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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 97 18:25:00 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: wish list for NORMAL FSJ's... :)

thanx brad...  go info...  too bad, I'd say that my experience has been that
Buick stuff is better...  but it seems like Chevy stuff is more plentiful...
>>>>>>>>>>>
SHHHHHHHH!!!   Years of marketing have engendered a strong sense of brand 
loyalty amongst the Chevy faithful.  (GM wants you to forget that the Buick 
brothers taught the Chevy guys how to race early on)  Donning flame repellant 
mojo gear NOW!!
HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE 
Brad Feick


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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 97 18:20:39 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Traveling 258?????

Brad,
Where is this gem? What year is it? Does it have all the *stuff* with it?
Bell housing, carb, alt, manifolds, electro gizmos, smog etc??? Is it
possible to bolt the unit to a pallet for truck transport? If only 57k and
mostly there, truck shipping is worth checking into at least. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is a '78 -I unhooked the harness from the firewall neatly, it was an auto 
(I have the converter/ cause I bought the tranny and QT)  If you send me a 
clean Gladiator grille I'll send it to you for what it costs me and you pay 
the shipping.  I've been thinking about this and if none of you guys want this
I'M BUYING IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A 6 WITH 57K FOR $125  WAAAHOOO!
This thing has the AMC sticker on the air cleaner as well as some factory 
color on the block!  Clean.  Cleany-clean.  
Brad Feick


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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:33:09 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: Traveling 258?????

>FWIW This is being considered for an ah,ah well a CJ. Ohhhh, I can feel the
>scorn...
>
>Regards,
>-jj

Not from me, if things go right this year I'll have a CJ
by winter.  Been wanting one a long time. So does wife!!

C'ya
Joe-

>

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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:41:36 -0800
From: kenns <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: $148 adapter

no joe, 

u would get a th400 case that bolts to the mil u want to install.
sisnce ALL th400 are the same , on the inside, it would
take any ole trany shop to switch over the internals and
u r on ur way!!!

Joe Sego wrote:
> 
> I think you said the adapter for small block Chevy to th-400
> is $148.  Why would re-casing the th-400 be a better idea?
> If the th-400 was re-cased how would the QT unit attach?
> 
> I wonder about the motor mounts?  Would that be a major
> job?  Sure makes me wonder about rebuilding the spare
> 360 when I have a 300+ hp Chevy 327 sitting in the garage doing
> nothing?  All rebuilt and *nice*, no FI but that's ok.
> 
> I need to look at some stats, don't want to trade torque
> for horsepower, nor do I need to crank out 6,000 rpm
> either!  But it is nice to have options.  I was kinda saving
> this 327 for a 34 Ford with sucicide doors!  ala ZZ Top
> 
> C'ya
> Joe-
> 
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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:02:03 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Traveling 258?????

At 18:33 10-02-97 -0500, you wrote:
>>FWIW This is being considered for an ah,ah well a CJ. Ohhhh, I can feel the
>>scorn...
>>
>>Regards,
>>-jj
>
>Not from me, if things go right this year I'll have a CJ
>by winter.  Been wanting one a long time. So does wife!!
>
>C'ya
>Joe-

May I suggest a CJ8?  Not quite as exciting on icy roads as it's smaller
brethren :)
Yeah, I know 'off topic' but the wheelbase is 'almost' a FSJ. As long as
John's XJ's anyway :)

-jj

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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:13:01 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Traveling 258?????

Brad!!!

If you're serious about a clean Gladiator grille I can probably
find one... have a hunch where one might be...  Are you sure you
want to make such a generous offer?

If there's not one where I'm thinking, I might be able to track
down my old 65 J200...  would that work?

In lieu of that, what would it cost to ship it to Seattle?  It sounds
like it would drop right into Old Blue...

I'm interested.  I fear the shipping charges though...  It cost me
$60 to ship a generator from Northern Hydraulics 6 or 7 years ago...

Actually, you'd need to ship it to Everett WA.. Hogland Trucking would
probably be the closest...  I can pick it up with my util trailer
and shop crane... :)

$125 for the motor, what's the shipping.... ???????    I could
probably swap the 360 for a good TF727... yeehaw...

