FSJ-List-Digest-344

Thursday, May 29, 1997 6:16:11 PM

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 00:08:05 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: really confused...

> Subject: Re: Super Ken's Super
> > DID...have an AMC 327!! acutally its an 350, but for smogg
> purposes, its listed as a GM 327!!! :)
>> William S. McBride wrote:
>> > I thought Ken had an AMC 327.
>

I'm so confused...   no, I won't ask...   It's fine, I just figured 
out that it's not pink, not salmon, not weak tomato soup, but 
actually called INDIAN CERAMIC...   I'll stay at that level... :-)

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 97 00:09:38 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: vehicle weight




> So when I say Old Blue tips the scale at 5,200lbs, that's with the
> ballast and maybe a big mac or two... :-)
>
> john

mebbe I should go look again, but right after I
bought rufus, when I took it to emissions
it listed the wieght of the vehicle as 52-something
and the only load it has was me and I am not a
large person. the gvw is 6025.
Alisa


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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 00:09:47 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: paper or plastic?

> From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
> Subject: Re: the facts...
> 
> gee, i use the fran 326 in the Super!!
> 
> > MINUTES TO REACH 5" H20:
> > 
> > Motorvator (MPA-12) paper              - 10.0 minutes
> > K&N (E-1500) oil-wetted gauze       - 10.8 minutes
> > Fram (CA326) paper                          - 19.2 minutes
> > AMSOIL (LTF-31) the "base model" - 28.4 minutes
> > AMSOIL (TS-31) TWO STAGE           - 37.3 minutes
> > 

At least it scored better than the K&N... :-)

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 00:12:10 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: ken needs the shaft...

> Date:  Wed, 28 May 1997 17:44:12 -0700
> From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
> Subject: HELP! TH400 Ouput Shaft Needed!
> 
> Afternoon all-
> 
> Say....
> 
> Would any of you happen to have the output shaft for a TH400
> transmission that couples to the Jeep Quadratrac? I seem to have
> chewed the splines off of mine......  ~8^{
> 
> Thanks LARGE !!!
> 
> -Ken

Ken

Olympic 4x4 would surely have one or know where to get one...
1.800.752.9979, ask for Dana in Parts, tell 'em John Meister sent 
you...

later,
john
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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 00:58:57 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: quick PNW FSJ fest#2 update

Eddie's coming with Ol' White!!!!
Gord is trying to get clearance for takeoff...

so as it stands now, 2 from Idaho, 1 from Oregon, 1 from BC,
and more than an FSJ load around here...  

THESE ARE GONNA BE SOME VERY COOL AND HISTORIC PHOTOS!!!

(I'm gonna request your patience, I'm gonna take a lot of photos from 
a lot of angles with two or three cameras in order to get the PERFECT 
picture, suitable for framing, scanning or publishing...   I need to 
find a place where all the FSJ's can park with a scenic backdrop and 
a place where I can shoot down....  hmmm...   the Jr. high???   hmmm, 
(gears turning....)

We might contact Guiness and see what the record is for the most 
FSJ's in one place is... :-)

You guys in the LONEstar state are really gonna have to work hard 
to find this many FSJ's...   I suspect that if you deed over an oil 
well or two some of us PNW type FSJ'rs might come down to help ya 
out... :-)   Best wishes on an even BIGGER FSJ gathering down there.
The objective here is visibility to gain aftermarket goodies for our 
rigs... if we can show vendors there is a market, we'll have 
options...

I'm really grateful to be a part of this whole FSJ thing...   what a 
trip.    We've got guys all over the country that will freely send 
parts, info and help all over...   We've got Joe in Indy giving up 
time and going broke shipping decals below cost, we've got Michael in 
Reno dismantling and mailing FSJ's all over the place, we've got 
Super Ken sending videos and other goodies all over, we've got doc 
slaving away on the IFSJA for nothing more than the glory and the 
challenge, we've got folks all over the country that will copy, scan 
or fax everything from pictures to books...  and then there's that 
guy studying MECHANICAL engineering that drove from Coast to Coast... 
killing his wagoneer in the process...  and showing me what a REAL 81 
Wagoneer grille is supposed to look like... :-)

....and then you hear some half-wit newscaster squawking about how 
corrupt and rotten the internet is...    I suppose if you look for 
slime and dirt, you'll find it, but my experience on the internet has 
been wonderful, mainly because of folks like you!!!

