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Wednesday, May 14, 1997 10:36:49 PM

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:40:00 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Three Piece Bumper

Great find, Zack. Is it the front or rear bumper? My front's passable but
the rear bumper got mangled when I lost my brakes on the trail last year.
Yes, nxt time you're at the yard pls see how much they want. Is Brad near
you? I'm not sure if he's coming up for the meeting though.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Three Piece Bumper
> Date: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 10:25 AM
> 
> Henry,
>   I just saw a really nice three piece in the yard yesterday.  It was on
> a 63 wag.  The whole wag was pretty nice, in fact.  I'm in southeastern
> PA if you want I can see what they want for it.  If some one is going up
> your way for the June 1 meeting, would could send it FSJ mail.  Let me
> know,
> 
> Zack Heisey
> '79 J-10
> '79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track
> 
> 68 Wagoneer wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, if you can find any 3-piece bumpers that are straight and
rust-free,
> > pls let me know.
> > 
> > =======================================
> > Henry Padilla
> > '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> > Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> > jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
  

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:45:56 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Low Range and other Q's

Sounds promising, Mike. Front or rear? Price?

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Low Range and other Q's
> Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 8:32 PM
> 
> At 09:24 PM 5/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hey, if you can find any 3-piece bumpers that are straight and
rust-free,
> >pls let me know.
> >
> >=======================================
> >Henry Padilla
> >'68 Jeep Wagoneer
> >Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> >jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
> >
> I've got one.  Do you need the frame brackets too?  It should knock down
&
> ship easy enough if no one closer to you has one.  I'm in S. Illinois.
  

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:12:49 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: gears

3.31

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: gears
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 5:22 PM
> 
> henry..what ratio are they??
> 
> as long as there re from a  d44, they ll fit ALL d44's!!
> 
> 68 Wagoneer wrote:
> > 
> > No, they're both out of D44s, the front is a '76 and the rear is a '72
> > (does the year matter when replacing gears of the same type of axle?).
> > Problem is, I didn't get the front gears back when my friend installed
> > them. I don't know what condition the rears are in but you can have
them
> > for $25 (half of what I'll pay for the replacement 3.73). I don't think
i
> > can give you the carrier though because I think I need it for the new
> > gears.
> > 
> > =======================================
> > Henry Padilla
> 
> -- 
>   Sincerely
> 
>   kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
>   kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
>                                             Super Wagoneer.


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:14:17 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Spring bushing replacement

Another note: you can use the antisieze stuff that's used for bolts. Kinda
messy but it does the trick.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Kevin LaRue <osfoo-at-megalink.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: RE: Spring bushing replacement
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 4:49 PM
> 
> A trick that often makes pressing a new pushing in:  lube the bushing
with
> liquid Ivory prior to installation.
> 
> 
> Be seeing you!
> 
> Kevin LaRue
> Osfoo
> PO Box 62, Peru, Maine  04290
> (207)665-2348
> osfoo-at-megalink.net


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:17:50 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Lead additives.

Hate to be redundant, but same here. I've been using unleaded for 3.5 years
with no discernable unfavorable effects.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Lead additives.
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 2:40 PM
> 
> Guys, when they started phasing the lead out of the regular gas a few
> years back, I was really concerned about what the effect would by for my
> Buick.  A friend of mine who is into muscle cars gave me a couple
> articles that investigated the effects of unleaded on engines without
> hardened valve seats and valve guides.  The basic conclusion was that
> the only situation where you would cause excessive valve seat recession
> and valve guide wear is if the engine is being run at high rpms with a
> heavy load for long durations of time.  For example, towing a 5000#
> trailer up a grade at 75 mph for a couple hours could qualify for this
> case.  Normal everyday driving has no effect.  Since that time I've
> probably put about 35-40k miles on the Buick running unleaded.  Although
> I haven't taken the engine apart yet, I don't think there has been any
> problem.  One thing I've noticed, though, is that the older, higher
> compression engines (the Buick is 9:1) run MUCH cooler and better using
> a minimum of 89 octane even though I never had any detonation problems
> with 87.  I have a feeling the higher octane helps keep excessive
> cylinder temperatures and pressures from damaging the engine and helps
> make up for the lack of lead.
> 
> Tom Anhalt
> 
> Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > 
> > At 07:15 14-05-97 -0700, you wrote:
> >  I run at a minimum 2
> > >bottles of lead substitute for each 5 fillups.  Without the lead
> > >substitute unecessary wear could occur.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Mark
> > 
> > Mark,
> > Just my opinion here but save your money. All the lead ever did was
keep
> > the valve seats lubed. By the time you wear those down the heads will
need
> > going through anyway. Plus the absence of lead has never been proven to
> > cause 'significant' wear over using leaded fuel. The money you save on
lead
> > additives will pay to get your heads done at some 'distant' time. I've
> > never run lead additives in anything even my motorcycles and everything
I
> > own just about is from 1970-73. I never seen any 'extra' wear on
anything.
> > My 71 HD Sportster has 40k miles on it with one top end job since new.
> > (That's real good if you're not familiar with HD's). My 73 360 V8 has
160k
> > on the engine and heads and runs fine blah blah blah.....
> > Also by just throwing lead additives in the fuel tank you're not
getting
> > near the proper lead ratio due to uneven mixing. IMHO you're probably
doing
> > more harm by gumming stuff up with the extra lead not to mention the
> > pollution concerns.
> > Talk with a local engine rebuilder before you buy anymore. Unleaded
fuels
> > have been used long enough now in older cars to dispel the "you're
engine
> > will be ruined on unleaded fuel" scare.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > -jj


