Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 02:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: MasterDan-at-aol.com Subject: New Group listing - How to use? The below has interesting info . . . I think! ? How do I use the? I get an error "Not a valid newsgroup" when I erase the http: and use the below as the whole entry. Dan ------------------------------------------------- > could somebody please re-post the newsgroup address? I lost it some where > and can't seem to get there....Go Figure? Try it! It works real cool, if this is a permanent thing, you won't even need to subscribe to the mailing list anymore. It works great!! news://new.ihub.com/jeep-l -----------------------------------------------[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:38:41 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 From: snordby-at-topcat.bridgew.edu Subject: re:Jeep Jamboree I have attended Jamborees and a fsj can fit with out a problem. The $190 includes Breakfast, lunch and dinner on Saturday and Sunday. Also breakfast on Sunday before you depart for home. They are lots of fun. I am going to do the Georgian Bay Jamboree in Parry Sound Ontario. Jeep Jamboree Canada said it has a trail rated 10, I love a challenge. Oh yea the money also covers the cost of your spotters and trail guides. Steve Nordby 1982 WAgoneer Plymouth MA[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:31:38 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Is the server up? I haven't gotten a message in about 20 hours...is everyone just busy or is the server down. This is a test, if I get this message, I know the server is up and you guys are quiet... Jeff Wonderin'[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:13:57 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: TEST - DISREGARD This is a test, please disregard.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:29:24 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu> Subject: Server Problems ???? I haven't received any mail from the list since yesterday afternoon. Is there a problem with the list or is it just Me. Brian (Having FSJ List Withdrawl)[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:11:04 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Phone Co's wanting more $$ for Internet use
Here is something that affects all of us... Please email the
fcc with your comments. Many of us pay extra to have a second
line that we only use for connection to our isp, and don't use
all the services offered.
email your comments or opposition to this move by the teleco's to:
isp-at-fcc.gov
BTW, it appears the FSJ-List is taking a holiday again, so I've reverted
to the old cc list, many of you may get duplicates of this message...
BTW: FSJ - have scanner working, will be adding some ORC reader pages later
today or tomorrow: Alan Bennett, Tommy, Mark Wallace, and the hinge setup
for the panel...
john
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>From: longrun-at-nlights.net
>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:14:00 -0800
>Subject: Phone Co's wanting more $$ for Internet use
>To: john-at-
>
>Am forwarding this on for your information:
>>
>> I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter
>> currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has
>> filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your
>> internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the
>> operation of the telephone network.
>>
>> It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were
>> required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an
>> email box for your comments, responses must be received by February
>> 13, 1997. Send your comments to isp-at-fcc.gov and tell them what you
>> think.
>>
>> Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak
>> it in just under the wire for litiagation. Let everyone you know here
>> this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of.
>>
>> isp-at-fcc.gov
>>
>> Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all
>> our voices may be heard!
>>
>> Just passing it along...
>
> Paul Weitlauf
> ____________
> | Jeep-L | PNW4WDA, Region 1 Land & Legislative Officer
> |___________| Snohomish County ORV Advisory Committee
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> {-//-} =u===u= {-//-} '80 Scout CVI Hot Stuff - collector
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> {-//-} {-//-} '94 Geo Tracker - wife's daily driver
> {-\\-} {-\\-} Jeep-L, IHC Digest, Land Use Network
>
> See my CJ-5 at http://unix.off-road.com/~jeeplist/weitlap.htm
> (work) mailto:Paul.E.Weitlauf-at-b.com
> (home) mailto:longrun-at-nlights.net
>
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: TCOLLINS-at-aol.com Subject: Re: defroster wiring >Here's the question; does anyone know which wire >runs to the rear defroster? The switch has 3 wires, >black, purple and red. My Chiltons PIECE-O-CRAP >manual does not show the rear defogger. I'm guessing >it's the purple wire, but would like a confirmation. Joe: Hope this helps it's from the Jeep wiring diagram for '84/'85 GW's & trucks- The Violet wire (purple) comes from defogger switch to defogger timer. The orange wire comes from the timer to the defogger. The red should be main power to rear taillight switch from circuit breaker -at- fuse block & the black should be ground. Hope this is close for a Cherokee. Tom C[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:57:41 -0800 From: john <john-at-> Subject: Additional charges on my telephone? To: FCC re: a policy under