I'll look into the grille for ya!!!

john meister
snohomish, wA

At 06:20 PM 2/10/97 EST, M_B_FEICK wrote:
>Brad,
>Where is this gem? What year is it? Does it have all the *stuff* with it?
>Bell housing, carb, alt, manifolds, electro gizmos, smog etc??? Is it
>possible to bolt the unit to a pallet for truck transport? If only 57k and
>mostly there, truck shipping is worth checking into at least. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>It is a '78 -I unhooked the harness from the firewall neatly, it was an auto 
>(I have the converter/ cause I bought the tranny and QT)  If you send me a 
>clean Gladiator grille I'll send it to you for what it costs me and you pay 
>the shipping.  I've been thinking about this and if none of you guys want this
>I'M BUYING IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A 6 WITH 57K FOR $125  WAAAHOOO!
>This thing has the AMC sticker on the air cleaner as well as some factory 
>color on the block!  Clean.  Cleany-clean.  
>Brad Feick
>
>
>
>
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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:14:40 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: $148 adapter

Joe I did this case swap when I was doing my 67, cost me
about an hour of time and $75.  Two trips...  piece of cake.

john

At 03:41 PM 2/9/97 -0800, kenns wrote:
>no joe, 
>
>u would get a th400 case that bolts to the mil u want to install.
>sisnce ALL th400 are the same , on the inside, it would
>take any ole trany shop to switch over the internals and
>u r on ur way!!!
>
>Joe Sego wrote:
>> 
>> I think you said the adapter for small block Chevy to th-400
>> is $148.  Why would re-casing the th-400 be a better idea?
>> If the th-400 was re-cased how would the QT unit attach?
>> 
>> I wonder about the motor mounts?  Would that be a major
>> job?  Sure makes me wonder about rebuilding the spare
>> 360 when I have a 300+ hp Chevy 327 sitting in the garage doing
>> nothing?  All rebuilt and *nice*, no FI but that's ok.
>> 
>> I need to look at some stats, don't want to trade torque
>> for horsepower, nor do I need to crank out 6,000 rpm
>> either!  But it is nice to have options.  I was kinda saving
>> this 327 for a 34 Ford with sucicide doors!  ala ZZ Top
>> 
>> C'ya
>> Joe-
>> 
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>
>-- 
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>
>  kenneth e. wetherall  
>  kenns-at-concentric.net
>
>
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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:17:43 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Traveling 258?????

At 04:02 PM 2/10/97 -0800, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>
>May I suggest a CJ8?  Not quite as exciting on icy roads as it's smaller
>brethren :)
>Yeah, I know 'off topic' but the wheelbase is 'almost' a FSJ. As long as
>John's XJ's anyway :)

Well we could Email Sam from down under and get a CJ10 into this too... :)

Joe, since I'd put this 258 into an SJ, if I can swing the freight, would
you be interested in a slightly used 360?  :)  new rear main seal...

doesn't leak no 'mo oil...  Carb probably could be overhauled or replaced,
but hey, it starts and runs...

I'm looking for fuel economy in Old Blue, don't really care about power.
The most I'd tow would be another FSJ on a dolly...  I know the six
cylinders have enough torque for my worldly needs... :)

later,
john
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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:27:30 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Gladiator grille

At 04:41 PM 2/10/97 EST, M_B_FEICK wrote:

Brad, 

What year???

I've located a 74, 75 and 77 so far...

They're workable, guy said a couple hours of damage repair...
(which I would have done as part of the deal... :)

I haven't gone to my private non-communicating (email or fone) sources
yet... :)

john meister
snohomish, WA
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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:46:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Louhg-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake Boosters, T-shirts

In a message dated 97-02-10 14:46:36 EST, you write:

<< Allan Weidenheimer wrote:
   Does anyone have one
 > of those Canon
 > inkjet printers, the type you can get the T-shirt transfer material for?
 > I've read that it will work in my
 > HP inkjet, just never tried it.  You just have to remember to flop the
 > image over backwards
 > before printing it, so when you iron it on it comes out right.  I'd like
to
 > hear if they work very
 > good before I go buy a pack of the transfers.  Anyone??
 > 
 > Allan Weidenheimer
 > 84 GW
 > 
 Allan;
      I was looking at the transfer kit this weekend, I have a bjc-4000
 Canon.
 The transfer kit was $14.00 for 10 sheets 8.5 x 11.0".  I might have to
 give
 it a try.  Will let you know how well it works if I get one done.
  >>
to allan and alan
I used the cheaper transfers from radio shack and they seemed to work ok
only problem was I am not sure if i heated it up longg enough because the
colors ran in the wash
I have a hp 660cse
the kit from rs was for dot matrix printers so that may be the reason the
colors ran I may try the other soon.

