FSJ-List-Digest-337

Monday, May 26, 1997 6:03:05 AM

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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 15:34:35 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-Fest #2 - another one signs up...

>    John, I have to pick my daughter up in Seattle, so if I can make
>    some arri.
> 
> by the 4th, I will be there, what ever  location you guys want. 
> Sounds like fun.  Is that hwy.2 from spokane a good road, to keep a
> good speed, without too much law enforcement.

It's ok, but you'd make much, much better time on I-90.  US 2 is fine 
in Eastern WA, but once you get up around Leavenworth you can get 
into heavy traffic.  Although it is much more scenic than I-90.   
From Spokane, I'd take I-90, it is much faster.

so, we have "confirmed":
Alise
John
Wallace
David 

pretty likely:
ron
roti
allan

maybe's:
Brad
Mick

need some encouragement:
Eddie,
java joe,
Michael Baxter... :-)

I'll give some thought to where to meet, what to do and so on this 
afternoon, have to go out and do some yard work...

john
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 15:44:29 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-Fest #2 update 1539hrs... :-)

> Subject: Re: PNW - FSJ Fest #2 - July 5, 1997
> I am on call through Tues so I won't be getting out of Wenatchee
> this w/e.  I am planning on the 4th if anyone else is interested. 
> I've got Bill McBride 1968 J - 100

GREAT!!   looks like Old Blue won't have to pull a trailer if we 
decide to bring a barbque!

Bill, could you see if you could locate a Bryan Niese in Wenatchee, 
he works for US West over there.  He's got an 83 Wagoneer that looks 
almost like Old Blue except it doesn't have a sunroof or vinyl top 
and was laid over on the driver's side when a road washed out on 
him...   Haven't heard from him for a long time.

thanx,
john meister

the list:
Alise, w/ Rufus
John, w/ Old Blue
Bill, w/ a 68 J10 from Wenatchee
David, w/ a 68? Wag from Moscow, ID
Wallace, w/ an 83 Wag from Idaho

likely but unconfirmed:
Roti,
Allan,
Ron,
Joe

possible:
Brad,
Mick,
Eddie
(Bryan - off list)
(local lurkers...)

later,
john
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 15:46:50 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: air deflector

> Subject: Re: air deflector-ANOTHER ONE!
> 
> Wow. That's encouraging. I have an air deflector off of the '72
> parts Wag that I'd like to sell; good condition except for the fake
> woodgrain needs replacing. Anyone want to buy it? Joe, what's the
> going price for one of these?
> 
I paid $15 for the last one.   If it's in primo shape, maybe $50.

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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 15:51:26 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Hi there & latebreaking FSJ news..

> Yes, it appears I have convinced my girlfriend (of almost 6 years!)
> that buying another FSJ is a good idea. Now hopefully I can convince
> the owner of the old J-truck I want to sell it cheap! I will keep
> you all posted, Marc Bowers

cool.   Bring a picture of Old Blue and tell him I paid $1,000 for 
him two years ago... :-)

6 years!!!   another year and you guys are common law married, aren't 
you?  

I'll be married for 22 years in November...

Will you be able to make the FSJ-Fest #2 on July 5th?

hopefully with an FSJ...

ttyl,
john
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 18:55:35 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Re: Hi there & latebreaking FSJ news..



	J-truck, good choice!  Not that I'm prejudiced or anything, of course...
<grin>

	Oh...  and June 10th makes 15 years for me...

At 03:51 PM 5/25/97 +0000, john meister wrote:
>> Yes, it appears I have convinced my girlfriend (of almost 6 years!)
>> that buying another FSJ is a good idea. Now hopefully I can convince
>> the owner of the old J-truck I want to sell it cheap! I will keep
>> you all posted, Marc Bowers
>
>cool.   Bring a picture of Old Blue and tell him I paid $1,000 for 
>him two years ago... :-)
>
>6 years!!!   another year and you guys are common law married, aren't 
>you?  
>
>I'll be married for 22 years in November...
>
>Will you be able to make the FSJ-Fest #2 on July 5th?
>
>hopefully with an FSJ...
>
>ttyl,
>john
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 16:03:03 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: 86 Grand Wagoneer

> John
> I'm looking at an '86 GW with 100,000 miles
> I am going to have the engine checked out but are there any inherent
> problems I should know about for this year and model??  would this
> be a good buy at $2500 if it checks out - worth the possible work I
> might have to put in to it?? Thanks for your help KG
> 

Sounds reasonable.   Any rust?  

