Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:48:38 -0600 From: Matt Kirkwood <kirkwood-at-lsil.com> Subject: Re: (Potentially) Silly Question Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney wrote: > > >Matt Kirkwood wrote: > >Wow, this must have been a really silly question. Nobody responded. It > >must be safe to assume that all SJ's were 4WD. > > > > NO,NO,NO Matt, you might them assume that they only made 4-door > FSJs, and we definitely know there were some door shortages during the > production run. > Its possible that they not only forgot two doors, but may have built 2WD > versions as well when parts shortages were critical. I think they called those > 'Cherokees' or something like that. > I wouldn't know :) > mick OH, Now I get it. If I were considering some kind of inferior vehicle with a manufacturing defect like missing doors, I might also have to worry about the drivetrain. If the factory missed doors, they could have easily left out things like transfer cases. Heck, you can't even see the transfercase without making an effort to do so. QA could easily forget to check for a front differential if they forgot to count the doors. -Matt kirkwood-at-LSIL.com Glad I'm looking for Grand Wagoneers, with 4 whole doors. I'll be sure to watch for those Cherokee things though. Somebody might try to slip one by me. :-}[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:51:18 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: why joe is cold and gp, the story...
I'll have to double check my military driver's license,
but i think they still refer to vehicles in such ways..
General Purpose 1/4Ton, Utility (aka Jeep)
General Purpose, 2 - 1/2T Utility (or something like that) (aka deuce & a half...)
I'll look tonight, I found it while cleaning up my office... :)
I think that Ackerson also told the same story, and I recall reading about it
in my TM for drivers... (technical Manual)
john
>
> I heard they were never actualy called general Purpose..and that in that era
> anything out of the ordinary was called jeep...always 50 versions of these
> Jeep origination stories though :)
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:53:31 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: why joe is cold and gp, the story...
> >> Speaking of Jeep, anyone know where that name came from? I heard
> >> the explanation the other nite on 4x4 Ever. Very interesting.
> >> C'ya > Joe-
> >
> >The name Jeep is supposedly the phonetic spelling of the military acronym for
> >what these vehicles were used for: General Purpose blankety blank... or
> >in militarese: GP, geeeee - p.
> >
> >Is that what you heard?
> >john
> >
> John, you are exactly right! GP for general purpose, in 1945 or 46
> I think. Really cool GP=Jeep
>
> btw my GP won't start this morning!! All I here is the
> solenoid clicking......whats next? Just plugged in the
> block heater, will wait a while and see what happens.
> Yea I know, shoulda done that last nite :-)
>
> C'ya
> Joe-
>
> -guess I need to find a tougher question, you answered that
> WAY to quick-
what can I say... I was trained... :) or indoctrinated or something
like that... funny thing is I'm licensed (or was) for a whole range
of military vehicles, but I never got a chance to drive 'em... :(
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:03:15 -0600 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: Re:BSME At 9:50 AM 12/19/96, john wrote: >> >I assume you also have a BS ME since you were asking about mine? All us >> >Jeepers are technical in one way or the other... >> >Jeff >> >> Gotta love it. >> >> John Brewer, BS Physics, MSAE, Auburn University >> "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." >> Benjamin Franklin > >what's your Masters of Science in, Applied Engineering? > a Physicist amongst us, cool.... do you have long hair too? >some of my favorite people at Intel were the physicists... > >john AE in this sense stands for Aerospace Engineering. At present I build rockets (inside a computer primarily) for the government (when I'm not screwing around on the net). I guess that makes me a rocket scientist. My hair is not long, though there is a surjective, injective mapping between myself and those types who actually DO have the long hair. John Brewer -faking my way through life... "They key to success in life is convincing those around you that you are a whole lot smarter than you really are." - John Brewer '96 "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:55:41 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: the dinged door...
I finally looked at Mick's dinged door... not too bad...
