Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:20:55 -0500 From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag... It's in the mail... Tim scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net 79 wagon / 63 scout ---------- > From: Jim Weisflock <mrmonk-at-basec.net> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag... > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 4:33 PM > > Me three! > > James R. Weisflock > 1321 East 1st St. > Redfield SD, 57469 > > > Thanks as well! > > > > > > At 10:57 AM 5/27/97 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >On Sun, 25 May 1997, Tim Johnson wrote: > > > > > >> Just looked around the house and found all 3 articles. If all you out there > > >> would like I copy, let me know. I will fax or mail copies to you.. > > >> > > >> Tim Johnson > > >> scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net > > >> 79 wagon / 63 scout > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > >I'd like a copy of the entire article. If you'd send it to the following > > >address I'd be most greatful. > > > > > >Brian Riggs > > >4607 s. Brandywood Dr. > > >WVC Ut 84120 > > > > > >Thanks, > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- > > >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the > > command > > >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > -- > ____________ > | /| | James R. Weisflock > | / | | mrmonk-at-basec.net > | / | | American Motors FrEaK and Buick fan. > | / | | "Neflite" of IRC Undernet #sailormoon > |/ |____| SOS: > http://looney.physics.sunysb.edu/~daffy/sos/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1987 AMC Jeep Grand Wagoneer > (360 V8 2bbl, 33" Glasspack exhaust, Cobra 40 channel CB, > Uniroyal Sport King A/Ts 30x9.5x15s, Pioneer DEH-225 CD) > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AMX Files: http://www.amxfiles.com/ > Javelin Homepages: http://www.javelinamx.com/ > My ORC page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj/weisflock.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Buick Turbo Regal Website: http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/www/buick.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Yes I know my enemies > They're the teachers who taught me to fight me!" > -Rage Against the Machine- > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:23:45 -0500 From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag... You should have gotten 17 pages, if not let me know and I can resend it.. Tim scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net 79 wagon / 63 scout ---------- > From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: RE: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag... > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 5:04 PM > > > > > > >> > >> Just looked around the house and found all 3 articles. If all you out there > >> would like I copy, let me know. I will fax or mail copies to you.. > >> > > > Tim, > Man it looks like a flood!, Hey if you want, split your list and send > some to me and I will send copies out to some of the guys. This is of > course dependent on you fax getting to me OK! > > Jeff Herbst > 1982 Wagoneer LTD > Sachse > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:30:34 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: way behind...
> Just took a look at what I've got stashed in the "web page
> to-dos"....
> when I get a free evening to code, I'm gonna be at it a
> while........ I've gotten WAAAAAAY behind....
>
Doc, you're a lot further ahead than I am... :-)
I glance at your page and notice about a bazillion articles that I've
got sitting in my "NEW FSJ PAGES" folder that you've already done...
I just finally got Bert's J20 resto up there... If you want to just
grab the contact sheet and link over to the jpgs on ORC, feel free...
The pictures were all "value-added" so I just used them all... If I
had to I could cut maybe 30 % of 'em... Same with Tommy's Chero
Resto... (did you see the thing on everybody suing each other over
links? some little startup news service was using frames to wrap the
major sites and running banner ads... Even microsoft and
ticketmaster? are in court... sheesh...)
So far no limits have been placed on the number of pictures I put
up... They do have some guidelines for page loading speed... which
I'm probably in violation of... Hope to eventually get caught up
and go back and clean things up...
