Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:04:35 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: best for snow and ice... >I can't wait to try out the new 3.73s that Ole Bessy's getting. I figure >with the 31" tires I'll probably be putting her back to around the >effective gear ratio she had when new w/ 3.37s and stock tires. But to find >out for sure I'd have to do the math and, well, you know how that goes! >:=) > > >============================================================= >Henry & Jennifer Padilla >'68 Jeep Wagoneer; Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser >'89 Jeep Cherokee Laredo >home: jenhen-at-neca.com >work: hpadilla-at-dttus.com > Henry, did you read the article I posted from tha magazine? now they say the effective ratio is hog-wash! > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:11:03 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: gear ratios & tire sizes >sure thing the tires are spinning at the same speed but since the height is >different, the length of the track of one rotationn of the tire will be >different for each height > Right the circumference is different, taller tires will make you go fatser than speedo registers. > >31 " --------------------------------------- >44 " --------------------------------------------------- > >that is what is meant by the effective ratio,and that is why when you put >larger tires on your speedo will be off,reads lower or higher i dunno always >forget which >for same thing if you put real small tires on your speedo will be off also Yes, but they are claiming the only true difference is in your speed, not your ratio. > >and to keep things from snappin on a 4wd all tires should be same size >as long as gear ratios are the same (the actual r&p in the axle) front and >back >now one could put taller tires in the back if he/she would change the r&p >it works i've done it myself,also seen a truck (chevy) called quagmire >which has a setup done this way > >rusty83 >louhg The difference in fronts and rears was as an example, they didn't recommend it. Like I said i edited that article. They clear;y stated they should be the same size. > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:12:54 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: gear ratios & tire sizes At 02:24 PM 1/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-01-19 14:06:54 EST, you write: > >> hen the 4.10 axle gears will cause the tires >> to spin 48.78 rpm regardless of tire diameter. >Actually the axle shafts will spin this speed, and the inside of the tires >will also, but the outside of the tire, the part that PULLS the truck and >TOUCHES the road, will spin at a speed relative to the diameter of the >tire... >something about angular momentum maybe... > >get out your record player, put a domino on the paper part in the center, and >then put a domino near the edge and turn it on, look at it from above and >figure out which is travelling farther! Oh I understand all that, I just don't see how that is NOT effecting your gear ratio. I'm no scientist. Don't really care. >[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:27:12 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: key :-( -Reply >> >if you do need a puller i have one! they are only 10 bucks, autozone will >loan you one! > Well after looking it over I have one of Jeep's sporty (?) steering wheels thats stainless steel, not that clunky old plastic piece of crap like the j-10. It should come right off as it's only 1/4" thick. Thanks Joe- > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:34:18 -0600 From: Greg Harper <freezer-at-indy.webbits.net> Subject: Re: gear ratios & tire sizes >get out your record player, put a domino on the paper part in the center, and >then put a domino near the edge and turn it on, look at it from above and >figure out which is travelling farther! > > > True! My next question would be which gear set will get me the MOST turn on the axle that will FIT in my '70 Cherokee Wide Track? Any ideas? Thanks, Greg freezer-at-bts.webbits.net[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:32:20 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: best for snow and ice... >I'm really pouting that I didn't get that wrecked 88 xj for Old Blue... >oh well, the plan remains Diesel power... Selectdrive by milemarker >will even make a GM xfr case full time... :) >john I have a question about a diesel powered sj. What will you do for all the vacuum operated items since a diesel does not produce vacuum? Put a vacuum pump on the engine? C'ya > ******************************************************** *1979 Cherokee Chief 360-QT-Th-400-Red 110,000 mi. * *1978 Jeep J-10 Levi 360-QT-Th-400-Brown- parts donor * *ARS KJ9D - Joe Sego Indianapolis, Indiana * *jsego-at-ai2a.net - home page http://ai2a.net/~jsego/ * ********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: 19 Jan 97 21:56:53 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: lawns...
