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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:36:58 +0100
From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: SV: Help!Stuck in Emergency Drive


 I am currently suck in QT with the light 
> flickering and flashing with no apparent
> pattern.Please help!!   Thanks,Bob
>         
> 
> 
Bob
When my vacuum actuator went bad I had the same kind of symptoms, I had
however a easier match to check it because my QT were converted into a
part-time case. You should try the vacuum actuator out of the transfer with
an hand held vacuum pump, then you could be sure if the actuator works or
not. My experience is that the vacuum actuator is the weekest item on the
QT case.

Frank
Norway
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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:23:03 +0100
From: "Frank" <falmaas-at-online.no>
Subject: SV: regional associations, business cards



> 	Europe - whaddaya think, Frank?
>
I think that would be a great idea with regional chapters of the IFSJA,
this way us european members could meet sometimes without taking the trip
over the BIG ocean.

Frank
Norway

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:13:02 -0400
From: Jeff Wynn <jwynn-at-atconf.org>
Subject: Oil Smoke Poof gone!!!


>Hey Jeff Wynn, how about a little "How To" write up for the FSJ web
>page and ORC web page?  I have some smoke at start up occasionally, and
>may need to replace the valve seals like you did.

I could do such a thing if folks would find it helpful.  Won't
happen right away, as I'm selling my house, moving, working
full time, taking a UNIX Sysadmin course and playing music
with a local band three times a week.  Would someone volunteer
to be a technical editor to check the writeup over for grammar
and accuracy?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
QUESTION OF THE DAY:  How do pushrods get bent?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Jeff Wynn
73 J-4000 360 4bbl



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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:21:06 -0800
From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
Subject: RE: Oil Smoke Poof gone!!!

Jeff-

>...taking a UNIX Sysadmin course...

Woohoo! What fun....I've been doing that for 10 years. Not taking the
course, either...   ;-)

> ...and playing music
>with a local band three times a week... 

Cool, what instrument? What kinda music?

You can reply directly to me at krenshaw-at-resumix.com

-Ken

1979 Wagoneer 'Babe'
360/ProJection/QT
36" SX's, 4.XX's 
Dana 44's, ARB's


> 
>

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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:50:02 -0600
From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Smoke Poof gone!!!


On Mar 11,  1:13pm, Jeff Wynn wrote:
> Subject: Oil Smoke Poof gone!!!
> 
>  Would someone volunteer
> to be a technical editor to check the writeup over for grammar
> and accuracy?
>
>-- End of excerpt from Jeff Wynn

Jeff:
	I'd be happy to check the grammar, and since I need to do this 
little job I could also read it over and let you know if there are still 
any questions in my mind when I finish reading it.  A guy here at work 
has the tool(s) to help me do this with the head on the engine, all I 
need is an air compressor (or $300 to get one!).

Jeff Gunn

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 16:01:48 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Oil Smoke Poof gone!!!

  Would someone volunteer
to be a technical editor to check the writeup over for grammar
and accuracy?
>>>>>
I would love to do it
Brad Feick


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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:56:34 -0800
From: Ron Strouss <rstrouss-at-ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Tow Hooks

Henry, Joe, Doc

Ok, I know I'm not goint to attach any tow hooks to the front cross
member.  It's got to go on the frame somewhere.  I'll take a look at 
rear end tonight.  The rear may be easier.  I called my mechanic and he
says most cars have them on when they come from the factory as that's
how they tie them to the trucks.  Then they take them off before they
sell them?  

I looked in the parts book, the service manual, you name it ... no
mention of tow hooks.  You's think that would be something they'd allow
for without any mods to the vehicle?  Afterall this is a Jeep we're
talking about!!!

Later,
Ron

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Date:  Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:22:01 -0800
From: kenns <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Tires, Gears, a little paint, and a name

Renshaw, Ken wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> Say Ken, what gear/tire combo do you run?

32 1150 15  427 rp.

ok w/ the 488 urll be pulling about 2500rpm with the manual in 4th and
a little higer in 3rd w/ the AT!! i would go for the 488, if u plan to
get an OD AT or MT trany.

 hey  i got a set of 488's at my apt, never been used, but i got no
install kit, ie
shims bearings gaskets etc!! they made by Genuine gear!

if u go w/ the nv4500 in order to get a 4:1 TC, and u WANT to keep ur
right hand
front d44, u best look for a dodge np241, as that is the only current
case that
accepts the 4:1 AND is right hand front output!!!

BTW what is the price ur gonna pay for the rp that u buy and where 
would u buy it
from??
> 

-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall                                      If a
Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                                         CJ can
go, then it's a 
                                                                  Super
Wagoneer.

