FSJ-List-Digest-331

Thursday, May 22, 1997 10:11:25 PM

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:30:34 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 4:1 for NP208

billy dunn wrote:
> 
> Anybody have a 727 that they wish to get rid of?????Oh cmon I know there are
> a few out there...I want to put it with my 208 that I ordered 4.0.1 gears
> for.....My 400 wont work
> Hello?????
> Billy
> 79 J10

Where can you get these and how much were they?  Inquiring minds want to
know!!!

Tom Anhalt
'81 Cherokee Laredo

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:34:45 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s

68 Wagoneer wrote:
> 
> Tom, I'm not sure if that kind of stall speed would really help one of our
> motors. A high stall spd of 4,000 rpm? Consider that the big-block
> single-plenum crowd needs that kind of rpm to generate a decent amount of
> hp. But many torque motors run out of breath before they even get anywhere
> near 4,000. For instance, the Buick 350 makes its most torque at 2,400 for
> the 2-barrel; prob a little higher for the 4-barrel. The torque
> multiplication you suggest at 4,000 rpm would probably not yield as much as
> at "normal" torque multiplication with a low stall speed. Mike, is there a
> computer simulation that could help us out here?
> 

That was only one of the converters they have.  There's another one
that's a 13 incher that has an 1100 rpm low and a 3000 rpm high.  Is
that more your liking?

By the way, the conversion kits sell for $249 ($199) if you buy a
converter.  The converters are $295.  The Switch-Pitch TH400 are $595.

Tom Anhalt

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:36:05 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH40

Michael Baxter wrote:
> 
> Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net> writes:
> 
>  >> but you're probably still asking what this all has to do with FSJs...
>  <<
> 
>  Well, I can tell you but, SuperKen was already here. I can say I've ridden in
> the Super and the switch pitch is waaaaaaay cool. Phhhhhhhhhhhh!
> 
>  I believe the 2 speed auto in the Buick is most assuredly a Powerglide with a
> fancy name. The GM Powerglide is still a very popular tranny in drag racing
> circles.
> 
>

I don't think it's exactly the same (see post about clutch packs) but
I'm sure they're very similar.  I don't think the powerglide ever had a
"switch-pitch" feature.

Tom Anhalt

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 16:38:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: TF727's


On Wed, 21 May 1997 20:45:10 -0700 billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net> wrote:

> Anybody have a 727 that they wish to get rid of?????Oh cmon I know there are
> a few out there...I want to put it with my 208 that I ordered 4.0.1 gears
> for.....My 400 wont work
> Hello?????

Billy,
I may have a 2wd 727 in about a month or so. If you are interested...
As I understand it, it is just a matter of a rebuild to get the right 
output shaft put in.



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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:37:59 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: the story...

john meister wrote:
> 
> > anything yet so I really can't give you any insight in that area.
> > Offroad, the engine is great!  Have John M. tell you the story about
> > me climbing this steep hill with the parking brake accidentally on.
> > Didn't even notice it until I went to coast over the top of the hill
> > and came to a stop!
> 
> Yeah, Tom climbed this steep hill with the parking brake on.  Noticed
> it when he stopped to let me back in after letting me walk up the
> hill in the sun... :-)    (actually I was chasing those two
> characters with my camera getting shots of Dan's freshly lifted GW
> and Tom's widetrac...)   Dan was having an absolute blast...
> 
>

Do you realize that the first hill, the one you ran up after us, is
actually steeper than the hill you took the pictures on?  I realized
that when I went back there recently with a friend.

Tom Anhalt

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:39:43 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s

Chrisharon-at-aol.com wrote:
> 
>    All you need for an auto/lo/hi stall is one switch.  You hook the common
> wire of the switch up to the tranny, then use one leg to the existing
> automatic switches, and hook the other leg up to a switched power source.
>  You use a 3 position switch and you wind up with something like:
>    HI
>    LO
>    AUTO
> No problem, works great, I did mine this way in my '64 Skylark with a
> retrofitted TH-400 Switch Pitch. :)
> 
>

I KNEW there was a way to do it with one switch.  I might try it on my
Special.  By the way, do you happen to know the factory switch pitch
stall speeds?

