Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:23:26 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: SV: R&P Ratios
excellent post frank...
will email more later, system on the fritz here...
tty this evening... have some ideas for
Old Blue...
like:
I-6 258 / jacobs / fuel injection
3.73 gears?
what kind of mileage to expect?
best ratio?
using tf727 and np 219...
would the I-6 bolt right up? would I have
to move the mounts forward or back?
thanx,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:30:25 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Lowered Cherokee (fwd) all I can say is... wow... poor doggy... :( john FROM: Paul Weitlauf Subject: Lowered Cherokee Urban Legend? Where's the pictures? >This is supposedly a true story with pictures to back it up. > >Seems a couple got a new Jeep Cherokee for Christmas and drove it to visit >relatives in Michigan. The guys decided to do that male bonding ritual of >duck hunting. So they load up the Cherokee with decoys, food, beer, guns, >warm clothes, etc and head off for the lake. Now it's a little known fact >that when duck hunting in cold climates like that it's common to drive the >truck out onto the ice. > >It's also a little known fact that, to break a hole in the ice for the >decoys, a stick of dynamite is commonly used. Now this particular stick >of dynamite had a short fuse, estimated at 20 seconds or so. Normally you >put the dynamite on the ice, light the fuse, and run away. But with only >20 seconds they didn't want to do that, they might slip while running. So >the guy lights the fuse and throws the stick of dynamite out onto the ice. > >Their well trained Labrador Retriever runs out onto the ice and, just as >he's done several times before, picks up the lit stick of dynamite in >his mouth and starts running back to the group of guys. The guys start >yelling at the dog but, as he's played fetch so many times before, he >just keeps bringing the stick back to his master. One of the guys thinks >fast and loads his shotgun, and shoots the dog. As it's loaded with bird >shot the dog isn't hurt much and is confused. The guy shoots the dog >again. The dog gets scared and runs, stick in his mouth, under the >Cherokee. > >The Cherokee is now at the bottom of the lake. The insurance company >won't pay up because it was destroyed due to an illegal use of explosives >The first payment was due December 15. Happy New Year! 299,792,458 meters per second: Paul Weitlauf It's not just a good idea, it's the law. mailto:evqc397-at-kgv1.bems.b.com[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:32:52 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: fsj logo At 12:12 PM 1/21/97 -0800, you wrote: > >joe, > >I can't make up my mind between the silver letters or the >yellow letters that appear on Brian Riggs ORC page. >One is at the top and one at the bottom... > >Perhaps we should poll the FSJ folks to see... I'm leaning >toward the yellow letters. Well it makes no difference to me. I want two of them, one for each side window. It should be noted that FreeLance Lettering will be doing them at cost. Since we are a non-profit organization (hmmm, wonder who told them that?) they can do them. But, anyone else please feel free to get pricing somewhere else. My son nor I will be making anything on these, he thinks they can be had for $2 or less each. Seems fair to me. So lets hear it, pick a logo and tell us how many. Joe-[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:33:50 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: pages & six cylinders... ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: In a message dated 97-01-21 02:12:10 EST, you write: ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: > it looks like AMC's exteriors are as varied as everything else. ORIG MSG: > those Golden Eagle models were rare weren't they? ORIG MSG: > in the Standard catalog of 4x4's by Robert C. Ackerson... great book btw, if this message looks like crap, I'm typing from the firewall console... trying to see if I have any important mail... john will respond this evening with isbn number... ORIG MSG: Any body got prodoction numbers broke down into options models? ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: --------------------------------------------------- ORIG MSG: To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command ORIG MSG: "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG:[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:39:10 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: '89 --> '78 Grill Swap.
John,
would you mind if I put this up on the ORC FSJ tech page?
I'm considering doing a little easir swap an 82 chero to
my 81 wag... soon as I find a grille...
I don't mind the square headlight...