>>> yep, 1/4 acre of Johnson grass... on a hillside... Got a farmer up the road
that'll
do it for $50. Can you match his price?
Better hurry, supposed to rain Sunday... frost won't hurt your mower will it?
:)
later,
john <<<
Hmmmmm, Lets see...1000 mile drive each way, 2 looooong days, posibly 3, How
does $800 sound...I guess that's a little over his $50 price, but its going to a
good cause :} Oh, and today is sunday...Ooops...
Karl Streich
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[Back to Top]Date: 19 Jan 97 21:56:59 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: 258 vs 360-2v John wrote: >>>> I haven't rolled Old Blue out yet for his time trial, but the little xj's are good for at least 10 sec in the 0-60, maybe as low as 8 sec, <<<< Mr Chief pulled an ammazing 16 seconds to 60...with the exaust disconnected behind the cat. I have decided it's time for a cat-back system in the 3" catagory. Mr Chief is a 79 Native American CEO (Cherokee Chief) with the 360 CI super guzzler and 2bbl carb 3.54 gears and 16% overdrive, aproxmitaly the equivalent of . Plans are for a 401 4bbl, and lots of performance stuf... Pooking along in CA Karl StreicH[Back to Top]
Date: 19 Jan 97 21:57:02 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Desperately seeking gas cap for GW!! >>> Here's a tip: Place you gas cap on top of the pump.. that way if you drive off you can always go back and have a chance of finding it. <<< Been there, done that...If you place the gas cap on the dashboard you never leave without it :} >>> I'll pay any reasonable price for a 1988 Grand Wagoneer gas cap. They're silver with red lettering on them which reads something like: "Warning - Remove cap slowly..". If anyone has one or knows where I can get one please email me directly (I seldom am able to keep up with this list) at magnus-at-x-net.net <<< I got a gas cap at grand auto that is identical to the one that came on my GW and sounds like what you are describing. If you look at the back of the cap you will find 2 screws. if you remove these then the plate with the words "Warning - Remove cap slowly..." on it, then put it back together. It looks much better this way. > Thanks! > Will[Back to Top]
Date: 19 Jan 97 21:57:06 EST
From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: a little (very little) humor...
> Im a Ford Man for the moment!
FORD??? I have 3 ford components on my Mr Chief...Carb, Distributer, and
ECM...the distributer is the only piece that came with the truck, and it needs
replacing. The ECM died thursday :{ I dont think there cheap :{ :{ :{
Karl Streich
[Back to Top]Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:15:33 -0500 From: Ron <rgeer-at-summit.net> Subject: Re: a little humor Henry wrote: > Hey, that's my club! Did you know about the "top ten" list? Ron[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:45:09 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: vacuum and DIESELs
yep. that's one of the engineering challenges.
on my olds diesels they used a hydramatic power booster setup
that used the power steering pump... I had a belt slip on the
ps once and was suprised to loose the brakes too... :)
lots of diesels have vac pump setups... will have to shop the yards...
john
At 09:32 PM 1/19/97 -0500, Joe Sego wrote:
>
>>I'm really pouting that I didn't get that wrecked 88 xj for Old Blue...
>>oh well, the plan remains Diesel power... Selectdrive by milemarker
>>will even make a GM xfr case full time... :)
>>john
>
>I have a question about a diesel powered sj. What will you do
>for all the vacuum operated items since a diesel does not produce
>vacuum? Put a vacuum pump on the engine?
>
>C'ya
>>
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:46:24 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: 258 vs 360-2v
ohhhhh.... you have better gearing... I may be unpleasantly
suprised... :)
maybe tomorrow... john
At 09:56 PM 1/19/97 EST, DOROTHY I. STREICH wrote:
>John wrote:
>Mr Chief pulled an ammazing 16 seconds to 60...with the exaust disconnected
>behind the cat. I have decided it's time for a cat-back system in the 3"
>catagory. Mr Chief is a 79 Native American CEO (Cherokee Chief) with the
360 CI
>super guzzler and 2bbl carb 3.54 gears and 16% overdrive, aproxmitaly the
>equivalent of . Plans are for a 401 4bbl, and lots of performance stuf...