louhg-at-aol.com
rusty83

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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:46:19 -0600 (CST)
From: brad alan reardon <bareardo-at-students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Control switches



Does anybody know....are all heat/air/vent controlling units the same?  
The problem is I'm customizing a 79 Wag dashboard and I don't like the 
placement of the heater or air conditioner controls.  I want to get them 
all in one unit.  I always thought they were just a jarbled mess of 
toggle and rheostat switches.  I am prepared to do some minor electrical 
changes but didn't know if this would be possible if I just grabbed one 
the junkyard that I liked regardless of make or model.

79 Wagosaurus


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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:33:31 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Traveling 258?????

>Joe, since I'd put this 258 into an SJ, if I can swing the freight, would
>you be interested in a slightly used 360?  :)  new rear main seal...
>
,
>john

No thanks John, too much power/weight without changing trans etc. I've
checked into v8 conversions and to do it right is too expensive. If I
wanted to build a strictly trail rig maybe, but my ahem... my CJ is my
daily driver too.

-jj

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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:37:48 -0500 (EST)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: Control switches

In a message dated 97-02-10 20:57:20 EST, you write:

> 
>  Does anybody know....are all heat/air/vent controlling units the same?  
>  The problem is I'm customizing a 79 Wag dashboard and I don't like the 
>  placement of the heater or air conditioner controls.  I want to get them 
>  all in one unit.  I always thought they were just a jarbled mess of 
>  toggle and rheostat switches.  I am prepared to do some minor electrical 
>  changes but didn't know if this would be possible if I just grabbed one 
>  the junkyard that I liked regardless of make or model.
>  
>  79 Wagosaurus
>  
I think ( RUN! ) maybe the Newer say 1989-later, may have a single control
unit...But im not sure!

Also whta you are trying to do is not impossible, but will take some
fabrication and some interesting vacuum line routing! GOOD LUCK!

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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 97 21:59:33 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Control switches

Does anybody know....are all heat/air/vent controlling units the same?  
>>>>>>>>>>>>
If I understand your question correctly, all of the trucks where the heater 
control is mounted in the plastic 3 pod cluster are the same and use the same 
add-on style of a/c under the dash.  Methinks this is AMC.  Even the earlier 
trucks where the controls are mounted in the metal dash are similarly placed, 
but I am unsure as to whether you could have gotten a/c in them.I rather doubt
it. Methinks this is Kaiser.   I at least have never seen it, and there are 
alot of Jeeps around here.  None of course with intact Gladiator grilles, but 
I digress.  I'm no expert, just know what I've seen in the 'yards.  Hey 
Joe-there are so many Jeeps out here that I can tell ya about the different 
interior styles and colors!  To quote Doc nanny-nanny-boo-boo.
Brad Feick


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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:26:19 -0600
From: "Jeff Hess" <jhess169-at-edgerton.mn.frontiercomm.net>
Subject: Re: 88 GW for sale (Boston)



>      
>    It does have the Trac-Loc diff., the power sunroof, and no rust.
>    Power seats, windows, and door locks all work. I have had some
>    trouble with the rear window, but I suspect the key switch. 
> 
>    The trade in value is $4675. but because of the knock, I would be  
>    willing to take $3675. as is.
> 
>     Here are all the details:
> 
> 
>   1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
>   ------------------------
> 
>   Blue with woodgrain sides
>   tan leather interior
>   360 v8, 94k miles
>   Power sunroof
>   Trac-Loc axle
>   Car phone (will sell w/ or w/o phone)
>   Roof rack
>   New Hidden Hitch class 2 reciever.
>   No rust
> 
>   Located in Boston area.
> 
>    617-621-8884
>    paulg-at-osf.org
> 
>  
>    Let me know if you are interested,

If I was a lot closer it would be a great deal,  I love blue GW's. 
Unfortunately I bought my 88 in May and I live in southern MN.

