Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 21:12:58 CST From: Eric=Lusk%Student%USF-at-cs1.thecoo.edu Subject: re: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? Randy- Before you go swapping out the converter in your trans: The locking converter in the TF727 may get you better gas mileage, but I've heard quite a few complaints about longevity problems. There's apparently a lot more weight on the lockup converters, and it tends to wear things out faster. Of course, it depends on how you drive. If you drive a lot of highway/freeway miles, it can pay for itself. Eric(shaggy-at-thecoo.edu) '81 Wag, 258/727[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:11:32 EST From: crisper-at-juno.com (Christopher J Biernacki) Subject: smells like gas hi chris here again in addition to the recent book that i have sent to the list on my 401 issues, i remembered a question i had: when the 401 was in the 76 cherokee and running, the inside of the truck would smell like gas... not just gas, but GAS! and it would be worse with the windows open. as i said in my other email, i think there was a stuck exhaust valve could these two things possibly be related? maybe it's something else what could it be? thanks for the answer cb[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:11:32 EST From: crisper-at-juno.com (Christopher J Biernacki) Subject: 401 rod or wrist pin, body lift etc! update (not too long, i hope) Hi Hey Michael, thanks for checkin' up on me. well, i took off the valve covers and discovered a rocker that was sloppy loose, i think i have a valve that is sticking a little. let me tell you why i think that: i took the rocker arm off and put it back on and the sloppy rocker arm was no longer sloppy, so i figured the valve (exhaust) must have come back out when i pushed on it by hand... that may explain all the backfiring, huh? could be? that is where i have had to stop for now until the guy that i am doing this with gets back into town, since everything else is kind of a two person job thing next steps: (not necessarily in order) - lift body of 73 wagoneer with blocks that i ordered from the nice 4x4 place down the road (off road ltd., aurora, colorado) - pull 360 out of 73 - put 401 from 76 cherokee in 73 wagoneer - deal with 401 valve issue (keep fingers crossed) - take the rest of the stuff off of the 76 cherokee that i think i will need - put the 360 in my friends cj-7 - oh yea, pull the current engine outta the cj-7 (there's some other stuff going on with the cj, but you don't wanna hear about that...) - fix everything else on the 73 wagoneer (that should be easy, huh?) - maybe get ANOTHER cherokee (if the price is right, can't remember year) and put that 401(and tilt steering column) in the cj-7 instead, and maybe the wider axles on the 73 - start a jeep salvage yard... no, i mean get rid of all the extra parts not too much, huh? maybe we will be done by this time next year at least i got the heater, windshield wiper fluid thingy, and all the cool green dash lights working on the 73 wagoneer, right? that is way more information that you were looking for, wasn't it? updates as they happen, i promise later... cb[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 22:26:21 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? Billy 79 J10 360 t400d20 Iwanna go to a 727 and 208!!! >>>>>>> Well Billy, in that case why don't you go to a 426 Hemi while you got the 727 happenin'? Or at least a 440. HEE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE![Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 22:38:37 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Break-In oil John- what flavor of oil do you recommend for the break-in on this 258 I'm workin on? If it's dino what flavor and when can I go to synthetic? Who is the AMSOIL dealer near me? I want to change to rears out and pack the bearings. What should I ask for? Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:14:07 -0600 (CST)
From: brad alan reardon <bareardo-at-students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Not Fsj-Related/ Jokes/ So Whinning People Stay Away
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:32:05 -0600 (CST)
From: jolie rochelle vantrepotte <vantrepo-at-students.uiuc.edu>
To: brad alan reardon <bareardo-at-students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Fw: Joke: Top 15 Potential Problems With Cloning Human (fwd)
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Insanity:
When people keep repeating the same behavior over and over and
expect different results.
-Albert Einstein
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>
> The Top 15 Potential Problems With Cloning Humans
>
> 15. Harder than ever to land a role in those new Wrigley s commercials
> featuring the Doublemint Octuplets.
> 14. Two words: Gilbert Gottfried(s)
> 13. Any scientific advancement that stems from the result of Scottish
> people doing strange things to sheep is bound to have dire
consequences.
> 12. In mere weeks, Bill Gates (v1.0, v1.2, v2.0, v3.0, v3.1 & v5.0) has
> all the money on the entire planet.