nice looking rig, other than the vertical crease... :)
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:41:51 -0600 From: Matt Kirkwood <kirkwood-at-lsil.com> Subject: Re: why joe is cold and gp, the story... john wrote: > The name Jeep is supposedly the phonetic spelling of the military acronym for > what these vehicles were used for: General Purpose blankety blank... or > in militarese: GP, geeeee - p. > > Is that what you heard? I've heard that the GP=JEEP thing is false. "G" was Ford's prefix for all government vehicles and "P" supposedly meant 80" (or whatever) wheelbase 4WD vehicle. Seems like too much coincidence to be false though. I've also heard that the jeep character in Popeye was the foundation of the name. The jeep character was a small, omnipotent (sorta) thing, kinda like a Jeep (small is a relative term. FSJ's are small compared to a Suburban). -Matt kirkwood-at-LSIL.com[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:11:00 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: SV: possible collection drive... >Look here: http://home.sol.no/falmaas/fsjfrom.htm > >That's 38's on a four door :-)) > >Frank >Norway RATS!!! 38's on a 4 door, I was hoping for a beautiful blonde sitting on the hood :-) Instead I get a dirty old "GP" <BG> C'ya Joe-[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:54:58 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Alm=E5s?=" <falmaas-at-online.no> Subject: SV: temperature... ---------- > Fra: john <john-at-> > Til: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Emne: Re: temperature... > Dato: 19. desember 1996 00:15 > > > > > lines...too bad its' going down to 7 degrees tonite! > > My 26 x 36 garage has heat, but, at those temps it don't > > work too good, neither do I for that matter :-) > > C'ya > > Joe- > > I think it's about 7 degrees here too. Celius that is... :) > > john > John that's summer, it's now reading minus 18 degrees Celsius here Frank Norway > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:57:02 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Alm=E5s?=" <falmaas-at-online.no> Subject: SV: freeze spray? At least it can in Norway Frank Norway ---------- > Fra: john <john-at-> > Til: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Emne: Re: freeze spray? > Dato: 19. desember 1996 00:28 > > > I used to use this stuff all the time troubleshooting TV's and electronic > stuff. Can it still be purchased??? It was simply freon... > > john > > > > > The electronic ignition module and the reluctor in the distributor can > > sometimes get bad only when they are warm. If the truck takes a while to > > get started after it dies this could be the problem? You could check that > > by having a can of freeze-spray and when the engine dies spray it in the > > ignition control module to get it cold and try to start the engine. If it > > don't start spray the reluctor in the distributor and try to start. If it > > starts after those test you COULD have your problem pinned down. > > > > Just a long distance thought > > > > Frank > > Norway > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Jesus is the REASON FOR THE SEASON - He came, lived, died, rose, & will return. > He conquered sin & death: now we can have PEACE & Eternal Life. > the just shall live by faith... > mas el justo vivira por fe... > der gerechte wird aus glauben leben... > ho de dikaios ek pisteos zesetai... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > http://www./~john john-at- > Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold. > 81 (SJ) & 88 (xj) Jeep Wagoneer Limited > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:10:34 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frank_Alm=E5s?=" <falmaas-at-online.no> Subject: SV: compressor NO! Frank Norway ---------- > Fra: Widetrac80-at-aol.com > Til: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Emne: Re: compressor > Dato: 19. desember 1996 09:26 > > Do any of the electric compressors that dont cost half the trucks value match > the output of the AC compressor? Which electric can someone recommend? Id > like to get an AC just to put on my old beater ford truck, mainly to air up > tires for my jeep! > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:18:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Re:BSME >What 3 things you need to know to be a plumber; > >1. Sh*t flows down hill >2. The boss is a S-O-B >3. Payday is on Friday > >That's it, you're all now official plumbers >:-) > You need one more: 4. Wash your hands before you eat! -Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: flare wars > > Not big enough for a dually, Oh God, now someone's going to do that > to their widetrack. It doesn't bear thinking about. Now its about time you I actually considered putting duallies on my 67... :) thought it would be pretty cool, and really get some traction for those trails... would be kind of wild looking too, don'tcha think??? ok, I'll go back to the Diesel thread... :) john[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:21:05 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: SV: QT lift & Drool-causing wagoneer >I didn't do anything with the driveline when I lifted mine 4". It has been >used for heavy off-roading for four years without having any trouble at >all. I have twisted a couple of drive-shafts but that had nothing to do >with the lift(just abuse, it has always happend after jumping the Wag). The >only interference I saw was with the front >drive-shaft and the stock exhaust cross-pipe. > >Frank >Norway Frank, I have a question, what is done to lift a body 4"? is it new springs, shocks, etc? All this talk of lifts and I have no idea how its really done. (is my ignornace showing again?) Thanks, Joe- -10 wind chill in Indy[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:29:46 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Light Bar Stuff
mounting on an aftermarket luggage rack would work...
around here low hanging branches tend to remove such accessories...
although on my 67 I did create a light bar from a pair of roof rack clamps
and a piece of equipment rack. Also used a garage door hinge to make it
fold back if hit by a branch... used a bungee cord to keep it in place...
still have the pencil beam... problem with pencil beams is they produce
a very narrow light output, so they have to be adjustable...
john
>
> Regarding this talk about light bars.