review to impose per minute charges --------------------------------------------------------- I understand that there is a proposal under review by your office that is supported by the telephone companies to impose additional / per minute charges on the use of the telephone lines (for internet service?). I am paying for an extra telephone line into my home that I only use locally to connect to my ISP. My ISP pays a large sum of money for the line that connects their service to the internet. My use of that extra telephone line is limited to local use only, yet I am paying the normal rate and all Federal and local taxes for that line, in addition to my regular phone line. The argument that my use of this line hinders the operation of the telephone network is a weak based on the revenue created by others like myself who pay the full price for a line used to connect locally, and used infrequently. If these per minute charges are imposed it will adversely affect a new industry and many businesses that are now using the internet to advertise their goods and services. It will also directly affect my small business, and many others like it, that build web pages for other businesses. If these charges are imposed it will most likely result in alternative connections to local ISP's that might adversly affect other FCC allocated communication bands. I know that I will research other means of communications to my ISP in order to avoid these charges. I sincerely hope that this measure is not approved. The telephone companies are a well established industry that need to adapt to the changes in technology without imposing charges that will hinder the growth of an emerging and promising means of communicating. If the telephone companies are concerned about costs then they should look at how (and why) they sell time to long distance providers, and perhaps manage that asset more wisely. To impose time charges on local use seems unreasonable, irresponsible and appears to be a means in which to produce additional profit at the expense of the consumer. An alternative to covering the costs of upgrading the teleco systems is to charge a one time fee when adding a second line to a residence that would cover the costs of adding the circuitry at the dial central office to handle the additional load. I'm sure that the amortized cost of one additional connection used locally will not be unreasonable. I've heard of many people receiving a "special" no-cost installation of a second phone line by the local telephone company. If the telephone companies are so concerned about the impact to the telephone network, WHY DO THEY ACTIVELY PROMOTE IT'S USE and even provide internet services??? This appears to be a contradiction of purpose and might even be a means of restricting smaller ISP's from competing. The telephone companies have a monopolistic holding in the communication field by default. It would be very costly for another competitor to come in and build an infrastructure using their right of ways. Since most telephone companies are converting (or have converted) to digital switches, fiber optics and sophisticated multiplexing equipment the argument that a local connection will adversly affect the operation of the telephone network is technologically weak and an argument pushed forward in hopes that those approving or reviewing this policy are ignorant or unaware of the technology involved. Unfortunately, most of our elected officials seem to fall into this category. Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to express my concerns about this policy. Sincerely, John Meister Snohomish, Washington john-at-[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 09:07:37 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: I6 header, again
all my xj's, and mj's have had the driveshaft on the driver's side in front,
center rear... so did my full-size blazer/jimmy...
(all NP & NV???)
john
At 08:03 PM 2/4/97 -0800, Thomas Anhalt wrote:
>Oh, I forgot to ask...does anyone recall on what side the transfer case is
>on the wranglers and the comaches? Is the exhaust routed back on the
>passenger side like my FSJ?
>
>Tom Anhalt
>'81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo
>'65 Buick Special Convertible
>Santa Barbara, CA
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 09:24:13 -0800 From: john <john-at-> Subject: Additional charges on my telephone? -Reply got this reply... info on this web page: http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html >X-POP3-Rcpt: john-at-cafe >Return-Path: ISP-at-fcc.gov >Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:11:45 -0500 >From: ISP <ISP-at-fcc.gov> >To: john-at- >Subject: Additional charges on my telephone? -Reply > >This is an automated response to the message you sent to ISP-at-fcc.gov. Thanks for taking the time to write. We have established this mailbox for informal comments about usage of the public switched telephone network by Internet access and information service providers. More information on this subject is available at <http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html> We appreciate your input. > >Look for more features and announcements on our Web site, <http://www.fcc.gov/>, in the future! > >Sheryl Segal >ssegal-at-fcc.gov > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:22:34 -0500 From: Rick Terhune <terhuner-at-smtpgw2.musc.edu> Subject: Project Chief (Part 7) Hi to all, Real quiet out there today. No digest this morning? Server down? Chief now Rhino Lined from front to back inside. Pretty