When you get a chance doc you'll enjoy Bert's J20, kinda like Timex,
well, it's a Jeep and it's white... a few minor differences...
like engine, tranny, wheels, interior, bed, etc... but those are
just minor things really... :-) It's white and it's a Jeep, so it's
the same, right?? :-)
ttyl,
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:25:58 -0500 From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag... It's in the mail... Tim scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net 79 wagon / 63 scout ---------- > From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: RE: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag... > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 10:49 PM > > At 05:04 PM 5/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Just looked around the house and found all 3 articles. If all you out there > >>> would like I copy, let me know. I will fax or mail copies to you.. > >>> > >Tim, > > Man it looks like a flood!, Hey if you want, split your list and send > >some to me and I will send copies out to some of the guys. This is of > >course dependent on you fax getting to me OK! > > > > Jeff Herbst > > 1982 Wagoneer LTD > > Sachse > > What the hey, add me to the list too (don't want to feel left out ya know:) > > Mike Saltsgaver > R5 box 513 > Fairfield Ill, 62837 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:33:33 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: non-fsj
> Unload this stuff and buy a Nikon!!! All problems will cease.
> Joe-
sure, care to buy some nice Zeiss lenses??? 135 f2 and 50 f1.4,
not to mention the Tokina and Yashica glass... I could subsidize my
jeep projects by just selling those two Zeiss lenses... Thank you
Uncle Sam for the PX...
Do you know how to properly pronounce "Nikon"? It's kneecon...
ttyl,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:35:58 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: arm rests...
> Sorry, we're on different wavelengths. I thought you meant the thing
> between the front seats. Doesn't mount under the dash in any way.
> Just sits between the seats with an arm rest that will flip up or
> down.
oh, already have one, er two... I'm looking for the console that
goes under the dash... may require removal of my armrests... Ken's
super has one and it looks great...
thanx anyways... sure hope you decide to come down for the
FSJ-Fest... We'll keep it informal and fun. The main point of it
is to get to meet everyone, take some photos, look over the rigs and
then head off for food and or trails, if interested...
later,
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:30:48 -0500 From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag... The cost of sending this thing out is nothing compared to the ideas and info I get from all of you on this list.... Tim P.s. do you actually think this thing would fit into one of those small envelopes?:) scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net 79 wagon / 63 scout ---------- > From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: RE: AMC 360 hi-torque buildup in 4X4 mag... > Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 12:38 AM > > >> Man it looks like a flood!, > > > > > > Tom, just a thought here since it really does seem like a flood. Since your > shipping what 17 pages? Ya might want to post YOUR address and let everyone > send YOU a 2/stamped self addressed envelope :) > > -jj > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:34:46 -0500 From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: oil This is no joke. I had a 360 sieze up on me from an oil leak on the balancer. It is amazing the look on a persons face as the oil pressure goes from 50 to zero pounds in 5 seconds... Tim scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net 79 wagon / 63 scout ---------- > From: Dean Morgan <dean-at-onyxgroup.com> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: RE: oil > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 6:05 PM > > > > ---------- > From: Sc0[SMTP:jjd-at-flex.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 2:43 PM > To: Multiple recipients of > Subject: oil > > >Is it possible that oil can leak from the cylinder head? > > >After re-sealing the oil pan this seems to be the only likely place that >oil can > >be leaking from. > >And when I searched the engine, this was confirmed with black goo >he end of > >my fingers. > > I had a pretty bad leak around my harmonic balancer. It seems that > 170,000 miles had worn a groove in the shaft were it came through > the timing chain cover. The seal that wraps around the harmonic > balancer shaft hardens up over time and can burn a groove in it. > Mine would'nt leak at idle but gushed out at highway speeds. It > sprayed all over the place so it was hard to tell where it was coming > from, I thought it was the pan also. After I rebuilt the engine > it was still leaking out even with new > seal on it (much to my dismay, I figured I was through with oil leaks!). > I pulled the balancer off and took it to a machine shop, had them > turn it and press a sleeve on it, presto no more leak and only ten bucks! > If your cylinder head was leaking I'd think you have some > other serious problems such as water in your oil or vice versa. > Hope this helps. > > > Dean Morgan > '79 Wagoneer > Washington D.C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:35:18 -0500 From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Tim, please send a copy of the 360 Hi-torque buildup to.... It's in the mail.... Tim scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net 79 wagon / 63 scout ---------- > From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Tim, please send a copy of the 360 Hi-torque buildup to.... > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 2:54 PM > > Chris Enos > 10158 Colima Rd. > Whittier, CA 90603. > > Are you sure about the treat, I'd be more than happy to pay for copying and > mailing. I'll just be happy to have a copy of the full article. :) > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:43:40 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: non-fsj cameras...