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Emissions stuff sure is expensive Hi there FSJers, Well, last night I figured out that the tapping noise I was hearing on my ski trip was in fact an exhaust leak. It seems the air injection manifold had a couple leaks where the tubes are brazed into the fittings that are attached to the exhaust manifold. In fact, one of the tubes came right out of the fitting. So today, I trudged over to the Jeep dealer at lunch to get a new air injection manifold. The parts guy commented that he remembered that it was a pretty expensive piece, around $90, he thinks. Well...he looks up the price and it turns out to be $190!!!!!. Hell, for another $100 I could go buy a Clifford header!..Sheesh. Then he explains to me that since CA just enacted some tougher smog laws, that all of the sudden the prices on the emissions parts all doubled. Sounds to me like Chrysler is trying to gouge the CA public since they figure they're the only source for this stuff and now more people are going to have to buy the parts since there isn't a $50 limit on the repairs for the smog testing. I can't believe the supply would be so limited on this stuff that it would increase the prices that much. It sure seems like the government just created a monopoly for Chrysler and then forced everyone to use it. This really sucks! Oh well...at least replacing the manifold shouldn't be so hard. It will be interesting to see if this leak was the cause of the bad mileage (relatively speaking, of course) I was getting. One nice thing about the feedback carb setup is that it seems like I can usually tell if something's wrong with the engine just by monitoring the gas mileage. -Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:58:30 +0100 From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no> Subject: SV: fsj logo ---------- > Fra: john <john-at-> > Til: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Emne: Re: fsj logo > Dato: 21. januar 1997 21:12 > > > joe, > > I can't make up my mind between the silver letters or the > yellow letters that appear on Brian Riggs ORC page. > One is at the top and one at the bottom... > > Perhaps we should poll the FSJ folks to see... I'm leaning > toward the yellow letters. > > Brian, outstanding work, I really like it. > > I really like it too,and I want it. Is there impossible or very costly to make them in different colours? I meen if we can't make up our minds. Frank Norway[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:08:12 -0500 (EST) From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11-at-Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu> Subject: Newbie and question Hello, My name is Clayton Pierce. I just subscribed to this list today, and would like to introduce myself. I live in the upper-east corner of Tennessee, about 45 miles from Asheville, NC. I don't currently own a Jeep, but joined this list because I am considering buying one. The Jeep I'm looking at buying is an old (Wagoneer I think). It is the real squared off version that came before the one that was out in the late 60's. I don't know Jeeps too well (hopefully that will change). I was hoping that you all could help me identify exactly what this is. The body on it is pretty good. There is no rust anywhere, but the paint is quite faded. The motor is all there except for the starter. I didn't look as closely as I wanted to because of lack of time, but it had either an inline 4 or 6 cylinder in it. I think it WAS 4WD. The interior is also quite good except for a few rats' nests. The man wants $300 for it. It has been sitting for a very long time, but I don't think the motor is locked up or anything. What kind of a price is this, is that good for one of these, bad, should I jump on it immediatly? Do any of you know how much a starter for one of these would cost? What motor is this probably? I'll get some more information on it in the next day or two. Its been sitting in the same spot for a year or two now, so I don't think that I need worry about somebody buying it out from under me. I'm on the digest version because of lack of space, and so I would appreciate it if you could reply directly to zcwp11-at-Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu. Thank You for any information, Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Motoring, Clayton Pierce, zcwp11-at-Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu '84 Olds. Cutlass (350 4bbl. TH400 69k miles) '80 Rover 3500 (SD1) (215 EFI V8 85k miles) '72 Merc. Marquis Brougham (429 4bbl. C-6 110k miles) Maybe coming soon: '64 Rambler station wagon (195.6 I6 BW ? miles) '?? OLD Full Size Jeep[Back to Top]
Date: 21 Jan 1997 14:34:14 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: fsj logo I'd like a couple, whichever looks better would suit me. Jeff On Jan 21, 2:32pm, Joe Sego wrote: > Subject: Re: fsj logo > > At 12:12 PM 1/21/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > My son nor I will be making anything on these, he thinks they > can be had for $2 or less each. Seems fair to me. > So lets hear it, pick a logo and tell us how many. > > Joe- > > >-- End of excerpt from Joe Sego[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:26:16 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: WS banners At 12:29 PM 1/21/97 -0700, you wrote: >Anybody seen their WS banner yet, "It a Jeep thing you wouldn't understand" >? Just curious > >Terry Rust > Come to think of it, neither have I. Anyone else? Jim Sterling[Back to Top]
Date: 21 Jan 1997 14:35:46 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: '89 --> '78 Grill Swap. John Meister Saw a grill with the JEEP in the middle of the top like you want, but it was busted in a couple spots. If I find one, I'll let ya know. I assume you're still looking for one? Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:24:21 -0700 (MST)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: fsj logo
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Joe Sego wrote:
>
> Is the new logo on the Off-Road pages a done deal?
