the engine markings. Any tricks to getting a view of the marks without getting my head cut off by a fan blade? Gary W. Sanders gws-at-n8emr.nitetech.com packet: N8EMR -at- W8CQK Voice: 614-895-2552 (eves/weekends) "I want to be a nonconformist, just like all my friends"[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:28:34 -0600 From: Alan Bennett <bennetta-at-ns.nque.com> Subject: etch primer Jen Hen wrote: > > Wow, you tired ME out with that virtual journey. Stay indoors, the > estimated price is enough. I'm going to order the calipers and master > cylinder this week. Just went to NAPA today and ordered metal etch and > primer. Will probably go w/ chassis black on the suspension and frame. > > Later! > Might want to watch the metal etch primer if applied with air powered gun, I can't say for sure (never tried it) but a body man told me it will eat into the metal gun. The body man recommended a plastic container for the paint. Just something I was told. Later Alan Bennett[Back to Top]
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:22:29 -0800
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Here is a lost lamb, think we can *help* him? ;-)
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From: "J. Frosch" <frosch-at-alpha.wcoil.com>
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Subject: Jeep Wagoneers
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:10:55 +0000
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Hey Jeep fans how about a little background?
We've a wee one on the way and the wife is making four door noises.
I've aways been a truck guy at heart and have always wanted a Jeep.
Local lot just got in a (what is claimed) to be a 1991 Jeep Grand
Wagonneer. Big mutha, didn't know they made the big ones that recently.
This isn't your Yuppie-style Cherokee type sport ute. It's one
heavy mother of a full-size Jeep wagoneer, 360, leather interior, tow
package, etc.
I dont know much about these and would like more info. Can you
help? When did they begin making these? What is good/bad? Years to
seek/avoid? Experiences with?
I've been cruising web sites without much luck. Seems like all Jeep
Wranglers and Cherokees.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff F.
frosch-at-alpha.wcoil.com
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:59:00 -0600 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: J-10 Was A Dog. You know, it really pisses me off when I drive an hour-and-a-half to look at some J-10 that some jerk has lied about the condition of! This guy tells me it is rust free with no body damage, good interior and runs great. 1) Not rust free. The bed was nothing but rust, couldn't see any paint. 2) Body was beat to pieces. All rocker panels pushed up with *serious* damage to the lower left, rear corner of the cab. Large dents on bed and tailgate- basketball size. Big dent in hood. 3) Interior had some kind of puke yellow indoor/outdoor carpet which I am assuming was not standard. Soaking wet around the doors. Floor panels rusted out. Polyester seat cover, covering god knows what. 4) Ran like crap and was coated with oil underneath. I couldn't even crawl underneath it was dripping so badly after being parked only 10 minutes! I didn't even bother to drive it. What a jerk. What a complete ankle-biter. $3500? More like $1000 and thats being generous. I'm getting sick and tired of people lying about the condition of their vehicles for sale. Do they think I'll show up and not notice? Do they think I'll buy it just to make them feel good? That creep had the gall to say that I "...wanted something pretty." No not really, just something that won't have to be scrapped in a month. Terry. You know where a decent '78 is located? Where be it?! John Brewer "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 13:55:51 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re:doogie's goodies
At 03:51 AM 12/15/96 -0500, John Mettler wrote:
>
> Speaking of parts, I just got home from work, and before I left I went up
>In the attic of the building to see again what all they have up there, man
>what a waste, fenders, front doors, rear doors,(at LEAST 3 each), some of
>them are E-dipped and a couple doors are bare metal, a hood, I don't
>remember seeing any tailgates up there, there was a sand color power seat
>and other odds and ends different models etc.
>
>That of coarse is above and beyond the 2 full body's in the basement, sorry
>to get this going again I just can't believe, all this stuff just lying
>around, when there is soooo many needy family's. Especially around
>Christmas :)
>>Doogie
Doogie,
Most businesses have a surplus sale, or garage sale every now and then.
Managers like this because they get inventory off the books and get something
back from the materials, frees up space and adds revenue...
Maybe you could generate an inventory sheet of these items and hold an
internet auction, each of us bidding something for items that we need.
Perhaps the items could be delivered with normal delivery along with other
dealer shipments...
You'd be a hero, you'd be doing good things for your companies image and
helping folks like Ken who can't buy parts at the dealer anymore... :)
This is a classic win-win. WE win, the company wins, the factory frees up
space and wins...
On the unserialized bodies, that should not be a problem. Most states allow
for custom vehicles. A federal waiver should be obtainable considering the
circumstances... The feds are the problem because of emissions and all that
rot. But one or two bodies sold off should be no problem... just a little
red tape is all... :)
I'm sure doc won't mind filling out the paperwork for both of them... :)
The only problem is doc won't know he's filling out the paperwork until
after new years day... but that's ok, you can send it directly to his place:
doc, 2nd floor apt, Side Street, Orlando, FL 32972... :)
later,
john
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81 (SJ) & 88 (XJ) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
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