There are some buyers' guides on Off-Road.com FSJ pages...

For an idea of value:

I saw an 83 Wag ltd for 4300 at a ParknSell lot near Woodinville
I just saw an 91 GW on 216th & 99 for 10,999, it has 99,000 miles and 
selectrac.   has some rust starting...  Hunter Green.  Nothing 
fancy...  no sunroof, has the cheap steering wheel instead of the 
leather wrapped one like  Old Blue has...

So, $2,500 for an 86 doesn't sound too bad at all...    If I were to 
get another FSJ, I'd be looking at an 86 and up with a sunroof.  And, 
possibly a pre 68 J-series rig... major project, update, etc.   pre 
68 is exempt from emissions and if I can find a license plate from 
68, exempt from tabs... :-)

You will want to make sure ALL the wiring is secured and protected, 
tie it up and tape it up...  lots of underhood/dash fires from 
rubbing wires...  easy to prevent.

(BTW, I'm in Washington state... :-)  (and I'm ccing the FSJ-list)

If you're up in the Seattle area, we're having an FSJ-Fest on July 
5th.  Not sure exactly where or what we're going to do yet though...

Hey, those that are interested, please cc me as well as the list, I'm 
still in the DIGEST mode and this is "late-breaking" stuff... :-)

ttyl,
john
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 97 16:21:26 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: FSJ-Fest #2 - another idea from Alisa...



 (now, if you can
come up with an idea that will want my wife and daughter to come
along, then you'll have hit a real winner...   I haven't even told
them about this event yet...   I know how they usually receive news
like this... "oh.  guess we'll go to the mall then..."  or something
like that.   They do not get into wheelin', especially with groups...
 oh well...   However, we've never been to Rainer, so it might be
something that will work.

the nice thing about rainer is that there are plenty of other
things to do there. tourist centers  with wild life lectures and tours
and even a lodge with food and drink, which is a big plus
if you are a family member who is not in to 4 wheeling.
 I don't know the area real well myself but I have a
 lead from an uncle on a huckleberry patch that
 you can drive to. there is a ranger station there of course
(not at the huckleberry patch but the mountain:)and
they would have maps and descriptions of all the forest
 roads.I hear there are ice caves there as well, I don't
 know how they are accessed. I wonder if they have
that kind of info on the net somewhere? if you are
 planning on making flyers up, I would like a copy
there are lots of Gw's here in ballard
(more so then else where in the city it seems, I think
 it is a fisherman thing, they all seem to be down by the docks)
but anyway since I know where a bunch live I was
thinking I could do some direct marketing and drop a
 flyer on their windshields.

Alisa


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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 17:01:22 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Bill M.

AFAIK, the buckets and console for the "60's" wags were
only for the Supers. if this wag has the 'gold' lettered 'Super'
just forward of the 'wagoneer' at the rear body sides, and has
3 crome strips down each side, then its a better bet that it
maybe a Super! look also for a vnyl roof.

the only parts to come to mind would be the crome strips
down ea side of the wag. the rubicon did a number on em
last time :(

what state r u in?

William S. McBride wrote:
> 
> Ken -
> 
> There is a late 60's Wag in one of the local yards that has been
> pretty well picked through; however it does have a console and buckets
> up front. Does this mean it was a Super or were the console/buckets an
> option on the regular and Custom models? Do you want me to look into
> any parts for you?
> 
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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 19:40:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: brad's page & the PNW FSJ Fest


On Sun, 25 May 1997 02:18:20 +0000 john meister <john-at-> 
wrote:
> The PNW FSJ fest may even have a sponsor...   Please let me know if 
> you're coming for sure so I can see about lining up some food and a 
> place to gather.
> If any of you local types have any good ideas call or email.  I may 
> be able to get some sponsorship out of the Jeep dealer and perhaps 
> some of the off-road shops in the area...

What kind of sponsorship can you get? 



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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 20:01:49 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: FSJ-Fest #2 - July 5, 1997

>come on out and play lurkers - we know you're out there in the Puget 
>Alise suggested:
>> Had yah, thought about the olympic penisula?
>> like meet at fort worden (parking, beach and
>> bbq facilitys)and go up in to the mountains
>
> 
>Being a busy weekend the ferries will be very crowded, not to mention 
>the parks...   Over here there are enough places that won't be full 
>that aren't too far, most of us are in the north end it seems.