> 11. Hillary s husband discovers true multiple orgasms.
> 10. If you think there are too many idiots shouting Show me the money!
> on every occasion now, just wait.
> 9. Rush Limbaugh takes his self-affection to a whole new level, and
> suddenly is IN FAVOR of same-sex marriages.
> 8. Penn & Penn & Teller & Teller & Teller & Penn & Penn & Teller & Penn
> much harder to fit on comedy club marquee.
> 7. And you think it s hard to find your size now!
> 6. 18-month waiting list for George Clooney and Cindy Crawford clones.
> 5. Alternative radio filled with even more Nirvana clones.
> 4. And the final score: the New York Gretzkys - 408, the Pittsburgh
> Lemieuxs - 399.
> 3. Can no longer count on the Grim Reaper to get Jesse Helms out of
office.
> 2. Those apocalyptic words: Ladies & Gentlemen: The John Tesh
> Philharmonic Orchestra!
>
> and the Number 1 Potential Problem With Cloning
Humans... >
> 1. Seventeen Mark Fuhrmans, and suddenly OJ s defense doesn t seem quite
> as far-fetched.
>
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:31:08 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" <kenns-at-concentric.net> Subject: Re: Wag parts Dave Read wrote: > > Not sure about the power brake booster. The 67 came with a spare when I > bought it. I'm not sure if either are original, and I think the spare > needed to be rebuilt. You might want to check into having yours rebuilt. > The 67 had a (welded toghther by a hack) 2-piece rear axle, which I > replaced with a 79 narrow track D44, still have to hook up the driveshaft. > The brakes were poor, probably for multiple reasons. The 64 is a body only > atop a mid 70's frame, currently engine-less. Done by the previous owner > with a crane. How's that for a way to get disks and D44's? 64 Dash won't > fit the 70's steering column, at least not a bolt in. I seem to end up > with other peoples failed projects, hopefully my wife has more patience > than their wives did. The 63 may have been manual brakes, I'll have to > check. > > Do you have a Super Wagoneer? Stock or Modified? modified Any tips for me? u have a Super? Should > I stay with the old two piece axles, or use the 6 bolt D44s? the 6 bolt FSJ d44 is off set more to the right than the OEM diff, but many on the list have the same cambo in their jtrucks and have no problems. i u switch BOTH axles i c no probs. i have a 70 wag axle in the rear and the shocks bilt up fine. the same goes for the 76 fron diff!! What do you think of the > rear D44 Full Floating kit from 4 wheel parts wholesalers? u have to get custom axles made that will be thinner that the axles u got now :( Rear disk kits? im looking into it, if u saty with the 5 or got with the 6 bolt rear diffs, u can get kits, as long as both are one piece axles!! > How much would custom axles for the full floating kit cost? about 300 -- Sincerely kenneth e. wetherall kenns-at-concentric.net[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:38:56 -0800 From: Thomas Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Jacob's Omni-Pac-Magnum billy dunn wrote: > > > >You think it would make much of a difference on my 360?? > I already have a MSD coil and wires on it...I dont have a problem with my > ignition but hey we all have to find something to spend money on...DONT WE?? > Anyway I dont know what else to get... > BILLY > 79 J10 I don't think you'd notice a huge difference if you already have a high energy coil. Just my opinion, though. Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:49:29 -0500 From: "Mike Gibson" <magibltd-at-seacoast.com> Subject: Re: New England FSJ owners! hey Steve if you get enough member response's let me know I'm in. Mike Gibson magibltd-at-seacoast.com http://www.seacoast.com/~magibltd/jeep.html where the jeeps get bigger[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:51:17 -0500 From: "Mike Gibson" <magibltd-at-seacoast.com> Subject: Re: Repairs done to the alligator Wagoneer hey Steve next time you head up my way for 4wheeler give me a call I'm right here in seabrook Mike Gibson magibltd-at-seacoast.com http://www.seacoast.com/~magibltd/jeep.html where the jeeps get bigger[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:09:21 -0800 From: "Gordon McKenzie" <gordmck-at-direct.ca> Subject: Re: Weather ---------- > From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: Weather > Date: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 6:22 PM > > At 02:37 PM 3/4/97 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Houston, Texas.... > >High 70s to low 80s, mid to low sixties in the evenings.... > >Slightly overcast this afternoon... > > > >Nice..... > > > > > >Jeff > > > >Augusta,Ga. > High today 83 low tonite 67 with chance of rain... > Tomorrow high in lower 80s and I'm going FISHING!!!!!!! > Billy, > 79 J10 > > More snow and their telling us it'll snow through the weekend. This is getting old real quick. Gord[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 15:57:20 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: 258 Questions Brad, What year motor are you using? I have a 1982 Cherokee with 258 and it has a fan clutch on it. Maybe you only get the fan clutch if you have air conditioning??? >>>>>> '78. I beleive the A/C assumption is true... Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:40:03 From: "Baxter Enterprises Inc. d.b.a. Baxter Advertising" <baxter-advertising-at-worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Need Digest 196 Sam Lewis <wagoneer-at-tehabi.com> writes: >> Michael and all FSJers, Just a reminder that the FSJ-Archives are available on the web at: http://www.tehabi.com/studio/sam_lewis/fsj-archive/ << Gee ListMom...you didn't run out and update that thing on my account did yea? I promise...it'll be our little secret what the latest digest number was when I checked :-). -- Michael Baxter 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com baxter-advertising-at-worldnet.att.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:46:45 From: "Baxter Enterprises Inc. d.b.a. Baxter Advertising" <baxter-advertising-at-worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: 258 Build-up Teil Drei Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca> writes: >> Nope, that was the one thing hooked up correctly. The TVC for the snorkel valve is on the bottom of the air cleaner. I have one on the back of the air cleaner not hooked up. << Gee, guess I should have looked at the vac. diagram in the 1st place! Yup, that thing is called the Thermal Vacuum Switch. I have no idea what role it plays in the EGR system but, you can bet Jeep didn't spend money putting it there if it wasn't needed. One port connects to the outside port on the EGR CTO switch and the other to the EGR valve. Hey, have I got a deal for you...how about your very own copy of the '79 (I know..wrong year but, it does seem to apply) 258 vacuum diagrams? The copy machine is 8 ft. behind me? The price is....just your snail mail address please. -- Michael Baxter 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com baxter-advertising-at-worldnet.att.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 23:03:55 From: "Baxter Enterprises Inc. d.b.a. Baxter Advertising" <baxter-advertising-at-worldnet.att.net> Subject: [No Subject] Eric=Lusk%Student%USF-at-cs1.thecoo.edu writes: >> The one nice thing the Cherokee has, which I would like to put on the Wag, is a set of 2" lift springs. They're stiffer, with 7 leaves in front, instead of the 5 leaves on the Wag, and what looks like helpers on the rear. Does anyone know if these will swap over without too much trouble? << Eric, Cherokee's springs sound like they were the standard Jeep springs and you Wag. sounds like it has the optional "Easy Ride" springs? How did you determine the Chero. had a 2" higher ride height? Did you take tire size into account and did you measure from some place like the drip rail just below the second lateral indentation in the roof (center of the SWB FSJs)? You can measure from the ground to the top of the drip rail and then subtract the distance from the ground to the center of one hub. That'll put everything on an even playing field for ride height. We've determined in the past on the list that there is no significant diff. in the same year ride height of the diff. springs available from the factory. And nobody ever made a 2" lift spring for FSJs as far as I know (AFAIK). I just don't want you to go through all the work of swapping springs to drop the jack and find no appreciable difference. If indeed those springs are 2" higher, it may well be because your Wags springs have sagged (common on FSJs..especially the rear ones). -- Michael Baxter 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com baxter-advertising-at-worldnet.att.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 06:07:52 -0500 From: "Randy Stephens" <woodlyn-at-crosslink.net> Subject: Re: Fuel usage Thanks, I don't do much driving at all! Small town and area! Something interesting for all though, I located the dealer window sticker that came on my truck, and read the little EPA blurb at the bottom. Their stats said I would use about $2k in a year of gas! That is based on 13 MPG, 15,000 average miles, and the fuel Price of $1.65. I thought the price of gas was interesting! We have not hit that price for gas yet hear on the East Coast. ---------- > From: Eric=Lusk%Student%USF-at-cs1.thecoo.edu > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: re: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? > Date: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 10:12 PM > > Randy- > Before you go swapping out the converter in your trans: > The locking converter in the TF727 may get you better gas mileage, > but I've heard quite a few complaints about