> Nice work Brian. If so I can grab that and let my son take the
> file to work and get us pricing. How large do we want it?
> It would be cool for shipping if they would fit in a regular
> legal size envelope.
>
> Can it be had in another format? When I told him it was
> jpeg, gif etc he didn't care for that too much. Now I don't
> remember what they prefered!!!
>
> We'll need some kind of idea of how many to make. 100?
> The more we order the cheaper they are. He said he can
> always run a few more later.
>
> C'ya
> Joe-
My Idea on this was that maybe some others would throw in some ideas and
we could choose one or merge a couple of ideas into one. I can save the
ones I did as almost any format. Jpeg is just a good format for electronic
transfers because the files are smaller for the same size pic.
Brian
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[Back to Top]Date: 21 Jan 1997 14:37:32 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Emissions stuff sure is expensive Tom, Send me the Chrysler Part Number and I'll price it here in TX. jeff On Jan 21, 2:46pm, Tom Anhalt wrote: > Subject: Emissions stuff sure is expensive > > So today, I trudged over to the Jeep dealer at lunch to get a new air > injection manifold. The parts guy commented that he remembered that it was > a pretty expensive piece, around $90, he thinks. Well...he looks up the > price and it turns out to be $190!!!!!. Hell, for another $100 I could go > buy a Clifford header!..Sheesh. Then he explains to me that since CA just > enacted some tougher smog laws, that all of the sudden the prices on the > emissions parts all doubled. > Sounds to me like Chrysler is trying to gouge the CA public since they > figure they're the only source for this stuff and now more people are going > to have to buy the parts since there isn't a $50 limit on the repairs for > the smog testing. I can't believe the supply would be so limited on this > stuff that it would increase the prices that much. It sure seems like the > government just created a monopoly for Chrysler and then forced everyone to > use it. This really sucks! > > -Tom Anhalt > '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo > '65 Buick Special Convertible > Santa Barbara, CA > >-- End of excerpt from Tom Anhalt[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: SV: R&P Ratios At 12:23 PM 1/21/97 -0800, you wrote: >tty this evening... have some ideas for >Old Blue... > >like: > >I-6 258 / jacobs / fuel injection >3.73 gears? > >what kind of mileage to expect? > The only difference to what you described and what I'm running is the R/P gearing and the FI. Mine has 3.31 gearing. Usually (when everythings working), I've been getting around 15-16 mpg around town and have gotten up to 21 on the freeway (-at-65mph). Although your gearing would be lower, I would expect you would probably get around the same since the FI should give you some mileage gains. >best ratio? > >using tf727 and np 219... > One thing I noticed on the last trip while travelling through areas that have a 70mph speed limit, is that at these engine rpms, the I6 doesn't have a lot of staying power if you hit a grade. It seems to like to cruise at around 60-65 mph. This makes sense because with my setup, the engine rpm at 60 is 2150 which corresponds to the peak torque of 195 ft-lbs -at- 2000 rpm. When I'm cruising at 70-75 mph, the rpms are at 2500-2700 rpm. I think this is just too far from the torque peak. I guess what I'm saying is that you should probably pick the gearing based on your tire size and cruising speed and try to match it to the torque peak. I'm contemplating 33 in. tires when the current 31s wear out and the nice thing about this is that it will drop that cruise rpm (-at-65) from 2300 to 2100 rpm. The big tradeoff here is that going to higher gearing will affect some of your offroad ability or "off the line" acceleretion. This just means you'll probably want to hit low range in the transfer case a little sooner. >would the I-6 bolt right up? would I have >to move the mounts forward or back? > >thanx, >john > I've looked into this before. The I6 will bolt right up to your 727. You will probably need to change the torque converter since the V8s and the I6s used different stall speeds. As far as motor mounts go, you should just be able to pick up some FSJ I6 motor mounts and just bolt them right to the frame in the current location. In fact, you don't even have to change the outlet locations on your radiator. If you plan on going this route, John, I would