Alisa,
Nice thought but John's right about the ferries/parks. The 4th is the
busiest holiday on the pen. This weekend the ferry "wait" is min. 3hrs each
way and it'll be worse on the weekend of the fourth. Fort Worden/Ft Flagler
have been filled by 'reservations' for months ahead for the major holidays. 
Holidays are a bummer over here. The touri plug everything up...

John, that's one reason I prolly won't make it. If I fly into sea/tac the
3rd or 4th, do the ferry BS to get home after a month on the boat I'm not
likely to throw my sea bag on the floor and turn around and head back to
the ferry dock on a holiday weekend. 
It usually takes two days before I even go to town to get my mail :)

The Ice Caves thing sounds cool though ;) I'd definately stick with some
place in eastern WA. Those peolple will all be over here, should be pretty
lonely on the east side of Puget Sound.
Guess I'll just have to meet you folks maybe one or two at a time. Heck,
we'll prolly all meet in FSJ rehab someday anyway :)

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 20:19:29 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: FSJ-Fest #2 - another idea from Alise...

>>   Just had another Idea how about Mt Rainer?
>
>
>The only other problem I can see is that I've never been there, so I 
>don't know trails or facilities, 

Just my 2 cents here. I've driven around the area there and it's 'nice'.
Since this isn't a rock crawl type thing, just get a USFS map and go
explore! Where you all end up that day is where you camp.

I've never been a much of a 'campground' camper and there must be a least a
zillion places to put a few rigs and some tents for a night up there. I'm
sure everyone is into the 'pack it in/pack it out' thing so if the fire
danger rating isn't a prob, there isn't a prob. I prolly won't make it but
someone with a pick up and a tarp can run as trash hauler for the trip.
Oh yeah, do bring a 'warm' sleeping bag :)

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 23:34:40 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: 62-'72 Parts Man. DETAILS

Bill, et all,
  That's a good question.  They way I have done all the other ones is
that I get them printed on prepunched paper, put them in a binder, and
mail them to you.  All this should stay about $50 for this book.  If
everyone would like, I could just send the paper, but I get a great
discount on the binders.  A 4" D-ring binder costs me $5.  They are
really heavy and really good.  (Its only $5 when I get the manuals
printed, they're normally more).  If someone has some other feelings on
this let me know.  One other note:  When we do this, I'll send out a
call for checks, and I won't go to the printers until I have ~8 checks. 
I have to order 10 to get the good price, and I have to pay up front.  I
don't consider you as having offically ordering a manual until I have
your check in my hand.   And also I don't have $500+ dollars laying
around to put down on it either.  Rest assured, if you send me a check,
you will get a manual.  Hope this clears some things up.  Please send me
your other questions.  

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track  


William S. McBride wrote:
> 
> Zack -
> 
> Will the $50 cover binding or punching of holes for a notebook cover?
> If so, count me as a 100% definite yes.
> 
> Bill McBride
> 1968 J - 100
> 
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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 00:48:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: Tilt steering column fix

   I have indeed written the tilt column fix...  However, I sent it to the
wrong bloody place!!!  FSJLIST (no hyphen).  I'll be getting it back in my
E-mail about the time you're reading this, and I'll re-send it to the right
place this time.  So, you should be getting reading it about a day from when
you're reading this.  I hope it helps someone.

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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 22:36:56 -0500
From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...

Joe,
 On Monday I get off work at 1000 pm (pacific time) so if that time is good
for you let me know and I can start faxing the pages. Make sure you have
plenty of paper cause it is 17 pages long...
Let me know....

Tim

scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net
79 wagon / 63 scout

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> From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...
> Date: Sunday, May 25, 1997 1:55 PM
> 
> At 11:27 AM 5/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Just looked around the house and found all 3 articles. If all you out
there
> >would like I copy, let me know. I will fax or mail copies to you..
> >
> > Tim Johnson
> >scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net
> >79 wagon / 63 scout
> >
> I do, I do....when would you fax it?  As that is also my
> internet line.  let me know and I'll switch it over.
> 
> # 317 784-8373
> 
> Thanks!!!!!!!
> 
> Joe-
> 79 Chief
> 
> >
> 
> 
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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 00:56:39 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Hi there & latebreaking FSJ news..

>
>	Oh...  and June 10th makes 15 years for me...
>
I'm nearing my 25th with this wife, was married 4 years
to first one. :-(

Joe-

older than dirt!