> From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
> Subject: Re: cameras (non fsj)
> > A Canon Ae-1 will do just fine...
I had one when they first came out... still had my FTb... the
stupid batteries in the early AE1's would go out all the time... I
was doing some night photography in Switzerland and used up a battery
faster than the film...
> (Or you could be like me and spend the rest of your life looking for
> a lens for a Contax series III camera)
The mm lenses are about as far as I care to go. My MT167 was a nice
camera, but something in it's little brain was scrambled. The 139
appears to be much more robust, solid color and exposure, much like
the old RTS. I may trade my Yashica FRII (el cheapo body) for
another 139, kinda heavy, but still a nice unit...
I've pondered going back to an FTb a couple times... I really liked
my Canon's, except the AE-1.
The glass is what really makes the difference. Those Zeiss lenses
even make a Yashica look like a good camera... :-)
I love just looking into the 135... it's beeeaauuutttiiffulll....
If you drive an FSJ, you might understand... :-)
JB, don't know of any mail order repair shops, but most film/camera
outlets will know of some... Most of them send 'em off to the
factory service centers anyway...
ttyl,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:37:51 -0500 From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Too many pop-tarts? Shoot, my scout is 4800 lbs. and my wagon is 6200 lbs. Some days I'm worried I'll get pulled over for driving on a road with a 3 ton limit :-) scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net 79 wagon / 63 scout ---------- > From: john meister <john-at-> > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Re: Too many pop-tarts? > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 6:00 PM > > And the guys on the FSJ-list give me the raspberries cause I tell 'em > Old Blue weighs in at 5,200 lbs with me and my wife in him when I go > over the scale... My 67 weighed close to 4800... Shoot, all > I've got in the back is a portable floor jack, a High Lift Jack, > about 35 feet of chain, half a case of oil, half a case of cherry > juice, a few spare parts (u-joints, plugs, wires, cap, etc.) and so > on... :-) > > later, > john meister > > > Everyone, > > > > Went to Hollister over the weekend and since the Jeep was already > > packed I thought I'd stop by a public scale to see just how much > > this thing weighed. > > > > Background: > > > > 1989 Wrangler > > 4.2L engine > > NV4500 5-speed > > 35" tires > > Ford 9" rear end > > winch, jack, skidplates, parts and tools out the wazoo > > > > The weight: > > > > Front: 2120 > > Rear: 2700 > > > > Total: 4820 > > > > > > The factory GVWR is 3978 (at least that's what it says on the half > > hard doors I have). I'm almost 1,000 pounds heavier than stock. Just > > think if I were to add a hard-top to the above weight! > > > > PS. The above weight does not include a full cooler, food, clothes > > or my tent. > > > > > > > > Just thought you'd like to know this if you were to ever play a > > trivia game. ;-) > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at- http://www./~john > Snohomish, WA - where JEEPS don't rust, they mold... > http://www./~john/statement.html > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Full Size Jeep Page Editor - http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeep/fsj > Pacific Northwest Regional IFSJA Coordinator > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > >[Back to Top]
Date: 28 May 97 02:42:18 EDT From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re. 360 artic. chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net> writes: >> This is a heat shield which keeps the oil splash from contacting the bottom of the manifold. The bottom becomes very hot due to the heat crossover. The oil that comes into contact with it "burns" & can contaminate your oil. Peel the other shield from the bottom of a stock manifold & notice the charcoal in there. << A stock AMC V-8 (at least all the ones I've seen) have a valley pan/intake gasket AND a tin heat shield riveted to the bottom of the manifold under the exhaust cross over. Both are for the reason Mike describes above. There was quite a lengthy debate on the AMC list on whether the stock gasket/pan was better or the aftermarket intake only gaskets were better. I was planning on using the aftermarket gaskets on my 401 and relying solely on the riveted heat shield to keep the oil from cooking but, the debate convinced me there is less chance of any hassles with the stock pan/gasket. I would guess that it was 2 to 1 in favor of the stock gasket at the end. MAny people reported vac. leak trouble with the aftermarket gaskets. On the other hand, there were at least a few people that said they had experienced vac. leaks with the stock gasket that the aftermarket gaskets cured. -- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 27-May-1997 at 22:29:10 PDT !^NavFont01F0009MGoHGxHKJAB9B[Back to Top]
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:49:13 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: the engine articles...