"Unto the pure, all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled 
and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even  their mind and conscience 
is defiled."  (Titus 1:15, KJV)

And as I always say, if ignorance is bliss, this place must be 
paradise... :-)

y'all take care, it's time to get a few hours sleep before I go and 
play with the computers in Issaquah...  (setting up a K460, 2 
processors, 768 meg, 100 base T, hp-ux 10.2,  80 gig...(need more, 
more power, arrr,arr, arr(I don't do a very good Tim allen 
impersonation do I? )

john




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Date:  Thu, 29 May 97 01:01:11 PDT
From: "Alisa Mize" <jaamize-at-nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: strange PNW typing patterns...



----------
> > sorry, my tounge got set off it's hinges again:)
>
> seems to be a PNW kind of thing... :-)
>
> how many words a minute can you type???
>
> I've found it much easier using my fingers...  They usually tend to
> slow my brain down...   especially after all the backspacing....
>
> john
 ROTFL I'll have ta try that. using my fingers to type that is.
what a novel idea.


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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 01:04:36 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: the FSJ family...

> idgit doing summat stoopid, then sueing.
> Q.E.D
> Alisa
> (go ahead make my day rip me apart now. I double dog dare
> yah!!!!!!!!)
> 

Alisa, I've noticed an interesting parallel to your writing and that 
of Super Ken's.   It must be an FSJ thing...   

IT is a shame about all the lawsuits...  everyone looking for 
something for nothing... no one is willing to accept responsiblity 
for their own actions.  It doesn't matter that the individual didn't 
seek to harm or defraud any one...  it's disgusting... 

later,
john
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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 08:09:39 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Brush Paint (Was Great FSJ Idea)

>If you insist.  It's more of a tale of missed opportunity.
>
>A few years ago, my wife was driving the Wagoneer regularly to work.
>The headmistress at the school also drove a '67 Wagoneer.  The other
>Wagoneer was in need of a paint job and the students volunteered.
>I don't know what kind of paint they used, but it was applied with
>brushes.  It didn't look too bad from a distance.

For many years automotive paint *was* applied with brushes.  The stuff was
called DuLux if I'm not mistaken.  With this stuff it took several days for
the factory to paint a car.  However, the paint was excellent.  It went on
thick and was self leveling.  More like smooth Rhino-Lining than todays
ultra thin coatings which do little to protect against dings.  You could
put an impression in it with your fingernail, and the impression would
quickly disappear...

They changed to sprayed paint in the 50's (my dates may be a little off
here), not because it was any better, but because it was a lot faster.  Now
they could paint a car in a few hours and hence, produce a lot more cars.

JB


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 08:22:26 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Canon FTB's for Sale

KEH in Atlanta has 6 chrome FTB's for sale, several in EX condition.
Prices around $165 for the FTB and $200 for the FTBN's.  I've bought
several cameras and several lenses from this outfit, and the condition of
the equipment is always as described.  Their service and return policy is
also excellent.  At any given time they have hundreds of used bodies and
probably a couple of thousand lenses.  Everything from Hasselblad to
Voigtlander and everything in between.

http://www.keh.com  and 1-404-892-5522.

JB


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:02:24 -0500
From: "Ashley Michael" <amichael-at-hiwaay.net>
Subject: AMC 360 Head Question

Hopefully someone on the list can shed a little light on this.