encourage you to take the opportunity to make some mods to the engine while it's outside of old Blue. Just some things like changing the cam, using an aftermarket intake (which you may need for the FI anyway), adding a header. If chosen right, these things should improve the economy along with the increase in power. It probably wouldn't be too hard to equal or surpass the specs on your current 360 with just a little modification. Have fun! -Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:41:27 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: Re: Emissions stuff sure is expensive At 12:46 PM 1/21/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi there FSJers, > >Well, last night I figured out that the tapping noise I was hearing on my >ski trip was in fact an exhaust leak. It seems the air injection manifold >had a couple leaks where the tubes are brazed into the fittings that are >attached to the exhaust manifold. In fact, one of the tubes came right out >of the fitting. >So today, I trudged over to the Jeep dealer at lunch to get a new air >injection manifold. The parts guy commented that he remembered that it was >a pretty expensive piece, around $90, he thinks. Well...he looks up the >price and it turns out to be $190!!!!!. Hell, for another $100 I could go >buy a Clifford header!..Sheesh. Then he explains to me that since CA just >enacted some tougher smog laws, that all of the sudden the prices on the >emissions parts all doubled. >Sounds to me like Chrysler is trying to gouge the CA public since they >figure they're the only source for this stuff and now more people are going >to have to buy the parts since there isn't a $50 limit on the repairs for >the smog testing. I can't believe the supply would be so limited on this >stuff that it would increase the prices that much. It sure seems like the >government just created a monopoly for Chrysler and then forced everyone to >use it. This really sucks! > >Oh well...at least replacing the manifold shouldn't be so hard. It will be >interesting to see if this leak was the cause of the bad mileage (relatively >speaking, of course) I was getting. One nice thing about the feedback carb >setup is that it seems like I can usually tell if something's wrong with the >engine just by monitoring the gas mileage. > >-Tom Anhalt >'81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo >'65 Buick Special Convertible >Santa Barbara, CA > Tom, Hold on, Before you buy that part. What side is it. I may, repeat may have another air injection manifold.If I do, you can have it, wife wants me to clean out some stuff. I am in Simi Valley, so shipping should not be much. Also have 4 15x8 rims (were white, now spray can black) with Jeep caps that screw on from the back if anybody is interested. The rims could probably be repainted/powdercoated white pretty cheap. Reply direct if possible. Jim Sterling[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:34:51 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: Emissions stuff sure is expensive >Oh well...at least replacing the manifold shouldn't be so hard. It will be >interesting to see if this leak was the cause of the bad mileage (relatively >speaking, of course) I was getting. One nice thing about the feedback carb >setup is that it seems like I can usually tell if something's wrong with the >engine just by monitoring the gas mileage. > >-Tom Anhalt >'81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo >'65 Buick Special Convertible >Santa Barbara, CA > Tom, just for the heck of it, give me that Jeep part number and I'll call a local dealer to check the price here. Maybe it's only a CA price increase. We have zero smog testing here. They dont even talk about it. Too many farmers I think. :-) C'ya Joe-[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:26:14 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Wallace <redgator-at-bu.edu> Subject: Lunch/ Muscle cars. I'm a young 'un and I missed out on a lot of the really cool muscle cars. Seen a SCrambler...way cool. There is an AMX running around campus with a for sale sign on it...it's pretty beat though...not terribly straight, standard New England cancer. It's one of the later ones. Dodge Chargers, Mustangs, Buick GS's...all before my time. All cars with a lot more style than today's cars...what are people gonna be restoring twenty years from now from today's cars? Pickups and other 4x's, but I doubt that you'll see too many 5.Slow Mustangs or their wimpier cousins being restored. Ex Girlfiend had one of