Jeff Hess
1988 Grand Wagoneer 
http://edgerton.mn.frontiercomm.net/~jhess169/welcome.htm


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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 97 22:15:13 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Body Lift

to go any larger with the tires you would need a 3-4 body lift and who
wants to seperate the body from frame that much. 
>>>>>>>>>
Now, I've been wanting to put these 33s I got on Mr. Beef for the summer, and 
I understood that J20s will sometimes fit them sometimes not so I was thinking
of resetting the stock spring packs with  thicker grade 8  bolts and grade 8 
locating pins with longer heads just to freshen the spring install.  (They are
walking forward in the front)  Mr. Beef rides stiffly enough (even with the 
weenie factory shocks)  and I don't have the cash for Softride springs or 
whatever they're called.  AAnyway I thought I'd put like a 2" over stock body 
lift on the Beefster in order to clear the tires, use the capable stock 
suspension, and get that mean look of USDA.  Whatsamadda with that?
Brad Feick


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Date:  Sun, 09 Feb 1997 20:04:14 -0800
From: kenns <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: 77 chero chief $800/BO

good, got  ur attention,

a bud of mine at work is selling his chero. it has a great
bod but is in bad need of paint :( the only rust i could
find was on the bottom of the LR flare.

its the typical S model, 360 2bbl at ac pb ps cc, part time
QT, lo range, front hubs, good BFG tires, steel rims, nu mastere
cyl, tune up, it is a daily driver and it runs!!! if it was
a Wagoneer i wouldnt be making this announcment!!

give me a personel email, dont send to the group, and i will forward
ur interest and phone numbers!!!
-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall  
  kenns-at-concentric.net

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Date:  10 Feb 97 23:06:10 EST
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Fuel pump, hoods & battery cables

Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> writes:

 >> My 73 J-4000 has an elcheapo electric fuel pump (the square pressed tin
 jobs) <<

 Does it have a semi-conductor mounted on top? Those are supposed to be good
fuel pumps from a reliability standpoint. Made by Facet even if it doesn't say
so if I remember correctly. I think they flow in the 25-35 GPH range.

 That reminds me...I still need 5/16" or 3/8" one way inline fuel valves if
anyone knows a possible source. I have looked and asked. So far, nothing.

 Inline one-way fuel valves go in the fuel line and allow the fuel to only go
one way. I have a 70 or 120 GPH (forget which...adequate none the less...can
empty tank in mere minutes :-) ) Carter rotary electric pump. It's a back-up
to the mechanical pump and I use it when I suspect vapor lock conditions. It's
very noisy also and I don't want to use it full time. The one-way valves would
allow me to turn it on and off on the fly. Right now, I have to stop and turn
a valve under the hood.

 That reminds me :-)...speaking of hoods. I did a few things to the Chero.
over the weekend. I replaced the negative batter cable which wouldn't camp
tight on the battery anymore. And I finally finished my locking hood
conversion. Works great...looks factory :-).

 But, I need someone with a locking hood ('81 & up I think) to check the
safety catch/release mechanism for a spring. I think I'm missing one since, it
wouldn't keep the hood from blowing open on the fwy right now. It doesn't
catch like it should when I lift the hood. If I popped the release at speed,
the hood would blow open. Not good. I can see a hole for a spring on the
mechanism but, where does the other end attach?

 One note on battery cables...if you need to replace any of yours, measure the
length and note pigtail if needed. I looked in the book at Auto Depot and it
said I needed some ridiculous length like 54". I had measured and already knew
it was only 25" long.

 Oh and another note on the negative cable attachment point on the engine (AMC
V-8s). The stock negative cable attaches down near that heater hose I tell you
guys to replace every time you remove the alternator for whatever reason. It's
near impossible to get to either one. If you need to replace the negative
cable, just unhook the old one from the battery and leave it in there. Attach
the new one to a big accessible bolt over there somewhere. I used the 3/8"
(9/16" hex head) bolts on top of the A/C bracket.

 Then when you have to pull the alternator, you can remove the old cable
completely while your changing that heater hose :-).

