Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:40:07 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Rear End
dana and spicer are the same thing, it was dana spicer
in the begining, but now its called just spicer!!!
John Esposito wrote:
>
> I just had a (non-jeep)parts guy insist that I couldn't have a Dana 44 rear
> end in my '89 GW. He claims that only Spicer 44 or Dana 35 were available
> for those vehicles. Did Spicer and Dana take the same cover? My factory
> service manual says the GW's in '89 only had Dana 44's. I am looking for
> the gasket so I can check out my rp's and the fluid(something doesn't sound
> right) and this guy is giving me an arguement. Any help.
>
> Alfred J. Esposito
> espos-at-compuserve.com
> '89 Grand Wagoneer
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 06 May 97 16:25:43 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Rear End I just had a (non-jeep)parts guy insist that I couldn't have a Dana 44 rear end in my '89 GW. He claims that only Spicer 44 or Dana 35 were available for those vehicles. Did Spicer and Dana take the same cover? My factory service manual says the GW's in '89 only had Dana 44's. I am looking for the gasket so I can check out my rp's and the fluid(something doesn't sound right) and this guy is giving me an arguement. Any help. >>>> I don't know if they differentiate between a Dana rear and a Spicer rear, but if this helps, Spicer is a division of Dana. I know this because Dana is a major employer here in Reading and Pottstown Pa. Perhaps they are one and the same rear. Brad Feick ps I hate it when my buddies get me free u-joints[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:47:49 -0700 From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca> Subject: Re: Puffing smoke jaamize wrote: > > my GW has also been doing this. I have also noticed that it surges and then drastically slows alot when driving is this also a symptom you folks have had, along with the others you have shown? (i am assuming the puff of smoke you are talking about is co> Alisa Sounds more like a clogged fuel filter or the float not set right. Gord[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:50:46 -0500 From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> Subject: Spark Plug Gap Has anybody done any experimenting with plug gap? The service manual says to gap my '82 360 at .33-.38, I'm wondering if there is any advantage to ether side of the range? I noticed awile back someone mentioned gaping at .50[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:53:09 -0700 From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca> Subject: Re: Rear End John Esposito wrote: > > I just had a (non-jeep)parts guy insist that I couldn't have a Dana 44 rear > end in my '89 GW. He claims that only Spicer 44 or Dana 35 were available > for those vehicles. Did Spicer and Dana take the same cover? My factory > service manual says the GW's in '89 only had Dana 44's. I am looking for > the gasket so I can check out my rp's and the fluid(something doesn't sound > right) and this guy is giving me an arguement. Any help. > Do the Chrysler versions not use the AMC 20 rear end? I was under the impression they continued for some time after the Chrysler buy out. If your rear end is round with no bumbs then it is an AMC 20. If not than I think Dana and Spicer were the same company. If it is a Dana, than I may think of swapping as I understand things like lockers are much cheaper for the Dana 44. Gord[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 18:04:18 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: [No Subject]
Ok, you're it... the NC state rep, part of the Southeast US Regional
Chapter, ok?
I s'pose the SE would be say from Maryland south? Maryland, DE, VA, WV,
SC, NC, GA, FL, AL, MS, LA. So we've got me in FL, and Jack in NC. Where
'bouts in NC are you, Jack? I'm thinking of going to Murphy with my 4wd
club in I think August, not sure. Depends....
>Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:48:52 -0400
>From: Jack Jacques <ozwine-at-dnet.net>
>Subject: State Reps
>
>Folks,
>I'll raise my hand for North Carolina
>Jack
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 18:08:53 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: six-pack in Old Blue
>I'll probably end up using the 4.0L and AW 4spd that's left over
>after fixing the 88 xj
I wouldn't use any of the Japanese manuals in an SJ, John... they're
quite marginal even in an XJ. If you want a four-speed, get yourself a
T-176 or T-18 or durn near any Ford transmission. The only difference
between the Fords and the T-176 is the clutch disc and pilot bushing used,
they're otherwise a direct bolt-in, I believe (the SROD is... same tranny).