When I was knocking the freeze plugs out of the heads, i noticed a ~1/8"
diameter rod that ran from the front of the head to the rear, through the
watter jacket.  Anybody have any idea about this??  In one head the rod
seemed to be attached at one end.  In the other head, the rod moved freely.
 I am not sore how AMC got the rod in the water jacket, it will not come
out any of the freeze plug holes.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Later,
Ash

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:10:49 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: 360 scanned - wrong version

OK I got page 2 from Tim, thanks Tim! 
 I sent out the WRONG version to about 6 people this morning, you know
who you are, expect an update today. Sorry!

 Jeff Herbst
 1982 Wagoneer LTD
 Texas

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:28:35 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: Radio Gone!

Man I know how Joe felt with the air deflector! Zack got 1st dibbs on
the radio based on the time stamp on his e-mail. It was close!  Anyway
sorry everybody else.

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:32:00 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: List totals

Just a point of trivia, since 3/21/97 when I started directing the
FSJ-List to it's own folder I have 3565 messages. And there were several
days when my e-mail was down due to me and the other tech here using
with the ISDN connection for some internal testing! 

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:37:09 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Re: NOW there's a GREAT FSJ idea... :-)


> >I've been following this saga & haven't a clue what the problems have been.
> >Alisa's posts have always been regular width at my house.  AFter she
> >modified, it is a few words narrower on the right side but not much.
> >
> >Observations from the cornfield,
> >Mike Saltsgaver
> >
> We must be in same cornfield, Alisa's mail has always
> displayed fine here too!
> 
> C'ya
> Joe-

As with me, everything is fine with her posts.
(maybe they are picking on her?)

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:48:03 -0500
From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer)
Subject: Re: AMC 360 Head Question

>Hopefully someone on the list can shed a little light on this.
>
>When I was knocking the freeze plugs out of the heads, i noticed a ~1/8"
>diameter rod that ran from the front of the head to the rear, through the
>watter jacket.  Anybody have any idea about this??  In one head the rod
>seemed to be attached at one end.  In the other head, the rod moved freely.
> I am not sore how AMC got the rod in the water jacket, it will not come
>out any of the freeze plug holes.
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.

Sacrificial electrode maybe?

John Brewer


"Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither."
   Benjamin Franklin



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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:53:34 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: I'll take the email copy...



>
>Jeff, I'd like to see the article for my own personal use... 
>
>please email, and is anybody looking to get permission?   I don't 
>have the time...   
>
John,
 Do you want the individual pages as TIFF or the wrapped .EXE viewer
with all the pages in them? 

>Jeff

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 10:32:01 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: quick PNW FSJ fest#2 update


>
>You guys in the LONEstar state are really gonna have to work hard 
>to find this many FSJ's...   

Does it count if we find a used car lot with a few FSJ's and get them in
the picture also?

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
Texas

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 08:40:29 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Eddie's  Got  A  Green  Light !!

Edwin Pedersen wrote:
 
> Gord in Kelowna,
> 
> If your Mom,  

Hey. I ain't comin if you ain't gonna be nice!!!!

> I mean SO gives you the go ahead to come down
> & play, let me know and we'll meet up. I live in west MR, near
> 203 and Lougheed. You know where the Chrysler + Ford dealerships
> are, and Burger King ?  I am only a few blocks from there.
> We could meet either in MR or PoCo ( Port Coquitlam, for John) <g>
> or any other point that's convenient.  Let me know................
> 
> Cheeky Eddie in Vancouver
> 

How long to get from Maple Ridge to John's? If I head out Friday after
work, I won't hit your area till after 10:00 and probably won't feel
like any more driving. Might have to take a little time off.

Knew a guy who worked at that Ford shop. Sold my wife a Pinto (before we
got married) but is a good friend of her family. 

Probably be best to meet at Coquitlam Centre and the head out number 1.
Besides, you never know, Sue might want to come. Any other SO's going to
be there to talk flowers or how crazy their husbands are to buy Jeeps?
I'm sure Sue would come if a shopping trip was being arranged. Course
this could be a real bad idea. Hmmmm. 