cool stuff, MUCH quieter inside and heat from floorboards is greatly reduced. Will definitely write up tech article on this aspect of buildup as I learned a lot. Wanted inside roof sprayed too since I had headliner off. Owner told me couldn't do it. Would drip too much. Tech guy said no problem could have done it, said he almost called me to ask if I wanted it done but got busy and forgot. ARGH!!!!!!! Gas smell seems to be exhaust fumes being sucked inside when rear window open. Checked it out last night. Carb ok (a little rich), no leaks to or from tank, no exhaust leaks. Drove w/o rear window open and problem seemed to go away. Any body had this same problem? Will a rear wind deflector clear this up? Too darn hot in the summer around here to drive w/o rear window open for air flow if a/c not working. Oil pressure problem seems to be better now, suspect vehicle may just need to be driven more. Basically it has been sitting up for several years now. STILL TO DO: Rekey rear window lock and column lock. Weatherstripping of doors etc. Reinstall headliner, door coverings etc. Reinstall seats, belts etc. Add speakers for radio. Paint when affordable (maybe next month) Masterac Security Console (I have a Tuffy in CJ - it's great!) (ASAP) Safari Roof Rack Outside rear spare tire carrier. (maybe) Fix or replace A/C Will try to write up overall buildup to date this weekend and organize pictures. Will write up Rhino Lining as a separate article. Rick in Chas. 70 and Sunny today[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:21:43 -0800 From: Sam Lewis <wagoneer-at-tehabi.com> Subject: LIST ADMINISTRATION Fellow FSJers lend me your ears, As many of you could tell, the server took a dive Wednesday evening. I got it back up Thursday morning but there is a backlog of 28 messages X 139 subscribers. It should be cleared up by noon or so today. But I think its time I set some Administrative guidelines for this list. When it started with about 40 people we could afford to be very casual in our messages and in the administration of it. Now we are up to 139 subscribers and still 50-100 messages a day if not more. So I'll start with a couple of policies: Attatchments - Will no longer be allowed, ever. They just cause too many problems. The outage last night was caused by a 1.2 megabyte message sent to the list (twice). This would have resulted in 166.8 megabytes of information to be processed by the server. By the way, I am in no way chastising the person that sent the message. It was a kind gesture of sharing information. But the server can't take it, and not every subscriber can afford to receive this size of file. So if you have files you want to share, talk to some of the memebers of the list who have web sites PRIVATELY and get them to put the file on their site. Then tell the list the address of the file. Bounced messages and Bad addresses - About every 4-5 weeks I get 100-200 bounced messages a day from a bad address. This can be caused by a major outage on the internet backbones or a minor one. Or by a problem with the receipients mail server or connection. Or a full mailbox on the receipients end. (Juno users - you have a very restrictive size limit on individual messages and your total mailbox). So from now on, after 5 bounced messages from a single address, that address will be put in digest mode. After 5 bounced digests, that address will be removed from the list. You are free to resubscribe when the problem clears. But I would really appreciate if you did a "review" of the list before coming to me about your problem. If you are not in the review, resubscribe, then give it a day. After that you may send your questions my way. Please make yourself familiar with the commands the listserver accepts and use them. I am not complaining here, understand that. I still enjoy running this list. But as the subscriber base goes up so does the time it takes to administer the list. So I am really just trying to reduce the time needed so that I can continue to do it. Besides, my truck needs a LOT of work and I need to find some time to do it ; - ) You can have your ears back now. Sam Lewis '82 Wagoneer Limited Del Mar, CA FSJ-List ListMom[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 09:50:19 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Rhino Lining Update
Rick,
My scanner is working... I'll cc a copy of the jpg's to doc...
snail mail for ORC & FSJ writeups/photos:
John Meister
Clearview Consulting
14809 State Route 9 SE
Snohomish, WA 98296-8784
At 12:28 PM 2/5/97 -0500, Rick Terhune wrote:
>Hi Guy (and Gals),
>Chief now in shop to have Rhino Liner sprayed in. Took pictures before
>and will take after pictures when picked up today. Will probably write up
>tech article with particulars (and pictures) as it will be good reference
>for anybody else who wants to put it in. Price $550, firewall to tailgate.
>
>Will work on headliner this weekend and reinstall seats, belts etc.
>Someone else had their headliner falling down(?), so when I get it
>complete I will post pictures and info on replacing liner and problems.
>Mine sagged badly so we''ll see if my fix works.
>
>I have complete pictures of rebuild from start until now so if anyone
>(John/Doc) is interested I can write up as a rebuild project with pictures.
>Let me know. I'm on the home stretch now.
>
>I noticed also that I have the same problem with the oil pressure gauge
>as has been discussed here lately. CJ does the same thing, so I am not
>sure it is a big deal. Proabably put it on the "to do later" list.