 -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 10-Feb-1997

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Date:  10 Feb 97 23:05:59 EST
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Radiators & leaks

GypsyLive-at-aol.com writes:

 >> PS...Where do you get the stuff to solder up a radiator? <<

 Gypsy...all the advice you've gotten is right on. Acid core solder is what
you need. It's hard to solder over a leak that is on a vertical surface. It's
tough to get the solder to flow well over the leak. When it gets shiny hot, it
just runs down the side of the tank. I've tried and failed. I have succeeded
with a propane torch and acid core solder when the leak is on a horizontal
surface like the top of the tank or the tank to core seams.

 The only way to solder it if the leak is on a vertical surface, is to pull
the radiator. If you have to go to that much trouble, you might as well take
it to a shop and have them rod it out and fix the leak. When they "rod out" a
radiator, they remove one tank and run a rod down each passage to remove all
the scale (white crusty stuff). The shops around here seem to be a little
cheaper than the ones up John's way. I took two radiators last time and they
charged me $35/ea. The most I ever had to pay was $45.

 If you need a brand new radiator, they are avail. for about $250. There are
several radiator sources that make 4 core radiators for FSJs on my Source
List. The Source List is on my home page, Doc's FSJ page and maybe John's as
well.

 Johns suggestion of a 7lb. cap (what I run all the time now) when you have a
leak can be taken even further. I had a leak in my radiator for 2 years in So.
Cal. and I just un-screwed the cap back to the 1st stop. No pressure, no leak.
With the engine cold, unscrew the radiator cap until you encounter the stop
where you normally have to push the cap down to get it to go further. Just
leave it there.



 -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 10-Feb-1997

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Date:  10 Feb 97 23:06:28 EST
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure, extreme hatred of my F

john <john-at-> writes:

 >> Hey, these SIX CYLINDERS are great... SEVEN MAIN BEARINGS!!!! <<

 Not to burst you bubble or anything but, that's pretty much the rule when you
have so many cylinders in a row. One main bearing for each rod journal plus 1.
I have one inline in the garage and it has...guess...7 main bearings! :-) So
do a lot of Japanese inlines as well as the 300 Ford six.

 The exception...the Dodge Slant 6 only has 4 main bearings. Doesn't seem to
be a problem since that engine has a cult following unto itself due to its
reliability.

 Two rods per journal in a V engine so, in the case of the AMC V-8s it's 5
main bearings. One per rod journal plus 1.

 >> Now, if a rig had solid lifters and you ran it out of oil...  ohhhh boy...
<<

 Been there done that. Driving to class one night in my Bug (solid lifters)
when something told me to look at the oil pressure gauge. It went 50, 40, 30,
20 and I twisted the key off and put it in neutral. The oil plug vibrated
loose and fell-out. I wondered why it was leaking so much oil for a couple of
weeks :-).

 Saved U-Haul a truck engine once. Oil filter housing split and I shut it off
when I heard the racket.

 9,000 ft., 65 nm East of Reno, in Dad's Mooney with 327 hours SMO on a 2,000
TBO engine (SMO=since major overhaul, TBO= recommended time between
overhauls). Prop runs away to about 3500 RPM (2600 RPM red line). Pulled
throttle back until the tach was in the green again and checked oil pressure.
Big fat zip. Ooops...dail 911 on the LORAN (bearing and distance to the
nearest airport displayed) and declare an emergency. Turn towards the nearest
airport...not enough power to maintain level flight...slowly drifting down.
Since there is no place to pull over and there is only one fan in this
airplane, $25,000 engines become sacrificial at this point.

 About 90 seconds later a rod went through the top of the case and the prop
stopped (engine seized). Glided to a successful off-airport emergency landing.
Was thinking about putting the plane down gear-up (afraid of flipping upside
down w/ gear down in soft dirt) but, decided at the last second that it was
safe to land gear down. Not a scratch on the airplane. The airframe was taken
apart and hauled away on two trucks 2 days later.

 The FAA red tagged the engine at the site which means an FAA inspector has to
be present when the engine is disassembled. The engine failed because of a
defective piston wrist pin button. It came apart in two pieces and ground
itself up into metal flakes. They 1st plugged the prop governor which caused
the RPM run away and then plugged the main oil pump. Insurance Co. sued
Superior Air Parts (maker of the wrist pin button) and it was settled out of
court for the cost of recovering the airplane, putting it back together and
the new engine.