>
>Pooking along in CA
>Karl StreicH
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[Back to Top]Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:00:37 -0600 From: Greg Harper <freezer-at-indy.webbits.net> Subject: Need Help for my Transfer case.... Hi, Today I put in new oil in the transfer case. All went great out in the warm weather we started getting last week here in Nebraska. Tomorrow I try to fix the problem I made today. I was reading in the Chilton's that if I loosened the five bolts on the low-range unit I could drain that too. I loosened the bolts and started prying, broke a seal even though I didn't see a seal, and now I have a leak. Too bad the book didn't say pry! I assumed that the box was a bit stuck from the oil that turned to near-varnish, but I was so wrong. I went to the hardware store & found a Permatex gasket-in-a-can. This new Permatex is just for closing a leaking gearbox, oil pan, etc. I hope this will stop the leak. What I'm writing about for you is that IF this doesn't work I'll be looking for a transfer case cover plus that low-end cover attached. Any parts for sale? Thanks for being there- I'd be stuck without. If you have parts, please email using this same subject line so I can find it. Thanks, Greg[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:21:03 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: 258 article At 07:15 AM 1/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >looking for ismo in finland >i sent the article to you (i think) if you read this and can't find it >let me know louhg-at-aol.com > >anyone else want it ,an article aabout mods to a 258,out of the oct 1988 >Four Wheeler,dont want to post it as to avoid any plaguerism >charges > >btw they had a 258 w/ 370 hp off road racer >dont ask which method used to compute this number please :} > >louhg >83 rusty > I would like to see the info. Just took a long trip to go skiing and my 258 is starting to make funny noises. I think I'm going to start planning my rebuild and gathering parts. Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:39:03 -0500 (EST)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: a little (very little) humor...
In a message dated 97-01-19 22:16:39 EST, you write:
> The ECM died thursday :{ I dont think there cheap :{ :{ :{
$17 at Wal Mart if its a dura spark
[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:20:37 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: 258 vs 360-2v >Mr Chief pulled an ammazing 16 seconds to 60...with the exaust disconnected >behind the cat. I have decided it's time for a cat-back system in the 3" >catagory. Mr Chief is a 79 Native American CEO (Cherokee Chief) with the 360 CI >super guzzler and 2bbl carb 3.54 gears and 16% overdrive, aproxmitaly the >equivalent of . Plans are for a 401 4bbl, and lots of performance stuf... > >Pooking along in CA >Karl StreicH > I have the same thing except the overdrive....I'm sure it's quicker than that. C'ya Joe- ******************************************************** *1979 Cherokee Chief 360-QT-Th-400-Red 110,000 mi. * *1978 Jeep J-10 Levi 360-QT-Th-400-Brown- parts donor * *ARS KJ9D - Joe Sego Indianapolis, Indiana * *jsego-at-ai2a.net - home page http://ai2a.net/~jsego/ * ********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:25:04 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: a little (very little) humor...
At 09:57 PM 1/19/97 EST, you wrote:
>> Im a Ford Man for the moment!
>
>FORD??? I have 3 ford components on my Mr Chief...Carb, Distributer, and
>ECM...the distributer is the only piece that came with the truck, and it
needs
>replacing. The ECM died thursday :{ I dont think there cheap :{ :{ :{
>
>Karl Streich
>
Karl,
they are cheap at Auto-Zone, about $20 or less.