Gord


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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 11:51:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: quick PNW FSJ fest#2 update

In a message dated 97-05-29 11:50:29 EDT, you write:

> >You guys in the LONEstar state are really gonna have to work hard 
>  >to find this many FSJ's...   
>  
>  Does it count if we find a used car lot with a few FSJ's and get them in
>  the picture also?
>  
>  Jeff Herbst
>  1982 Wagoneer LTD
>  Texas
>  
Tell me please, Am I included in the TX/OK chapter ( im in arkansas) there
are some really nice ones cruising around here..

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:51:09 -0600 (MDT)
From: Brian Riggs <Brian.Riggs-at-genetics.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: updated pix???



On Wed, 28 May 1997, john meister wrote:

> > Subject: FSJ Coverage in Four Wheeler
> >
> > The Photographer that took these pics was a freelance and sells the
> > pictures to several magazines so maybe I'll still get picked up
> > somewhere.
> >
> > Brian
>
> Brian, if you have more recent photos, I'll build ya another page,
> your stuff was really interesting...
>
> There is an article about MOAB trail techinques in a 4x4 performance
> rag I picked up the other day...
>
> Ken's got me thinking about getting our stuff in Four Wheeler too...
> Would also give me an opportunity to try my hand at writing a
> magazine article...
>
> ttyl,
> john

John,

I'll get some of the new pix scanned in and sent to you.

Brian


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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 12:48:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: AMC 360 Head Question

At 09:02 AM 5/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hopefully someone on the list can shed a little light on this.
>
>When I was knocking the freeze plugs out of the heads, i noticed a ~1/8"
>diameter rod that ran from the front of the head to the rear, through the
>watter jacket.  Anybody have any idea about this??  In one head the rod
>seemed to be attached at one end.  In the other head, the rod moved freely.
> I am not sore how AMC got the rod in the water jacket, it will not come
>out any of the freeze plug holes.
>
>Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>Later,
>Ash
>
THe rods (or wires) are core reinforcements which keep the sand cores from
breaking during the casting process.  Most come out during the shake out
process but some are too long or get fused into the metal and are stuck.
By design, they're not supposed to be there.  Studebaker engines are
notorious for having lots of wires left in the heads & blocks.

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 11:44:56 -0700
From: "Landen Schooler (the Scotsman)" <skoullar-at-ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: GVW 101

Alisa Mize wrote:
> 
> > Lets try this a different way.......in my 1961 Willys truck I can carry
> > over 2,000lbs and not get a ticket for being over weight.
> I have never heard of a GW being checked for this problem
> wieghed or looked at in suspicion of being overweight
> 

       In Iowa, the DOT folks have portable scales. If they see someone
loaded down (bumper dragging or close to it) they will stop you. If
you're over weight, a BIG fine comes your way.
Landen Schooler




> > The truck sets
> > level and even rides nice. It also has 10 (ten) leaves in each spring
> > pack, stock!
> > Landen Schooler
> I know that we have loaded up my 84 with over 1300 pounds of sand
> a canoe, two over weight friends (I would say about 250lbs on each)
> me (115lbs) my husband (185lbs) plus the two back packs full of food
> that two said friends brought with them<BG> not to mention the tools
> that always were in the jeep and it drove fine.  I will add to be fair, that
> we did add a couple leafs right after we got it.
> Alisa Mize
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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 12:54:09 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Eudora users (non-fsj)


Eudora just relaesed the newest upgrade to 3.0
you can download (4.5 meg) the latest 3.02 at

http://www.qualcomm.com

C'ya
Joe-



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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 13:06:30 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: GVW 101

At 11:44 AM 5/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Alisa Mize wrote:
>> 
>> > Lets try this a different way.......in my 1961 Willys truck I can carry
>> > over 2,000lbs and not get a ticket for being over weight.
>> I have never heard of a GW being checked for this problem
>> wieghed or looked at in suspicion of being overweight
>> 
>
>       In Iowa, the DOT folks have portable scales. If they see someone
>loaded down (bumper dragging or close to it) they will stop you. If
>you're over weight, a BIG fine comes your way.
>Landen Schooler
>
Same in Indiana...they can fine you up to a $1 per pound that
you're overweight (your truck that is :-))  "if" the fine excees
the value of the truck, they can and will take the truck!