 The airplane has 250 hours on the new engine since the incident. Now the
statistics say that the piston engine airplane fleet averages about one engine
failure per 100,000 hours. Anybody want to go for a ride? You guys are safe to
fly with me in Dad's airplane for a long time to come. What's the chances of
it happening twice in 600 hours?

 Those are my oil pressure loss stories.

 -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 10-Feb-1997

!^NavFont01F0014MGcHGlMG5AHIqMI64HQqB2B5



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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:27:34 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: wish list for NORMAL FSJ's... :)

At 06:25 PM 2/10/97 EST, you wrote:
>thanx brad...  go info...  too bad, I'd say that my experience has been that
>Buick stuff is better...  but it seems like Chevy stuff is more plentiful...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>SHHHHHHHH!!!   Years of marketing have engendered a strong sense of brand 
>loyalty amongst the Chevy faithful.  (GM wants you to forget that the Buick 
>brothers taught the Chevy guys how to race early on)  Donning flame
repellant 
>mojo gear NOW!!
>HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE
HE 
>Brad Feick
>
Hey Brad, got that Nomex on?  :-)  How come no manufacturer
in the world has won more races than Chevy?  Hmmmmmm?  They
are and will continue to be numero uno.  But thats ok, it's all
under the General's badge.
:-)

GM Joe-



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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:30:12 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: $148 adapter

At 03:41 PM 2/9/97 -0800, you wrote:
>no joe, 
>
>u would get a th400 case that bolts to the mil u want to install.
>sisnce ALL th400 are the same , on the inside, it would
>take any ole trany shop to switch over the internals and
>u r on ur way!!!
>
O I C.  As long as I get to keep the Quadra-Trac I'm a 
happy guy.  

Joe-


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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:35:36 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: Traveling 258?????

>
>May I suggest a CJ8?  Not quite as exciting on icy roads as it's smaller
>brethren :)
>Yeah, I know 'off topic' but the wheelbase is 'almost' a FSJ. As long as
>John's XJ's anyway :)
>
>-jj
>
I am not familiar with a CJ8.  A CJ may be the best bet for this
327 engine!!  I thought about looking for a CJ5, aren't they the
small ones?  Sorry for the CJ talk, but I have ulterior motives,
my 15 year old daughter starts driving in Dec, she wants a CJ !!
She HATES the Chief. Plus, one of our sons is getting married in
June, another in Oct...hey I'll have driveway space!!!  

C'ya
Joe-

ps; jj, sounds like you have a cj, maybe we should continue this
off-list.  tell me about it.



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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:44:59 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: 77 chero chief $800/BO

>a Wagoneer i wouldnt be making this announcment!!
>
>give me a personel email, dont send to the group, and i will forward
>ur interest and phone numbers!!!
>-- 

2000 miles away!!!!!!!!!!   arghhhhhhh, would buy it in a heartbeat
if it were closer :-(


Joe-


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Date:  10 Feb 97 23:52:23 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: RON-READ THIS!!! 0-60 times

>  How difficult is it (how much time) to drop the t-case, fix a rear
>  tranny fluid leak, and put this chain in? Is that the 4-5 hours you were
>  referring to? I only have the standard shade-tree equipment, no lifts or
>  anything.
>  
>  Ron

You can take the T-case out in pieces if you need to.  When I put mine back in I
had help from 2 other guys in mounting it, but I had they main part of the case
dissasembled.  If it weren't for that pesky rear traney leak you wouldn't even
need to pull the whole case out, so you can add a couple of hours to my
time...;< (that's cry, not wink...)  You need to take the lo-range unit out
first, and the drained case isn't super light, but it isnt too heavy either.  I
just used a floor jack to lift mine into place, and you are suposed to have
two(2) 5" alignment studs in the rear-facing traney bolt holes so you dont kill
your new seals...and remember...Just Do It!!!

Karl Streich


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Date:  10 Feb 97 23:52:26 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Lifts for FSJ spotted.

>  Skyjacker was the only one that made full lift kit for the FSJs. the
>  others all use blocks in the back. There might be someone else making the
>  full set now but I haven't heard or seen one. I'm very happy with my
>  Skyjacker setup.