> Subject: Re: dynatrac web site
>
> Doc,
> I have all 3 articles on the 360 build-up if you would like to scan
> them
> into the site for everybody to see. Send me a fax # or address to
> get them to you. (I'll pick up postage)
>
> Tim Johnson
I can scan them and convert them into text. Why don't we see if we
can get permission to place a copy on the web from the author, in
which case I can do the OCR thing and send a copy to doc as well.
The axle web article is great too... Sheesh... I need to write some
letters making the request for a couple things out of Four Wheeler
too... I'd say we stand a good chance of getting permission, at
least on doc's site... they might have a problem with ORC and all,
but then again, I could put stuff like that on my personal page
too... if we can get permission.
We need to be careful what we put up, even on private sites.
We can quote passages if we duly reference where it came from, but
entire articles.... cringe...
ttyl,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:51:20 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: 64 J-30...
> From: Dan Matheny <dmatheny-at-mutoh.com>
> Subject: '64 Jeep J-30 (300?)
>
> Anybody out there interested in this truck? I saw an ad over the
> weekend for a '64 Jeep truck. I called on it, thinking it might be
> a Willys, but the guy said it is a Jeep J-30 or 300. He said it
> looks like a M-715. He said it's complete except for the engine,
> and has some rust. He wants $150 for all or ? for parts.
I'd love to have the bed for a trailer... but the UPS bill from AZ
to WA would be a killer...
I had a 65 J-200, stepside, camo treatment... ugly as sin...
sounds like a good deal for someone in AZ...
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[Back to Top]Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:59:01 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-fest #2, the Canadian Guests...
From:
> Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
> Subject: Re: Eddie May Put Toe
> Over Border When is this again? What I might be able to do is drop
> the wife off at her sisters (PoCo), follow you down, camp at Johns,
July 5th, Saturday...
PoCo???
> come back up and get her and head home. She would rather spend the
> time with her nephew than me :-(.
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Gee, I'd have to drive 8 hours more than you with a
> 360. Just thought I'd mention that. ;-)
where are you up there???
Are you in BC?
hope to see you... should I check into available camping? there's a
place in Snohomish that might be nice... Everett has lots of
reasonable hotels now that the Navy Home Port is here... never
noticed 'em before... :-)
I'm not a camper so I'm not sure what's available around here... I
know there's plenty of stuff like that available up on the Mountain
Loop Road up from Granite Falls, about 25 miles from here or so...
Let me know if I need to do some discovery work... I'm sure there
will be stuff within a reasonable distance...
later,
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:02:34 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: NOW there's a GREAT FSJ idea... :-)
> I still have my Canon FTb. A bit battered... but still functional.
> What I should do is put some film into it and take a picture of my
> Jeep.
>
> Tim Cowden
> '67 Wagoneer
Tim,
That's a splendid idea. Not only will you see your 67 on two web
sites, but you'll also be the individual on record as tying the
non-fsj thread into an FSJ thread... BRAVO!
what color is your 67 or are you going to make me wait for the
pictures??? :-)
My first 4x4 was a 67 Wag... (I know I can get a rise out of Ken if
I describe the color as I used to before I was enlightened... the
official name was Indian Ceramic... but the folks up here always
referred to it (incorrectly) as salmon... :-) However, I know
better now...
later,
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:06:21 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: oil leaks
> From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
> Subject: oil
>
> Is it possible that oil can leak from the cylinder head?