>
>First time I had a chance to get it on the road for any distance since
>replacing gas tank. Still has strong gas smell, so I either have a carb,
>head gasket problem or exhaust leak of somekind.
>If exhaust leak I may just put headers in and new exhaust also. We'll see.
>Any body have any suggestions as to headers and price? $100 for
>Hookers from Summit.
>Should I buy muffler and have custom pipes made, etc. or should I try to
>find a complete kit? Haven't seen any made for Cherokees etc.
>
>Found rust issues I did not know about in CJ body over the weekend so
>it looks like this may be next project after Chief finished.
>
>Boneyard trip very productive, numerous small parts for Cherokee and
>looked over rusted out J-10. 1979 model with T-18, Dana 20 and 360,
>body shot, frame maybe recoverable (I know where there is a good '77
>body available cheap). Now negotiating with junkyard owner on J-10.
>
>Rick
>Sunny and Warm in Chas.
>'79 Cherokee WT
>"85 CJ-7
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 09:57:07 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: $12 switch - life changes...
>anyway, when I told him he cussed a lot! said he was still pissed
>his ex sold it for $300 when he had over $4k in it, and it did
>have lots of new parts. but he gave up before finding the $12
>ignition switch problem.
Joe,
Sounds like this guy needs to do an overhaul on his life... Too bad
you went through so much pain and suffering to find the $12 switch...
BTW, does my reference to how big your key chain was award me the prize
for finding your problem??? :)
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 10:15:21 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: it's a jeep thing...
At 05:54 PM 2/5/97 -0500, Joe Sego wrote:
>>It's A Jeep Thing... You Wouldn't Understand!
>>is 25-1/2 inches long, letters are 1-1/2 inches high,
>>total backing size is 27" x 3"
>
>John, some questions-
>Is it printed on clear vinyl or colored?
CLEAR
>What color are the letters and background if it has one?
white letters
>How did they ship it? Folded or rolled?
FOLDED in a LARGE overnight us mail box... (crinkled a little on
the edges, didn't quite fit... $3.00 postage!!!)
>Seems to me the best place for one of these is the rear glass.
meant for the windshield... it would never survive the first time
you lowered your window...
Haven't installed mine yet... cold and sunny outside, but lots
of stuff to do... web site, ORC catchup, cleaned garage yesterday,
and office, way cool, I do have workspace in here... back is sore
from hiking the paper up the hill to recycle... :)
>
>C'ya
>joe
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 10:34:41 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: V8 to L6 Conversion
There is a difference on the torque converters / flex plates, one of
them has a notch... don't recall which... As far as the bolt patterns,
I'd think they're the same. I've been looking at doing the I-6 thing
in Old Blue... the only difference I've found so far is the crank shape
thing...
BTW, the TH400's used with adapters are shorter, as previously discussed,
later model TH400's had an AMC case... I'm primarily looking at the TF727
situation... Ken or some of the guys with older models will have more to
say about this issue...
john
At 06:50 PM 2/5/97 EST, M_B_FEICK wrote:
>Hi guys-
>My buddy wanted to use the straight 6 motor I just found in a Cherokee with
>57k miles. He has a 360 auto right now. He was told that the bolt pattern is
>different on the V8 th400 than the L6 th400 and that the converter is
>different. I told him that this sounds wrong-I can't see AMC buying two
>different th400s, and that MAYBE the lock-ups were different on the L6
>converters. Any comments?
>Brad Feick
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 10:37:50 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: 3" Exaust, formerly 258 vs 360-2v
yes, I'd like this info too... please post to the list...
what's wrong with Stupid Shops? er, S U P E R shops? I figure if
you buy brand name stuff and don't listen to their counter help you're
ok... I believed them once, almost twice... I drove all the way down
there to buy a coil for my XJ, when the guy looked under the hood he
started saying how I could modify my wiring.... I don't think so...
I went to the dealer and bought the factory part... DO YOUR RESEARCH
BEFORE YOU GO THERE... they don't know squat, WORSE than a Dealer...
john
At 07:41 PM 2/5/97 EST, DOROTHY I. STREICH wrote:
>>> I picked up a 3" in/out hi-flow cat. for about $80 and a 3" in/out
>>> Flowmaster for about $65 last year from Jegs mail order. Avoid
>>> the mail order outfit called ASAP, they are part of Super Shops.