those...they have a wreched safety record because kids don't think that DWI applies to them. Anyway my Wagoneer with the duct tape on the quarter panels will happily eat a 5.Slow for lunch. Gonna shove a 440 in a Duster one of these days mainly because the Duster is the pinacle of the Chrysler/Fisher Price collaboration. Then I'm gonna tune it and try and find a Porsche. I may drag a Duster out of New Mexico for a solid car. Doc...I just checked my Page...still worked fine...then I went to your page to find what the problem was...it's /jeep.html not /jeep.htm. It's really out of date...come spring break I'll probably update it. As for factory colors if you decide to repaint Timex, a paint dealer should have these...When I painted my Wagoneer when I was seventeen and knew everything I went to the paint store...they opened the book there were a bunch of colors (mine was a factory two tone red on darker red....I've seen another one like this blue on darker blue) with a one and a half inch fake wood strip rather than the big wall paper. It's all "Vintage Red" now which was a factory color in 81. All the colors were seperated by make and year. I think Jeep and AMC each had their own color options. I used a Du-Pont Centari Enamel which is an Acrylic Enamel. A Polyurathane enamel like Imron is supposedly tougher, but it's harder to apply, harder to repair, and a lot more dangerous. My Prep work had a lot of imperfections in it mainly due to the fact that my body was all banged up. I also used 600 grit sandpaper when I should have been using 400. My Next paint job tenatively scheduled for about 18 months from now will hopefully come out better...I'm gonna try and talk the solar car club into letting me shoot the solar car for practice. Unfortuantely the pictures don't convey the hidiousness of my Wagoneer. As near as i can remember the roof and the two passenger side doors are the only straight panels on it. One quarter panel is a re-pop and wasn't put on right. Both are covered with tape. Senior year of high school I had the carpet out and low and behold the floor was still really solid. I also called a few yards back in New Mexico yesterday looking for a tranny. I can get one with a warrantee for $250, and one without for $100. The yard that wants $100 is the yard with Mr. Civil War behind the counter. The office is a little one room shack...the guy behind the counter looks a little like Charlie Daniels (and probably enjoys a lot of Jack Daniels) and has been seen on more than one occasion wearing a Confederate Officers uniform. He has a sign on the wall that reads "If you bought the wrong part, you now have a spare". He's real cheap and he's the only guy out on Broadway (In ABQ New Mexico) who still lets you out in the yard. People talk about New England having too many regulations, but Smiths in North Franklin Connecticut has always been really good about that. Lotta the time back home a yard would see a bunch of kids (I guess that's what we were in high school) and not wanna let us see the part on the car before we bought it. That kind of yard doesn't get my business. Just Checked out the Off road page. Looks good...I probably ought to write the 19,000 miles in one year into a story (there is no better way to do it than in a full sized Jeep. Nice Jeep there Mick...I especially like the whitewalls and the uhhhhh, Driver. Brian (Riggs), you also got a nice Jeep...paint's cool. You paint it yourself? Anyway I guess that's enough verboseness from me...gotta go do school work. Later mark[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:56:03 -0800 From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net> Subject: FSJ Logo Well, I kinda like the yellow letters better. Of course I like the old (last month?) logo that said Internationl Full Size Jeep Association with the AMC RED/WHITE/BLUE behind it, but hey what do I know! Jim Sterling[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:55:50 -0500 (EST) From: Louhg-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Emissions stuff sure is expensive In a message dated 97-01-21 16:23:34 EST, you write: << injection manifold. The parts guy commented that he remembered that it was a pretty expensive piece, around $90, he thinks. Well...he looks up the price and it turns out to be $190!!!!!. >> how about the junkyard's??? gotta be cheaper there. do you have the time for that,can it wait or not? louhg rusty83[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:57:15 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Clayton-need