Several years ago I had 4200 of gravel on my j-10...hmmmm
I was lucky.

C'ya






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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:01:14 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Assembly lube?

>think we'll just turn down the existing valves because having a new set made
>would take quite awhile. But, this engine is not going to be done this year
>so...?
>
> -- Michael Baxter

Michael,
Since your motor is apart and seemingly will be for awhile yet: once you've
got the machine work done on the block etc and the new guts in or at least
on the way, what did you use to keep rust etc from forming while the engine
is apart so long? I'm sure you're using assembly lube on the installed
parts as you go but what about long term protection for an
unassembled/uninstalled motor? Maybe not a prob in Reno huh? I'll be doing
a slooow rebuild of a 258 this winter, any tips for someone in the wet
northwest? I was just planning on covering everything w/motor oil but if it
takes me a year too.. then I'm not so confident with that plan. I will use
assembly lube on the internal stuff though.
Bout 25 years ago I rebuilt a 235 in a 53 chevy and never heard of assembly
lube so I used STP. Man I drug that old chevy for miles...trying to get it
to roll over :)

Thanks,
-jj


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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:20:56 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: More AMC 20

At 02:06 29-05-97 EDT, you wrote:
>I don't know if the following applies to Model 20s in the '80 & up FSJs or
>not? If it does, it means people like John planning a ring & pinion swap also
>need new carriers. I always thought the AMC 20's cut-off was around 3.73?
>

3.73 or 3.54 is the cut-off for a D30. I've got 3.54's in an amc 20 and
going to 4.10's w/o a carrier change. (1982)
Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 10:15:55 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Thought for the day...

If a man says something in a forest... and there isn't a woman around to
hear it, is it wrong?

-jj

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 09:17:11 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: GVW

>> Lets try this a different way.......in my 1961 Willys truck I can carry
>> over 2,000lbs and not get a ticket for being over weight.
>I have never heard of a GW being checked for this problem
>wieghed or looked at in suspicion of being overweight
>Alisa Mize

It all depends on where you live as to how picky the local cops are.
Usually they don't bother vehicles like wags, mostly just pick ups. In
eastern WA in the 70's they would pull a pick up over if it didn't have a
Gross weight sticker visible on each side of the rig. Even the little toy
trucks had to have 'em (4000gvw).
Some people put 8000gvw signs on a 1/2 ton rather than 6000 but if a cop
stopped you, you'd better have it licensed as a 3/4 ton (more expensive tabs).
Most of this came about from people hauling fire wood with seriously
overloaded trucks.

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 13:23:55 -0700
From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net>
Subject: Re: Question on AXLES

At 10:28 PM 5/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Ok how about a ballpark figure on a:
>
>Dana 60
>Dana 70
>Dana 80
>
>And used if possible..
>
>
Dana 60 depends on where you findem...I pay 70.00 at the most.
Dana 70 If you can find it...I payed 125.00 for one with a broke axle.
Dana 80....LOL GOOD LUCK!!!!!USED ANYWAY!!Not the foggiest.

I do have a NV4500 from a 2wd Cummins diesel I'll let go though.
ANYBODY INTERESTED???????????800.00 includes shipping most anywhere.
Billy
79J10




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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 12:41:26 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re:  too many pop tarts


	WAY too many pop tarts....  axle weights ALWAYS add up to WAY more than
actual vehicle weight...

	example:  last time Timex was weighed:

	front axle: 3079 lbs.
	rear axle: 4103 lbs.

	total 7183  yeah, right....


	actual weight, both axles on scale:  5337 lbs.

	that XJ probably weighed about 3200-3600 lbs as a guess.

	BTW...  4800 lbs would probably break an XJ in half.

	so, John, tell yer buddy he's WAY off, will ya?