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Date:  Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:29:48 -0800
From: kenns <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks

ron, since i 4wl ALOT, i HAD to put 'attaching points' to my
Super in order to pass the inpections of the events that i got to.

i went thru the same slew of probs ur having. the solution
that i found was to BOLT a length of chain to the outboard frame
rail on ea side and at ea end, and then wrap the chain over the top of 
the rail, then pass it underneath the front , or rear, xmember. the
chain terminates in a clevis to pass thru tow ropes and
straps!!  i got chain that can w/ stand 5klbs!!

Ron Strouss wrote:
> 
> Henry, Joe, Doc
> 
> Ok, I know I'm not goint to attach any tow hooks to the front cross
> member.  It's got to go on the frame somewhere.  I'll take a look at
> rear end tonight.  The rear may be easier.  I called my mechanic and he
> says most cars have them on when they come from the factory as that's
> how they tie them to the trucks.  Then they take them off before they
> sell them?
> 
> I looked in the parts book, the service manual, you name it ... no
> mention of tow hooks.  You's think that would be something they'd allow
> for without any mods to the vehicle?  Afterall this is a Jeep we're
> talking about!!!
> 
> Later,
> Ron
> 

-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall                                      If a
Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                                         CJ can
go, then it's a 
                                                                  Super
Wagoneer.

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 17:20:36 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Input appreciated...

I thought it was supposed to let coolant in if it was low.
Please explain. 
>>>>>>
Do you have the proper cap on it?  Is the path from the rad to the bottle 
clear?  Do you have the correct cap on the bottle?
Brad Feick


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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 14:46:20 -0800
From: bks-at-co.intel.com
Subject: Re: Tires, Gears, a little paint, and a name

Ken W. wrote:

> if u go w/ the nv4500 in order to get a 4:1 TC, and u WANT to keep ur
> right hand
> front d44, u best look for a dodge np241, as that is the only current
> case that
> accepts the 4:1 AND is right hand front output!!!

Also, I _thought_ I remembered seeing a 4:1 gear set for the NP205 gear
drive t-case.  Was I dreaming?  If not, there were both left and right
hand versions of that t-case, and wouldn't they take the same gears?

Maybe I saw a 3:1 gear set for the NP205, and my foggy brain smeared it
into a 4:1...  Hmm....  I'm sure I have it in a magazing somewhere, but
it would probably take days to find it.  Seems that the price was about
$1000!  Of course, this is all from the same foggy brain!

-brad

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:04:40 -0600
From: Ashley Michael <amichael-at-hiwaay.net>
Subject: WTB AMC V8 Distributor

I am in need of an AMC V8 distributor.  The distributor does not need to =
be complete.  All I need is the body and the shaft of a Delco points =
type distributor, but I will buy a complete one if that is all I can =
find.  I am in the process of making a custom distributor and I do not =
want to cut up the distributor that I have. =20

Please E-Mail directly to me.  I get the FSJ list in digest mode and I =
might miss your post.

Thanks,
Ash

'79 J20--Stock, for now
'75 CJ5-Chevy 305 (highly modified), SM420, Dana 300, LS 12 bolt rear,=20
	LS Dana 44 front, 36x12.5 Super Swampers


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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:51:47 -0800
From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
Subject: RE: Tires, Gears, a little paint, and a name


SuperKen says-

>ok w/ the 488 urll be pulling about 2500rpm with the manual in 4th and
>a little higer in 3rd w/ the AT!! i would go for the 488, if u plan to
>get an OD AT or MT trany.

4.88's it is then....
>
> hey  i got a set of 488's at my apt, never been used, but i got no
>install kit, ie
>shims bearings gaskets etc!! they made by Genuine gear!

Do you have one or two sets? I'm probably interested.....
>
>if u go w/ the nv4500 in order to get a 4:1 TC, and u WANT to keep ur
>right hand
>front d44, u best look for a dodge np241, as that is the only current
>case that
>accepts the 4:1 AND is right hand front output!!!

Sounds like the hot ticket! Thanks! I've drooled over some of the newer
YJ/TJ's with this combo, and I like it.
>
>BTW what is the price ur gonna pay for the rp that u buy and where 
>would u buy it
>from??

Well, as a baseline, Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers have Dana/Spicer
gearsets for $140, $180 for the "master" install kit.
Whether you have one or two sets, if it's less than there price I think
we'll talk......the install kit's only about $40. I have a second set of
diff carrier bearings that are milled out to slip-fit the carrier, to
make shimming easier

Thanks, SuperKen!