>
yes.
you've got oil going up through the head to the valve assembly...
however, the more likely scenario is the valve covers or the intake
manifold, both would make the head look like it's leaking...
....Where the intake manifold meets the heads...
that's where Old Blue was leaking, that and up by the timing cover...
most of that has stopped once the bolts were tightened.....
later,
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:32:55 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: PNW FSJ-Fest # 2 status report (5/27/97)
So far here's the score:
SEVEN confirmed, 5 maybes, 3 no contacts yet... 1 no
Brad (Portland, OR), with or without his FSJ yes
Roti, yes -- Alise, yes -- David K (Idaho), yes
Wallace R (Idaho), yes -- Bill M. (Wenatchee) yes
Eddie, quite likely -- Gordon, possibly -- Bert G. (CA?) maybe
Ron, ron??? Allan, allen???
Bryan Niese (haven't called yet...)
Joe, we'll see...
a couple FSJ fans local off of the list... not confirmed yet
Mick, no :-( (long drive...)
Man, we could have ONE COOL CONVOY... :-) Maybe we could do an FSJ
parade... :-)
When this many FSJ types and minds get together, who knows... :-)
Tentative Schedule: (key word, tentative)
-----------------------------
early arrivers can meet at John's in Snohomish (right off of
State Route 9, very easy to find) 8am or so...
Gather at a convenient scenic place around 10 am for photos and
story swapping - I'm thinking someplace with enough room to park,
and something with the Mountains as a backdrop. I've got to think
about his a bit and scout it out... also depends on the food of
choice...
Move to an eatery (pizza, a resturaunt?, fast food, picnic?
what's YOUR choice? From other events it's always nice to sit down
around a big table and chat... Alfies is a local pizza place with
large rooms that we can reserve for no charge and the pizza and
salads are good, reasonable too... and it's only about 5 miles from
my house...)
More pictures and then off to a trail, Olympic 4x4 (if open) or other
sight-seeing ... all dependent on the weather.
If clear I'd like to suggest a run up to the top of Mt. Pilchuck.
It can be done with a normal car... (well, not recommended...) some
spur roads off the main forest service road for the thrill and mud
seekers - and incredible views. Up on top there is a hike up to the
peak where an old ski shelter is... We'll pass plenty of white
water and woods. The Big Four Ice Caves is just up the road a ways
and an interesting mile hike up to the glacier.
The nice thing about going up there is we can make the run as late as
3 pm and still be back on the highway well before dark... Or we
could loiter on top and watch a first class sunset, providing we have
sun that day... :-) Since this is after the 4th of July, the
weather will probably be ok... it usually breaks into summer right
around this time every year... hopefully... maybe...
The main event will be the 10 am gathering and loitering, then a
lunch and then whatever strikes up our interests. There should be
enough locals there to guide those interested in seeing some of the
other sites.
The main determining factor will be the weather. If it's clear then
we should head for the hills to enjoy the views, if it's not, then
maybe a run up to Spada Lake through the Sultan Basin will give us a
chance to play in some great puddles and steep hills...
Lots of possibilities. I know if we plan a schedule that it won't
work... Chances are quite good that we'll all sit around and BS all
day in one spot, and hey, there ain't nothing wrong with that
either... right? I'd rather leave it open and let you guys know
that we've got some great options available, or we can do nothing at
all... either way, I'm sure it's gonna be great!!!
later,
john meister
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:35:14 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: (Fwd) What's New? at ORC for week of 5/27/97
they can't keep up with me... and I'm behind... sheesh... :-)
john
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* Full Size Jeep
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* SODA Series kicks off in Lake Geneva
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* FLOFIT seats
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* SA PRO-2 Review
It's a good idea to be sure your legal while riding in the Forest
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:53:55 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Tuff FSJ Material]
> John,
> what do you think about the track widths of the FSJ's?