address Hey Clayton, I sent a response but it came back, tried it again, it came back. I need your e-mail address once again. Joe- 79 Chief[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:23:58 -0500 (EST) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: 360 oil pressure.. In a message dated 97-01-21 17:04:40 EST, you write: > > also, I'd avoid using Pennzoil, it foams and varnishes... > recommend Castrol, or Kendall... or AMSOIL sythenic... > peole have told me not to use penzoil before, but dad used it all his life, and I have for 15 years of mine, I sit really that bad? this is the first problem Iv had with it! Consumer reports thought very highly of penze several years back, now they say all of the conventional oils are the same...[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:23:50 -0500 (EST) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj logo In a message dated 97-01-21 16:58:11 EST, you write: > > > > My son nor I will be making anything on these, he thinks they > > can be had for $2 or less each. Seems fair to me. > > So lets hear it, pick a logo and tell us how many. > > > > Joe- > > Count me in for a couple of these also![Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:28:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Emissions stuff sure is expensive At 02:37 PM 1/21/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Tom, > Send me the Chrysler Part Number and I'll price it here in TX. > >jeff Too late, I already bought. I probably could have gotten it cheaper through one of the Jeep dealers with mail order like Leon Rosser of Savannah Jones but I wanted to fix it tonight. Oh well...you sometimes pay for having it right now. -Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:31:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Emissions stuff sure is expensive At 01:41 PM 1/21/97 -0800, you wrote: >Tom, > >Hold on, Before you buy that part. What side is it. I may, repeat may have >another air injection manifold.If I do, you can have it, wife wants me to >clean out some stuff. I am in Simi Valley, so shipping should not be much. >Also have 4 15x8 rims (were white, now spray can black) with Jeep caps that >screw on from the back if anybody is interested. The rims could probably be >repainted/powdercoated white pretty cheap. > >Reply direct if possible. > >Jim Sterling > It's for the only side there is. I guess I forget to mention it's an I6 engine. -Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Emissions stuff sure is expensive At 04:34 PM 1/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >> >Tom, just for the heck of it, give me that Jeep part >number and I'll call a local dealer to check the >price here. Maybe it's only a CA price increase. >We have zero smog testing here. They dont even talk about it. >Too many farmers I think. :-) > >C'ya >Joe- > > Just call the dealer and say you need an air injection manifold for an '81 Cherokee with the 258 I6 engine. They should be able to go from that. Just in case, it is a CA model, too. -Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: gear ratios & tire sizes In a message dated 97-01-21 14:56:23 EST, you write: > > Two coolers eh? Where did you mount them? > I almost bought a tranny cooler the other nite > but wasn't sure of the quality of Auto-Zone, $30 > > Heat is the #1 killer of auto trannys > The JEEP came with one aftwemarket cooler slapped in front of the rad., I left it inplace, but reconnected the cooler inside the radiator, and bought that new alminum black finned $60 cooler at autozone in front of the other cooler in fron of the radiator.. I plan to instal a temp guage in the cooler line one of these days..[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:42:38 -0500 (EST) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: pages & six cylinders... In a message dated 97-01-21 13:47:15 EST, you write: > I would like one. How much $$$? thanks > > Jim Sterling > I have only found the larger ones Jim, Im not sure how much the salvage yard willwant for them, they are pretty hefty so shipping will be a few bucks.. I will check the next time i am out there, and I work pretty cheap![Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Emissions stuff sure is expensive At 04:55 PM 1/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-01-21 16:23:34 EST, you write: > ><< injection manifold. The parts guy commented that he remembered that it >was > a pretty expensive piece, around $90, he thinks. Well...he looks up the > price