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 06 May 97 17:30:35 EDT From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Xcase type?? What flavor of transfer case came in a 82 Suburban with 700r4 od tranny with 3.73 rears and 350 4 bbl motor? I might could grab the adapter off the 'case if it will go on a NP 205. It has auto hubs. Brad Feick[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:25:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: Rear End On Tue, 6 May 1997, Gordon McKenzie wrote: > Do the Chrysler versions not use the AMC 20 rear end? I was under the > impression they continued for some time after the Chrysler buy out. If > your rear end is round with no bumbs then it is an AMC 20. If not than I > think Dana and Spicer were the same company. I went to some web site for Dana and something there led me to believe that they are the same company. (I can't remember) It was my understanding that AMC didn;t actually make anything but bodies and motors.[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:55:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: FSJ business card Does anyone know where I can get a "non-copyrighted" b/w image that will print well (laser). I am looking to make some FSJ business cards that I can put on the windshields of FSJ's I come across in parking lots.[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 17:21:13 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Xcase type?? At 17:30 06-05-97 EDT, you wrote: >What flavor of transfer case came in a 82 Suburban with 700r4 od tranny with >3.73 rears and 350 4 bbl motor? I might could grab the adapter off the 'case >if it will go on a NP 205. It has auto hubs. > >Brad Feick Brad, According to the books I have the 1/2 and 3/4 ton should have run the NP 208 with the 2.6 low. This is not gospel :) Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 17:33:17 -0700 From: BG <garrison-at-ptw.com> Subject: Re: Spark Plug Gap Jeff Herbst wrote: > > Has anybody done any experimenting with plug gap? The service manual > says to gap my '82 360 at .33-.38, I'm wondering if there is any > advantage to ether side of the range? I noticed awile back someone > mentioned gaping at .50 Jeff, unless you have a High energy ignition(like Jacobs energy pack), gapping your plugs wider will have a detrimental effect. Under pressure the power of the spark will diminish. Narrower gaps have stronger spark but the area of the spark is less. Less area means less efficient fuel/air burn. Larger gap=weaker spark but area increases. Still you will have less efficient fuel/air burn. With a high energy coil you can improve spark area and strength. The OEM ignition would be optimized at the .33 to .38, hence thier suggestion of those settings. Higher coil output will allow a larger gap. If you want more spark area and power, use a multi-spark system with high energy coil. Remember too that more spark has the same effect as advancing your ignition timing. This is due to the more efficient fuel/air burn. Im running a Jacobs system with .45 gap steel plugs. Not platinum or splitfire... You dont need them if you turn up the spark Bert Garrison J-20, 360 4bbl, t-18 Edwards CA[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 17:43:16 -0700 From: BG <garrison-at-ptw.com> Subject: Re: I NEED AN AXLE SHAFT FAST! GypsyLive-at-aol.com wrote: > > My passenger side rear axle shaft is screwed, the bearing spun and chewed it > up, Ive searched most of the local yards to no avail, so If anybody out there > has an > AMC 20 WIDETRACK passenger side axle shaft they would like to part with I > NEED IT! Try these guys... Boyce Equipment 1-800-748-4269 or Hicks 4X4 1-800-999-7674 or National Drivetrain 1-800-507-4327 They should beable to help or point you in the right direction Bert Garrison 78 J-20 360 4bbl, T-18 Edwards CA[Back to Top]
Date: 06 May 97 20:47:06 EDT From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Rear End P)> I just had a (non-jeep)parts guy insist that I couldn't have a Dana 44 rear P)> end in my '89 GW. He claims that only Spicer 44 or Dana 35 were available P)> for those vehicles. Did Spicer and Dana take the same cover? My factory P)> service manual says the GW's in '89 only had Dana 44's. I am looking for P)> the gasket so I can check out my rp's and the fluid(something doesn't sound P)> right) and this guy is giving me an arguement. Any help. I have never heard of a Dana 35 in a GW, the Dana Spicer 44 rear end was used from the early 70's untill 79 (offset diff) and later models, I believe 87 or 88 untill the end of production (center diff), sounds like this guy was including mini wagoneers too get that 35. RULE #1: Anyone other than you and a few others dont know squat about these trucks, be very weary of parts people. Once a parts guy told me an 84 GW bumper won't fit on my 79 cherokee, he lost that sale quick :> Karl Streich[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 17:53:17 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Xcase type??
id vote for a np208. but then my buds with 3/4 subs 80,86
have th400 and np205. but from what ur saying, is that urs
is a 1/2 ton!! so alot #$ good that dos u!!