I have seen a 3", 4 spring kit offered in FOUR WHEELER December 96, page 105,
Rough Country ad, this kit is not shown in the January issue though, so you may
need to call them at <Tech info and questions>(901)285-9000 OR <Toll free order
line>(800)222-7023.  Good Luck...

Karl Streich
Not yet lifted, Mr Chief
Not yet owned, Chief's twin J-20
I only have the front half, Waginstine...<Insert your dreams here>


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Date:  10 Feb 97 23:52:17 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Sweet J20 & and Twister info

>  Sounds nice Karl!  BTW I received a video on the hydralic winch
>  it sure appears to be MUCH better than electric, but not as
>  good as a pto.  
>  
>  How was the body, nice?  I never did get an answer on the year
>  of the j-10 in Twister?
>  
>  C'ya Joe-79 Chief

I am hoping for a hydralic winch too, but the engine comes first, any one know
what a rebuildable 401 long-block goes for???  Could the 2150 be rejetted for
the extra cubes and RV cam?  Anyone know who has an AMC roller-cam?

As for that J-20, the body was straight but the back couple inches of the bed
was cut off.  Anyone with twister might notice that the truck hit the bridge
hard and became a couple feet shorter, but when they run under the bridge
seconds later the truck is fine...The truck they droped also had a perfect front
end...How many trucks did they trash???  I'm looking at TWISTER now and here are
some Identifying marks:


Factory grill<e?> guard (for thoes that wondered)

Front diff on drivers side (this makes it an '81+)

Short bed (what was the last year for short beds?)

18232.1 Miles (The more you know...)

Inside turn indicators are arrows inside black circles (in 79
they were just a line with a pointy end, when did this change?)

85 MPH clock

Engine turned insturment cluster

Does NOT have sport steering wheel as far as I can tell

Recessed fuel filler

Grill<e?> has vertical slats

       =========_____                 ============O____
      / (______)|___|\______         / (_____)|___|___|\_______
     / -____====|-  | ____ -/       / -____---|---|---|--------/        
     |_//~~\\___|___|//~~\\_>       |_/    \__|___|___|_/    \_>     
    /   \__/          \__/   \+++++++  /~~\              /~~\
    =========/~~\/~~\==========       |    |            |    |
             \__/\__/                  \__/              \__/     


Karl Streich           =========_____
79 Chief, 83 Wag      //  __|___|___|\______
                      \-____|-  |-  | ____ -/        
                       //~~\\___|___|//~~\\_>     
                        \__/          \__/  How's that for a wrecked Wagoneer?




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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:02:02 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump, hoods & battery cables

At 23:06 10-02-97 EST, you wrote:
>Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> writes:
> Does it have a semi-conductor mounted on top? Those are supposed to be good
>fuel pumps from a reliability standpoint. 
> That reminds me...I still need 5/16" or 3/8" one way inline fuel valves if
>anyone knows a possible source. 
> -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com

Michael,
I don't think so. While at NAPA I saw one like it in plastic wrap that said
"Universal blah blah etc" It was hanging on the same rack as the chrome
door lock extensions, custom lug nuts etc. Everything on the rack from the
same company...

For fuel check valves try a decent sport or commercial marine supply place.
I used to use check valves on my fuel lines in my boat, pretty common
items. Anyone that sells Racor fuel filters should have 'em. Oh yeah,
you're in the desert aren't ya? Try Hamilton Marine in ME. :) 
800.639.2715

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:02:37 -0500 (EST)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: 77 chero chief $800/BO

In a message dated 97-02-11 00:01:23 EST, you write:

> >a Wagoneer i wouldnt be making this announcment!!
>  >
>  >give me a personel email, dont send to the group, and i will forward
>  >ur interest and phone numbers!!!
>  >-- 
>  
>  2000 miles away!!!!!!!!!!   arghhhhhhh, would buy it in a heartbeat
>  if it were closer :-(
>  
me too! Id sell my escort, and do with out the beers!