> How about mounting lights on the roof rack?
> Not stock rack. Aftermarket, like Garvin Industries Or Con-Ferr?
> I was thinking of mounting two pencil beam lights on tabs in the front of
> the rack and two flood lights on the back angled down and wire them
> into the backup circuit.
> Anybody try this?
> Rick - Jeepin by the Sea
john,
jeepin in the woods, by the sea, in the mountains and in the mud...
oh yeah, and on the roads too...
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: 100 MSGS/DAY !! make that 101... :) john[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:41:29 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: add a leaf... i see warn add a leaves for fsj priced as $55 for front and $57 for rear, is that a set ?or is it gonna cost me $200 bucks...also my widetrac looks to have a 2 inch body lift..is this factory? Ive never looked at the body mounts on any other fsj, but these are tall...they are also worn out, could I replace with more rubber ones?, I dont want the glass impregenated I figure they will ride too rough..Also would one inch taller body mounts require many other modifications? I have an ignition miss I cant cure, Jacobs would be really nice, but $, will MSD or ACCEL, work about the same?[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:37:38 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Re:BSME
>
> At 9:50 AM 12/19/96, john wrote:
> >> John Brewer, BS Physics, MSAE, Auburn University
> >> "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
> >> Benjamin Franklin
>
> AE in this sense stands for Aerospace Engineering. At present I build
> rockets (inside a computer primarily) for the government (when I'm not
> screwing around on the net). I guess that makes me a rocket scientist.
>
> My hair is not long, though there is a surjective, injective mapping
> between myself and those types who actually DO have the long hair.
>
> John Brewer -faking my way through life...
>
> "They key to success in life is convincing those around you that you are a
> whole lot smarter than you really are." - John Brewer '96
>
>
> "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
> Benjamin Franklin
the Bible makes it pretty clear in Proverbs... says something to the effect
that if you keep your mouth shut folks will think you're wise... other variants
go something like, if you look like a fool, don't open your mouth and remove
all doubt... :)
so we may not have a physicist, but at least we have a rocket scientist...
cool.
john
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Then the sixth was next to go, and I remained silent, as I was not on trial
They took away the fourth, and I said nothing, as I had nothing to hide
And then they came for the First, and I could say nothing."
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:40:34 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: why joe is cold and gp, the story... > > john wrote: > > The name Jeep is supposedly the phonetic spelling of the military acronym for > > what these vehicles were used for: General Purpose blankety blank... or > > in militarese: GP, geeeee - p. > > Is that what you heard? > > I've heard that the GP=JEEP thing is false. "G" was Ford's prefix for > all government vehicles and "P" supposedly meant 80" (or whatever) > wheelbase 4WD vehicle. Seems like too much coincidence to be false > though. military aircraft have similar designators. weren't there three competitors': bantam, ford and willys? or more? or less? > > I've also heard that the jeep character in Popeye was the foundation of > the name. The jeep character was a small, omnipotent (sorta) thing, > kinda like a Jeep (small is a relative term. FSJ's are small compared > to a Suburban). > -Matt > kirkwood-at-LSIL.com didn't this come later? john[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 15:42:02 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: add a leaf... At 02:41 PM 12/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >i see warn add a leaves for fsj priced as $55 for front and $57 for rear, is >that a set ?or is it gonna cost me $200 bucks...also my widetrac looks to That would be $112 total, front and back. I have an article on the fsj web page about installing them. I ordered mine from Summit, had em the next day. >have a 2 inch body lift..is this factory? Ive never looked at the body mounts >on any other fsj, but these are tall...they are also worn out, could I On my Chief the body mount rubber discs are abot 1" or so thick. >replace with more rubber ones?, I dont want the glass impregenated I figure >they will ride too rough..Also would one inch taller body mounts require many If you are concerned about ride, don't doo add-a-leafs, they really stiffened the ride on my j-10 >other modifications? I have an ignition miss I cant cure, Jacobs would be >really nice, but $, will MSD or ACCEL, work about the same? > MSD is supposed to be good, dunno if it's better than the Jacobs setup, going strictly by price the Jacobs would be the best. >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:48:30 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: Re: add a leaf... I put Warn 2" add-a-leaves on my '78 Wag. Got them from Summit Racing for the prices that you mention, $112 total. Am very happy with them so far, easy install and was able to easily fit 31x10.5r15 BFG ATs on the factory 7" wheels. Have seen threads mentioning that add-a-leaves will potentially bend the factory springs in the oppisite direction. I can see this happening only in the rear since the front add-a-leaves are well proportioned to the length of the factory front spings (I have the factory 2 leaf with sway bar front spring setup), but so far I have not noticed any problems. c-ya, Whit. Steve Whitney, '78 Wag Sunny and warm Tucson, AZ swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov > > i see warn add a leaves for fsj priced as $55 for front and $57 for rear, is > that a set ?or is it gonna cost me $200 bucks...also my widetrac looks to > have a 2 inch body lift..is this factory? Ive never looked at the body mounts > on any other fsj, but these are tall...they are also worn out, could I > replace with more rubber ones?, I dont want the glass impregenated I figure > they will ride too rough..Also would one inch taller body mounts require many > other modifications? I have an ignition miss I cant cure, Jacobs would be > really nice, but $, will MSD or ACCEL, work about the same? >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:49:04 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: questions
>
> i see warn add a leaves for fsj priced as $55 for front and $57 for rear, is
> that a set ?or is it gonna cost me $200 bucks...also my widetrac looks to
no, that's per pair - you'll need a pr for each end, so 112 bucks...