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:22:25 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Summit Racing Catalog

I've ordered a few things from them: Inglese stainless radiator line, a
white spoke wheel, Holley carb, adj proportioning valve, line lock. Never
had any probs. No shipping costs, handling fees are reasonable. If
something's on backorder, they'll ship the non-backordered stuff and then
ship the backordered stuff later and charge you the handling fee (I think
it's $3.xx) only once.

I've had good service from them over the last 1.5 years.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: TCOLLINS-at-aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Summit Racing Catalog
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 2:27 PM
> 
> As a point of reference you can order their catalog from their web site
and
> they don't charge for it. Takes about 2-3 weeks to get but as a lot of
great
> stuff.
> Web site is   http://www.summitracing.com
> Tel is 1-800-230-3030
> 
> Never ordered anything from them yet but I probably will in the near
future.
> 
> Tom C, Tampa
>  

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:32:23 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: trip report

Sounds great, Steve! I'd like to ride along sometime this summer!

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: snordby-at-topcat.bridgew.edu
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: trip report
> Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 2:57 PM
> 
> o:     mx%"cwkaiser-at-ix.netcom.com"
> Subj:   Rubicon on southern NH
> Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to quit:
> Hi Bill
>         On SAturday we found a hard trail.  We started out the day up by
> Keene and drove up to the lookout tower. It was gated off.  We then
stopped
> at Gunseth's 4x4 shop.  We asked the owner where the hardest trails were.
> He told us that norhatch was the hardest in the area.  He said that they
> go up there to relive stress.  Mr. Gunsseth asked us if we had done the
last
> section of the lines, we said no.  He told us that they were straght up
and
> down.  Of course we said were there.  We left Keene at noon and proceded
to
> norhatch.  We entered the lilnes and got stuck on the first little hill.
> The mud was real deep.  Scott had to be pulled out and drive around.  I
got
> through the same mud and up the hill because of my super swampers.  Next
was
> the bypass around the first rock ledge.  We got stuck on that and both
> had to winch ourselves up.  I tore a small hole in a valve stem.  When I
got
> up to the top I pinched off the leak and blew up the tire, so I thought.
> We proceded on.  All the hills were negotiated with little trouble and
the
> mud pits also.  We drove down past Old Troy Road and ventured into
unfamiliar
> territory.  Scott went first.  He came up to the first drop off.  He got
out
> and looked and said here I go.  Straight down he went.  He slammed over
big
> rocks, his back tires came off the ground many times.  He got to a slight
level
> point and stopped.  He was shaking because it was so steep.  Then it was
my
> turn.  Scott and Elmer guided me down.  I slid and slammed my way dowm.
> Then Scott proceded down again.  He got down the next section.  I had to
sit
> a while to calm down and blow up the tire again, the valve stem started
leaking
> again.  20 minets passed and I went onward.  I hit a section where both
my
> back tires were feet off the ground and my right front was starting to
come
> off the ground.  Elmer was pulling down on the back to keep me from
rolling
> end over end.  At the same time Scott was going down a ledge and giving
me play
> by play on the radio.  He rolled his jeep over on its side and was all
done.
> I said to Elmer fuck it I am going for it.  I hit the gas and drove off
the
> huge rock and leveled out and came down with a bang, another dent in the
body.
> The tire needed air again.  We filled it up and I had to calm down my
nerves.
> Scott hooked his winch up to a tree to dream about holding his Jeep from
> down the cliff.  Another 20 minets went by and I got down to Scott's
Jeep.
> I put the 9000i to the test.  I pulled him upright and he managed, with
the
> help of starting fluid to get going.  We winched and backed him up to
level
> ground and checked his fluids.  His oil got gassed out.  I gave him my
spare
> filter and six quarts of oil and he changed his ooil.  We realized that
at this
> point is where we needed to take the by pass through the woods.  The 4x4
shop
> told at the end we would need to do this, we thought that he meant the
very
> end and not still on the power lines. We got on flat ground and put our
Jeeps
> in 4x2, then my front driveshaft fell off, because all the screws on the
> transfercase had loosened up.  I guess they didn't like the stress.  We
drove
> out to Keene and couldn't find screws, so with our nerves shot we called
it
> over.  This is the hardest stuff I have ever been on and will probably
ever
> be on in New England. When I was popping in a new stem a local in a
toyota
> with 38.5 Swampers talked to us and said give him a call and he will show
> us all the hard trials in the area.  Next time we go up , in JUne, we
will
> have a guide.  It still sends chills down my spine just thinking about
it.
> later dude
> Steve NOrdby
> 1982 WAgoneer (luck to still be driving it,two new big dents)
> 1982 WAgoneer (luck to still be driving it,two new big dents)
> could you pass this on to Bill Barnes (billtimjen-at-aol.com) Thanks
> Me and Scott will be adding this on for our club run in September for the
> sick 4-wheelers.  The trail leaders will not be driving down it.  Beating
> death once was enough.  I haven't given it a queer name, but wqas
thinking
> about the Rubicon of New England.  I know Paul Ferrari will want to try
and
> drive up it.  More power to him.
>  Exit