-Ken

1979 Wagoneer 'Babe'
360/ProJection/QT
36" SX's, 4.XX's 
Dana 44's, ARB's


>
>

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:58:53 -0800
From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
Subject: RE: Tires, Gears, a little paint, and a name



>----------
>From: 	bks-at-co.intel.com[SMTP:bks-at-co.intel.com]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, March 11, 1997 2:46 PM
>To: 	Multiple recipients of
>Subject: 	Re: Tires, Gears, a little paint, and a name
>
>Ken W. wrote:
>
>> if u go w/ the nv4500 in order to get a 4:1 TC, and u WANT to keep ur
>> right hand
>> front d44, u best look for a dodge np241, as that is the only current
>> case that
>> accepts the 4:1 AND is right hand front output!!!
>
>Also, I _thought_ I remembered seeing a 4:1 gear set for the NP205 gear
>drive t-case.  Was I dreaming?  If not, there were both left and right
>hand versions of that t-case, and wouldn't they take the same gears?

Dunno.....but a 4:1 NP205 sure is a dream!  ~8^}
>
>Maybe I saw a 3:1 gear set for the NP205, and my foggy brain smeared it
>into a 4:1...  Hmm....  I'm sure I have it in a magazing somewhere, but
>it would probably take days to find it.  Seems that the price was about
>$1000!  Of course, this is all from the same foggy brain!

I saw the same ad, probably. I'm sure it wasn't a 4:1, I think it was a
3:1 and they ( Mepco, I think? ) were "still working on it".
>
>-brad

-Ken

1979 Wagoneer 'Babe'
360/ProJection/QT
36" SX's, 4.XX's 
Dana 44's, ARB's
>
>
>


> 
>

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:32:30 -0500
From: "Dave Read"<DSREAD-at-hewitt.com>
Subject: RE: Gears, Installing in a Dana Diff





in reply to krenshaw's memo

>I have a second set of diff carrier bearings that are milled out to
slip-fit the carrier, to
make shimming easier.

Hi Ken

Are the milled out bearings used just for setup, or permanently?

Do you have one of those Dana case spreaders that are used to install and
remove the diff?

How much does a case spreader go for and where can they be purchased?  Any
other special tools needed?  Preload guage??  etc.?

Will the same spreader work on both a Dana 44 and a Dana 60

TIA
Dave



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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:45:10 -0800
From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
Subject: RE: Gears, Installing in a Dana Diff



>----------
>From: 	Dave Read[SMTP:DSREAD-at-hewitt.com]
>
>in reply to krenshaw's memo
>
>>I have a second set of diff carrier bearings that are milled out to
>slip-fit the carrier, to
>make shimming easier.
>
>Hi Ken
>
>Are the milled out bearings used just for setup, or permanently?

Just for shimming. Then I press the "new" ones on.
>
>Do you have one of those Dana case spreaders that are used to install and
>remove the diff?

You mean a big pry bar?  ;-)
>
>How much does a case spreader go for and where can they be purchased?  Any
>other special tools needed?  Preload guage??  etc.?

Dunno about the spreader....

You can either use a pinion depth gauge and a dial indicator for the
ring backlash, or as I do, use the same tool for both.
It's a magnetic-base dial indicator with a gooseneck, commonly called a
limp d**k. Other than that, use the bluing to read the mesh pattern, as
the contact pattern tells all.
>
>Will the same spreader work on both a Dana 44 and a Dana 60

Again, dunno.
>
>TIA
>Dave

-Ken

1979 Wagoneer 'Babe'
360/ProJection/QT
36" SX's, 4.XX's 
Dana 44's, ARB's
>
>
>

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 19:09:34 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Desktop Dyno and the 258

Actually, now that I have the numbers listed out here it doesn't look as
bad as when you look at the curves plotted on top of one another.  Also,
the program starts at 2000 rpm (I wish it started at 1000, but the guy
who wrote the software is into drag racing) and it looks like that cam
makes all of it's torque below 2500 rpm.  It looks like it basically
gives up the peak horsepower for higher torque and hp below 3000 rpm
which is what shorter durations should do.  I guess I was wrong about
the hp being down across the board, it's actually up below 3000 rpm.
Since these engines don't see 4000 rpm very often, especially offroad,
maybe this isn't so bad.  Personally, I'd rather have a much flatter
torque curve and have it extend up towards redline. 
>>>>>>>
	This is making more sense now, and I DID talk to Crower today.  First, 
just for grins, can you compare my set up as above, but add 9:1 compression to
see how that affects things.
 