>>>
>>> -Ken
>
>Can you send me an address for Jegs mail order please. I would love to get my
>MPG number up and keep noise down.
>
>Thanx
>Karl Streich
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 13:50:41 -0500 From: Rick Terhune <terhuner-at-smtpgw2.musc.edu> Subject: Digest 159 Can anyone forward Digest 159 to me? It seems to have been lost in the ozone layer. Thought it was too quiet out there! Rick[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:09:33 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: which state for FSJr's??? Usually the only FSJs I see are parked...mostly permanently or semi-permanently... Haven't seen a 2-door Cherokee on the road since around Christmas, and that was in Dallas. I guess the flat land around here keeps folks from wanting them. I occasionally see 4-doors on the road, and there were actually 3 full size Wags in the paper on Sunday for sale...usually there aren't any at all. Jeff Lonely in Houston[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 11:07:02 -0800 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: questions At 16:17 05-02-97 EST, you wrote: > >> -1) 1970, same taillights as the Cherokees. << > > Anyone ever actually use the lens off of one on the other? I think the >Cherokees have one corner at the top angled where the J-Truck's are >rectangular? > > Joe...check it out and give us the executive summery please > > -3) Originally 'Thriftside' then with the intro of the > 'Honcho' started calling them 'Sportside'. Some were 7 ft > boxes. I think only available in the early years (70's) > > I have seen early '80s Thrift/Sport Sides around here but, they are somewhat >rare. > > -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com Michael, The lenses on the J trucks (at least mine anyway) has the upper outer edge tapering inward. I think they were the same as the early Cheros. Regarding the thriftsides,I think all the later ones where short boxes. I've never measured a later stepside but I *think* they were shorter than 7'????? Weren't all the Honchos/Golden Eagles etc short box only? Maybe 7' IS the shortbox? Indeed thriftsides are rare! That I'm sure about :) Daze and confused in WA...[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 11:36:33 -0800 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Transfer cases At 19:40 05-02-97 -0600, you wrote: > >On with the next question...Is a 74 Q-T transfer case the same as a 79 Q-T? >Has anyone ever rebuilt one? Yep, same animal. -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 11:36:35 -0800 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: New Group listing - How to use? At 02:36 06-02-97 -0500, you wrote: >The below has interesting info . . . I think! ? How do I use the? I get an >error "Not a valid newsgroup" when I erase the http: and use the below as the >whole entry. > >Dan > >------------------------------------------------- >> could somebody please re-post the newsgroup address? I lost it some where >> and can't seem to get there....Go Figure? > Try it! > It works real cool, if this is a permanent thing, you won't even need to >subscribe to the mailing list anymore. It works great!! > > news://new.ihub.com/jeep-l >----------------------------------------------- > > > Dan, That's <news://news.ihub.com/jeep-l> Seems an "s" is missing from the second 'new' You may have to configure <news-at-ihub.com> as a news server for it to work. Imagine me helping (trying to) with internet/computer stuff, what a strange world it is... :) -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 11:44:13 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Alan Bennett's j4000
Alan,
Scanned & ftp'd... up to ORC
al-ben.html is the file... trying to update the page...
(if y'all beat me to the site... :)
Alan, do you want me to return the pictures?
btw, I also put the hinges for the panel up there, AND
THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR WARN HUBS!!!!!!! I found this pamphlet
in my 1969 Wagoneer... I scanned it in and parked it up there...
it will live on the FSJ-tech.html page... ENJOY!!!