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:40:29 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: 360 V8 mpg


> Need to move down south....gas just went to .94 cent a gallon for regular
> unleaded....
> Yippeeeeeeee   I can drive my huggie diaper machine again....BTW 5-7 mpg... :(
> named that due to baby blue paint....
> Billy
> 79,80
> J10

..94?

Houston.........$1.11, (they like to make more money...)

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:46:21 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: TH-400 Shift?

Who has a 400 Hydramatic under their Jeep?

At what speeds does it shift at?

first		it's already in first
second		around 35mph
third		around 50mph
	it used to be
		second		15mph
		third		35mph
						What can it be?     
						(type F transmission fluid)

And how does it shift?       (when mine shifts, it jerks you...)

"Who are we?"
Sc0

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:51:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Sticking my neck out for JCW


>   >check box for refund or swap. All in all if you stay away from the
>   >'Lighted Jester hood ornament' you can do OK.
>
>   Hi Jeff...  I always liked the Bulldog with the lighted eyes,
>   but now that I want one for my Jeep - it seems that they don't
>   carry it anymore.  Maybe a conflict with Mack Inc. ??? :>
>

Or how about the jackass sitting on his haunches.  Oughta make someone swell
up with pride to have a chrome donkey on the front of the jeep :)

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 18:52:21 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Keeping exhaust from coming in the windows

henry, is ur wag that is sucking the fumes??
if so, where does the exhaust exit, at the rear or at the side??

68 Wagoneer wrote:
> 
> The '72 parts Wag I just bought has one. It's in good shape except for the
> shelf paper (needs replacing). Not sure if I'll install it on Ole Bessy.
> 
> =======================================
> Henry Padilla
> '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
> 
> ----------
> > From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> > Subject: Keeping exhaust from coming in the windows
> > Date: Saturday, May 10, 1997 12:08 AM
> >
> >    I'm assuming you're talking about the exhaust being sucked in the back
> > window while you're driving?  If so, they used to make (still may for all
> I
> > know) an air deflector that mounts to the top back of the roof that
> breaks
> > the vaccuum(sp?) created by our big boxes.  I pulled one in the junk yard
> and
> > will hopefully be installing it before our trip in a couple days.  If I
> do,
> > I'll let you know how it works.
> 

-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:01:22 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Henry w/ 62-72 FSJ

Henry,
  Yes, all J-series models that were produced 62-72.
Z.