Joe-
>
[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:28:26 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: Need Help for my Transfer case.... That Permatex goop should fix it. Especially since that is not under pressure. C'ya joe- > >I went to the hardware store & found a Permatex gasket-in-a-can. This new >Permatex is just for closing a leaking gearbox, oil pan, etc. I hope >this will stop the leak. > >What I'm writing about for you is that IF this doesn't work I'll be looking >for a transfer case cover plus that low-end cover attached. Any parts for sale? > > >Thanks for being there- >I'd be stuck without. > >If you have parts, please email using this same subject line so I can find it. >Thanks, >Greg[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:59:20 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: pages & six cylinders...
hey guys...
making progress
did tom anhalts page
working on building something for Micheal
did a J20 from some guy in Phoenix
put dr. clough's article up there (extracted words like SEARS... :)
putting the techncial stuff I had laying around on my page...
regardless of what doc might claim, there ain't no way on this
flippin' earth that I could extract something from his site
as I refuse to screw up my network & pc config by lighting off IE
so when I look on his page all I might see are pictures... the
technical articles have been here since Kevin sent them to me back
in the zynet days and I've tried to clean them up a bit...
(even when I use the text only version I can't see everything, but hey,
I've only got 17" monitor... ) Oh, yeah, I did copy a few of the
pictures... not sure any more which ones were sent to me and which
ones I copied as a saftey net in case we had another zynet episode...
Anyway, looking through paper today I found a 1975 258, 6cyl, runs great,
can hear, ex. cond. w/ all access.. $250
whaddy think? after reading Tom's report on his, 21mpg sounds good...
I'd also drop the R&P's in Old Blue to at least a 3.73... Am I on the
right track or have I totally lost all the marbles I was clutching firmly in
my grip... :)
back to the HTML stuff... the ORC site is painfully slow to work on, so I've
got to build it on the cafe and then ftp it over... Tom, that Cherokee of
yours is BEAUTIFUL... I love the grille... The most impressive Cherokee is
Jim the Mechanic's though... Jim, do you have all the info written down
that you could send me? Assuming of course that you want your Cherokee up
there... I'm not sure if trying to get it off of doc's page will work...
I'll try later...
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 01:01:20 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: best for snow and ice... At 04:21 PM 1/19/97 -0600, you wrote: >I like the full time idea too, for the reason you gave. If you're driving >in varied conditions (for instance, if it's sleeting at your house but >snowing the next town over) it's nice to have everything already churning >away in 4WD. Jen and I are still discussing the possibility of getting a >late model GW for her to drive the kids around in. That'd be cool, and I >wouldn't have to worry about her so much when the weather gets bad. > >I hope to have Ole Bessy back on the road w/in the nxt month. Once the >front axle is in I'll need to have the rear gears changed over and the Lock >Right installed back there too. > >Henry > Yeah, that should be exciting for you the first time out! I wanted to point out (from some of the mail I've received) I've never had either FSJ hung-up. Been close a few times but always able to get free. I figured the locker or arb would be insurance. But if it's a no-no with full-time I'll keep the full-time. I prefer it, didn't buy it for mileage, could care less, if it were faster and had more torque it could get worse mileage and I'd still smile :-) Been visiting 4x4 commercial web sites, sure isn't much for fsj's around. If I had the aces I'd start buying them up for parts etc. Unfortunately I have a huge half acre lot. :-( However, I am going to visit the guy my son told me about with the J-truck and WAG or Chero that were both marked GOOD PARTS this week. Who knows, maybe one of them will have that 401 !!! C'ya Joe- -heat wave starting, temp is now at 19 F[Back to Top]
Date: 20 Jan 97 01:40:24 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Speaker Replacement in FSJ's MasterDan-at-aol.com writes: >> Call Crutchfiled and order the foam cups that surround the back of the speaker. These will protect the speaker from water and mud that enters inn from the backside. << I lost a good speaker in right door due to water. in the Cherokee about 7 years back. When I replaced it, I hung a piece of thick plastic above the speakers inside the doors and I haven't had a problem since. I now have the foam cups you mention but, they aren't installed yet like most every other part I have for this thing. >> PS: Any good ideas on where to hide an audio amplifier? << Under front seat has been mentioned. On mine, I'm planning to put the CD player under the passenger front seat and the sub-woofer under the driver's seat. Inside a side wall (a better idea on the 2 door SWB FSJs than the 4 drs.) would be a good place to hide an amp. but, it would make the wiring more difficult. Also, there is enough room above the under-dash air cond. unit (for sure on '74-'85 FSJs) to mount a moderate size amp. It would be a difficult job to mount it up in there and air flow may be a concern, but nobody is going to know you have one. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 19-Jan-1997 !^NavFont01F000AMGYHGbHJ9B00C2[Back to Top]