M_B_FEICK wrote:
>
> What flavor of transfer case came in a 82 Suburban with 700r4 od tranny with
> 3.73 rears and 350 4 bbl motor? I might could grab the adapter off the 'case
> if it will go on a NP 205. It has auto hubs.
>
> Brad Feick
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 17:54:04 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Rear End
dana and spicer r the same make, co etc!!!
Moake Brian wrote:
>
> On Tue, 6 May 1997, Gordon McKenzie wrote:
> > Do the Chrysler versions not use the AMC 20 rear end? I was under the
> > impression they continued for some time after the Chrysler buy out. If
> > your rear end is round with no bumbs then it is an AMC 20. If not than I
> > think Dana and Spicer were the same company.
>
> I went to some web site for Dana and something there led me to believe
> that they are the same company. (I can't remember)
>
> It was my understanding that AMC didn;t actually make anything but bodies
> and motors.
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:04:49 -0700 From: "Allan Weidenheimer" <allanw-at-pacific.telebyte.com> Subject: Overdrive tranny The June 97 issue of Street Rodder has an article about Mopar overdrive automatics. The new 518 has a case that looks identicle to the 727, but the tailshaft is longer because that is where the overdrive is. Has a lockup converter also. They, of course, don't show a transfer case mated up, but these trannys come in V-8 Jeep Cherokees and the fullsize Dodge trucks, including the diesel, and these have transfer cases. I was thinking, great, I just get one, swap xcase onto it, maybe mod driveshaft...(2-1/2") But it looks like that won't work. The back of the main case where the tailshaft bolts on is different (added passages). Too bad the Jeep bellhousing is different from the Chrysler bellhousing, as it has the same gears as the 727 except for the added .69 (31%) overdrive. I wonder if a good machinist could remove the Jeep bellhousing from a dead tranny, then remove the Chrysler housing from a 518... Hey, I can dream can't I? Allan Weidenheimer 84 GW P.S.: I'm about 20+ digests behind, and with summer coming, I might unsubscribe and just check the archives when I get time. If you want to contact me, do it direct please![Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:15:21 -0500 From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> Subject: RE: Spark Plug Gap Bert wrote: > >>If you want more spark area and power, use a multi-spark system with >>high energy coil. Remember too that more spark has the same effect as >>advancing your ignition timing. This is due to the more efficient >>fuel/air burn. > Thanks for the info Bert, I am running an ACCEL coil but I don't believe it to be much higher energy than stock. I'll keep them -at- .33 for now. What do you mean by mulit-spark? How do you like the Jacobs system? and finally do you have any experience with "split-fire" plugs? Do they do anything or is it marketing hype? I have finished with the intake( Edelbrock 1400 carb and preformer manifold), The exhaust (Edelbrock T.E.S. headers, 3"cat, 3"flowmaster and 3" pipes) so now it's time to concentrate on the ignition. Any suggestions guys? (oh, and gals?) Jeff Herbst 1982 Wagoneer LTD > Texas >[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 21:20:50 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Tranny on the way out! >> Paul, sounds like a good time to swap in a 4-spd :) >> >> Regards, >> -jj >> >> --------------------------------------------------- > >What 4-speed can be swapped straight across? How much are we talking? >and What advantages would a 4-speed have over a 3-speed? > >Sounds good to me! :-) > >Paul Boe Ohh man, I knew you were gonna ask that :) A T-18 (4.xx low)or T-18A (6.xx low)will bolt in if it's from a jeep. Fords ran a T-18 but I don't know if the input shaft will match. I think even IH ran em too. I better leave the rest up to the gear guru's... Anyone feel like jump'n in here? Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:26:34 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: 401
> im looking for a 401 engine for my buddy. would you happen to know where in
> the southwest one is availible? we have look all over the state of arizona
> for one and cant find anyone willing to part with theirs.