	Crower responded exactly as I  thought saying that the Dyno Programs 
were a bunch of hooey (sorry Bill).  They said that they developed this cam on
the dyno years ago, and it is excellent for it's application.  (Well, what did
you expect them to say, it bites perhaps?)  Maybe I should outline what I 
asked for (which is in keeping with my project parameters)

	I asked for a cam that boosted low end torque in a largely stock motor 
and had a good idle quality.  The cam we are talking about comes on right 
before 1K RPM and is good up to 4.5K RPM or thereabouts.  I wanted more 
"grunt" for low speed wheelin' (which is the kind of wheelin' we have in the 
great NE) or for pullin' stumps, draggin' stuff, snow crawlin' etc.
Mr. Beef sports the 4:09 gear set, so he's set up for this very thing.  I 
don't plan on doing much highway driving, and if I do it will be for an 
emergency in the snow or something and at that point who cares about mileage.
I like the numbers much better that are in front of me now...  Does the 
program account for ignition?  Anyway, I'm going to go for it and report back 
to everyone what I find.  My goal is to have a solid well mannered motor that 
is reliable and comes on in the RPM range that we are talking about here.  It 
should be fine.  Again, for MY purpose, I'm not going to put the same money in
a 258 that could double my results in a big block.  

	Everyone with a stock 258 that is pretty solid can draw thier own 
conclusions from my results on this project and possibly model thier own 
improvements after this or avoid my mistakes.  I'm casually looking into 
headers right now, I can always easily add them later which is one of the 
reasons I'm not that worried about them for now.  There are trade offs for 
headers AFAIC.  Also the Smog Nazis can't detect a cam like the one I'm using,
which is a consideration for some of you...
Brad Feick


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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 19:36:05 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Carter BBD 2bbl

	Could one of you guys that are on the Jeep-L please ask about mods 
that can be done to the Carter BBD for better performance?  I see that in the 
shop manuals that the Carters came configured differently depending on 
application.  Have any of you heard of set-up changes/jetting/ etc. using OEM 
part #s?  I saw that there is a configuration for "hilly terrain"  I may set 
up like this unless one of you have better info...
Brad Feick


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Date:  Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:36:22 -0800
From: kenns <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Tires, Gears, a little paint, and a name

well AA now sells a 3.5/1 tc to replace the tc's in the wranglers
and the d300, little that does for us, but hey..its
only money ;)

bks-at-co.intel.com wrote:
> 
> Also, I _thought_ I remembered seeing a 4:1 gear set for the NP205 gear
> drive t-case.  Was I dreaming?  If not, there were both left and right
> hand versions of that t-case, and wouldn't they take the same gears?
> 
> Maybe I saw a 3:1 gear set for the NP205, and my foggy brain smeared it
> into a 4:1...  Hmm....  I'm sure I have it in a magazing somewhere, but
> it would probably take days to find it.  Seems that the price was about
> $1000!  Of course, this is all from the same foggy brain!
> 
> -brad
> 
-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall                                      If a
Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                                         CJ can
go, then it's a 
                                                                  Super
Wagoneer.

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Date:  Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:40:45 -0800
From: kenns <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: 35 now 36sKen

yes i have two sets..FnR d44 488's!!!.

ill sell them to u for $75/set!!

u want me to bring em this weekend??

also i have a dropped pitman arm for the 74 on up FSJ's,
interested??


-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall                                      If a
Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                                         CJ can
go, then it's a 
                                                                  Super
Wagoneer.

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:53:40 -0800
From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
Subject: RE: 35 now 36sKen



>----------
>From: 	kenns[SMTP:kenns-at-concentric.net]
>Sent: 	Monday, March 10, 1997 5:40 PM
>To: 	Multiple recipients of
>Subject: 	35 now 36sKen
>
>yes i have two sets..FnR d44 488's!!!.

Yesss!!
>
>ill sell them to u for $75/set!!

Again, Yessss!!
>
>u want me to bring em this weekend??

Once again, Yesssss!!
>
>also i have a dropped pitman arm for the 74 on up FSJ's,
>interested??

I've got a 4" Superlift arm on there now, whatya got?
>
>
>-- 
>  Sincerely
>
>  kenneth e. wetherall                                      If a
>Wagoneer can go where a 
>  kenns-at-concentric.net                                         CJ can
>go, then it's a 
>                                                                  Super
>Wagoneer.

Thanks large!

-Ken

1979 Wagoneer 'Babe'
360/ProJection/QT
36" SX's, 4.XX's 
Dana 44's, ARB's
>
>


> 
>

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:49:38, -0500
From: LHQT20A-at-prodigy.com (MR ROBERT A HOWELLS)
Subject: WANTED-QT control diaphragm

If anyone has a QT control diapragm that they would like to sell or 
know where I can get one,
please let me know. Thanks,Bob

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Date:  Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:13:33 -0800
From: kenns <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 35 now 36sKen

oh..u got one.
yup mines a SL too :(

Renshaw, Ken wrote:
> 
> I've got a 4" Superlift arm on there now, whatya got?
> >
> >
> >--
-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall                                      If a
Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                                         CJ can
go, then it's a 
                                                                  Super
Wagoneer.