>------------------------------
>Date:  Tue, 27 May 1997 23:00:00 +0000
>From: "john meister" <john-at->
>Subject: Re: Too many pop-tarts?
>
>And the guys on the FSJ-list give me the raspberries cause I tell 'em 
>Old Blue weighs in at 5,200 lbs with me and my wife in him when I go 
>over the scale...    My 67 weighed close to 4800...    Shoot, all 
>I've got in the back is a portable floor jack, a High Lift Jack, 
>about 35 feet of chain, half a case of oil, half a case of cherry 
>juice, a few spare parts (u-joints, plugs, wires, cap, etc.) and so 
>on... :-)
>
>later,
>john meister
>
>> Everyone,
>> 
>> Went to Hollister over the weekend and since the Jeep was already
>> packed I thought I'd stop by a public scale to see just how much
>> this thing weighed.
>> 
>> Background:
>> 
>> 1989 Wrangler
>> 4.2L engine
>> NV4500 5-speed
>> 35" tires
>> Ford 9" rear end
>> winch, jack, skidplates, parts and tools out the wazoo
>> 
>> The weight:
>> 
>> Front: 2120
>> Rear:  2700
>> 
>> Total: 4820
>> 
>> 
>> The factory GVWR is 3978 (at least that's what it says on the half
>> hard doors I have). I'm almost 1,000 pounds heavier than stock. Just
>> think if I were to add a hard-top to the above weight!
>> 
>> PS. The above weight does not include a full cooler, food, clothes
>> or my tent.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just thought you'd like to know this if you were to ever play a
>> trivia game. ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> 

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 15:41:15 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Poor, poor Alisa...

>
>Hey Alisa,
>How come all your text is just on the left side of the page? ;)

	Gee, guys, she FINALLY fingered out how to fit her lines on one computer
screen, and now y'all're picking on her for THAT?!?!

	Good job!  She deserves it!

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 15:44:57 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re:  now THERE'S a great FSJ idea

>I've been following this saga & haven't a clue what the problems have been.
>Alisa's posts have always been regular width at my house.  AFter she
>modified, it is a few words narrower on the right side but not much.
>
>Observations from the cornfield,
>Mike Saltsgaver

	Aw, c'mon, Mike, quit being a spoil sport....  we're having fun picking on
Alisa!

	Oh, and for her benefit....  everything's always looked fine to me, too...
 but like I'm gonna let THAT keep me from participating in the great
FSJ-List project of May 1997?  Besides, if we weren't picking on Alisa,
we'd be picking on John!  <snicker>

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 13:35:03 -0700
From: billy dunn <dunns-at-csra.net>
Subject: Re: FSJ Coverage in Four Wheeler

At 10:54 AM 5/28/97 -0600, you wrote:
>The July issue of Four Wheeler just came out and as pictures of the Easter
>Jeep Safari in Moab. There is one page called "Full Size Flex" that is
>pictures of some of My club. Unfortunately I was DEEENIIIEEED!!! =8(
>
>However, The Two other FSJs in my club both made it including Miles in the
>"Griswold Family Truckster", and both of them had the FSJ stickers on
>their trucks courtesy of me. =8)
>
>The Photographer that took these pics was a freelance and sells the
>pictures to several magazines so maybe I'll still get picked up somewhere.
>
>Brian
>
Excellent coverage on the FSJs I loved em!!!!Bout time we are heard and not
left in the shadows like a throwaway.......Yall know what Im talking
about....When you are talking about something and someone asks..."What kind
of truck do you have?"and you say"A JEEP"
and they take it for granted that you have a dreadful CJ.....It happens when
I order parts to.
Oh well enough we are finally getting some publicity and Im glad.
Thanks,Billy




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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 13:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-mail.telis.org>
Subject: Re: 67 Jeep parts

At 04:34 PM 5/27/97 -0700, you wrote:
>ok the trany that is the 3spd manual, does he no
>if it is the t14 t15 t85 or t89??? top shift or 
>side shift???
>
>TIA
>
Sorry, he doesn't want to sell the 3 spd - wants to get rid of the auto and
adaptor.
My mistake - he was telling me about all these parts he had and I assumed
they were all for sale.
sorry
mick


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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 16:00:00 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Thought for the day...