Tom Anhalt

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:41:34 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: unbiased opinion?

Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote:
> 
>         Sir, please don't take this wrong, but methinks you're on the wrong
> list...  this list is ALL ABOUT FULL-SIZE JEEPS!  Which does NOT include
> any of your mentioned vehicles.
> 

Get a grip, Doc.  The guy was asking about whether or not he should buy
a J-truck.  Are you trying to say that TIMEX isn't an FSJ?.....I didn't
think so.

Tom Anhalt
>

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:43:10 -0700
From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FSJ-List-Digest - Number 326

David Klingenberg wrote:
>         How much Tom and who do we order on from?  Finaly do you think one
> would bolt up to a TH350?
> 
>

See previous post.  I don't think you can use them on 350s.  I think you
need a 400 that either had it originally or had been converted.

Tom Anhalt

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:54:37 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 700-R4 in Cherokee & Lockup TH-400's (???)

its called the 4l80e.  it is a lockup 4spd
trany with the same ratios as r 3spd th400 but w/ an OD 4th.
it does have a lock up feature, but the trany is TOTALLY
electronic!!

Chrisharon-at-aol.com wrote:
> 
>    If you're doing rock crawling, a 700-R4 won't hold up to the heat
> produced.  Other than that, it should do just fine.  After all, they use them
> in Suburbans.
>    I've never even heard of a lockup TH-400.  I'd definately be interrested
> in it if anybody has info on this.  I know they make dual-stall speed
> TH-400's (I have one).
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
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> 
> 

-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:56:34 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Brake Upgrades - need help

i take it then u dont have the fac ser manual??

68 Wagoneer wrote:
> 
> Glad to see that passed the test, Zack. That's the main reason I wanted to
> swap the brakes in Ole Bessy.
> 
> BTW, does anyone have the schematic/instructions on how the rear brakes on
> the early Dana 44s are set up? I would like verification on the way I need
> to set up the star adjusters, e-brake hardware, etc. If possible, a .jpg or
> .gif of the rear brakes would be helpful.
> 
> =======================================
-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:58:51 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Henry P.

henry do u have a pair of 331 rp's from a d44, or
just one set for d44 and the other for the d27??

68 Wagoneer wrote:
> 
> I was getting 11 mpg with my rebuilt Buick 350 and 3.31 gears. I hate to
> think of the mileage with my new 3.73s but I'll know in about a week!
> 
> =======================================
-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 16:05:38 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: -brad!

well i was a hoping that we could get some pics of the Super
on the rubicon, but ken n i spent too much
time working on other jeeps??!!  :(

bks-at-co.intel.com wrote:
> Maybe for next years TTC SuperKen should submit a battery of photos of his
> super to us before hand, and we can help him chose the ones we like best.
> Getting in the TTC is more marketing than anything else.
> 
> -brad
> 
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> 

-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 16:08:17 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Dave K.

DAVE    HOW THE HELL R U??????????????????????????

LONG TIME BUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David Klingenberg wrote:
> 
>         John M. I took a look at the photos of the small get togather you
> had in April, have you thought about having another one in Aug or early
> september?
> 
> David Klingenberg
> kling914-at-uidaho.edu
> http://www.uidaho.edu/~kling914
> 

-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 16:12:13 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Frank

yes it is!!

Frank wrote:
> 
> I also though the input shaft in the switch-pitch 400 was different than
> the standard 400?
> 
> Frank
> Norway
-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 18:18:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Brooke Stevens....


>Mike,   is Brooke Stevens still alive?   If so we should find him and 
>interview and photograph him...    He's our main man!
>
>He's not famous enough to show up in World Almanac's...   
>
>than me...  and I'm getting close to as old as dirt...   (I'm still 
>younger than indy joe though... but not by much I don't think...)
>
>Anyway, I digress, is he still with us?