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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 23:26:17 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: PNW FSJ Fest????

At 19:40 25-05-97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>On Sun, 25 May 1997 02:18:20 +0000 john meister <john-at-> 
>wrote:
>> The PNW FSJ fest may even have a sponsor...   Please let me know if 
>> you're coming for sure so I can see about lining up some food and a 
>> place to gather.
>> If any of you local types have any good ideas call or email.  I may 
>> be able to get some sponsorship out of the Jeep dealer and perhaps 
>> some of the off-road shops in the area...
>
>What kind of sponsorship can you get? 
>

Hi John,
I've kinda been following this 'fest' thing even though I prolly can't make
it. Guess I was mistaken that this was just gonna be a bunch of fsj freaks
bangin around the woods, doin a little campin and whatever.
This is startin to sound like an "event". Sponsors?? Food?? Can't we just
fend for ourselves? We do have the room in our rigs to bring what we need :)
This is gettin a little too 'formal' for me...
Never had much of a herd instinct. 

Guess I may just grab a couple of extra jerry cans of fuel and go
solo...the other way.

Please don't take this as criticism. Everyone has there own agenda. I just
don't think this is mine...

I hope you all have a blast. Looking forward to the reports :)

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Sun, 25 May 1997 23:36:58 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: 62-'72 Parts Man. DETAILS

<I could just send the paper, but I get a great
>discount on the binders.  A 4" D-ring binder costs me $5.  They are
>really heavy and really good.  (Its only $5 when I get the manuals
>printed, they're normally more). 

Zack et al,
IMHO the binder is the way to go. 


>And also I don't have $500+ dollars laying
>around to put down on it either.  Rest assured, if you send me a check,
>you will get a manual.  Hope this clears some things up.  Please send me
>your other questions.  
>
>Zack Heisey

Zack, I'm gone again in a few days, send me your smail address and I'll
send a check for $50 before I leave. If it's more or less we'll adjust it
when needed OK?
Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 01:55:00 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...

At 10:36 PM 5/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Joe,
> On Monday I get off work at 1000 pm (pacific time) so if that time is good
>for you let me know and I can start faxing the pages. Make sure you have
>plenty of paper cause it is 17 pages long...
>Let me know....
>
>Tim
>
>scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net
>79 wagon / 63 scout
>
Great!  Lets see, 10 pm pacific would be midnight here, perfect!
Send me your adress and I'll send you a couple fsj decals for your trouble.

C'ya
joe-





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>> From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
>> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
>> Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...
>> Date: Sunday, May 25, 1997 1:55 PM
>> 
>> At 11:27 AM 5/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Just looked around the house and found all 3 articles. If all you out
>there
>> >would like I copy, let me know. I will fax or mail copies to you..
>> >
>> > Tim Johnson
>> >scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net
>> >79 wagon / 63 scout
>> >
>> I do, I do....when would you fax it?  As that is also my
>> internet line.  let me know and I'll switch it over.
>> 
>> # 317 784-8373
>> 
>> Thanks!!!!!!!
>> 
>> Joe-
>> 79 Chief
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> 
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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 01:55:54 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...

So you ARE working tomorrow (Mon) ?  not a holiday for you?
C'ya
joe-




At 10:36 PM 5/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Joe,
> On Monday I get off work at 1000 pm (pacific time) so if that time is good
>for you let me know and I can start faxing the pages. Make sure you have
>plenty of paper cause it is 17 pages long...
>Let me know....
>
>Tim
>
>scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net
>79 wagon / 63 scout
>
>----------
>> From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
>> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
>> Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...
>> Date: Sunday, May 25, 1997 1:55 PM
>> 
>> At 11:27 AM 5/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Just looked around the house and found all 3 articles. If all you out
>there
>> >would like I copy, let me know. I will fax or mail copies to you..
>> >
>> > Tim Johnson
>> >scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net
>> >79 wagon / 63 scout
>> >
>> I do, I do....when would you fax it?  As that is also my
>> internet line.  let me know and I'll switch it over.
>> 
>> # 317 784-8373
>> 
>> Thanks!!!!!!!
>> 
>> Joe-
>> 79 Chief
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> 
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Date:  Mon, 26 May 97 00:38:07 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: FSJ-Fest #2 - another idea from Alise...



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I thought this was a day trip type thing, not a camp out?
Alisa



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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 00:31:47 -0700
From: David Klingenberg <kling914-at-uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: PNW - FSJ fest #2 over the 4th of July weekend - 5th???