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:08:25 -0600
From: "JenHen" <jenhen-at-neca.com>
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks

Ron, the rear is a lot easier. The most obvious place for tow hooks is the
bottom of the frame rails, somewhere behind the rear axle but in front of
the rear crossmember. The obvious disadvantage to this location is that the
hooks may hang up your Jeep on rocks or logs.

An alternate choice is the outside of the frame rails somewhere behind the
rear axle but in front of the rear crossmember. The disadvantage is that
the hooks will be slightly above the level of the rear bumper. This means
that the tow strap or snatch strap will have to curve up behind the bumper
to attach to the hooks. You run the risk of the bumper cutting into the
strap at that point.

FYI, I placed mine on the sides of the frame rails so as to not allow the
hooks to hang the vehicle up. But I might change them to below the frame
rails this season to see what happens!

Henry

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> From: Ron Strouss <rstrouss-at-ix.netcom.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Tow Hooks
> Date: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 3:56 PM
> 
> Henry, Joe, Doc
> 
> Ok, I know I'm not goint to attach any tow hooks to the front cross
> member.  It's got to go on the frame somewhere.  I'll take a look at 
> rear end tonight.  The rear may be easier.  I called my mechanic and he
> says most cars have them on when they come from the factory as that's
> how they tie them to the trucks.  Then they take them off before they
> sell them?  
> 
> I looked in the parts book, the service manual, you name it ... no
> mention of tow hooks.  You's think that would be something they'd allow
> for without any mods to the vehicle?  Afterall this is a Jeep we're
> talking about!!!
> 
> Later,
> Ron


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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:29:12 -0500
From: "Randy Stephens" <woodlyn-at-crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks

Why couldn't you pull the Torx bolt out of the bottom of the bumper which
is bolted into the frame attachment.  Install a longer bolt, then drill and
install another bolt behind that?

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> From: Ron Strouss <rstrouss-at-ix.netcom.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Tow Hooks
> Date: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 4:56 PM
> 
> Henry, Joe, Doc
> 
> Ok, I know I'm not goint to attach any tow hooks to the front cross
> member.  It's got to go on the frame somewhere.  I'll take a look at 
> rear end tonight.  The rear may be easier.  I called my mechanic and he
> says most cars have them on when they come from the factory as that's
> how they tie them to the trucks.  Then they take them off before they
> sell them?  
> 
> I looked in the parts book, the service manual, you name it ... no
> mention of tow hooks.  You's think that would be something they'd allow
> for without any mods to the vehicle?  Afterall this is a Jeep we're
> talking about!!!
> 
> Later,
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:25:16 -0600
From: "JenHen" <jenhen-at-neca.com>
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks

Yikes, I'd stay away from that one, Randy. "Doctrine" states that tow hooks
should be bolted directly to the frame. I wouldn't trust the strength of
even an FSJ bumper bracket when pulling a stuck FSJ or other heavy 4x4 out.

Henry

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> From: Randy Stephens <woodlyn-at-crosslink.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Tow Hooks
> Date: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 8:29 PM
> 
> Why couldn't you pull the Torx bolt out of the bottom of the bumper which
> is bolted into the frame attachment.  Install a longer bolt, then drill
and
> install another bolt behind that?
> 
> ----------
> > From: Ron Strouss <rstrouss-at-ix.netcom.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> > Subject: Tow Hooks
> > Date: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 4:56 PM
> > 
> > Henry, Joe, Doc
> > 
> > Ok, I know I'm not goint to attach any tow hooks to the front cross
> > member.  It's got to go on the frame somewhere.  I'll take a look at 
> > rear end tonight.  The rear may be easier.  I called my mechanic and he
> > says most cars have them on when they come from the factory as that's
> > how they tie them to the trucks.  Then they take them off before they
> > sell them?  
> > 
> > I looked in the parts book, the service manual, you name it ... no
> > mention of tow hooks.  You's think that would be something they'd allow
> > for without any mods to the vehicle?  Afterall this is a Jeep we're
> > talking about!!!
> > 
> > Later,
> > Ron
> > 
> > 
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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 22:25:23 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: WANTED-QT control diaphragm

If anyone has a QT control diapragm that they would like to sell or 
know where I can get one,
please let me know. Thanks,Bob
>>>>>>>>>
Bob- I got one.  Dealership has 'em for $89.  Mail me off the list and we'll 
talk.
Brad Feick






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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:46:11, -0500
From: LHQT20A-at-prodigy.com (MR ROBERT A HOWELLS)
Subject: Part2.Help!! Stuck in Emergency Drive