Unfortunately, he past away late last year.  The last time I saw him was at
our Studebaker convention in Minniapolis 2 years ago.   He was a guest
speaker. They had one of the prototypes of the next generation Studebaker on
display also.  Great looking car!
He did have a museum on the north side of Milwalkie which I got to see
several years ago.  There were samples of Nashes & Studebakers he'd worked
on as well as a bunch of other industrial designs (snowmobiles, etc.).

Mike Saltsgaver


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 16:15:28 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 4:1 for NP208

y cant u use a th400 with a 208??

Tom Anhalt wrote:
> 
> billy dunn wrote:
> >
> > Anybody have a 727 that they wish to get rid of?????Oh cmon I know there are
> > a few out there...I want to put it with my 208 that I ordered 4.0.1 gears
> > for.....My 400 wont work
> > Hello?????
> > Billy
> > 79 J10
> 

-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 15:54:30 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olypen.com>
Subject: Re: Engine transplant

At 17:06 22-05-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok. OK.
>
>What would it take to mount a 400 Pontiac Ram air into a '72 J4000?

Just $$$$$$'s

>Or maybe a 400 Chevy.  (any other good engines that are around the 360-400
>mark?)

350 chebby... don't fight it, they work.

>
>These engines have lots of parts available compared to the AMC 360.
>(This is for future reference, and I might not be able to transplant a new
>engine in for awhile...)
>
>
IMHO you can't find a cheaper, easier to get parts for, easier/cheaper to
build mild to wild V8 than the 350. It's almost the "generic' brand for v8
swaps into 4x4's.

You can put any engine into anything with enough $$$$. Just because the
chebby is cheap-n-easy doesn't mean it's not an excellent choice.

Personally I want a diesel for my j-truck. 
Ha! wake up John, I said the 'D' word :)

>"Who are we?"
>Sc0


Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 18:20:14 -0500
From: "Laurence Galle" <leg-at-datasync.com>
Subject: Dana axles

I am about to change the oil in the differentials on my 89 GW.  It looks as
if both the front and rear were sealed with RTV the last time someone had
them open.  Is RTV OK?  Should there be a gasket there instead?

Thanks,
Laurence

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 18:32:37 -0500
From: "Laurence Galle" <leg-at-datasync.com>
Subject: Can't get out of 4WD

I have an 89 GW that I recently took the transfer case out of  (NP Model
229 Selec-Trac).  It was rebuilt in Feb 97 and leaked too much for my
tastes.  I took it out with a friend (I'm not a mechanical genius, but it's
his career-field) then brought it back to have the leak between the case
halves repaired.  I watched as the old RTV was completely cleaned away and
new was applied.  None the case's working parts were touched other than to
remove the rear case from the front to get to the affected area.

Two nights ago we installed the case.  HOORAY!  No leaks!  But let's not
get excited yet.  The case won't stay in 4WD.   :(  

After about 5 minutes the 4WD light begins to "fade" back on, but you never
hear that convicing sound of the vaccum shifting in the switch under the
dash.  If I flip the switch to 4WD, the light stays on, but I hear that
famous little vaccum sound.  And it'll stay on forever if I want.  If I
flip it back to 2WD, the sound happens and the light goes off.  But the
light begins to come on again in 5 minutes or so.

I don't know if I damaged my vaccum lines or the shift motor (or maybe
both)  I've checked the lines to make sure they were installed exactly as
before, and I've cleaned the ends off really good just in case it was
leaking around the connections.

Is there any simple way to check the shift motor?

Since it is a "full-time" 4WD while in the High range, I've been driving
around with no problems.  But I would like to fix this darned thing if I
can.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Laurence Galle

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 16:19:15 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Tom A.

true
> I don't think it's exactly the same (see post about clutch packs) but
> I'm sure they're very similar.  I don't think the powerglide ever had a
> "switch-pitch" feature.
> 
> Tom Anhalt
> 
-- 
  Sincerely

  kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
  kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
                                            Super Wagoneer.