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 15:07:56 -0500 From: Rick Terhune <terhuner-at-smtpgw2.musc.edu> Subject: Rust Removal on FSJs -Reply Jeff - Replying to both you and the list as your question is probably the same as many of us have (or will have). First understand that rust is just like cancer, you have to cut it out completely to get rid of it. Had this done on worst spot on tailgate (bottom edge) and new piece welded in. Second your problems sound more extensive than mine, so some of what I am about to say may not apply, but most will. Third the rust may well return after 5 or 6 years anyway, especially if you live in a wet climate (I do), but if you do the work yourself it is well worth the savings. (Body shops are expensive!) Floorboards, passenger footwells and underside of passenger and cargo area roof were wirebrushed, scraped, sanded and then ground to get as much of rust and loose scale out as possible. My rust issues here were not structural in nature. I then applied "rust converter" (goes by different names but can be found at Walmart, Auto Stores etc.) to the affected areas. This agent 'converts" the rust to Hematite after 24 hours (it will turn black). Understand that you must still have some active rust in the area for it to be effective so do not grind rust completely out. Hematite must then be lightly sanded and primed over before fiberglass or Bondo is applied. I then applied a minimum of two layers of fiberglass matting and resin to floorboards and up side walls (about 2" up). After properly cured, sand high spots down, prime and paint (or in my case cover with Rhino Liner). Any areas that are structural or supporting in nature, I would probably have new pieces cut and welded in after cutting out the old pieces. If it was in an area That was hidden than you could possibly, use the converter and then weld in a new piece over. Your roof pillar area may possibly be treated by using the rust converter and Bondo, just make sure that you squirt rust converter back in far enough to stop any further rusting. I had the same problem with the door jambs, but it was not severe. Treated it with rust converter and then covered this area with liner as opposed to putting threshold cover plate back on. Regards Rick >>> "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> 02/06/97 01:25pm >>> Rick, I saw your post on the FSJ list today about your FSJ Cherokee project. I have a '78 4-door Cherokee that I have grown quite fond of since I acquired it in November. The problem is that it has rust in the front floor boards, and at the intersection of the windshield pillar and roofline, and also at the intersection of the rocker panels and the door jams at the front of the front doors. I would be interested in hearing about where your Cherokee was rusty, what you did to remove the rust or replace the part, and what products and steps you took to keep the rust from coming back. The body shop I visited said the rust would come back after 5 or 6 years...not what I wanted to hear. I have done some body work before and would like to find out what others have done to beat this problem. Thanks for your time! Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:10:41 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Project Chief (Part 7)
At 12:22 PM 2/6/97 -0500, Rick Terhune wrote:
>Hi to all,Pretty cool stuff, MUCH
>quieter inside and heat from floorboards is greatly reduced.
cost?
>Gas smell seems to be exhaust fumes being sucked inside when rear
>window open.
>Any body had this same problem?
>Will a rear wind deflector clear this up?
seems to...
I'll park your how-to up on ORC, have any photos to go with it?
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:29:20 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Project Chief (Part 7) On Feb 6, 11:22am, Rick Terhune wrote: > Subject: Project Chief (Part 7) > > Gas smell seems to be exhaust fumes being sucked inside when rear > window open. Checked it out last night. Carb ok (a little rich), no leaks to > or from tank, no exhaust leaks. Drove w/o rear window open and > problem seemed to go away. Is that safe? I always heard not to drive around with the rear window open because it sucked fumes into the truck and could asphyxiate you. I'd like to keep mine open too, if it won't kill me... > STILL TO DO: > Rekey rear window lock and column lock. Does the ignition key unlock the doors? On my Javelin, that was the case, and the rounded key unlocked only the trunk. Right now, I can't lock or unlock ANY of my doors with either key, I'm just wondering which SHOULD work... > Rick in Chas. > 70 and Sunny today > >-- End of excerpt from Rick Terhune Everyone feel free to jump in here... BTW, Rick, it sounds like you've been busy...and you're going to be even more so... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:04:54 -0800 From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-telis.org> Subject: Re: Additional charges on my telephone? At 08:57 AM 2/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >To: FCC >re: a policy under review to impose per minute charges >--------------------------------------------------------- > excellent letter John mick[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 15:27:15 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Milemarker >MileMarker sells NEW vacuum diaphrams for the BW 1339 >QT unit. Part # 8122991 $92.00 retail, $55.60 Jobber >price. New chains (8007) run $156.00. QT Conversion kits >(full-time to part-time) are $360 Conversion with OD is $442. >C'ya >Joe- >79 Chief Joe- just out of curiosity, how much was their gasket kit? I was not impressed with the kit I got from Brian's in re to quality. Do you remember my post where I said that the QT input seals one can get from the dealer are poor compared to Federal-Mogul? There is a giant gap in quality. Now that I grabbed the SWEET QT out of that Cherokee in the 'yard, I'm gonna put new seals and gaskets in it when I add one of my spare reduction units to said QT. If I have to, I'll buy the gaskets all seperately from Federal (if I can) in order to get decent ones. Thanks Brad Feick p.s. Didn't get posts until Thursday -at- 3pm so I may be behind. Didn't get to yard today because of MRI to lower back. Might get the knife soon. If so you guys maybe can give me some busy work lookin' up part #s or whatever so's I don't go outta ma mine![Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 15:36:06 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: $12 switch - life changes... >Too bad you went through so much pain and suffering to find the $12 switch... Yeah, but look what he's got now! Also JOE knows exactly what he's done next time there is a problem. This list is so cool... Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:39:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Wallace <redgator-at-bu.edu>
Subject: Too Cool
Been doing a whole bunch of other stuff (school) so I haven't been here
for a few days. Anyway got to see the pictures that John (In Washington)
took on my Cross Country trip last summer. So when John loads them all up
onto a machine y'all get to see:
1.) My bumper mount CB Antenna (11.5 feet from the ground to the top)
2.) My rear bumper off an 83 Wagoneer Brougham (notice no plastic
bumperettes in the rear, but at least one is still on up front)
3.) My Different grille from John's (off the same 83 Brougham, same as
the origional, but I took a bird through the origional...it's on the
wall of my bedroom)
4.) The effect of John's add-a-leaf (I had just replaced my springs about
two weeks before giving me an additional two inches, before it was
the real saggin' wagon)
5.) Some of my brother's Junk in the back...we ended up renting a U-haul
trailer so that I could change lanes safely without waking my brother
and so that we could take all of one of my brother's friends from
high school's junk back to NM from Washington.