68 Wagoneer wrote:
> 
> Yeah, will that cover a Wag as well as a J-truck?
> 
> =======================================
> Henry Padilla
> '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
> 
> ----------
> > From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> > Subject: Re: Anyone w/ 62-72 FSJ
> > Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 7:04 AM
> >
> >    Hello Zack...  I have a 1970 Wagoneer 1414C.  If this model is
> > included in what you have - I'm interested...
> >
> > On 1997-05-14 moosh-at-redrose.net said:
> >
> >    >As some of you already know, I have stumbled across an original copy
> >    >of a 62-72 J-series Jeep Parts Manual.  Like the other parts manual,
> >    >I am going to get it reprinted for the list if there is sufficient
> >    >interest.  I already have three people interested, and I would like
> >    >to find out if there are any more.  A ballpark price for this will
> >    >probably be around $50 give or take.  This book isn't quite as
> >    >thick as the 74-80 'cuz it dosen't have any CJ crap.  If you are
> >    >interested, you don't have to commit to anything, I would just like
> >    >to know a general number.  If we can get around 10 people, the
> >    >price would be cheaper.  Let me know. Later,
> >
> > All the Best,
> >                 Bruce * kb6lwn * ck1-at-pacbell.net * 707-987-4737
> >
> > .. 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone"
> >
> > Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive
> 
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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:57:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Front spring bushings.

At 08:49 AM 5/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Gord, I did mine by myself. First I tried using a big vise and socket to
>press the bushings out in one piece. It's pretty dangerous because if the
>socket isn't lined up just right it can shoot out ant hit someone or
>something. My guess is that a C clamp won't be strong enough. mine were in
>there pretty tightly.
>
>I drilled holes in the rubber part to loosen it up, then took out the
>rubber and inner lining. That left the outer lining, press-fit into the
>shackle. I then used a hacksaw w/ a sharp blade to cut a groove in the
>inner lining. Then I used a hammer and chisel/air chisel to push the inner
>lining out.
>
>Took a little while but it saved the cost of having a shop do it.
>
At-a-boy!  I've done the same thing.  Thought I was the only one tight
enough to trade time for saving money:)

Mike Saltsgaver 


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:06:05 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Re: Three Piece Bumper

Henry,
  Its a rear bumper.  I'll find out how much they want for it.  Brad and
I live about 45 minutes away from each other.  I don't think he's coming
to the meeting, he's getting hitch-o-mo-fied don't you know.  Later,

Zack

68 Wagoneer wrote:
> 
> Great find, Zack. Is it the front or rear bumper? My front's passable but
> the rear bumper got mangled when I lost my brakes on the trail last year.
> Yes, nxt time you're at the yard pls see how much they want. Is Brad near
> you? I'm not sure if he's coming up for the meeting though.
> 
> =======================================
> Henry Padilla
> '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:15:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Admiral's Warning & 360 question

At 12:13 PM 5/14/97 EST, you wrote:
>
>I have been told that the AMC 360 is really a Ford truck engine.  Is 
>that really true?  

This'll bring a hail storm of come backs:)  Actually I think the AMC V8 in
it's current form came out in '65 didn't it?  Or am I thinking of the inline
6 (one or both were new in '65)  
I get the same kinds of questions about "289" engines used by Studebaker.
Everyone assumes that it's a ford engine, even thou Studie' used that
displacement 9 years before ford thought about it.

Mike Saltsgaver  


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 19:17:56 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: gears

well if doc dont want em, give me a ring!!
as long as they r both d44 rp's!!


68 Wagoneer wrote:
> 
> 3.31
> 
> =======================================
-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:27:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Lead additives.

At 09:33 AM 5/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>At 07:15 14-05-97 -0700, you wrote:
> I run at a minimum 2 
>>bottles of lead substitute for each 5 fillups.  Without the lead
>>substitute unecessary wear could occur. 
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Mark
>
>Mark, 
>Just my opinion here but save your money. All the lead ever did was keep
>the valve seats lubed. By the time you wear those down the heads will need
>going through anyway. Plus the absence of lead has never been proven to
>cause 'significant' wear over using leaded fuel. The money you save on lead
>additives will pay to get your heads done at some 'distant' time. I've
>never run lead additives in anything even my motorcycles and everything I
>own just about is from 1970-73. I never seen any 'extra' wear on anything.
>My 71 HD Sportster has 40k miles on it with one top end job since new.
>(That's real good if you're not familiar with HD's). My 73 360 V8 has 160k
>on the engine and heads and runs fine blah blah blah.....
>Also by just throwing lead additives in the fuel tank you're not getting
>near the proper lead ratio due to uneven mixing. IMHO you're probably doing
>more harm by gumming stuff up with the extra lead not to mention the
>pollution concerns.
>Talk with a local engine rebuilder before you buy anymore. Unleaded fuels
>have been used long enough now in older cars to dispel the "you're engine
>will be ruined on unleaded fuel" scare.
>
>Regards,
>-jj