At 10:15 AM 5/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>If a man says something in a forest... and there isn't a woman around to
>hear it, is it wrong?
>
>-jj
>
probably..........
according to women
:-)

Joe-



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Date:  Thu, 29 May 97 17:02:05 -0400
From: Phil_Horton-at-avid.com
Subject: NE FSJ get-together

Just a quick note to the full list.  The first ever/not to be missed
(and certianly not to be outdone) NE FSJ get-together is goin happen
this Sun (6/1) at the Barre Falls Dam recreation area in Hubbardston MA.
Hubbardston is in east/central Mass - northwest of Worcester.  We'll be
bringing a full flock of the beasts together, getting aquatinted,
trading war stories, munching down BBQ, and maybe exploring some of the
back roads 'n trails in the area.  We're planning on gathering the flock
around 1 in the afternoon.

If you haven't been contacted off list by Steve Levine (NE FSJ
coordinator) and would like to participate please contact Steve at
yinadril-at-juno.com or me at phil_horton-at-avid.com.  We can provide
directions 'n stuff.

Should be a great time.  We'll get some group shots for the sites.
  
BYOW(rench)

take care

Phil Horton
phil_horton-at-avid.com
'88 Grand Wagoneer (BBQ transportation device)



       

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 14:10:17 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: now THERE'S a great FSJ idea

> 
>         Oh, and for her benefit....  everything's always looked fine to me, too...
>  but like I'm gonna let THAT keep me from participating in the great
> FSJ-List project of May 1997?  Besides, if we weren't picking on Alisa,
> we'd be picking on John!  <snicker>
> 

And I thought we were gonna start picking on you for making all yours
posts 25 lines longer than they need be!!

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 14:29:13 -0500
From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Assembly lube?

Done lots of motors, and have lots of parts lying around, the best tip I
got was to lightly coat the part with wd-40. When you get around to
assembly just wipe the part down. Since it is soluable in motor oil it's
great for long term storage of parts....

Tim
scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net
79 wagon / 63 scout

----------
> From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com>
> Subject: Assembly lube?
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 11:01 AM
> 
> >think we'll just turn down the existing valves because having a new set
made
> >would take quite awhile. But, this engine is not going to be done this
year
> >so...?
> >
> > -- Michael Baxter
> 
> Michael,
> Since your motor is apart and seemingly will be for awhile yet: once
you've
> got the machine work done on the block etc and the new guts in or at
least
> on the way, what did you use to keep rust etc from forming while the
engine
> is apart so long? I'm sure you're using assembly lube on the installed
> parts as you go but what about long term protection for an
> unassembled/uninstalled motor? Maybe not a prob in Reno huh? I'll be
doing
> a slooow rebuild of a 258 this winter, any tips for someone in the wet
> northwest? I was just planning on covering everything w/motor oil but if
it
> takes me a year too.. then I'm not so confident with that plan. I will
use
> assembly lube on the internal stuff though.
> Bout 25 years ago I rebuilt a 235 in a 53 chevy and never heard of
assembly
> lube so I used STP. Man I drug that old chevy for miles...trying to get
it
> to roll over :)
> 
> Thanks,
> -jj
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 14:54:13 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: paper or plastic?

huh?!?!?!, i thot these test were like golf! the lower the score
the better the result!!??

> > > MINUTES TO REACH 5" H20:
> > >
> > > Motorvator (MPA-12) paper              - 10.0 minutes
> > > K&N (E-1500) oil-wetted gauze       - 10.8 minutes
> > > Fram (CA326) paper                          - 19.2 minutes
> > > AMSOIL (LTF-31) the "base model" - 28.4 minutes
> > > AMSOIL (TS-31) TWO STAGE           - 37.3 minutes
> > >
> 
> At least it scored better than the K&N... :-)
> 
-- 
 ********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
  Sincerely
  kenneth e. wetherall             If a Wagoneer can go
                                where a CJ can go, then it's
  kenns-at-concentric.net              a Super Wagoneer

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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 17:42:55 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: RE: waaaay too many pop-tarts, and not enough sleep


	A clarification of my previous message regarding weights, if y'all
please...  a couple of things, actually.  First off, I took a look at the
address where Timex was weighed then, and remembered that the scale sits
below grade there, so the individual axle weights were higher due to weight
transfer, not being level.  It was at a recycling yard, and the yard
pavement was about six inches higher than the scale, if memory serves.