Date: 20 Jan 97 01:40:29 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: 258 vs 360-2v Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> writes: >> Anyway, what you see is the old Net figures vs. the new Gross HP. << Ooops...blew it again. I was trying to type extra fast that night and I got that backwards. New HP is Net HP and Old HP is Gross HP. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 19-Jan-1997 !^NavFont01F000EMGpHGyMG66HGD19532[Back to Top]
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: amp placement in stock 81... ORIG MSG: >> PS: Any good ideas on where to hide an audio amplifier? << ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: Under front seat has been mentioned. On mine, I'm planning to put the CD ORIG MSG: player under the passenger front seat and the sub-woofer under the driver's ORIG MSG: seat. ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: Inside a side wall (a better idea on the 2 door SWB FSJs than the 4 drs.) ORIG MSG: would be a good place to hide an amp. but, it would make the wiring more ORIG MSG: difficult. ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: Also, there is enough room above the under-dash air cond. unit (for sure on ORIG MSG: '74-'85 FSJs) to mount a moderate size amp. It would be a difficult job to ORIG MSG: mount it up in there and air flow may be a concern, but nobody is going to ORIG MSG: know you have one. ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com ORIG MSG: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter ORIG MSG: From Reno, NV USA on 19-Jan-1997 ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: !^NavFont01F000AMGYHGbHJ9B00C2 I removed my stock amp from under the dash, up along the pass side where normal rigs have gloveboxes, there's enough room up there to hold lots of stuff... john[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:51:29 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Off-Road.com fsj pages mostly in place...
Anyway, here's my first quick and dirty stab at it... Should be pretty
easy to add stuff from this point on...
the URL is in my sig file if the link isn't in place yet from the main page.
later,
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:27:12 -0800
From: john <john-at->
Subject: look what I found at: http://unix.off-road.com/jeepcher/
found this while checking links & files on the new fsj page...
germaine to previous discussions...
later,
john
http://unix.off-road.com/jeepcher/
Differential Types (Part 2)
by: Marc Bowers
Last month I covered the basics of differential types and options available
to the Jeep Cherokee owner.
As promised this month's article will be focused on strength issues and
different options for you in your
quest to build your ideal Cherokee. As an aside I will also explain
selectable lockers and their operation.
Finally, I have created a list of the most popular Aftermarket differential
units on the market. Included is
information on difficulty of install and strength of the unit being
presented. I must acknowledge that the
manufacturers are in no way sponsoring this article and that some of the
information shown here is based
on friends who have used these different diffs over the years. I have also
attempted to gather accurate
information from the manufactures in regards to design and operation.
Selectable Lockers
Selectable lockers are the cake with the frosting too. The key to selectable
lockers is the ability of the
driver to control when the differentials are locked and unlocked. This means
with a selectable locker
installed in your vehicle it will drive normally on the road with a standard
open differential, but gives you
the ability to push a button and completely lock the unit when terrain
dictates.
Currently the only selectable locker available for the Cherokee is produced
by ARB in Australia. This
unit is operated using compressed air to lock the axle side gears together
when a locking switch is pressed
giving maximum traction. Powertrax Corporation is developing a selectable
locker for the Cherokee called
the Command Locker, but as of yet it is unavailable.
The List
Prices are approximate.
Tractech E-Z Locker: $235.00
E-Z Locker is an inexpensive locker designed for occasional off-road use.
Tractech doesn't recommend
tires any larger than 32 inches be used with this locker. Installation is
kept simple as this unit reuses the
factory installed open differential carrier to house the locker.
Installation can be accomplished at home in
just a few hours with normal hand tools and nominal mechanical skills.