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 18:24:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: nasty part non-fsj delete


>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>9mm          124     JHP    1180        384      1089       327
>
>I have one of these, S&W model 59
>
>>
>>357 Mag*     125     JHP    1450        583      1240       376
>
>I have one of these S&W model 66 stainless
>>
>>44 Mag       240     JHP    1350        971      1188       753
>
>I have tow of these, S&W model 29, 6" & 8 3/8" blue and stainless
>
>I LOVE those 44's!!!!  I aint talking about tires either
>
UH-OH!!  Looks like I fallen in with a bunch of militia men:)  Indianapolis
isn't about to sessede from the union is it??  I the camo paint ready to go
on the Chero??
Somewhere in the garage I've got an old 22 from when I was a kid,  Haven't
shot it in years (but I do have a brother who has an entire assenal):)

Just Kidding,

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 18:27:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH40

At 03:02 PM 5/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Joe wrote:
>
>> Yeah, plus it's one of the few automatics toy
>> can push start an engine with. of course GM
>> built it!
>> 
>> Joe-
>
>I'm no expert, but I thought only the old (50's?) version of the powerglide
>with the cast-iron case could be push started?  I thought the aluminum
>version did'nt have a second pump in the ouput?  In fact I have tried to
>push-start a late 60 powerglide before, and never got it to turn the
>engine over.
>
>Am I mistaken?
>
>-brad
>
They removed the rear pump in '67.  All '66 & prior (even the iron one)
could be push started.

A memory from my chevy daze,
Mike Saltsgaver


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 19:33:41 -0400
From: Rick Miale <miale-at-miale.org>
Subject: Last questions ;-)

Have the test drive in the AM, then, if things workout ok, I'll be off for
a road trip of sorts. (Anything to get away from doing another "Computer
Sale and Expo").

1) What kind of mods could I do to the 258 to tweak some performance out of
it?

2) I *really* want a sunroof. ANy problems with aftermarket sunroofs? 

3) The rear seat easy to remove? (Gotta have room for all my toys when I go
to the beach).

Guess that's it....

Hope that everyone has a nice weekend....
Rick Miale
Sales Manager
UpTime Computer Services, Inc.
2 Westwood Place
Asheville, North Carolina 28806-4225
704.252.4777
rick-at-uptime-csi.com or rick-at-miale.org

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 20:15:16 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Brooke Stevens....

Maybe we can get an "FSJ Heritage" page up or something. With pics of the
"Wagonair" and other possible ancestors. Like an FSJ family tree!

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: john meister <john-at->
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Brooke Stevens....
> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 5:47 PM
> 
> > Actually, Brooke Stevens DID design both the fsj's and Studebakers. 
> > The GT Hawks & '62 & later Larks were Brooke's work.  If you compare
> > the looks of a '63 lark wagon (the sliding roof version was called
> > "wagonair") and the '63 wagoneer the similarities are amazing.
> > 
> > Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 20:17:49 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: oops, sorry

>>  	Sir, please don't take this wrong, but methinks you're on the wrong
>>  list...  this list is ALL ABOUT FULL-SIZE JEEPS!  Which does NOT include
>>  any of your mentioned vehicles.
>>  
>Golly GEE doc...
>
>Dont take this the wrong way, but buddy, I think you need a break from work!
>go get some rest!
>
>who are you? what have you done with the DOC we know?!?!?!

	I'm an alien sent here to infiltrate the listservs....

	Stress, man....  sorry...  now, do you have any idea how many requests I
get from the web site about JGC info?  sheesh....

	But think about it....  read his message!  He says he DOESN'T LIKE FULL
SIZE JEEPS!!!  <grin>

	I hope Timex gets me to work tonight...

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 20:24:25 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Couple Days off Henry?