>
> KRAZED01-at-aol.com
Don't have a clue, I'm in the Northwest. However, I do know of a few
FSJ types down your way and I'm cc'ing this to a list that they'd see
it. You might also try Olympic 4x4 up here in Snohomish, WA... not
sure what it would cost to ship down there though... I looked at
shipping a 258 from Pennsylvannia to Washington and it was about
$350...
good luck,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:49:12 -0700 From: BG <garrison-at-ptw.com> Subject: Re: Spark Plug Gap > What do you mean by mulit-spark? Multi-spark systems like the "Jacobs"and "MSD" have processor based electronics that (I have no idea how this works) can sence the need for additional spark during the combustion stroke and fire the plug many times in rapid succession (really fast!) I'm sure there r people on the net that have a better understanding of "how" the system works and can explain it too us. > How do you like the Jacobs system? I like it!!! I'm running an Edelbrock "Performer" with a Holly 600 vac on my origional 360 rebuilt to 30 over, and everything is hooked up just like it was in 1978 with the exception of the heat riser style choke. She starts first time every time! and Idle is smooth as silk. The MSD system is good too! I just decided to try the Jacobs cause I lived in Texas at the time and they were made down the street > finally do you have any experience with "split-fire" plugs? Do they do > anything or is it marketing hype? I personnaly have not noticed the "Big, or your Money Back" improvement Split-fire claims! And... Jacobs and MSD both do NOT reccomend "Multi-electrode" plugs (ala "Split-Fire"... they did'nt want a lawsuit I guess) I had them in when I ran the Jacobs system for the first time and they ran "rough as a cob" Called the tech line at Jacobs and they said quote, "Go by some cheap steel plugs" I did, gapped them -at-.45 and have been running that way for a year... Towed a 12,000 lb car hauler from Texas to California with absolutely NO PROBLEMS!.... So,in a nutshell yep I'm happy I'd be happy to discuss any "spark" type questions... don't forget your distributor curve too! Bert Garrison 78 J-20, 360 4bbl, T-18 Edwards, CA[Back to Top]
Date: 07 May 97 02:09:50 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Tommy L. listen-up! {delete-personal}
Yo Tommy, I sent e-mail to you twice in the last two weeks. It bounced both
times. YOur list of parts should be ready. Send me some e-mail.
Everybody: It's back...
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 23:39:52 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Rear End At 15:44 06-05-97 -0400, you wrote: Did Spicer and Dana take the same cover? My factory >service manual says the GW's in '89 only had Dana 44's. I am looking for >the gasket so I can check out my rp's and the fluid(something doesn't sound >right Alfred, Dana/Spicer are the same company now but you should have an AMC 20 rear end in your truck and D44 in front. Look at the cover. The AMC 20 will be a smooth round cover like a soccer ball no bumps...nothin. The D44 will have a protrusion for the ring gear. Compare your front/rear. Stock r&p for the NP 228 x-case is 2.73 and 3.31 with the NP 208 transfer case. Regards, -joe[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 05:30:21 -0700 From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net> Subject: Re: d60 front At 10:22 AM 5/5/97 -0600, you wrote: > > >On Sun, 4 May 1997, billy dunn wrote: ><<SNIP>> >> Now I have found a 60 front >> with 4.56s and Im thinking about buying it and doing a spring over.For >> 400.00 I cant beat a deal like that. ><<SNIP>> >> Thanks, >> Billy >> 79,80J10 > >Amen to that, If you don't buy it let me know. That's what i've been >looking for. It's even the right R&P ratio. At that price i'd be willing >to pay shipping from the east coast. I'd still be money ahead from what >I've found out here. > >Brian > > *-------------------------------------------------------------* > | briggs-at-genetics.utah.edu | Web Page Development UtahFWDA | > | justbr-at-aol.com | Storm Mountain 4X4 SLC Ut | > | Salt Lake City, Utah | Red Rock 4Wheelers Moab Ut | > |-------------------------------------------------------------| > |'79 Wide Trac Cherokee Chief S: AMC 360, T18, Dana20, Dana 44| > |front and rear with 4.56 gears & Lock-Rites, 35" BFG M/Ts, 4"| > |SkyJacker SoftRide Lift, Some rust, And lots of dents. =8) | > *-------------------------------------------------------------* > Brian,The person I have been talking to is from Texas....The last time I talked with him he had 3 left....So shipping would not be that much...I was going to plan a weekend of it and drive out there in my all purpose vehicle(SUBARU) and bring it back.I'll have to get up with him again and see if he even has 1 left. Billy 79,80J10[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:37:00 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Spark Plug Gap In a message dated 97-05-07 03:10:16 EDT, you write: > > What do you mean by mulit-spark? > > Multi-spark systems like the "Jacobs"and "MSD" have processor based > electronics that (I have no idea how this works) can sence the need for > additional spark during the combustion stroke and fire the plug many > times in rapid succession (really fast!) I'm sure there r people on the > net that have a better understanding of "how" the system works and can > explain it too us. > The TECH told me this on the phone once, and I asked whynot just produce MAXIMUM number of MAXIMUM output sparls every shot? he did not have an answer, do any of you? ( im just too curious!)[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:40:34 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: I NEED AN AXLE SHAFT FAST! A local yard thinks he has an 1981 J10, I left the shaft there over night, he is trying to match it up this morning, so Ill know in a few hours if I can get locally or not.. I do appreciate everyones FAST responses!! Thanks Matt ++ JEEPLESS in Arkansas ++[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: I NEED AN AXLE SHAFT FAST! BRIAN RIGGS! It is a 1980, cheif 2 door widetrack, model 117 serial number... ( kidding) 360, tf727, np208, amc 20 in rear!!!! thanks![Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 06:27:30 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Top Speed/Gear Ratio
It depends on your gear ratio. Look at the front cover on your
differential on the front axle and look for a tag. It'll have two
numbers, say like 48 and 19 or something like that. That will
determine your ratio.