As far as I am concerned we can go any wear that you locals can think
of. 

David Klingenberg
davidk-at-uidaho.edu
'67 Jeep Wagoneer

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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 00:32:43 -0700
From: David Klingenberg <kling914-at-uidaho.edu>
Subject: Multi coil ignition system.

As promised here is the information about the multi coil ignition
system.

The name of the company is Electromotive, Inc.
				14004 -J. Willard Rd.
				Chantilly VA 22021

 Their phone number is:703-378-2444
Their fax number is:703-378-2448

The name of the system is HPV ignition.  It is a crankshaft triggered
direct fire ignition system.  Here is what their literature has to say.

Starting with a 60 tooth wheel on the crankshaft and a magnetic sensor,
timing accuracy is better than =BC of a degree.  Multi coils mean there i=
s
more time to both charge and discharge the coils.  Digitally controlled
charging and firing  circuitry insurers a constant energy spark from
idle to over 9600 rpm.  The combination of high energy and long duration
yields more complete combustion with fewer misfires, providing the user
with more performance and lower emissions.

Standard features of all HPV ignition include:
=D8 Low cost, self contained and easy to install.
=D8 More powerful than standard Mags or C-Ds.
=D8 Faster rise time burns through wet plugs.
=D8 Longer burn time for more complete combustion.
=D8 High resolution triggered eliminates spark scatter.
=D8 Engine compartment mountable and ultra reliable.
=D8 No mechanical rotors and caps to cross fire and fail.

The HPV ignition uses multiple ignition coils and digitally controlled
dwell circuits to assure the hottest and most consistent spark
possible.  Each coil fires two cylinders; one on the compression stroke
and one on the exhaust.  The exhaust cylinder plug has a lower plug gap
ionization potential and, as a result, does not consume appreciable
ignition power.  The individual coils allow fast and accurate spark
ignition; long burn times and high energy levels assure effective
burning for improved driveability, increased performance and decreased
fuel consumption and emissions.

The cost for the basic unit is 499.00.  There are other units and
options from the company including a unit that is integrated with a fuel
injection system.

I hope that you all find this helpful.  The few articles that I have
read about this type of systems have all been very positive.  For those
out there with the Jeep 4.2l they make a  drop in unit that replaces
your factory installed carburetor or fuel injection system along with
your ignition system with a all new fuel injection system plus the
ignition system.

David Klingenberg
davidk-at-uidaho.edu
'67 Jeep Wagoner

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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 00:36:06 -0700
From: David Klingenberg <kling914-at-uidaho.edu>
Subject: re: '62-'72 Parts book

Zack Please add me to the parts book list.  I also like the idea of
combining all of those parts books together.

David Klingenberg
davidk-at-uidaho.edu

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Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 00:24:07 -0400
From: Zack Heisey <moosh-at-redrose.net>
Subject: '62-'72 Parts Book

Hey guys,
  Finally have a chance to get back on this other parts book.  The
current list of people interested are:
SuperKen
Tom Taylor
Joe Schaefer
Kevin LaRue
Bruce (1414)
Brad (bks-at-co.intel.com)
Landen Schooler
SuperKen
Bill McBride
ScO
Henry Padilla
Tony Hanson
Alan Wysocki
SuperKen (he's real interested)

That's twelve altogether, so I'll get a price based on 10, and we'll go
from there.  I'll swing by the printers tomorrow, and I'll let you know
what I find out.  If anyone else wants to get on this list, let me
know.  The more we get, the cheaper each copy will be.  Take care,

Zack Heisey
'79 J-10
'79 Cherokee Chief Wide Track

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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 00:37:27 -0700
From: David Klingenberg <kling914-at-uidaho.edu>
Subject: re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...

I have all three and will scan them into the computer for those how
would like to have them.

David Klingenberg
davidk-at-uidaho.edu
'67 Jeep Wagoner 


-----Original Message-----
Date:  Sat, 24 May 1997 13:44:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag...

   I just caught a glimpse of an AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in some 4 X 4
magazine in the supermarket tonight.  It was the 3rd and final article
on
this buildup.  Would anybody on the list happen to subscribe to this
magazine
and be willing to send me a photocopy of all 3 articles???  If so,
great.  If
not, thanks anyway!