> have a 2 inch body lift..is this factory? Ive never looked at the body mounts
> on any other fsj, but these are tall...they are also worn out, could I
> replace with more rubber ones?, I dont want the glass impregenated I figure
not sure...
sounds about right.
> they will ride too rough..Also would one inch taller body mounts require many
ken suggests lowering the steering column... get the video.
> other modifications? I have an ignition miss I cant cure, Jacobs would be
> really nice, but $, will MSD or ACCEL, work about the same?
I'm using Jacobs coil & wires. really does help. the wires typically run about
$75 or so and the std type coil $20 ro $30... I've had mine for years...
had it on several vehicles...
john
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Jesus is the REASON FOR THE SEASON - He came, lived, died, rose, & will return.
He conquered sin & death: now we can have PEACE & Eternal Life.
the just shall live by faith...
mas el justo vivira por fe...
der gerechte wird aus glauben leben...
ho de dikaios ek pisteos zesetai...
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http://www./~john john-at-
Snohomish, WA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold.
81 (SJ) & 88 (xj) Jeep Wagoneer Limited
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:02:21 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: Re: add a leaf... In a message dated 96-12-19 15:55:29 EST, you write: << >replace with more rubber ones?, I dont want the glass impregenated I figure >they will ride too rough..Also would one inch taller body mounts require many If you are concerned about ride, don't doo add-a-leafs, they really stiffened the ride on my j-10 >> I can live with a -little- harsher ride, thats why im concerned about the body mounts.. Will the add a leaf make me buy a kidney belt? It rides great now, considering it needs tires and shocks...[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:07:01 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: Widetrac owners help Will someone with a widetrac tell me how thick the spacers are on your truck? mine are around 2 inches...I cant figure if someone put a body lift on it...or if it came this way, dont have anybody local with a widetrac to confirm.. thanks![Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:09:08 -0500 From: Widetrac80-at-aol.com Subject: Re: add a leaf... My rear sags a little more than the front already, could I add some slightly longer spring shackles to level? I am hesitant to use blocks as I tow stuff frequently..[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:21:03 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: add a leaf... >I can live with a -little- harsher ride, thats why im concerned about the >body mounts.. Will the add a leaf make me buy a kidney belt? It rides great >now, considering it needs tires and shocks... > Well I don't think thats necessary. :-) But it did stiffen it a bit. My j-10 always seemed to have a bounce to it. Like the FS Chevy Blazer we had. Coffee would always spill out of the cup holder, even on the highways. I don't notice this at all with the Cherokee and it's a shorter wheelbase...go figure. C'ya Joe -14 F with wind chill now > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:25:22 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: Widetrac owners help At 04:07 PM 12/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >Will someone with a widetrac tell me how thick the spacers are on your truck? >mine are around 2 inches...I cant figure if someone put a body lift on >it...or if it came this way, dont have anybody local with a widetrac to >confirm.. > >thanks! > I just went out and measured the ones close to front wheels, mine are 1 3/8 inches thick. This is on a '79 2 DOOR wide track Cherokee Chief. -Gosh I love those two doors- note; since the temp is -14 wonder if they're shriveled up a bit? :-)[Back to Top]