and it turns out to be $190!!!!!. >> >how about the junkyard's??? >gotta be cheaper there. >do you have the time for that,can it wait or not? >louhg >rusty83 Since I plan on keeping this rig for awhile, I've been leaning towards using new parts as much as possible when something needs to be replaced. For example, I bought a new radiator when my old one could have been fixed just by silver soldering the cracks in the top tank. But then I'd have an old patched up radiator that I wouldn't trust for heavy duty use. Usually the price difference isn't that great (except for this part). Judging by the looks of the new air injection manifold, the construction and material is much better than the one that broke. This one should last a long time. I guess I just don't feel like having to fix something every year just because I'm too cheap to buy a new part. I would be curious to see how much this part costs (new) in other states. -Tom Anhalt '81 Wide-Track Cherokee Laredo '65 Buick Special Convertible Santa Barbara, CA[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:31:32 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net> Subject: Re: fsj logo snip- > My Idea on this was that maybe some others would throw in some ideas and >we could choose one or merge a couple of ideas into one. I can save the >ones I did as almost any format. Jpeg is just a good format for electronic >transfers because the files are smaller for the same size pic. > >Brian > Well let's blame John :-) Since I saw it on the Off-road pages I thought it was 'carved in stone' so to speak. Didn't mean to jump the gun. We've talked about it for some time, I figured it was time to act. > *---------------------------------------------------------* > | briggs-at-genetics.utah.edu | Activities Director UtahFWDA | > | justbr-at-aol.com | Storm Mountain 4X4 SLC Ut | > | | Red Rock 4Wheelers Moab Ut | > |---------------------------------------------------------| > | '79 Jeep Cherokee Sport: AMC 360, T18, Dana20, Dana 44s | > | with Lock-Rites Front & Rear, 35" BFG M/Ts, 4" SkyJacker| > | SoftRide Lift, Some rust, And lots of dents. =8) | > *---------------------------------------------------------* > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:55:43 -0800 From: kenc-at-softthought.com (Ken Cyr) Subject: Re:Re: V8 swap opinions needed > From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca> > Subject: Re: V8 swap opinions needed > > Ken Cyr wrote: > > > > Why not buy an Edelbrock Performer intake and an aftermarket EFI kit. > > Howell > > makes the best (IMHO) kit for Jeeps using all GM parts for about > > $1000. > > Would you happen to have part numbers for these? I want to get a price > on them. > > Gord Call Howell and ask for the price list or ask for Bill Howell, he will talk part numbers with you. You WILL run into problems without the custom wiring harness and eprom (memcal?) programming that Howell does. However you may be able to just order the harness, eprom, parts list and instructions from Howell, and then get the parts from a donor vehicle or GM parts counter...hey! good idea, maybe save some bucks. If you are thinking about dropping the 500 or so bucks for that cheapie Holley EFI kit, think about this: When was the last time you heard someone complain about the TBI EFI on 1989 thru 1995 GM fullsized trucks? Everyone I've met who has used the Holley kit has had problems... -Ken Disclaimer: I am not associated with anyone, I just have a little "Been there, done that" experience to share.[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:54:26 -0500 (EST) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: pages & six cylinders... In a message dated 97-01-21 14:48:24 EST, you write: > > btw, I'll gladly pay for one of those large emblems, heck > maybe I'll make a necklace out of it :-) > > C'ya > Joe- > 79 Chief > Hey joe Ill be glad to get you all of the emblems you want, I know of 6 right now the large ones... Didnt you have a center cap? maybe some kind of deal brewing here, What is the easiest way to remove these emblems, the small one I got from the Glove box almost broke my hand![Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:59:16 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: jeff moffat u have a narrow chero and 16" tires??!! )O that is NOT OEM! -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:17:14 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Re: SV: R&P Ratios Frank wrote: > Engine: > a V8 usualy have a lower peak torque than a Six or a Four so