Operation of the E-Z locker can
be a bit harsh on dry pavement at low speeds. Banging sometimes occurs as
the clutches lock and unlock.
Off highway performance is very good with this locker.
Powertrax Lockright: $290.00
Lockright locking differentials are similar in design to the E-Z locker,
utilizing the factory differential
carrier to house the locker. Installation is very similar to the E-Z locker
and requires only normal hand
tools and mechanical skills. Powertrax does not offer any limitations on
tire size with their unit and it is
sold as a hard-core locking unit. Operation of the Lockright can be
described as noisy at times with
ratcheting and banging of clutch teeth quite noticeable. My experience with
the Lockright is that the unit
is extremely positive and therefore causes some driveability problems on the
street. Off-road locking
action is exceptional and trail manners impeccable.
Tractech Truetrac: $375.00
The Truetrac from Tractech is the exception to the rule of limited slip
differentials using clutches. The
Truetrac uses a unique gear system to limit slip when placed under a load.
Long lasting and not prone to
wear at high rates these diffs should last as long as the original factory
parts. These units are very
smooth and a good choice for installation in a front differential as they
don't hamper steering ability as a
locking diff can. The downfall of the Truetrac is the inability to
completely lock. It is simply less
positive and therefore doesn't offer as much traction as a full locking
differential. This unit is excellent for
people who occasionally travel off-road and would like additional traction
without any noise or loss of
driveability. Installation requires removal and replacement of the complete
differential carrier unit and
will need to be performed by a qualified technician with appropriate tools.
Tractech Detroit Soft-locker:$500.00
The Detroit locker has been THE heavy-duty locker used by four wheelers for
many years. Using it's
own differential carrier unit the Detroit locker is extremely strong and
capable of withstanding severe
off-road punishment. Installation requires a skilled technician with
appropriate tools for "setting up" the
differential. The Detroit is ideal for those individuals who like an
automatic locker and demand total
reliability. On road performance is similar to other lockers though may be a
bit smoother and quieter than
the Lockright and E-Z Locker.
ARB Air Locker: 650.00 + 185.00 for air compressor and install kit.
The ARB Air Locker is the ultimate locking differential. With it's ability
to operate as a normal open
differential and at the touch of a button to be a fully locked unit it
suffers none of the pitfalls of
automatic locking diffs. Installation requires the same skills and tools as
with the Detroit Locker. Also
needed with the Air Locker is the ARB air compressor used to operate the
unit, adding to the initial cost.
The ARB is designed to be extremely strong and reliable so breakage is
unlikely with this unit. Cost is
the single biggest downfall with the ARB as installation can add
considerably to the total price.
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:18:09 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: pages & six cylinders... >got to build it on the cafe and then ftp it over... Tom, that Cherokee of >yours is BEAUTIFUL... I love the grille... The most impressive Cherokee is >Jim the Mechanic's though... Jim, do you have all the info written down >that you could send me? Assuming of course that you want your Cherokee up >there... I'm not sure if trying to get it off of doc's page will work... >I'll try later... > All those Cherokees are BEAUTIFUL, I *LOVE* that yellow one, and I apologize for forgetting who's it is. Like I said before, mine isn't worthy (WE'RE NOT WORTHY!) of having the same name as those on the fsj website. Michael's, Ron's, Tom's etc. Kewl. C'ya Joe- with the UGLIEST Chief on the list![Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:06:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: gear ratios & tire sizes
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Greg Harper wrote:
>
> >get out your record player, put a domino on the paper part in the center, and
> >then put a domino near the edge and turn it on, look at it from above and
> >figure out which is travelling farther!
> >
> >
> >
> True!
> My next question would be which gear set will get me the MOST turn on the axle
> that will FIT in my '70 Cherokee Wide Track?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
> freezer-at-bts.webbits.net
>
I'm running 4.56:1 in my '79 Wide Track. I know gears for the Dana 44 go
as low as 5.88:1 maybe lower. With my 4.56s and 35" tires my top speed is
right around 65 MPH, But she really crawls over the rocks.