Joe Sego  and the guy at the local 4x4  both explained to me that if 
I put a hand vacuum pump on the 
QT Control diaphragm on the transfer case that I should be able to 
get it to switch off and on in that 
manner if the diaphragm is good. Well it didn't,in fact I got no 
vacuum pressure at all on either the
release and apply side. My next step is change the diapragm. Does 
anyone have one that they would like to sel(or know where I can get 
one). I have a diagram of how it connects into the transfer case 
which indicates that an o ring and 2 retaining rings hold in place. 
How do you get to the retaining rings? The diaphragm is so close to 
the trans case that I can't even see them. I figured out why the 
light was flashing. The plug that goes to the QT unit was loose and 
therefore causing the flickering. Once I pushed the plug  on the 
light stayed on. If anyone can help I can definately use it. I'm 
stranded in the driveway until I solve this problem.
Thanks, Bob           

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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 23:32:18 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Part2.Help!! Stuck in Emergency Drive

 If anyone can help I can definately use it. I'm 
stranded in the driveway until I solve this problem.
Thanks, Bob 
>>>>>
I have an extra besides the one that I promised Joe Sego
Brad Feick          





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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:41:12 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks

At 10:25 PM 3/11/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Yikes, I'd stay away from that one, Randy. "Doctrine" states that tow hooks
>should be bolted directly to the frame. I wouldn't trust the strength of
>even an FSJ bumper bracket when pulling a stuck FSJ or other heavy 4x4 out.
>
>Henry

I agree with Henry, I had a slightly bent bumber bracket,
straightened it right out with a 16 oz. hammer on the concrete
garage floor!  Very light weight metal.

For a rear attachment point I trust the class II or III
receiver hitch thats welded and bolted to both frame rails.

C'ya
Joe-
79 Chief


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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:52:48 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: Part2.Help!! Stuck in Emergency Drive

At 08:46 PM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Joe Sego  and the guy at the local 4x4  both explained to me that if 
>I put a hand vacuum pump on the 
>QT Control diaphragm on the transfer case that I should be able to 
>get it to switch off and on in that 

Bob,
Well I hate to tell you....but...I think you'll have to pull the
case to install the diaphram.  I just had mine out last fall and
replaced the diaphram and front seals. IMHO there is no way of
doing it without removing it :-(  I need to do the same....

If you do pull the case MAKE CERTAIN you follow the service manual's
instructions on making the 5" guide pins. If this step is not
followed you WILL ruin your front seals taking it out  and/or putting
it back in.  I wrote a detailed article on doing this, Doc has it
on the web site.  I'll tell you this, the WORST part of the QT
removal is disconnecting the front driveshaft at the QT case. Those
four bolts are the world's toughest to get out. VERY tight space.

Matter of fact, next time I do this I will only unhook front
drive shaft at the front differential and let the shaft come out
with the case (thanks to M. Baxter's suggestion!)

C'ya
Joe-

btw, MileMarker still has new diaphrams listed in their
catalog, $89 or so. May be worth a call. New would be better.


  

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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:57:39 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED-QT control diaphragm

At 08:49 PM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>If anyone has a QT control diapragm that they would like to sell or 
>know where I can get one,
>please let me know. Thanks,Bob

Bob, 
I forgot to mention another temporary fix.  If you need the truck
you can always;  Leave it locked and remove the front driveshaft.
Then you're in rear-drive only and you won't hurt anything driving
it.

C'ya
Joe-
79 Chief with same problem



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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 23:53:23 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: 258 Build-up Teil Sechs

	OK!  The project is starting to come together as I am getting into the 
reassembly.  I forgot to mention last time that before I put the oil pump 
cover on, I packed the pump with Vaseline.  Also on the subject of replacing 
the pan gasket I should have gone one step further and said that the point is 
I feel it would be better to get the rubber seal that rides in the bearing cap
groove as well as the cork gaskets when doing a pan-drop type repair.

	Anyway-in the interests of cleanliness I had already cleaned what 
little sludge and deposits there were in the hiding spots in the block.  I 
have also torqued all lower end connectors/cleaned gasket surfaces/etc.  While
the block was flipped upside down I cleaned the cam bearings and coated them 
with assembly lube, coated the cam with the same and installed the cam making 
sure not to nick it.  While upside down you can support the cam while 
threading it through the block.  At this point I prepped the oil pan by 
scraping the sludge out and running it on the wire wheel in preparation for 
the coat of AMC blue.  I installed the gaskets, evenly torqued the pan down 
and flipped it over in order to install the lifters.  In case it hasn't 
ocurred to you, don't flip the block over with the new lifters in it-they 
don't have varnish on them and will probably fall out and you will hate that.