I agree.  My studebakers run fine on unleaded.  More than worrying about
lead, pay more attention to the quality of gas.  I won't buy alcohol gas if
at all possible.  The greater the alcohol content, the more it affects the
rubber parts in your fuel system.  Mechanical fuel pumps have small rubber
discs which act as "reed valves".  Alcohol makes the discs swell up.  The
can eventually swell closed & won't pump fuel.
The problem we've found (Airtex makes fuel pumps too) is that a lot of fuel
distributors don't control the alcohol content very closely.  The law says
10%, but the tolerance is pretty wide.

Mike Saltsgaver.

  


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:56:24 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: jeep-in


	Great idea, let's have one before my new tranny and transfer case get here
from Toledo!

>
>Although I've never been to one, I'd think a "jeep-in" would score points
>for the most boulder induced dents or xfer case shrapnel :)

	That way I'd be guaranteed to win...  <grin>.


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:00:30 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: John vs. IE


	John, John, John...  <shaking head>.  Mr. HTML himself...  sheesh...

>
>Hey, Joe, you must be one of those folks using IE...  I just tried to 
>do something with IE and my pulldowns don't work... and I just 
>remembered that IE has a problem with Javascript, go figure... :-)
>I should have done a "go to" button... rats...  over 100 pages to 
>fix, again... or just email a free copy of Netscape to anyone silly 
>enough to actually only have IE...  (just kidding, just kidding...  
>put those matches away...  just kidding... )

	

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:00:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: lift kit

At 08:28 PM 5/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Mike, I went to a spring shop (actually it's named "The Spring Shop"!) to
>have Ole Bessy's new u-bolts made. Cost about $7 each. I intentionally
>asked for longer ones since I was going to add a leaf or two. Used a
>cut-off tool to cut off the excess. Only thing I'd caution about is if you
>get a longer u-bolt make sure the threaded portion is long enough and
>doesn't allow the nut to run out of thread before the correct torque is
>acheived. Also, since the custom u-bolts are usu not cad-plated you might
>want to paint them prior to installation to ward off rust.
>

Gotcha covered.  The bolts stick out of the nuts approx. 1&1/4" after
installation. I would have preferred if they were only 3/8" protrusion.  I
used my 4&1/2" hand grinder to cut them off (bench grinder to "round" them
over & had pre-installed the nut so I could chase the threads when backing
it off).  Also shlocked a lot of black paint on everything (even cleaned &
painted the portion of the spring where everything contacts) prior to
putting it together.

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:09:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Low Range and other Q's

At 08:45 PM 5/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Sounds promising, Mike. Front or rear? Price?
>

Henry, it's the front bumper.  Originally on a '76 J10 that died of cancer.
How's $20 sound?

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:14:27 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: Sticking my neck out for JCW



>>..........
>>So:  That's three tomorrows that never came, 18 weeks duration, one return
>>postage, five phone calls that I paid for (no 800#), one phone call that my
>>credit card company paid for, my time on six phone calls, my credit card
>>company's time on one phone call + their time dealing with JC Whitney.

WOW!
 If that had happened to me I would feel considerably different.  I
guess I have been lucky. Everything I have ordered came in on time, no
problems.  One note that the postman at the office hates me now because
they ship through normal U.S. mail unless you pay for UPS. So far the
mailman has had to deliver a 3" catalytic converter, rear sway bar and a
Monza resonator to my office. He hates me!

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas
>
>

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 23:06:35 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: amc 390 a ford?


	Absolutely, positively NOT!!!  The AMC 390 is the same family as all the
rest of their "modern" V-8s, the 304, 327, 360, 290, and 401.  The Ford 390
is an FE block engine, came out as 332 c.i. in the mid 50's, was made in
many, many, many displacements, all the way up to 462 c.i.