longevity problems. There's > apparently a lot more weight on the lockup converters, and it tends to wear > things out faster. Of course, it depends on how you drive. If you drive a lot > of highway/freeway miles, it can pay for itself. > > Eric(shaggy-at-thecoo.edu) > '81 Wag, 258/727 > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:04:00 -0800 From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net> Subject: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? At 10:26 PM 3/5/97 EST, you wrote: >Billy >79 J10 >360 t400d20 >Iwanna go to a 727 and 208!!! >>>>>>>> >Well Billy, in that case why don't you go to a 426 Hemi while you got the 727 >happenin'? Or at least a 440. HEE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! > >NOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo You cant say that!!!! Not a non-Jeep motor.......hehehehehehe BUT I did get a KEWL price on a 360magnum motor yesterday....Now put that with a 518 and a 241 and now I got it....... Billy 79 J10 > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:11:06 -0800 From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net> Subject: Re: Fuel usage At 06:07 AM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks, I don't do much driving at all! Small town and area! Something >interesting for all though, I located the dealer window sticker that came >on my truck, and read the little EPA blurb at the bottom. Their stats said >I would use about $2k in a year of gas! That is based on 13 MPG, 15,000 >average miles, and the fuel Price of $1.65. I thought the price of gas was >interesting! We have not hit that price for gas yet hear on the East >Coast. > >---------- >> From: Eric=Lusk%Student%USF-at-cs1.thecoo.edu >> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> >> Subject: re: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? >> Date: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 10:12 PM >> >> > >Aint life gran when gas is .95 cent a gallon????????? I love it and my 360 does to....... Billy, 79 J10 OHhhhh about 6 miles to the gallon when I drive it right and 4 if I play hard!!![Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:31:23 -0600 From: kenc-at-softthought.com (Ken Cyr) Subject: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? > From: "Randy Stephens" > Subject: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? > Whoa! Talk to me about this locking torque converter. Is this > like the GM 700 r that is considered a forth gear? If so I am > going to change out my 2.73 to 1 gears, and go a little steaper. > Teach me tonight... (frank Sinatra lerik) Whoa Randy! The TH700R4 (used by GM and my '89 GW) IS a real 4 speed automatic tranny. The 4th gear is an overdrive. The TF727 with lockup is still a 3 speed, no overdrive. The lockup converter has an internal clutch that "locks" the converter, at certain times, eliminating slip and reducing friction. The TH700R4 in my GW has selectable electronic lockup modes: Full (2nd, 3rd, and 4th), Partial (4th only), and None (no lockup). When driving in full lockup, the transmission operates as though it has 7 gears. For example, normal shifting in Full lockup goes something like this: 1st, 2nd, 2nd-lock, 3rd, 3rd-lock, 4th, 4th-lock. IÝusually drive in partial mode, due to my aggressive driving style and the weight of the GW, this seems to be the best trade-off for performance and economy. IÝcan still chirp the tires on the 2-3 shift and achieve > 20 mpg -at- >70 mph, highway. Cheers, -Ken Cyr[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:30:02 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? On Mar 5, 8:59pm, billy dunn wrote: > Subject: Re: Model 208 xfr and Automatc Combo? > > >No I havent seen them but I have a 208 and all I need is a 727 to make it > all complete....Does anyone know where I can find one????? > Billy > 79 J10 > 360 t400d20 > Iwanna go to a 727 and 208!!! > >-- End of excerpt from billy dunn There are several in the junkyards in Houston..... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:32:17 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: smells like gas Sounds like a sticky needle/seat in the carburetor, or a mis-adjusted float level, or sticky float. Didn't shutoff the gas flow when the bowl was full so gas was seeping out of the bowl, and into either the carb or onto the manifold. Also could be a leaky fuel line or fuel pump. Tough to sniff em out.... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:51:13 EST From: crisper-at-juno.com (Christopher J Biernacki) Subject: I have a request hi... without starting anything like a war, i have a small request for all of us on this list: when replying to another's post, please use the ol' <<snip>> tool and don't resend the entire original message unless it's necessary. creative editing is fun! this will help my short attention span deal with the large volume of stuff that i get from this way cool list. with some email programs i know this is a pain, but too bad... just kidding thanks cb[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 08:52:44 CST From: trhanson-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson) Subject: 64 failed inspection I took yesterday off to inspect the Wag and work on my house. Upon pulling into the muffler shop where I usually get my vehicles inspected, I was met by a young man who asked what he could do for me. I replied I needed to get an inspection. He pointed to the tail light lenses and informed me that the state of Texas would not allow him to pass a vehicle with "repaired" tail light lenses. I asked if it was because of the white bath tub chalk that filled some of the gaps in the lense and he said if it showed ANY sign of being repaired it would be failed. He suggested I buy a pair of boat trailer lights and mount them on the bumper. I turned and left the place. Question 1: What year models have the curved or wrap around tail light lenses? Question 2: Does anyone make a wall chart or something similar showing yearly changes in body styles on SJ's. I called Savannah Jones and they have the curved lenses for 79-83 SJ apps but they couldn't suggest or give any direction if they would fit my 64. They also had never heard of the IFSJA. They have now!!! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX X Tony R. Hanson Alcatel Network Systems X X In the Heart of the Texas Telecom Corridor X X email:trhanson-at-aud.alcatel.com X XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:38:26 -0500 From: Dave Britton <britton-at-tridsys.com> Subject: Re: Engine problems? Its fixed! It was the plugs. They were toast. Gap was twice what it should have been. I did the following: - Topped off with good gas - STP gas drier/cleaner - New coil - New cap & rotor (brass) - New wires (lifetime) - New plugs (Autolite Platinum) Thanks for the help! The engine is running strong and smooth. Dave Britton[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:09:08 -0500 From: Dave Britton <britton-at-tridsys.com> Subject: Re: Jacobs Electronics Kits Does the Jacob's Omni Pak Magnum help gas mileage? Or is it more for performance? Do they have a setup that help things start quicker, run smoother, and get better mileage? Maybe with a little bit of power improvement to boot? Thats what I'm looking for. Dave Britton '83 Wagoneer Ltd.[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:26:37 -0800 From: "Gordon McKenzie" <gordmck-at-direct.ca> Subject: Re: 258 Build-up Teil Drei > > Hey, have I got a deal for you...how about your very own copy of the '79 (I > know..wrong year but, it does seem to apply) 258 vacuum diagrams? The copy > machine is 8 ft. behind me? The price is....just your snail mail address > please. > Local dealer gave me a copy of the one for the 360. Since that's the motor I have, it'll be more help.;-) Course all it did was to highlight stuff I didn't have. Actually, do all the Canadian FSJ's have air pumps? I know the emissions was easier on Canadian models (i.e.. no Cat) and I can't figure out where the air pump would have hooked up. Gord[Back to Top]
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:36:03 -0800 From: "Gordon McKenzie" <gordmck-at-direct.ca> Subject: Re: Fuel usage > >Aint life gran when gas is .95 cent a gallon????????? > I love it and my 360 does to....... > Lets see, 56.9 cents per litre, 3.7854 litres to US gallon means $2.1538 cents per gallon. And the 56.9 is cheap for BC. Eddie in Vancouver must be closer to 60 or 61. Gord[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:29:02 -0500 From: John Esposito <espos-at-compuserve.com> Subject: Vaccuum Hoses? I have a 360 and I have to replace all of my Vacuum hoses. My defrost motor doesn't switch, my shifting servo for my x-case is sluggish and my cruise control sets sometimes. All vacuum controlled. Here's my question, does anyone know the hose sizes? There are a few different id's. Also, any suggestion on getting quantity cheap, other than the local auto supply. Thanks guys. Alfred J. Esposito espos-at-compuserve.com '89 Grand Wagoneer '83 Wagoneer[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 07:46:04 -0800 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: 64 failed inspection At 08:52 06-03-97 CST, you wrote: > He pointed to the tail light >lenses and informed me that the state of Texas >would not allow him to pass a vehicle with >"repaired" tail light lenses. I asked if it was >because of the white bath tub chalk that filled >some of the gaps in the lense and he said if it >showed ANY sign of being repaired it would be >failed. >Question 1: >What year models have the curved or wrap around >tail light lenses? > Tony, I'm not 'sure' on this but I think they were the same all the way into the early or mid 70's at least. Someone here on the list has 1/2 dozen or so 60's vintage SJ's listed in his sig file maybe he'll come back to you and compare a few years for you. (maybe even sell you a pair :) ~~~~~~~~ Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:59:20 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Vaccuum Hoses? On Mar 6, 9:29am, John Esposito wrote: > Subject: Vaccuum Hoses? > any > suggestion on getting quantity cheap, other than the local auto supply. > > Thanks guys. > >-- End of excerpt from John Esposito Pep Boys has better prices than anyone else around me...and you can buy boxes, several feet, from them. Just a thought.... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:10:07 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Jacobs Electronics Kits Jacobs claims their Omni Pak and Ultra Teams increase horsepower, torque, idle quality, throttle response, and gas mileage. Guys on the list (with FSJs, Z71s excluded here ;) ) have said they noticed all of the above to be true except the increase in gas mileage. But it didn't go down either....maybe if their kept their foot out of all that new torque and HP <G>. As someone stated earlier, it is hard to tell a 10% or 15% increase in HP or Torque just driving around the neighborhood. And replacing old wires and ignition components can help regardless of the manufacturer. I still think that Jacobs is a good product, and that his book is a good reference. He rarely even mentions his own products. I guess everyone has to decide for themselves...but that restocking fee... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 97 08:20:35 -0800 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Re: Jacobs Electronics Kits Dave and Brad wrote: >>>>>>>If you really wanna go all out you can run the LX101 (Chrysler) box >as a better amplifier which I will do eventually. > >I like the idea of using easier to find OEM parts. Which Jeep ign systems >can this Chrysler box be used on? Seems like there are several factory >Jeep electronic ign systems, which Jeep changed every couple years. Which >ones are best? Is it possible to change or upgrade? I've got 76, 79, and >82 360s, any of which I should probably rebuild before I assemble my Super >Jeep. I'm not looking for 350 horsepower, I just want it to run RIGHT. > >TIA >Dave (Planning that summer project) I would like to know more about the LX101 box. Is this just the chrysler box with the big transister and heatsink (visual appearance)? I kinda doubt it... That would be too easy. Tell us a little more. What is so great the the LX101, and what is it? I'm not plannin a summer project, I'm plannin the next 5 year project (not that it is a huge project, it just takes me a long time to get anything done!). -askin brad[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:19:39 -0800 From: Thomas Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Locking Torque Converter Randy Stephens wrote: > > Whoa! Talk to me about this locking torque converter. Is this like the GM > 700 r that is considered a forth gear? If so I am going to change out my > 2.73 to 1 gears, and go a little steaper. Teach me tonight... (frank > Sinatra lerik) > > ---------- > > Sure have. My '81 Cherokee has an NP208 transfer case, manual hubs and > > a Chrysler TF727 Automatic tranny with locking torque converter. > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > Sure, the torque converter has some kind of clutch mechanism inside of it so that when it's in 3rd gear and the engine's at about 1900-2000 rpm (approx 45-47 mph with 3.31 gears for me) it "locks up" and is basically direct drive. The engine rpms drop about 200 when this happens. It does feel like it's shifting into a "4th" gear, but it really isn't. I believe these first appeared on the '81s. Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 11:05:04 -0500 From: Dave Britton <britton-at-tridsys.com> Subject: Re: Engine problems? I also sprayed WD40 all around inside the distributor. Dave Britton[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:35:00 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at->
Subject: Re: Change in plans!
ORIG MSG:
WAY cool!!! Count me in... Master Dan, I've got film and a gas
credit card... What time ya gonna pick me up on Sunday?
Any good local Bible teaching churches nearby? (Not a requirement,
might be nice...)
Doing this on the 9th works out better, latter this month I'll be
working hard to pick up some additional certification... $$$$
later,
john
310-538-5500 room 221
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ORIG MSG: Hi guys,
ORIG MSG: I just found out this morning that the people who were going to come
ORIG MSG: and visit us this weekend aren't going to be able to make it.
ORIG MSG: Unfortunately, the guy's wife came down with bronchitis. Also, it
ORIG MSG: doesn't look like the sailing thing is going to happen for me Sunday
ORIG MSG: either.