Brian
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| briggs-at-genetics.utah.edu | Activities Director UtahFWDA |
| justbr-at-aol.com | Storm Mountain 4X4 SLC Ut |
| | Red Rock 4Wheelers Moab Ut |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
| '79 Jeep Cherokee Sport: AMC 360, T18, Dana20, Dana 44s |
| with Lock-Rites Front & Rear, 35" BFG M/Ts, 4" SkyJacker|
| SoftRide Lift, Some rust, And lots of dents. =8) |
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[Back to Top]Date: 20 Jan 1997 08:10:16 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: key :-( -Reply On Jan 17, 9:47pm, Joe Sego wrote: > Subject: Re: key :-( -Reply > > Ugh, that will require a wheel puller, I don't have one :-( > > Joe- > -8 with 20 mph winds! > >-- End of excerpt from Joe Sego You can borrow one from Auto Zone for free, and maybe Pep Boys or some others too... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: 20 Jan 1997 08:14:12 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: east, west, FSJ's are still the best... I'm on the Third Coast, GOM (Golf of Mexico). Houston Texas, where the air is wetter than the beer <g>. Jeff On Jan 17, 9:33pm, Joe Sego wrote: > Subject: Re: east, west, FSJ's are still the best... > > > >>ever drive through nyc? > >>btw noticed many on this list seem to be from the west coast ,me the east > >>maybe we should have a tally?? > >> > No coasts for me, MIDWEST - Indiana!!!!!!!! > C'ya > Joe > 79 Chief (corn-fed) > > > ******************************************************** > *1979 Cherokee Chief 360-QT-Th-400-Red 110,000 mi. * > *1978 Jeep J-10 Levi 360-QT-Th-400-Brown- parts donor * > *ARS KJ9D - Joe Sego Indianapolis, Indiana * > *jsego-at-ai2a.net - home page http://ai2a.net/~jsego/ * > ******************************************************** > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >-- End of excerpt from Joe Sego[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:21:22 -0700 (MST)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: pages & six cylinders...
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Joe Sego wrote:
> >got to build it on the cafe and then ftp it over... Tom, that Cherokee of
> >yours is BEAUTIFUL... I love the grille... The most impressive Cherokee is
> >Jim the Mechanic's though... Jim, do you have all the info written down
> >that you could send me? Assuming of course that you want your Cherokee up
> >there... I'm not sure if trying to get it off of doc's page will work...
> >I'll try later...
> >
> All those Cherokees are BEAUTIFUL, I *LOVE* that yellow one, and I
> apologize for forgetting who's it is. Like I said before, mine
> isn't worthy (WE'RE NOT WORTHY!) of having the same name as those
> on the fsj website. Michael's, Ron's, Tom's etc. Kewl.
>
> C'ya
> Joe-
> with the UGLIEST Chief on the list!
I bet mine would beat yours out for the ugliest. I'm doing the write-up
now so I can send the pictures to John and Doc.