	Found a weight ticket from when I made a dump run out in Phoenix, the
scale there is level with grade, I think, but didn't get axle readings, so
it doesn't matter...  with toolboxes, ladder rack, and the discarding
remnants of the contents of my parents' garage, she clocked in at 5957 lbs.
 Found a couple from the dump here in Borelando, one with axle readings,
one without.  The one without I think was when I was hauling cinder
block...  lots of cinder block...  6736 lbs!  One from god only knows when,
it's faded so bad I can't read the date, but it does have axle readings...
5302 total, 2615 front, 2687 rear, so they do add up, if the scale is level
with grade, as it is here.  I don't even know for sure if that's from
Timex, it could have even been with another truck;  I have no idea how old
that weight ticket is.

	So, John, sorry for getting your blood pressure up <grin>, and sorry for
the misinformation, guys.  My boo-boo.  

	Would y'all believe I actually got out of bed and rummaged around my
office files till I found these tickets, because it was driving me nuts,
thinking about it?  True....

	And now that that's cleared up, I'm going back to bed...  gotta work
tonight, as usual...  but I'm off tomorrow (Friday) night!  First Friday
night I've EVER had off with this company (3 1/2 years, minus the two
months I was consulting earlier this year)!

	<yawn>


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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 15:20:04 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 67 Jeep parts

$%&^#%$$ :(

> Sorry, he doesn't want to sell the 3 spd - wants to get rid of the auto and
> adaptor.
> My mistake - he was telling me about all these parts he had and I assumed
> they were all for sale.
> sorry
> mick
> 

-- 
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  kenneth e. wetherall             If a Wagoneer can go
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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 16:37:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Assembly lube?

> Michael,
> unassembled/uninstalled motor? Maybe not a prob in Reno huh? I'll be doing
> a slooow rebuild of a 258 this winter, any tips for someone in the wet
> northwest? 

I'm not Michael but I would recomend "Marvel Miracle oil" (or something 
like that) It is in a red and black can... works well to protect for 
the duration and helps lube the parts for firing...



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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 17:58:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-mail.telis.org>
Subject: email bounced

Hey SuperKen,
        your email address, <kenns-at-concentric.net> keeps bouncing my mail to
you.
Anyway regarding the SupercenCA Supermeet, i have a few questions:
can you camp overnight? any facilities?
Any ideas when to go?

If anyone else wants to get in on this, speak (or type) now.
Mick
NOT the reg cord for anywhere, where is K.Striech anyway?





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Date:  Thu, 29 May 1997 18:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Shopping List

   Henry...  Due to the failure of a valued tool, I'm going to ahve to
   replace it (~$80) in the next month, so the radiator and other parts
   that don't have to do with appearance take priority.  I'm waiting
   on some measurements from a fellow on a radiator he has, and I just
   found out that one of the local yards MIGHT have one.

   You've got my list, so PLEASE keep an eye open and feel free to
   put a list of what you have (from my list) together along with
   prices, and I'm SURE I'll be able to start thinking about those
   items again in th near future.

   Most of what I'm looking at now (other than the radiator) is store
   bought stuff (ie battery cabling, secondary wiring, elect-fan,
   hoses, and the like)...
  
   >Do you still need many items on your list? With Ole Bessy's axle
   >upgrades nearing completion I will have time to check for those
   >items.

All the Best,
                Bruce * kb6lwn * ck1-at-pacbell.net * 707-987-4737

... 1970 Jeep Wagoneer (1414C) V8-350 4WD "Pinecone"

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