'78 Cherokee, 360, TH-400, Q-track, 33"

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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 00:38:34 -0700
From: David Klingenberg <kling914-at-uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: bradís page & the PNW FSJ Fest

>Ken -
>There is a late 60's Wag in one of the local yards that has been pretty well picked through; however it >does have a console and buckets up front. Does this mean it was a Super or were the >console/buckets an option on the regular and Custom models? Do y>Bill McBride 
>1968 J - 100

Bill 

I have been looking for a 4bbl intake manifold for a long time now.  If
you could check on that rig and see if it has the 327, then check and
see if it has the 4bbl manifold on it or not if it dose I will take it
price is not an option here.  If any one has a lead on one of those
manifolds pleas let me know. J

David Klingenberg
davidk-at-uidaho.edu
'67 Jeep Wagoneer

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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 01:29:27 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: pages... and FSJ-Fest #2 - PNW

Looks like the Pacific Northwest FSJ-Fest #2 is going to be popular!

So far 2 are coming in from Idaho, one from eastern washington, about 
4 here in the puget sound, possibly one or two from Oregon, and maybe 
one or two from Northern California, and just maybe, one from 
Vancouver BC...   Also might be able to contact a couple of the local 
FSJ Charter members who are off the list.

Because so many folks are coming from so far, I think we'll stick a 
little closer to Snohomish and look to do some wheeling within a 
reasonable drive.   If the weather is nice, Mt. Pilchuck would be 
good.  Will continue to do examine options.   Time will be limited 
since many of the folks coming in will drive up that day.  So 
whatever we do, we'll have to account for the logistics...   

please email me directly and cc the FSJ-list as I'm still in the 
Digest mode and might miss a message about the Fest.

john meister
fsj editor
PNW IFSJA coordinator
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  NEW  PAGES  on ORC - FSJ
-------------------------------------------

Bert,
I've got your page up on ORC finally... whew, your restoration 
project was well covered  (J20 section of FSJ-fotos)

Hope you decide to come up to the FSJ-Fest on July 5, 1997..
Isn't Edwards in Southern California???   You will most likely be the 
one coming the furthest...

----------------------

Eddie,

Your page is there, waiting for the pictures
(and your answer on FSJ-fest#2, sure hope you can make it.
(Cherokee section, FSJ-fotos)
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David Klingenberg,

your page is there, looking forward to seeing you at FSJ-Fest #2
Looks like you selected a winner time.   Good stuff!
(Wagoneer section FSJ-fotos)
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john
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Date:  Mon, 26 May 97 01:36:14 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: 86 Grand Wagoneer



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> John
> I'm looking at an '86 GW with 100,000 miles
> I am going to have the engine checked out but are there any inherent
> problems I should know about for this year and model??  would this
> be a good buy at $2500 if it checks out - worth the possible work I
> might have to put in to it?? Thanks for your help KG
>
John, could you please forward this to who ever posted
this originally since there is no e-mail address or source information?

hello KG,
I suppose it depends on what part of the country you are
in, but I just payed 3,250.00 for one with 150,000mi
and about 1,500 worth of work that needs
be done + two minor dents. 86GW's in good condition don't
usually sell for less then 5000.00 these days. All of
the 86's I looked at were in the 4500-5000 range and
all had at least a thousand that needed to be put
in to them I considered myself quite lucky to
get such a deal as I did. for, after the work is done
I come out paying the same as I would have
 for a jeep that still needs a bunch of small things done.
yet the one I have will be nearly perfect (w/ a sunroof to boot,)
At that price I would be skeptical, of both miles and hidden
conditions. If you are not a mechanic I would have it
looked over throughly before buying. but it sounds as
if it could be an incredible deal, what part of the world are you in?
Alisa Mize at
Jaamize-at-nwlink.com


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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 01:37:12 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: long drive... :-(

> > Hey, Tom & Dan, you driving up too?
> > 
> 
> Oh boy, that's quite a drive for even us SoCal types.  Did that
> drive in '92 in the Buick Special.  I think I'll have to pass this
> time :(
> 
> Tom Anhalt

Tom, 

I can appreciate that.  Hey, I drove down there in 92...  We must 
have passed each other somewhere along the coast...

Well, at least I got to meet you down there.  I enjoyed it immensely. 
It's very nice down there, and you've got a very nice jeep, even if 
it is missing a couple of doors, and cylinders... :-)   I just wish 
that my camera hadn't messed up on the shot of your wide track 
straddling that one wash, and the shot of all three of us together...