	The Ford FE is a heavy skirted, old engine design, that never used
individual rocker arms.  The FE is also the proud possessor of the
strangest intake manifold design in history...  the pushrod tubes go
through the intake manifold, which overlaps the heads, under the valve
covers.  So as an example to do an intake swap on a Ford FE block you have
to pull the valve covers, the rocker arms, the front cover, etc, etc, etc...

	The oil pump on AMC v-8s is, as we know, on the front cover.  On the big
Fords it's in the oil pan, where it belongs.

	The Ford FE also has the distinction of being the only engine I've ever
seen where a water pump can be replaced with nothing more than a crescent
wrench.

	The Ford FE is still to this day in production, in Ford's medium truck
line, presently it's 332 cubic inches.  The casting number on the block
used to this day is for a 1967 352 inch motor.

	Displacements, if I can remember them all, were 332, 352, 360, 361, 390,
391, 406, 410, 427, 428, 430, and 462 in various car and light truck lines.

	Jeff, the 429 and 460s were NOT FE blocks...  they were "385" series
motors, based upon, and QUITE similar to, albeit larger, the "335" series
"Cleveland" motors (351C, 351M, 400).

	The largest motor Ford ever used in a car, as far as I know, was the 462,
it was used in Lincolns for about two years I believe.  It's basically a
..030 bored-over 427 with a 428 crank in it.  You can take a 390 and open it
up that far, but not the smaller blocks.

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:19:10 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: U-Joint help

Need some more help. I was going to put in new U-joints tonight, but
when I go to remove the old ones I find that the bolts holding them to
the yoke are weird.  They look like a reverse torx bolt. Not a star
shaped hole, but a star shaped head. Nothing in my tool chest would fit.
A 6-point 1/4 socket is too big and a 7/32 is too small.  Anybody know
what these things are called so I can buy a wrench/socket to fit?

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:22:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: TH-400 Shift?

Jeep used a governor which is weighted to get you into hi gear as soon as
possible (in an attempt to improve the dismal mpg) on the TH400.  If the
plastic gear on the governor is worn, or debris won't allow it to move
completely, it can affect the shift points.   
It's possible a sticky modulator valve can do it too, but not likely.  I
assume you mean the jerk on the shift is more than a good firm shift.

Mike Saltsgaver.

At 08:46 PM 5/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Who has a 400 Hydramatic under their Jeep?
>
>At what speeds does it shift at?
>
>first		it's already in first
>second		around 35mph
>third		around 50mph
>	it used to be
>		second		15mph
>		third		35mph
>						What can it be?     
>						(type F transmission fluid)
>
>And how does it shift?       (when mine shifts, it jerks you...)
>
>"Who are we?"
>Sc0


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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 23:23:30 -0400
From: RonG <rgeer-at-geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Keeping exhaust from coming in the windows

Chrisharon-at-aol.com wrote:

> I'm assuming you're talking about the exhaust being sucked in the back
> window while you're driving? 

I had a problem with exhaust fumes with my home-made tailpipe.  I
fabricated one from 3" tubing, thinking that it would improve economy. 
It rusted out eventually, and I put on a stock one.  This one was
smaller diameter, and pointed down some.  The exhaust fumes in the
passenger compartment were MUCH less noticeable!  I think the smaller
diameter created faster flow (effectively shooting the exhaust farther),
that combined with the fact that it was forced down, allows less exhaust
to get sucked into the vacuum bubble behind the vehicle.

I have one of those "wings" too, haven't put on yet, and always wondered
if it would help.

RonG

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:28:07 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: 3" exhaust


>
>>Mark Wallace has duals on his Wag. That's primarily because he used
>>glasspacks.
>
>
>> I have not measured my current pipes, but I was planning on starting with
>> the wye pipe and replacing it with a 2x2x3 and running 3" through the
>> cat and splitting it before the mufflers for dual exhaust out the rear.

I was going to do the same, but there is little room for 2 mufflers
after the cat.  Then I did a little calculating and a 3" pipe has more
flow than 2  2 1/4 . (area of a 3" circle versus 2 x 2 1/4). Anyway the
3" cat,muffler and tailpipe work great. Looks cool too, my brother calls
it a 'drainpipe'.

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas
>

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 22:34:18 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: TH-400 Shift?

Don't know about the turbo 400, but the 727 uses a rod attached to the
throttle to determine shift points. There is a sliding adjustment
connecting the rod to the carb. Loosen the bolt and slide the rod back
toward firewall to lower the shift points, forward to raise them. 