ORIG MSG:
ORIG MSG: What this all means is that if you guys are still able to head up this
ORIG MSG: way on Sunday, we could convene the Southern CA FSJ Fest on this coming
ORIG MSG: Sunday (the 9th) rather than in two weeks!! We can explore West Camino
ORIG MSG: Cielo (we can even go past Ronny Reagan's ranch) and then have lunch at
ORIG MSG: Cold Springs Tavern.
ORIG MSG:
ORIG MSG: I hope this isn't too late for you guys and you haven't made plans
ORIG MSG: already. Please let me know.
ORIG MSG:
ORIG MSG: Tom
ORIG MSG:
[Back to Top]Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:22:29 +0100 From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no> Subject: Part for Quadra-Trac needed! Can anybody help me with a shift fork for my QT, It's the one for the emergency drive. Here in Norway the shops say it is not made anymore and if they find one used it will be major bucks. I have one other QT I could buy from a friend, but it seems silly to buy a hole transfer just for the shift fork. Thanks Frank Norway[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:41:28 -0500 (EST) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Locking Torque Converter In a message dated 97-03-06 11:38:45 EST, you write: > Sure, the torque converter has some kind of clutch mechanism inside of > it so that when it's in 3rd gear and the engine's at about 1900-2000 rpm > (approx 45-47 mph with 3.31 gears for me) it "locks up" and is basically > direct drive. The engine rpms drop about 200 when this happens. It > does feel like it's shifting into a "4th" gear, but it really isn't. I > believe these first appeared on the '81s. > > Tom Anhalt > '81 Cherokee Laredo > My 1980 has the same converter..... you can tell when you pull teh converter out of teh tranny, the lock up style has an extra little splinned shaft sticking out, maybe an inch I think they started in teh early 70-s with lock up styles....not sure about actuall JEEP trans, but others locked up by then[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:40:18 -0800 From: Thomas Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Jacobs Electronics Kits Jeff Gunn wrote: > > Jacobs claims their Omni Pak and Ultra Teams increase horsepower, > torque, idle quality, throttle response, and gas mileage. Guys on the > list (with FSJs, Z71s excluded here ;) ) have said they noticed all of > the above to be true except the increase in gas mileage. But it didn't > go down either....maybe if their kept their foot out of all that new > torque and HP <G>. > As someone stated earlier, it is hard to tell a 10% or 15% increase in > HP or Torque just driving around the neighborhood. And replacing old > wires and ignition components can help regardless of the manufacturer. > I still think that Jacobs is a good product, and that his book is a good > reference. He rarely even mentions his own products. I guess everyone > has to decide for themselves...but that restocking fee... > > Jeff > In true engineering fashion, when I installed the Jacobs Omni on my 258 I also fixed some other things (like my thermostat being stuck open). So, even though I did see a mileage increase, I can't DEFINITELY say it was the Omni. One thing though, after installing the Omni and opening up the plug gaps, I also was able to adjust the carbs idle circuit a little leaner without misfiring. Since the idle circuit is also used during part-throttle operation, this could lead to better gas mileage. Also, I was able to increase the initial ignition advance by about 4 degrees. Then I adjusted the carb again. I guess that what I'm getting at is that just slapping on an ignition system won't necessarily give you mileage improvements. However, if the ignition system allows you to adjust other parts of the system, then that's were you'll see the gains. Basically, the ignition can't do it alone, but it does open up the door for adjustments and improvements in other areas. Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:48:38 +0100 From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no> Subject: SV: Jacobs Electronics Kits > > I would like to know more about the LX101 box. Is this just the chrysler > box with the big transister and heatsink (visual appearance)? I kinda > doubt it... That would be too easy. > That's the one > Tell us a little more. What is so great the the LX101, and what is it? > It's simple, cheap and available anywhere, BTW, I think John has my drawing of the electricical connections on the LX 101 and the ford module up on his homepage Frank Norway > I'm not plannin a summer project, I'm plannin the next 5 year project > (not that it is a huge project, it just takes me a long time to get anything > done!). > In 5 years you should be able to install the LX 101 ignition module :-))))) > -askin brad > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:18:41 -0800 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: 64 failed inspection >Question 1: >What year models have the curved or wrap around >tail