Good luck, Zack. I know what you mean about the honey-do's. I came home
from ALB and there was a long list of things like, "put up screens" and
"hang bird house". Anyway, I figure those tasks are a small price to pay
given that I just paid for the rebuilt rear axle and haven't yet told Jen
about the new rear driveshaft that may be showing up next week!

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Couple Days off Henry?
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 2:34 AM
> 
> Henry,
>   I have off until May 31 also.  Of corse I have a list of honeydo's,
> but hey, off is off.  I have to start the summer job on June 1, which is
> why I can't make the trip north  to the NE meeting.  There's an All
> Brands Jeep Show on May 31, so I'll be at that instead.  Both my FSJ's
> will be entered in the Judging.  The truck was the only one last year.(I
> didn't have the on the road chero then).  This is the second year.  BFG
> is one of the sponsor's, and since both my rides sport BFG's, I'm hoping
> for a best ride on BFG trophy.  Maybe, we'll see.  Take it easy,
> 
> Zack Heisey
> '79 J-10
> '79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 20:30:39 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: 4x4 4U

Ooops! Yeah, I checked it out last night.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello <fariello-at-inspace.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: 4x4 4U
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 8:16 AM
> 
> 	it's a "video magazine" show on cable, and they have a cool web site...
> it's linked off the IFSJA site, one of the first links that were put up!
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 20:44:38 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: wish me luck...DOC!

Ok, Good Luck!

As for me, I spent a quarter of the day at Smiths checking out the rear
axle and accumulating brake parts. Another quarter of the day working (like
work that I had left over from my ALB trip). A quarter of the day sifting
sand and almost completely sandblasting one backing plate. And a quarter of
the day playing with the kids. Not a hyperproductive day but fun
nonetheless.

The rear axle cost $305 (parts+labor) for the installation of bearings,
seals, and used 3.73 ring & pinion. Brought it home today and will start
painting it tonight. Going back to Smiths tomorrow to pick up the new rear
brake drums and wheel cylinders. Also going to Super Spring to get the new
u-bolts made and to get the plastic spring pads and center bolts. Going to
put the brakes together this weekwnd and hope to install the axle Monday!

Doc (or anyone), do you still need the 3.31s for the Dana 44?

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello <fariello-at-inspace.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: wish me luck...
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 8:58 AM
> 
> 
> 	Ok, I'm awake, well rested, full of coffee, and ready to dive in... 
gotta
> finish Timex TODAY!  First I have to get that damn starter working, then
> get the carb dialed in, and that oughtta do it (famous last words,
eh?)...
> 
> 	So wish me luck, guys, next time y'all hear from me I'll either be
> cheering or cussing...
> 
> 
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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 20:56:35 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Upgrades - need help

Thanks, Tim. The ones that I'm replacing ('72 offset D44) have the star
adjusters and a wierd long arm thing that has a spring at one end that
contacts the adjuster. This should be the automatic adjuster.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Tim Johnson <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Brake Upgrades - need help
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 8:23 AM
> 
> off-set 44  from an early jeep than has eccentric adj. nuts.( no star
adj.)
> If this is what you are looking for, let me know I can send you scan some
> pics over..
> 
> Tim
> scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net
> 79 wagon / 63 scout


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 21:04:35 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Spruce  Up (long-winded) and NON-FSJ!

Yeah, thankfully I quit watching TV, shaved my eyebrows, and bought a pair
of Craftsman 4 ton jackstands! Actually that was about 11 years ago when I
was "just" 21!

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Spruce  Up (long-winded) and NON-FSJ!
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 5:31 PM
> 
> At 11:35 PM 5/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >When I was in 6th grade I sharpened my pencil and then boasted to my
> >friend, who had been waiting in line for the sharpener after me, that my
> >pencil was sharper than hers. She said, "Oh, yeah?" and stabbed my wrist
> >with her newly-VERY-sharpened pencil and the "lead (carbon) broke off. I
> >still have a dark dot under my skin from that!
> >
> >Other than that, I had a VW roll of the logs that it was sitting on (I
> >know, that was stupid!) and a jagged piece of metal cut my arm. That was
> >
> BTW, just how thick are your eyebrows?  Do you actually understand Tim
> Allen's grunts??:)
> 
> Mike Saltsgaver 


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 21:08:17 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s

Cool! I can deal with 3,000!