Jeff Herbst

>
>Who has a 400 Hydramatic under their Jeep?
>
>At what speeds does it shift at?
>
>first		it's already in first
>second		around 35mph
>third		around 50mph
>	it used to be
>		second		15mph
>		third		35mph
>						What can it be?     
>						(type F transmission fluid)
>
>And how does it shift?       (when mine shifts, it jerks you...)
>
>"Who are we?"
>Sc0
>
>
>
>

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:53:58 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: J.C. Whitney

> >I refuse to have anything to do with JC Whitney.  
> 
> >no way does JC Whit get any of my $$
> 
> 
> OK, so what do you guys have against JCWhitney? So far I have been
> satisfied with everything I have bought from them.  Several of the
> items I bought can be found proudly displayed at the local hot-rod
> shop. Every shipment has come with a preprinted RMA form and a check
> box for refund or swap. All in all if you stay away from the
> 'Lighted Jester hood ornament' you can do OK.
> 
>  Jeff Herbst
>  1982 Wagoneer LTD
>  Texas

I started dealing with J.C. Whitney/J.C. Warshawsky back in 1971 or 
1972... Other when the time they went bankrupt in about 1979 or so 
and their refund check bounced for the auxillary fuel tank they 
didn't send me for my Ford Van when I was over in Germany... (they 
made it good in merchandise in 1982 though...)   I haven't had any 
problems.  

My Hidden Hitch, Class III 2" receiver for $89 for Old Blue is 
sitting in the garage, waiting to be installed...   My 3" lift for 
"fang" should be here in a week or two...  Rough Country I believe...

Other than no toll free number and the shipping and handling charges 
I've got no gripes...   I ordered the insulating wrap for my turbo 
from them for about 60 or 70 bucks... the parts store cost was around 
$100...  (not price, their cost...  retail was closer to $120, SAME 
product).

Sure, stay away from the "too good to be true" accessories and 
trinkets and you'll do fine.  They're good about returns too...

ttyl,
john meister

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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 20:58:59 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: farming gear swaps...

> Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 08:53:59 -0500
> From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
> Subject: Re: Gear swap Q's
> 
> I considered doing it myself but due to lack of time I've farmed it
> out.
> 
> =======================================
> Henry Padilla
> '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

Henry....

I'm interested to find out the cost...  next major project for old 
blue (hopefully before the torque converter forces my swap hand...) 
is to go to 3.73 gears...

I've got a mechanic that will probably charge me about $250 or so 
(guessing) for both ends... he's a good guy...

ttyl,
john
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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 21:03:16 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Matt getting the shaft... MasterDan & Tom, question...

> Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 10:55:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
> Subject: AXLE questions
> 
> Ok, I am still looking for my axle shaft ( model 20, widetrack,
> passenger side) Btu I have an important question:
> 
> WILL A J-TRUCK axle shaft interchange?
> dealorship only has 2 part numbers ( wagoneer, jtruck/cherokee)
>> but computerized salvage yards tell me the see 2 different part
> numbers...
>> ANY BODY HAVE IDEAS!!!>> THANKS!
>
Matt, (I hope that's your name... my memory went long before my hair 
did...:-)

Anyway, did you give Performance Jeep a call and ask, drat I forgot 
his name...  Tom, who was it you talked to?  Mike or Dave????   
Anyway, 1-800-Pro-Jeep...   

BTW, Tom, did your stuff arrive ok???

(MasterDan, got the info you sent, will talk to one of my DBA's to 
see if he's interested...)

ttyl,
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Date:  Wed, 14 May 1997 23:55:47 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Three Piece Bumper

Thanks, Zack. The rear is what I need the most.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Three Piece Bumper
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 9:06 PM
> 
> Henry,
>   Its a rear bumper.  I'll find out how much they want for it.  Brad and
> I live about 45 minutes away from each other.  I don't think he's coming
> to the meeting, he's getting hitch-o-mo-fied don't you know.  Later,
> 
> Zack
> 
> 68 Wagoneer wrote:
> > 
> > Great find, Zack. Is it the front or rear bumper? My front's passable
but
> > the rear bumper got mangled when I lost my brakes on the trail last
year.
> > Yes, nxt time you're at the yard pls see how much they want. Is Brad
near
> > you? I'm not sure if he's coming up for the meeting though.
> > 
> > =======================================
> > Henry Padilla
> > '68 Jeep Wagoneer
> > Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
> > jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com
> 
> 
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