You won't hurt your rig if you held it to the floor all the way
across montana... The size and weight of our rigs would act as a
governer to keep from overrevving the engine...
As far as straining, let your temp gauge be your guide. Heat, my
friend, is the enemy. IF the temp gauge starts to rise and the oil
pressure drop, back down off a notch or so... :-)
In the 1966 article I'll be putting up soon, the author (in FL)
stated these things could cruise at their (then) top speed of 98 mph
all day long... I have no reason to think otherwise with the newer
ones.
I've cruised across Europe at 115 mph in a 67 Mustang with 2.79 gears
and never had a problem...
ttyl,
john
> Hi John,
>
> Am planning to go to Montana this summer. I started to think about how much
> gas it was going to cost me and got to thinking about RPM strain on the Wag
> and top crusing speed. I looked in your Jeep page at Off-road.com and got
> info on how to determine RPM/Speed. I believe we both have the NP 219
> transfer case and our wheels are the same size (235s). Does that mean the
> sample gear ratio and speed calculation you put up is pretty much identical
> to mine? Is there a speed (sustained over the long drive) I would not want
> to exceed because of the gearing? I understand driving in Montana gives a
> person a really lead foot...I don't want to strain the Wag for a few extra MPH.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Roti
>
>
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:41:30 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: WANTED: JTruck or Cherokee So I'm telling my wife lastnight about my plans for the '89GW; manifold, duals, lift, remove woodgrain, etc., and she stops me. "You can't remove the woodgrain. That's going to be my primary vehicle pretty soon". "What?" I reply with laser-like debate tactics. "Yeah, I like the woodgrain. You're just driving it until you can get you your own little something". Little something? When am I going to get me a little something? This is her philosophy: She's always seen us having something big and something little, and then my toy. Well she has laid claim to the big vehicle, and has told me in no uncertain terms that the Mercury Sable is TEMPORARY. And she won't even think about a mini-van. What a babe! So, I can't do any real mods on the wagon, so, I'm lookin for a JTruck or a Cherokee. Anybody in the Southeast seen one of these things around lately? I live in Huntsville, AL but don't mind driving a ways for a good deal. JB "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 97 09:55:13 -0400
From: Phil_Horton-at-avid.com
Subject: actual mileage may vary, 'n other stuff (long)
Another mileage data point: For the past 2 yrs or so I've had to keep
track of mileage and gallonage cause of a broken gas gauge sending unit
(now fixed). Tallied the #'s last night. For context - I've got a
stock '88 GW, 360 w/2 barrel (Motorcraft I think) carb. Not sure about
auto tranny type or differentials (I'll make a note next time I'm under)
but the transfer case is a NP229. Over the last 18K miles of mixed
(city, highway, and 4wd beach cruising) I got 11.9. Based on my notes -
during one period last fall (the annual MV fishing derby) I ran up over
500 miles of contiguous beach driving and got (yikes) 9.5. In
retrospect, not sure I should have done this exercise :-).
Factory service manuals: Ordered an (original/new leftover) service
manual from Brian of Brian's 4wd Parts and Lit.
(http://www.classicar.com/vendors/brian4wd/brians.htm)
yesterday. $69 He seemed pretty knowable and helpful. He mentioned
somebody in the area (central CT) was parting out an '83 GW. If you
live in that area and are interested....