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Stall speeds..."Switch Pitch" TCs...TH400s
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 5:34 PM
> 
> That was only one of the converters they have.  There's another one
> that's a 13 incher that has an 1100 rpm low and a 3000 rpm high.  Is
> that more your liking?
> 
> By the way, the conversion kits sell for $249 ($199) if you buy a
> converter.  The converters are $295.  The Switch-Pitch TH400 are $595.
> 
> Tom Anhalt
  

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 21:10:02 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Upgrades - need help

Sniff...No!

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: Brake Upgrades - need help
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 5:56 PM
> 
> i take it then u dont have the fac ser manual??
> 
> 68 Wagoneer wrote:
> > 
> > Glad to see that passed the test, Zack. That's the main reason I wanted
to
> > swap the brakes in Ole Bessy.
> > 
> > BTW, does anyone have the schematic/instructions on how the rear brakes
on
> > the early Dana 44s are set up? I would like verification on the way I
need
> > to set up the star adjusters, e-brake hardware, etc. If possible, a
..jpg or
> > .gif of the rear brakes would be helpful.
> > 
> > =======================================
> -- 
>   Sincerely
> 
>   kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
>   kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
>                                             Super Wagoneer.


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 21:13:59 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Henry P. and 3.31s

I have a total of 3 sets of 3.31s, two of them from D44s. One set is out of
my original '68 D44 and the second set is out of the '72 D44 that I got
from the parts Wag.

The third set is out of the '68 D27 but I don't think anyone would be
interested in that.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Henry P.
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 5:58 PM
> 
> henry do u have a pair of 331 rp's from a d44, or
> just one set for d44 and the other for the d27??
> 
> 68 Wagoneer wrote:
> > 
> > I was getting 11 mpg with my rebuilt Buick 350 and 3.31 gears. I hate
to
> > think of the mileage with my new 3.73s but I'll know in about a week!
> > 
> > =======================================
> -- 
>   Sincerely
> 
>   kenneth e. wetherall               If a Wagoneer can go where a 
>   kenns-at-concentric.net                  CJ can go, then it's a 
>                                             Super Wagoneer.


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 21:16:53 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: digital camera


>The Camera is BROKES!  Piece of Kronkin $%^#y plastic.  It was a Kodak DC40,
>don't buy one...  Anyways, i'll see what my brother can get fer me to
use..  I
>might have to use the old 35mm and a scanner, who knows..

	Now, now, temper temper!  So, how hard DID you have to throw it to break
it, and how many pieces is it in?

	Seriously....  what happened?

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 21:19:29 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: non-fsj nasty part delete


	JOE!!!  This is a FAMILY CHANNEL!!!

>
>I LOVE those 44's!!!!  I aint talking about tires either
>
>

<grin>

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 21:21:00 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: push starting automatics


	I'm not real sure, especially about the GM versions, but I believe Ford
eliminated the rear pump in '65, same time they made a whole bunch of other
changes in their trannys...  and bellhousings...  dunno		

>
>I'm no expert, but I thought only the old (50's?) version of the powerglide
>with the cast-iron case could be push started?  I thought the aluminum
>version did'nt have a second pump in the ouput?  In fact I have tried to
>push-start a late 60 powerglide before, and never got it to turn the
>engine over.
>
>

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 19:41:03 +0000
From: "William S. McBride" <wmmcb-at-televar.com>
Subject: Re: Rush (non-fsj)

Mike -

You have quite the memory (and the right aswer).

Bill McBride 
1968 J - 100

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 22:39:05 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: Greg Harper

Greg,
  Sorry to mail you over the list like this, but I can't find you
address anywhere.  I got your check, and I'm putting your parts book in
the mail tomorrow (Friday).  