	I soaked my lifters overnight in break-in lube (there are many schools 
of thought  on lifter prep) , wiped them off and coated them in assembly lube.
They slip right in no problem.  Hmmm!  Excitement is growing as it am lookin' 
like this thing might just run again.  I'm going to stop here so I can get 
this out, the next post will be on the head prep and valve seals/de-coking (as
the Brits say) et al.  In the meantine it's on to the dreaded wire wheel to 
clean up all of the remaining fasteners in order to prepare for the final 
stages of assembly.  That's all for now-
Brad Feick


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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 97 23:57:55 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Part2.Help!! Stuck in Emergency Drive

Those four bolts are the world's toughest to get out. VERY tight space.
>>>>>>
That's why choosy bone yard pickers choose the hot knife!


New would be better.
>>>>>>
How true

Brad Feick


  






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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 97 00:02:19 EST
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Re: Part2.Help!! Stuck in Emergency Drive

Those four bolts are the world's toughest to get out. VERY tight space.
>>>>>>
That's why choosy bone yard pickers choose the hot knife!


New would be better.
>>>>>>
How true

Brad Feick


  






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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:43:44 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
Subject: FSJ Decal Update


Hello FSJers,

I still have 75 of the 4x6 FSJ vinyl decals.  They still sell
for $3 each, this covers postage.  A sample can be viewed at

http://ai2a.net/~jsego/misc/jeep.shtml

All orders that I've received have been mailed.  You should
have your's by Saturday.  Frank and Sune, you may have to 
wait on the mail system a bit longer :-)

As soon as the demand for these is over we'll start on the
IFSJA decals if there is an interest.  One thing the next 
generation of decals should have is the URL of the web site.
Yeah Doc, you'll have your name is vinyl!

C'ya
Joe

79 Chief


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Date:  Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:14:23 -0800
From: "Allan Weidenheimer" <allanw-at-pacific.telebyte.com>
Subject: Custom bolt pattern wheels, M715 parts

Thanks Ken!
It's Stockton Wheel, in (where else?) Stockton Ca.
800-395-wheel  (seems to be too many letters but it works)

A friend wants 16" tubeless rims with a 47 Dodge 6 bolt pattern to replace
his split rims.  They were familiar and even knew of some problems to make
this
conversion work.  $90 each.  Seemed like a good outfit.

Landon, concerning the M715 bellhousing on the FSJ want list,
have you checked the military vehicle preservation association page at
www.mvpa.org?  They've got lots of links, it appears there is even
a military vehicle mail list.  Maybe someplace in there there is a 
spot to post what you are looking for?  Just a thought...

Allan Weidenheimer
84 GW

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Date:  12 Mar 97 02:36:20 EST
From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Canadian Reg. Cord. for Canada

Hey Docster !

Sure, sign me up for the Chief Area Aggravator, or whatever the heck the name is
that you came up with. I'll do Western Canada, for all 2 of us members :)
I might even have Ol' White in marathon shape by then, at least I hope I will
(g)

Eddie in Vancouver  B.C.  Canada   (where we are getting a touch of snow)
'79 Cherokee Wide Track  QT  AT  I6  169,400 miles
Dana 44's  3.54 gears


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Date:  12 Mar 97 02:36:15 EST
From: Edwin Pedersen <102551.2631-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: IFSJ Business Cards

Doc,

Looks good to me.
What kind of costs are we looking for the members to purchas?
For 10, for 20, etc..

Eddie in Vancouver


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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:01:37 +0200 (WET)
From: <ik3274-at-tutech.fi>
Subject: Re: 35 now 36sKen



On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, kenns wrote:

> 
> also i have a dropped pitman arm for the 74 on up FSJ's,
> interested??

How much do you want for it to be posted to Finland?

ismo 
from warm and sunny Finland (no snow for two weeks now)




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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:19:11 -0600
From: "JenHen" <jenhen-at-neca.com>
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks

Right. I should have mentioned that a proper receiver hitch would be
acceptable too. Of course, Since I don't have one, that completely slipped
my mind!

Henry

----------
> From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-ai2a.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Tow Hooks
> Date: Wednesday, March 12, 1997 10:41 AM
> 
> At 10:25 PM 3/11/97 -0600, you wrote:
> >Yikes, I'd stay away from that one, Randy. "Doctrine" states that tow
hooks
> >should be bolted directly to the frame. I wouldn't trust the strength of
> >even an FSJ bumper bracket when pulling a stuck FSJ or other heavy 4x4
out.
> >
> >Henry
> 
> I agree with Henry, I had a slightly bent bumber bracket,
> straightened it right out with a 16 oz. hammer on the concrete
> garage floor!  Very light weight metal.
> 
> For a rear attachment point I trust the class II or III
> receiver hitch thats welded and bolted to both frame rails.
> 
> C'ya
> Joe-
> 79 Chief


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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:30:08 -0700
From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney)
Subject: Re: Part2.Help!! Stuck in Emergency Drive

You only need to remove the back cover of the QT case to replace the vacuum
diaphram.  This is much easier than removing the entire case, although it is
STILL a pain in the butt!  If anyone needs info on doing this, I have docs from
when I put in a Mile Marker part-time conversion kit in my '78 Wag.

c-ya,
Whit.