6.) My garish yellow New Mexico license plate 269-FSZ
7.) ME!
Another thing to keep in mind is that both Jeeps are 1981 Wagoneer
Limiteds, mine built about 3 months before John's and with maybe about
15,000 more miles on the clock.
Great Trucks.
later
Mark
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 16:16:29 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: DUAL EXHAUST WITH QT Has anyone put a true dual exhaust on their QuadraTrac vehicle[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 17:07:47 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: Milemarker At 03:27 PM 2/6/97 EST, you wrote: >>MileMarker sells NEW vacuum diaphrams for the BW 1339 >>QT unit. Part # 8122991 $92.00 retail, $55.60 Jobber >>price. New chains (8007) run $156.00. QT Conversion kits >>(full-time to part-time) are $360 Conversion with OD is $442. >>C'ya >>Joe- >>79 Chief > > >Joe- just out of curiosity, how much was their gasket kit? I was not >impressed with the kit I got from Brian's in re to quality. Do you remember >my post where I said that the QT input seals one can get from the dealer are >poor compared to Federal-Mogul? There is a giant gap in quality. Now that I >grabbed the SWEET QT out of that Cherokee in the 'yard, I'm gonna put new >seals and gaskets in it when I add one of my spare reduction units to said QT. >If I have to, I'll buy the gaskets all seperately from Federal (if I can) in >order to get decent ones. > >Thanks >Brad Feick > >p.s. Didn't get posts until Thursday -at- 3pm so I may be behind. Didn't get to >yard today because of MRI to lower back. Might get the knife soon. If so you >guys maybe can give me some busy work lookin' up part #s or whatever so's I >don't go outta ma mine! Brad, I did not see a gasket set listed. May have to call them. 800 886-8647 C'ya Joe- 79 Chief[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 17:20:14 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: DUAL EXHAUST WITH QT At 04:16 PM 2/6/97 EST, you wrote: >Has anyone put a true dual exhaust on their QuadraTrac vehicle > I did on my 78 J-10. No cats, just 2 pipes and short turbo mufflers that exited right in front of rear tires. No problems at all. The gas tank on a j-truck is located different than a Cherokee. C'ya Joe-[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 15:36:42 -0700 From: dmatheny-at-mutoh.com Subject: RE: DUAL EXHAUST WITH QT >Has anyone put a true dual exhaust on their >QuadraTrac vehicle? Maybe you'd better define "true" dual exhaust. I do have separate pipes running from each exhaust manifold to separate glass packs and then separate pipes to the rear tire. Does this qualify? Oh yeah, I have a '77 J20 with 360 V8, Th400 AT, BW QT with Low range. What do you want to know? C Ya, Dan[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 17:32:33 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: DUAL EXHAUST WITH QT Has anyone put a true dual exhaust on their QuadraTrac vehicle? If so how was this done? Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 18:22:11 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: RE: DUAL EXHAUST WITH QT >What do you want to know? >C Ya, >Dan I would like to rout my exhaust all the way to the rear. Did you have trouble on either side? (like getting past QT) Where is there room to put Dyno-max or some such muffler? Did any of our FSJs come with duals? Brad Feick[Back to Top]
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