light lenses? Tony, I just got off the phone with Brian regarding a manual and I asked him if he had a source for your tail light lenses. He thinks he still has some originals for the early Wagoneers. Drop him an email. Brian's 4WD Parts&Lit. willysgp-at-aol.com ~~~~~~~~ Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 12:42:22 CST From: Eric=Lusk%Student%USF-at-cs1.thecoo.edu Subject: re: [No Subject] Yeah, I'd considered the possibility the springs had sagged on the 'Wag. I know the rear springs have sagged badly. The Cherokee sits 2 inches higher at the top of the roof, with the same size tires on both vehicles(height on the Cherokee's tires may have been 1/2" shorter). Even if they're not lift springs, I'm thinking that it's probably a good idea to swap them over, since I'll at least be able to return the 'Wag to its original height. I'll also get a set of stiffer springs that way. Just so long as they fit, I've already got the springs, and might as well use them.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:46:22 -0800 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Fuel usage At 06:07 06-03-97 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks, I don't do much driving at all! Small town and area! Something >interesting for all though, I located the dealer window sticker that came >on my truck, and read the little EPA blurb at the bottom. Their stats said >I would use about $2k in a year of gas! That is based on 13 MPG, 15,000 >average miles, and the fuel Price of $1.65. I thought the price of gas was >interesting! We have not hit that price for gas yet hear on the East >Coast. Randy, sounds like you have about a 74/75 year truck. Back then here in WA gas was $1.50/gal or so. Oil embargo years... ~~~~~~~~ Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:51:25 -0800 From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com> Subject: PTO's ( and stucks...) >Next day South Carolina Electric and Gas was out there and a friend of mine >was there and they asked if they could help(while laughing HARD).I wasnt >going to say know so they they hooked this VERY LARGE PTO winch and dragged >it right out...I asked them what size it was and they (laughed again)said it >was a little ole 40,000lbs winch....(I NEED ONE OF THOSE)I said thanks and >they drove off... On the subject of PTO's, does anyone know how to make use of the PTO output of the QuadraTrac? It looks like SOMEONE used it, 'cause there's a tunnel 'neath the body pan and a clear shot from the QT out the tail. Do the splines for the PTO output match the ones for the fron/rear output shafts? > >My 36s are 12.5 in wide...Getting ready to go to 38x14.5 15 TSL SX!!!! Now that's a serious tire....what combination of lift do you have on your rig to fit them bad boys? -Ken > > >[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 11:00:51 -0800 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Vaccuum Hoses? At 10:29 06-03-97 -0500, you wrote: >I have a 360 and I have to replace all of my Vacuum hoses. My defrost motor >doesn't switch, my shifting servo for my x-case is sluggish and my cruise >control sets sometimes. All vacuum controlled. Here's my question, does >anyone know the hose sizes? There are a few different id's. Also, any >suggestion on getting quantity cheap, other than the local auto supply. > >Thanks guys. > >Alfred Alfred, There are only a few size hoses, 1/8", 3/16", 1/4" and a couple more. The sizes are far enough apart to make selection easy. I just bought 3ft of 3/16" for less than a dollar(US) at NAPA. ~~~~~~~~ Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:14:33 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: PTO's ( and stucks...) On Mar 6, 12:51pm, Renshaw, Ken wrote: > Subject: PTO's ( and stucks...) > > On the subject of PTO's, does anyone know how to make use of the PTO > output of the QuadraTrac? It looks like SOMEONE used it, 'cause there's > a tunnel 'neath the body pan and a clear shot from the QT out the tail. > Do the splines for the PTO output match the ones for the fron/rear > output shafts? > >-- End of excerpt from Renshaw, Ken The Parts Manual that Zack Heisey printed up has some exploded views on the PTO parts, I think they were used on some special edition type vehicles. There may be some info to help you figure it out. I'll try to remember to check this evening. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:14:52 -0500 (EST) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: PTO's ( and stucks...) In a message dated 97-03-06 14:05:44 EST, you write: > > On the subject of PTO's, does anyone know how to make use of the PTO > output of the QuadraTrac? It looks like SOMEONE used it, 'cause there's > a tunnel 'neath the body pan and a clear shot from the QT out the tail. > Do the splines for the PTO output match the ones for the fron/rear > output shafts? > > I think that is where the optional low range unit bolts on![Back to Top]
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