Sagging bottoms: This thread was going a while back, but I measured the
height from ground to the TDC of my rear wheel wells and got 27 3/16" on
the left and 28 1/2" on the right. For context - I'm running stock
(saggy) springs and 235/75R15 Michelin XH4's. Nice street tire and they
do perfectly well on the beach when dropped down to 15-17 PSI. Rear
spring fix-up and and shocks are on my list. For shock value I checked
into the price of new replacement rear springs (yikes). I think I read
something in a recent digest about using 'add a leafs' to bring it back
up to stock height. Anybody have any experience w/this?
Body leaks: Dropped of the Wag at the welder (again) this AM. Not
completely sure of the cause but I've got stress breaks in the body
right where the rear seat 'platform' intersects the rear wheel wells on
both sides. On both sides the metal was good (read: no rust at all).
In the case of the right side the crack/break had propagated across the
wheel well. I suspect the breakage was caused by the stress of running
through bumpy beach ruts all these years, but other GW owners may want
to take a look at their rigs - it appears to be a possible failure point
in the body design. I think I've solved the rest of my body leaks so
I'm looking forward to dry floors after I get this done.
Sidebar for John:
Pass the Rogain. My rig'll soon have dry floors like Old Blue and I'll
still have a full head of hair (which implies .....). Nanananana. A
smarty pants, a newbie, and a (yuk) Mac user.
Local FSJ reps: Me thinks Doc asked this Q last week. Good idea, and
my hand is up for New Hampster.
Pick up another commuter car this past w/e. Gives the Wag some time off
the road for some much needed TLC. Might have been (another)
hallucination but I think I saw the Wag smile a little when I drove the
new car up the driveway on Monday after I picked it up :-)
take care
Phil Horton
phil_horton-at-avid.com
'88 Grand Wangoneer (with new and improved dry floor)
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 7 May 97 09:23:57 CDT
From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson)
Subject: Help with Identification
Hey Folks,
I spotted what I think was a Wagoneer in
Garland yesterday. The sight of a For Sale
sign caused my to make an abrupt u-turn on a
busy major road. It was a 4 door ( is there
such a thing as a 4door Cherokee??) V8 auto
tilt, a/c, sunroof, 4in susp lift and 3in
body lift, and had 38 in monster mudder.
Ok, now for ID, it had the wrap around
tail lights, backup lights (my 64 dont!),
round headlights and round turn signals in
the grill. The hood had a bar across the
bottom so it was flush with the top of the
grill. The dash had the 3 round cluster
variety. I left him a card with my home and
work numbers, but have yet to hear anything.
A vehicle of this nature would allow me to
keep my 64 stock and go with my plan of
creating a "PowerWagoneer". :) :) :)!!!
I test drove an 85 Grand Wag Saturday. Cold
air, rust free and straight body. All the
windows worked, new All Terrains but the
paint was oxidizing and the tranny was
slipping. It was on a lot between Mckinney
and Princeton and was offered at 3750.00
Just so's yall would know....
Later
Tony R. Hanson (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com)
IFSJA TX/OK Chapter RC
1964 Wagoneer Copeville, Texas
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:02:08 -0400 From: John Esposito <espos-at-compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Rear End - gord Gord, It is definately Dana. The is a big Dana stamp right in the center of the cover. The factory manual says the GW only had Dana 44's in '89. Alfred J. Esposito espos-at-compuserve.com '89 Grand Wagoneer[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:02:10 -0400 From: John Esposito <espos-at-compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Rear End - Joe I have identical covers on front and rear and they both are the 44 covers with Dana stamped on them. The factory manual says only 44's for the GW's in '89. The bolted on tag says the rp's are 3.31. The manual says 3.31 were only available in the 35's that year. I do have the factory towing package though. Confusion is the appropriate word hereI believe. Alfred J. Esposito espos-at-compuserve.com '89 Grand Wagoneer[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:11:43 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: Help with Identification >round headlights and round turn signals in >the grill. The hood had a bar across the >bottom so it was flush with the top of the >grill Sounds like a '76 or '77 Wagoneer. JB "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 09:32:26 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: gears
>Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 08:48:45 -0500
>From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
>Subject: Re: Gas mileage question
<snip>
>the mileage will have gone down once she's back on the road due to the
>lower (3.73 versus the original 3.31) gears I've just installed.