Steve Whitney, '78 Wag
Tucson, AZ
swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov

 
> Bob,
> Well I hate to tell you....but...I think you'll have to pull the
> case to install the diaphram.  I just had mine out last fall and
> replaced the diaphram and front seals. IMHO there is no way of
> doing it without removing it :-(  I need to do the same....
> 

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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:45:10 -0700
From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney)
Subject: Ken's pitman arm

Ken,

If the pitman arm to ismo doesn't work out, I'd be interested in it.

c-ya,
Whit.

Steve Whitney, '78 Wag
Tucson, AZ
swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov

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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 97 08:04:14 -0800
From: bks-at-co.intel.com
Subject: Re: Tires, Gears, a little paint, and a name


Ken wrote:

> well AA now sells a 3.5/1 tc to replace the tc's in the wranglers
> and the d300, little that does for us, but hey..its
> only money ;)

Hmm... 3.5 would be a pretty darn good low range.  Lets see, with a
6.5:1 first and 4.10 R&Ps, thats a crawl ratio of 93:1!  (But then I
don't have a 6.5:1 first or 4.10:1 R&Ps either... yet anyway... only
money...)

As long as I am dreamin, I was staring at the diagram for an NP219
the other day, and thougt to myself wouldn't it be neat if you could
take out the full time diff and replace it with a second (custom) reduction
unit, converting it to a part time unit with both a 2.61 low range
and a 6.81 low range (2.61*2.61)!  If only someone made a kit....


-dreamin brad

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Date:  Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:15:04 -0800
From: Thomas Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Desktop Dyno and the 258

M_B_FEICK wrote:

>         This is making more sense now, and I DID talk to Crower today.  First,
> just for grins, can you compare my set up as above, but add 9:1 compression to
> see how that affects things.
> 

I'll run it with the 9:1 tonight. If I remember correctly, raising
compression tends to uniformly raise the torque and horsepower
throughout the rpm range.  I'll post the results tonight.  How did they
explain the 280 duration thing?  Was that a typo?

>         Crower responded exactly as I  thought saying that the Dyno Programs
> were a bunch of hooey (sorry Bill).  They said that they developed this cam on
> the dyno years ago, and it is excellent for it's application.  (Well, what did
> you expect them to say, it bites perhaps?)  Maybe I should outline what I
> asked for (which is in keeping with my project parameters)
> 

Sounds like they have yet to understand the power of computer modelling
;)  I agree that the simplified dyno program won't be 100% accurate on
absolute results (although they DO claim it is up to 95% accurate), but
it's real benefit is in judging the relative effects of changes,
especially of the camshaft timing.

>         I asked for a cam that boosted low end torque in a largely stock motor
> and had a good idle quality.  The cam we are talking about comes on right
> before 1K RPM and is good up to 4.5K RPM or thereabouts.  I wanted more
> "grunt" for low speed wheelin' (which is the kind of wheelin' we have in the
> great NE) or for pullin' stumps, draggin' stuff, snow crawlin' etc.
> Mr. Beef sports the 4:09 gear set, so he's set up for this very thing.  I

With the short durations on that cam, your idle should be butter smooth
and have tons of vacuum.  Do you have an auto or stick transmission? 
With an auto I don't think you'll see the below 1000 rpm boost.  Don't
those 4.09 gears cause the rpms to be up compared to if you had a lower
ratio?  The numbers from that cam show a really good boost in torque
over the stock cam up to 3000 rpm.  The thing I didn't like about the
curve is that it was constantly decreasing through that range (and
pretty steeply, too) so the more it revs, the less it pulls.  Like I
said before, I like a flat (but high) torque curve.

> 
>         Everyone with a stock 258 that is pretty solid can draw thier own
> conclusions from my results on this project and possibly model thier own
> improvements after this or avoid my mistakes.  I'm casually looking into
> headers right now, I can always easily add them later which is one of the
> reasons I'm not that worried about them for now.  There are trade offs for
> headers AFAIC.  Also the Smog Nazis can't detect a cam like the one I'm using,
> which is a consideration for some of you...
> Brad Feick

After I do the run with 9:1 compression, I'll also do runs with headers
for both the 8:1 and the 9:1.  Thanks for sharing this info, Brad.  I'm
sure we'll all be interested in hearing about your field testing!  Take
it easy.

Tom Anhalt
'81 Cherokee Laredo

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