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 23:06:01 -0500
From: "68 Wagoneer" <jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com>
Subject: Re: Dana axles

Laurence, yes, RTV is cool for the diff covers. Sometimes it's preferable
to a gasket, depending on what quality the gasket is.

=======================================
Henry Padilla
'68 Jeep Wagoneer
Buick 350 thoughtfully installed by Kaiser
jeepwagoneer-at-gyral.com

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> From: Laurence Galle <leg-at-datasync.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Dana axles
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 1997 6:20 PM
> 
> I am about to change the oil in the differentials on my 89 GW.  It looks
as
> if both the front and rear were sealed with RTV the last time someone had
> them open.  Is RTV OK?  Should there be a gasket there instead?
> 
> Thanks,
> Laurence


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 22:41:05 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Chief Update #22132



Howdy,
Remember I told of the garage cleaning last weekend?
I have a 26 x 36 garage and it was full, keyword WAS.
We filled a 21 cubic yard dumpster! I can now get 3 cars
in there :-)

My point.....the 79 Chief has been parked in the aforementioned
garage since Monday morning.  I moved it out tonite and immediately
noticed no drips or puddles anywhere!!! I was/am impressed.

That's right guys (and gals) ALL fsj's do not leak or drip.
And yes, I checked all fluids, they were fine, except the
fuel, it's never fine!

C'ya
Joe-

Dripless in Indy



    

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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 23:29:00 -0500
From: Jim Weisflock <mrmonk-at-basec.net>
Subject: Re: Engine transplant

> >What would it take to mount a 400 Pontiac Ram air into a '72 J4000?

Not sure, but that would be easier to find parts for then a 360?  Would
be rather unique, get one of them cowl induction FSJ hoods for it too.

> >Or maybe a 400 Chevy.  (any other good engines that are around the 360-400
> >mark?)

AMC 290, 327, 343, 390 or 401. lol, CID isn't close but I'd use any of
these wonderful original workhorses in an FSJ.

A Chevy? This summer we're swapping out one of those oil leaking, gasket
blowing, rod knocking things from my pal Fortin's '77 Chevy shortbox
2wd, the new mill to make this bowtie move?  A free 500 Cadillac mill
from his uncle, yeah, the Chevy didn't have enough torque, woo woo woo.
Gotta have something with more guts than a dumb 350 to pull his '72
4-4-2 455 when it refuses to start on Friday night grudge fights. (I do
it too easily with my Wagoneer as it is! *grin*)

Speaking of Chevy, what would a late 70s built 400 CID truck motor with
380 HP, chromed, pro built by RHS and all the good stuff be worth by
itself?  That resto'ed J-10's owner we bugged last year has written us
in interest of dumping it on us again, we loathe the motor, we want to
know what it's worth when we sell that and put a 390 in it's place, if
we do.  Maybe Mr. Sc0 would want this motor eh?
-- 
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|  /  |    |        American Motors FrEaK and Buick fan.
| /   |    |       "Neflite" of IRC Undernet #sailormoon
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> Next pass we're lined up, I actually tree'd him a little, but he just
> walked away in first gear while I spun and spun and spun.  I finally
> got it in third, ran him down, and beat him.   AMX: 13.13 at 110,
> Stage 1 Buick: 13.18 at 106.     :)
> ralph.winslow-at-ae.ge.com
				     O.o!!!!


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Date:  Thu, 22 May 1997 21:58:04 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: hear ye, hear ye...  BROOKS STEVENS INFO!!!! on FSJ-ORC

http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj/brooks.stevens.html

enjoy, and thanx to one of our FSJ "lurkers"...  they know who
they are, and I appreciate their contribution...

Now, if someone can find out if Robert C. Ackerson is still around...

We missed out on Graneville King and Brooks Stevens...
(If there are any other engineers, designers or other interesting
"celebrities" that have been involved with FSJ's I'd like to hear 
about them.  I'm thinking of putting this information in the FSJ 
history section.)

ttyl,
john
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