How much do you want for the 3.31s? I presume they're out of a 44 front
and 20 rear... And where are you located?
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:31:26 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: regional coordinators
>Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:11:50 EDT
>From: yinadral-at-juno.com
>Subject: Re: Regional Coordinators
>
>Sounds great Henry. I could use all the help I can get. It does seem to
>me that I got the Coordinator job by default. I could of sworn we were
>going to vote on this (scratching his head).
I seem to recall you saying you'd act as temporary RC, till y'all got
organized and elected a permanent one, myself... So then hold an election!
It seemed to work fine regarding a meeting place, first run, etc...
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:36:52 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: CO flammable?
>Carbon Monoxide is flamable and if the running vehicle is too
>rich there would be some unburned hydrocarbons
'scuse me? Carbon Monoxide is NOT flammable, and readily displaces
oxygen! No ozygen, no burning.
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:38:23 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: rear end
>I just had a (non-jeep)parts guy insist that I couldn't have a Dana 44 rear
>end in my '89 GW. He claims that only Spicer 44 or Dana 35 were available
>for those vehicles. Did Spicer and Dana take the same cover? My factory
>service manual says the GW's in '89 only had Dana 44's.
Spicer and Dana are the same company.
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 08:46:01 -0700 From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca> Subject: Re: Rear End - Joe John Esposito wrote: > > I have identical covers on front and rear and they both are the 44 covers > with Dana stamped on them. The factory manual says only 44's for the GW's > in '89. The bolted on tag says the rp's are 3.31. The manual says 3.31 were > only available in the 35's that year. I do have the factory towing package > though. Confusion is the appropriate word hereI believe. > 3.31's are the towing ratios for these beasts starting sometime before 1981 (mine)[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 08:49:48 -0700 From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca> Subject: Re: Tranny on the way out! Joe Schaefer wrote: > > >> Paul, sounds like a good time to swap in a 4-spd :) > >> > >> Regards, > >> -jj > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > > > >What 4-speed can be swapped straight across? How much are we talking? > >and What advantages would a 4-speed have over a 3-speed? > > > >Sounds good to me! :-) > > > >Paul Boe > > Ohh man, I knew you were gonna ask that :) A T-18 (4.xx low)or T-18A (6.xx > low)will bolt in if it's from a jeep. Fords ran a T-18 but I don't know if > the input shaft will match. I think even IH ran em too. I better leave the > rest up to the gear guru's... Anyone feel like jump'n in here? > Regards, > -jj > From my CJ days, I know you can mount a Ford 2wheel drive T-18 to a Dana 300 with an adapter and some drilling of the bellhousing but the tranny needs some pieces swapped. I don't remember what tranfer case you have but if it's a Dana 20, then you may be able to find a 77 - 79 Jeep T-18 from a CJ that will work. Otherwise you'll have to get in touch with Advance Adapters and see what they can provide for adapters.[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:59:59 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: Re: FSJ business card I've been thinking of doing the same thing. Doc had a great prototype on the FSJ page awhile back, but I can't find it now. Doc? I was thinking of lifting it and using it for my cards. Doc? c-ya, Whit. Steve Whitney, '78 Wag 401, 4bbl, TH400 w/ B&M Transpak, QT w/ MM part-time kit, 2" AALs, 31" BFG ATs Tucson, AZ swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:29:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu> Subject: Re: d60 front On Wed, 7 May 1997, billy dunn wrote: > At 10:22 AM 5/5/97 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >On Sun, 4 May 1997, billy dunn wrote: > ><<SNIP>> > >> Now I have found a 60 front > >> with 4.56s and Im thinking about buying it and doing a spring over.For > >> 400.00 I cant beat a deal like that. > ><<SNIP>> > >> Thanks, > >> Billy > >> 79,80J10 > > > >Amen to that, If you don't buy it let me know. That's what i've been > >looking for. It's even the right R&P ratio. At that price i'd be willing > >to pay shipping from the east coast. I'd still be money ahead from what > >I've found out here. > > > >Brian > > Brian,The person I have been talking to is from Texas....The last time I > talked with him he had 3 left....So shipping would not be that much...I was > going to plan a weekend of it and drive out there in my all purpose > vehicle(SUBARU) and bring it back.I'll have to get up with him again and see > if he even has 1 left. > Billy > 79,80J10 > If they have another one left let me know and I'll snag it. Brian[Back to Top]
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