Brian
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| briggs-at-genetics.utah.edu | Activities Director UtahFWDA |
| justbr-at-aol.com | Storm Mountain 4X4 SLC Ut |
| | Red Rock 4Wheelers Moab Ut |
|---------------------------------------------------------|
| '79 Jeep Cherokee Sport: AMC 360, T18, Dana20, Dana 44s |
| with Lock-Rites Front & Rear, 35" BFG M/Ts, 4" SkyJacker|
| SoftRide Lift, Some rust, And lots of dents. =8) |
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[Back to Top]Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:47:32 -0700 From: dmatheny-at-mutoh.com Subject: RE: pages & six cylinders... >hey guys... >making progress > >did tom anhalts page >working on building something for Micheal >did a J20 from some guy in Phoenix Hey, I resemble that! >put dr. clough's article up there (extracted words like SEARS... :) C Ya, Dan '77 J-20 360 QT, '95 ZJ Laredo 318 QT[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: Nernka-at-aol.com Subject: Re: east, west, FSJ's are still the best... east coast...Maryland. 1980 Cherokee Laredo![Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:13:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: pages & six cylinders... At 09:59 PM 1/19/97 -0800, you wrote: >Anyway, looking through paper today I found a 1975 258, 6cyl, runs great, >can hear, ex. cond. w/ all access.. $250 > >whaddy think? after reading Tom's report on his, 21mpg sounds good... >I'd also drop the R&P's in Old Blue to at least a 3.73... Am I on the >right track or have I totally lost all the marbles I was clutching firmly in >my grip... :) > >back to the HTML stuff... the ORC site is painfully slow to work on, so I've >got to build it on the cafe and then ftp it over... Tom, that Cherokee of >yours is BEAUTIFUL... I love the grille... The most impressive Cherokee is >Jim the Mechanic's though... Jim, do you have all the info written down >that you could send me? Assuming of course that you want your Cherokee up >there... I'm not sure if trying to get it off of doc's page will work... >I'll try later... > >john Well now....don't get too impressed with that picture of the Cherokee, guys. It's amazing how many cosmetic flaws don't show up on a photo. Although the body is rust free, it is far from dent and ding free (it is a Jeep, after all) and the paint sure is getting tired. That 258 sounds like a pretty good deal. Hell...a rebuildable core for $250 would be a pretty good deal. If it is a really good engine, since it's so cheap, I would add on a FI setup right away. I don't think you'll get super good mileage with it unless there's some kind of air/fuel mixture optimizing going on. At least that's what I've learned with the feedback carb setup I have. Unfortunately, I can't report I'm getting 21 mpg any more. I took a trip to Mammoth Lakes this weekend to go skiing. It's about 360 miles one way starting at sea level and having a total elevation gain of over 7000 ft. To make a long story short, the cherokee started making what sounds like a lifter noise, although it very well could be an exhaust leak. It also didn't seem to have as much "oomph" as it normally does. When I stopped for gas on the way up, I was pretty suprised to see I was only getting 14.8 mpg. I expected it to be lower than 20, but not to be back to my original freeway mileage (before I fixed the vacuum advance). Just last week I saw 19.5 on mostly freeway driving around here. On the trip back, it wasn't much better, I got just over 16 mpg. Obviously, something is wrong, so I think I'm going to poke around under the hood tonight and see if I can figure it out. First, I need to figure out if the noise is a lifter or an exhaust leak. I'm leaning towards exhaust leak around the manifold since the noise is much more noticable under load. If there is a leak, maybe it's introducing air into the exhaust manifold and fooling the O2 sensor that the mixture is too lean. That would explain the bad mileage. If it's a lifter, that means to fix it I have to remove the cylinder head. If I have to do that, I'm going to rebuild the engine even though it only has 40-50K on the last rebuild (It was done by some fly-by-night outfit and judging by the quality of their work (or, lack thereof) on the outside of the engine, I sure don't trust what they did on the inside.) If I rebuild, then the fun begins. I've been thinking about modifications I could make to the engine and some of the modification work that Clifford does sounds pretty good. What I really like is the deal where they take a 4.0 high port head, they mill it down so you get 10:1 compression, they install oversized valves (chromed, of course), heavy duty valve springs, indexed spark plugs, and then give you some special washers to help mate it up to a 4.2 block. This costs around $950 because they use brand new factory heads and magnaflux them. If you already have a 4.0 head, they'll do the same stuff to it for about $500. The other thing I've been looking into is the Mopar MPI setup. I've seen one article so far in a 4x4 mag on installing it but I haven't seen any prices yet. After I figure out how much I could spend on this rebuild, then I'll compare that to the cost of the LT-1 swap that Ken Cyr did (since I truly consider that to be the ultimate solution). I have a feeling it still will be cheaper to build up what I have. Oh well...I guess everyone doesn't have a wrecked Trans-Am just sitting in their yard. -Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
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