> Marc
I think they're JUST right... :-)
or were you looking for a more specific answer? :-)
like as in 108.7 in wheelbase, 183.5 overall length,
front tread of 59.4, rear tread 57.8 inches
and the wide tracks at 65.4/62.3 inches.
Overall Height about 66.7 inches (1980 specs) widetracs 75.6 inches,
front/rear overhang 27.9/44.9 inches,
approach/departure angles 30/21 degrees,
ground clearance 8.25 inches (w/225r75's) clearance on oil pan 15.25
inches, xfr case 13.0 inches.
Max capacity, 95 cu ft.
Turning radius 37.7 (widetracks 39.4) (Ah HA!!!!)
remember these numbers varied year to year... noticed that for the
81's the approach angle is 31 degrees... :-)
ttyl,
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 01:13:44 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: the facts...
> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:03:13 -0700
> From: Tom Anhalt <tanhalt-at-earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: K&N vs. AMSOIL
>
> John & Doc, I've got a question for you two guys. I've never seen a
> comparison of air flow for these 2 filters. In my oft quoted
> "Performance with Economy" book, they show a comparison of various
> filter's air flow numbers (CFM at a given pressure differential).
> They even show that a DIRTY K&N flows better than most CLEAN paper
> elements. It also shows that the most restrictive type of element is
> made from foam. From what I understand, isn't the AMSOIL filter
> foam? Have you guys ever seen a comparison of flows for these two?
> Without hard data like this I would have a hard time using a foam
> element filter knowing that it's restrictive. Just curious really,
> when I finally purchase my much lusted after MPI kit, it will come
> with a neat little K&N filter in the kit. ;-)
>
>
> Tom Anhalt
> '81 Cherokee Laredo
AMSOIL was kind enough to do a laboratory test of a paper elements, a
K&N and an AMSOIL filter...
I will scan the chart in the next few days and post it on my personal
page.
They conducted a test that measured the restriction in inches of
water over minutes into the test. I'm not sure what they used for
the contaminant, I believe it might have been carbon black, or just
dust, I'd have to watch the video again. What they did was measure
the time it took to reach 5 inches of water.
The results:
MINUTES TO REACH 5" H20:
Motorvator (MPA-12) paper - 10.0 minutes
K&N (E-1500) oil-wetted gauze - 10.8 minutes
Fram (CA326) paper - 19.2 minutes
AMSOIL (LTF-31) the "base model" - 28.4 minutes
AMSOIL (TS-31) TWO STAGE - 37.3 minutes
I have a video somewhere on the test as well... It's a standard ASTM
type test conducted also by an independent laboratory. Easily
verified... This data is solid, no marketing hype or specmanship
where they take one little aspect and blow it all out of
proportion...
I'll scan the data sheet in and put it on my page and let you know
when I do... They have other information about how and why it does
so well... I've been an AMSOIL dealer since 1983, and the ONLY
reason is because of these Air Filters, they are SUPERB. A lot less
money for a lot more filter than K&N... and a whole lot easier to
maintain. If you compare the two filters side by side, which I
have, and you take the K&N over the AMSOIL filter there is
something wrong with your analysis... The K&N's scare me, I'd
rather go with a paper unit... I'll see if I can find the data
that shows what PASSES through a filter after it gets loaded up.
It's probably in the video where you can see what gets through the
filters though, not very quantifiable. When I had a K&N, because
I had no choice, I wrapped it with AMSOIL filter material and
maintained it instead of the K&N... :-)
I can't speak to the water issue, cause it's not a issue for me, but
the logic seems to me to be that the foam will provide much more
protection than the gauze material... I do know there is a very
tight seal provided, as anybody that's ever seen an AMSOIL filter
will attest to.
ttyl,
john
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