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Date:  Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:09:13 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: RON-READ THIS!!! 0-60 times

>You can take the T-case out in pieces if you need to.  When I put mine
back in I
>had help from 2 other guys in mounting it, but I had they main part of the
case
>dissasembled.  If it weren't for that pesky rear traney leak you wouldn't
even
>need to pull the whole case out, so you can add a couple of hours to my
>time...;< (that's cry, not wink...)  You need to take the lo-range unit out
>first, and the drained case isn't super light, but it isnt too heavy
either.  I
>just used a floor jack to lift mine into place, and you are suposed to have
>two(2) 5" alignment studs in the rear-facing traney bolt holes so you dont
kill
>your new seals...and remember...Just Do It!!!
>
>Karl Streich
>
I wouold like to point out also that my son and I manhandled it, no
floor jack. It's aluminum and weighs maybe 75 pounds.  We took it out
and replaced it by hand. Not a big deal, those 5" alignment studs make it
easier. imho.

Joe-
79 Chief


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Date:  Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:13:44 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: Sweet J20 & and Twister info

>Factory grill<e?> guard (for thoes that wondered)
>
>Front diff on drivers side (this makes it an '81+)
>
>Short bed (what was the last year for short beds?)
>
>18232.1 Miles (The more you know...)
>
>Inside turn indicators are arrows inside black circles (in 79
>they were just a line with a pointy end, when did this change?)
>
>85 MPH clock
>
>Engine turned insturment cluster
>
>Does NOT have sport steering wheel as far as I can tell
>
>Recessed fuel filler
>
>Grill<e?> has vertical slats

Karl,
Everything you listed fits my 78 j-10 except the grille is
different. The 78 is a vertical bar grille but not the
same as twister.  I thought they went to a horizontal grille
in 79?  

C'ya
Joe-
>

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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:53:32 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: 77 chero chief $800/BO

At 23:44 10-02-97 -0500, you wrote:
>2000 miles away!!!!!!!!!!   arghhhhhhh, would buy it in a heartbeat
>if it were closer :-(
>
>
>Joe-

Psst...I think Ken is just doing this because of the possible bargains
we've been passing on to him that have been too far away for him to check
out. <g>

-jj 

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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:03:56 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Mama's Spagetti sauce...

A friend of mine, who appears to be serving a life sentence in Italy, wrote
an article a long, long time ago in a land far, far away... 

well far away for some of us...  

I've held on to this article for quite a while...  I finally got a scanner
and scanned it in... 

an article from May 1983...  1983!!!!!  Sheesh, I'm a worse packrat
than I thought... hold the line, I'm gonna double check that
date...  yep...  1983, and it's what, 1997 already... wow.   

Are there like programs for people that save magazine articles for 
years and years???   Maybe I should start my own museum or library,
ah, but I digress...

The article was written by Doug Valenzuela...  seemed kinda funny to me that the
article said he'd only been in Italy four years...  it was over 12 years ago
that we met... :)  My how time flies...  1983, wow...

Anyway, the article is not only funny, but makes a good point... 

Here's a passage from it: 

"If I could only have peered briefly into the future I would have found
reason not to be mad (whoops, missionaries don't get mad, I meant to say,
distressed) at Giuseppe." 

Read all about it:

  http://www./~john/PEACE/doug-v.html

You can also find it directly off of my main page, down near the
bottom... something about Mama's SUGO & Doug, or life as a Protestant
in Italy...

enjoy.  (if you can't see it, or don't have a browser, e-mail me and
I'll send you a copy...)  

john meister
snohomish, WA USA
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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:03:52 -0500 (EST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Sweet J20 & and Twister info

It had to be an 82 and up J series... The grille is later model,
the headlights went rectangle in 81...  but the dark vertical
thing was after 82...  If I had to guess I'd say an 85 or so...

john

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Date:  Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:09:00 -0500 (EST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: transfer cases...

Hey, if I can take a Dana20 in and out by myself, and a BW QT...
and put a TH350 or TH400 in my trunk... y'all should be able to...

remember, I'm the runt of the litter...  It's all in the way you
lift it...  get some leverage...  I did sorta drop my Dana 20
into the grease pit... it was a tad bit heavier than I expected...

I had loads of fun getting it out and into the truck...  but
I did it...

Putting it in myself in the grease pit was interesting... I
couldn't use a floor jack, seeing has how there was no floor..

Something about survival instincts or something, but I can't
remember how I got it back in and bolted it back up...  hmmmmmm.....

Thinking about it, I remember putting the 3.8L V-6 into my Pinto
wagon myself too...  no wonder my back hurts... sheesh...

later,
john

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