you could have > a higher gearing(lower numbers) a six will gets its max torque at a lower rpm than an v8! > > Tire type: > A Swamper are heavier and more difficult to roll than a All-Terrain, you > need more power from your engine to move the truck these tires may weigh the same but the swamper might have less rollng resistance because of less tread in contact with the ground. > > mph x axle ratio x transmission ratio x transfer case ratio x 336 > _____________________________________________________ = RPM > > Tire diameter > > Let's say you got and Jeep with a 360 / TH 400 / Q-T / combination with > 3,73:1 R&P and 33" tires. Here is the cruise RPM in 70 mph 3th and > high-range > > 70 x 3,73 x 1 x 1 x 336 > ____________________ = 2658 RPM > > 33 this formula only works with MANUAL tranies, the non lockup AT's will have a little more rpm at cruise than lockup AT's. at 3000rpm with 427 rp and 32 BFG AT i cruise at 60mph. but if i do the math, i should cruise at 2700rpm > i got a rebuilt th400, got the speedo adaptor to correct for the new tire size, andthe tac works :) -- Sincerely Kenneth Wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:13:31 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: fsj logo ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: snip- ORIG MSG: > My Idea on this was that maybe some others would throw in some ideas and ORIG MSG: >we could choose one or merge a couple of ideas into one. I can save the ORIG MSG: >ones I did as almost any format. Jpeg is just a good format for electronic ORIG MSG: >transfers because the files are smaller for the same size pic. ORIG MSG: > ORIG MSG: >Brian ORIG MSG: > ORIG MSG: Well let's blame John :-) Since I saw it on the Off-road pages I thought it ORIG MSG: was 'carved in stone' so to speak. Didn't mean to jump the gun. We've talked ORIG MSG: about it for some time, I figured it was time to act. If you look around, I think I have multiple versions floating around... The two I mentioned this morning are my favorite... the ones on Brian's page... john[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: 360 oil pressure.. ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: In a message dated 97-01-21 17:04:40 EST, you write: ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: > ORIG MSG: > also, I'd avoid using Pennzoil, it foams and varnishes... ORIG MSG: > recommend Castrol, or Kendall... or AMSOIL sythenic... ORIG MSG: > ORIG MSG: peole have told me not to use penzoil before, but dad used it all his life, ORIG MSG: and I have for 15 years of mine, I sit really that bad? this is the first ORIG MSG: problem Iv had with it! ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: Consumer reports thought very highly of penze several years back, now they ORIG MSG: say all of the conventional oils are the same... Consumer Reports? There testing methodology is seriously flawed for just about anything technical. I've lost all confidence in their suggestions... I won't go into all the gory details, but they don't follow industry standards, if there are any and they jump to wild conclusions based on faulty data... I've seen what Pennzoil does to motors inside, it's not pretty... Probably not the source of your problem though... the sending unit or gauge is... john[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:18:23 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: FSJ Logo ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: Well, I kinda like the yellow letters better. Of course I like the old (last ORIG MSG: month?) logo that said Internationl Full Size Jeep Association with the AMC ORIG MSG: RED/WHITE/BLUE behind it, but hey what do I know! ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: Jim Sterling ORIG MSG: nothing to say we can't have both... but the IFSJA thing is a doc site one... I can't use it on the ORC thing... both are cool... I like the yellow letters better too... john[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:20:19 -0800 (PST) From: john <john-at-> Subject: Re: WS banners ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: At 12:29 PM 1/21/97 -0700, you wrote: ORIG MSG: >Anybody seen their WS banner yet, "It a Jeep thing you wouldn't understand" ORIG MSG: >? Just curious ORIG MSG: > ORIG MSG: >Terry Rust ORIG MSG: > ORIG MSG: Come to think of it, neither have I. Anyone else? ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: Jim Sterling didn't they say about 6 weeks... ? john[Back to Top]
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