The camera got traded in for a couple cheaper bodies...  So far they 
are working out ok.  

john
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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 01:40:48 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: Bill & the console...

> There is a late 60's Wag in one of the local yards that has been
> pretty well picked through; however it does have a console and
> buckets up front. Does this mean it was a Super or were the
> console/buckets an option on the regular and Custom models? Do you
> want me to look into any parts for you?
> 
> Bill McBride 
> 1968 J - 100

Hey Bill,

What do they want for the console???  What color is it?   If it's not 
too expensive and not too much bother, perhaps you could retrieve it 
for me and bring it with you for the FSJ-fest...    Let me know 
what it's like...

oh, to answer the question, you need to look at the serial number, 
I think 1414D is the key...  The D indicates a Super.

thanx,
john
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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 01:43:08 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-List-Digest - Number 336

> Subject: Re: brad's page & the PNW FSJ Fest
> 
> John M.-
> 
> Did you personally check out the 68 Wag? If so, let me know the
> specifics. Otherwise please post the phone# for the owner again.
> Thanks. I'm interested.
> 
> Bill McBride
> 1968 J - 100

No, I didn't, but it's not going anywhere for a week or so, the heads 
are in the shop.   I also didn't go because I might try to buy it... 
:-)   My wife won't let me have more than 3 jeeps here at one time... 
I've got Old Blue (81 Wag Ltd), my little wagoneer, my 88 xj and 
another 88 xj wgnr that I need to fix and sell...

the guys name is Peter, ph 206.526.0996

later,
john
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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 08:32:17 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: parts interchange manual

>I was thinking again.  I know, there I go thinking again, like I know
>I'm not paid to do... but if I took the '62-'72 Parts book, and then
>combined the sections with the FSJ sections from the 74-80 Parts book,
>and then maybe get the print outs from the guy who has 81-91 on fiche, I
>could make a complete interchange manual.  It would really benifit FSJ's
>of all years.  Someone could compare their part to a newer model, they
>could be exactly the same, or even a little bit better, if not more
>available.  Now I realize this SOB would be thick, but I think it'd be
>cool.  Thoughts? Comments?

	Zack, this is the kind of thing that I think would be PERFECT for putting
on the web!  That way, one could access everything instantly without the
need for slaughtering poor defenseless little trees in mass quantities.
Not to cut into your business...  hey, I'm sure some folks would like to
have the whole thing in print, perhaps we could rig up something where we
could fax sections, etc...  ideas?  comments?  flames?  NOT


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Date:  Mon, 26 May 1997 08:50:21 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: foam vs. cloth


>let's see, take a piece of foam soaked with oil,  say about 1/4 inch 
>thick, and then take some cotton gauze, wetted with oil, and then 
>hold them both under a faucet, measure flow...  and when you get 
>done, see if there are any voids in the material.

	Ah, how about special high density gauze, encased in metal mesh, as per
K&N construction, vs. a piece of foam.

	And how much gets AROUND the foam?

>let's see, one million miles versus lifetime, which one is longer?  
>:-)

	Gee, if your motor blows up in a week because you suck water into it....

>The difference in use is more likely the difference in distribution.  
>I'm sure there'd be more in use if they were sold in more stores.

	Nope.  K&N developed the distribution to meet demand, not the other way
around.  K&N has been around a long time.

>Think of this though, how many Rolls Royce dealers have you seen?  
>Now, let's compare a Rolls to a Chevy.   Is the Chevy better because 
>more racers use them?   (and then you'd have to ask, better in what 
>way? <g> )

	Gee, if you ask some Chevy guys, they'd probably say Chevy.  More
availability of performance parts, replacement parts, easy to modify,
cheaper.  Hmm, exact same reasons they give for why they think Chevy is
better than Ford.  Hmm...

>Sometimes facts only confuse people.

	You should know...  <grin>.  Like I said, if ya wanna prove it, take you,
Old Blue, and your Amsoil filter and come on down here to Florida and play
in the goo with me, Timex, and the K&N filter.

	If ya ain't willing to risk your motor, then it ain't no good, no matter
what you quote.  Let's see YOU run in water up to your hood and keep water
out of the motor.

	I've done it, I have pictures showing how deep I routinely run, not to
mention the REALLY deep stuff.  In more than one truck.

	Come on, John....  put yer motor where yer mouth is, or shut up...  <grin>.

	Will he accept the challenge?


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