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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 11:39:20 -0500
From: Jeff Herbst <JeffHerbst-at-electrosys.com>
Subject: RE: Re. 360 artic.-hear riser valve



>riser valve in the exhaust? 
>
> Heck, I got rid of that thing years ago. I got tired of it cracking and me
>having to replace it for $70 on a college student's budget. Having a
>leak-free
>exhaust system is important (in a life or death sort of way) in the COLD
>North. I didn't notice any difference with or without it.
>
 Mike,
 What did you replace it with? A doughnut gasket like on the other side?
I'. having a terrible time getting mine (new, now $85!) no to leak when
cold. It sounds terrible 1st thing in the morning, but shuts up after
fully warmed up.

Jeff Herbst
1982 Wagoneer LTD
>Texas

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 12:48:53 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: a HA!  Carter BBD secrets revealed!


	Woe be unto us with the infamous feedback BBD carb...  prone to running
lean, puking  off-road, running lean, stumbling on severe hills, running
lean, etc....  but THERE'S HOPE!

	Whilst perusing the web this morning, searching for perhaps some
manufacturer's guidance, I came upon a few interesting tidbits...
<http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/august/techtips.htm> for one...  Tech Tips
for the feedback BBD.  It describes how to set idle mixture.  You see, the
manuals tell you to disconnect the connector to the stepper motor, but they
DON'T tell you that the position of the stepper motor makes a difference!
I didn't know this till I happened upon this page.  Basically, it describes
how you can tell by looking down the throat of the carb the position of the
metering pins of the stepper motor, and how they need to be mid-positioned,
or toward the rear of the carb, in order to correctly set the idle mixture.
 I didn't know that!  Unfortunately, it also makes reference to a diagram
(picture) of the metering pins, and how to tell where they are by that, but
this particular page doesn't include the picture.

	I also came upon a quickie exhaust gas analyzer!  For ANY engine!  And
those with the feedback carb, which already have O2 sensors, already have
half what you need!  The only thing else you need is a decent
high-impedance digital voltmeter, say of 2v range.  Details are at
<http://alicudi.usc.edu/~jan/vw/Engine/ExhaustAnalyzer>
What you do is disconnect the feedback carb connector, then take voltage
readings at the O2 sensor, and adjust mixture as required.  If only I still
had my digital voltmeter...  <pout>.

	More good stuff is out there....  I found this stuff by searching Yahoo
with CARTER+BBD as the search string.

	Point is...  Timex seems to be making a nice recovery now!  Oh, regarding
the metering pins...  to move mine back, what I did was disconnect the O2
sensor, then fire her up (with the feedback connector connected), that
moved the pins back, tweaked the mixture screws and now she finally idles
(most of the time).  I still have to replace the "solevac", and it turns
out the EGR valve has a rotten diaphragm, too, so I guess I'm supposed to
replace that.  As long as she runs and doesn't ping, then I personally
don't think it's worth the $65.00 or so, at least not right now...  there
are many more important things on Timex that have been broken for a LOT
longer...  like the transfer case...  and the tranny....  so kronk the EPA!
 <grin>.  

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 09:42:23 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: '84 J10 Advice

At 07:19 30-05-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Found an '84 J10 for sale about 45 minutes from my home.  Probably going to
>go look at it this afternoon or tomorrow.  What do I need to be attentive
>to on an '84 model in addition to the normal FSJ problems (no floorboards,
>etc.).  Does this model have Quadra-Trac or Selec-Trac?  

It should have the np208(2.6:1) part-time x-case as standard. The
selctrac(2.6:1) was an option though. R&P will be 2.73 or the optional 3.31

If you're in an area where rigs rust pretty bad, check the tailgate, they
seem to be getting hard to find.

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 09:48:42 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: ETA-  Belligham TO  Snowhomish ?

>O.K. Where the heck is Snohomish? If it 2 - 3 hours East of Bellingham,
>than I'll head straight south and meet Eddie at John's. If it's south of
>Bellingham, I'll meet up with Eddie.
>
>Gord
>

Gord,
Let me jump in here for John since he's in the digest mode. Snohomish is
about 10 miles east of Everett on Hwy 2.

-jj


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 09:59:35 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: 4x4

>>Gord
>>
>Ahhh, the joys of owning a full time 4x4 :-)
>switch what??
>

Com'on Joe, your not getting too old to move a lever are ya?
Feel bad for me, I'm older than you and have locking hubs, I have to
actually GET OUT of the truck sheesh. It's ok though, cause I rest up a
little afterwards before driving on ;)

-jj

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 13:06:35 -0400
From: Dean Morgan <dean-at-onyxgroup.com>
Subject: RE: AMC 360 Head Question



----------


>Hopefully someone on the list can shed a little light on this.

>When I was knocking the freeze plugs out of the heads, i noticed a >~1/8"
>diameter rod that ran from the front of the head to the rear, through the
>watter jacket.  Anybody have any idea about this??  In one head the >rod
>seemed to be attached at one end.  In the other head, the rod moved >freely.
> I am not sore how AMC got the rod in the water jacket, it will not >come
>out any of the freeze plug holes.

For what its worth I noticed the same thing when I was rebuilding
my '79 360.  The guy who did my machine work gave me an 
explanation but I can't remember what it was, he said it was normal.

Dean Morgan
'79 Wagoneer
Washington D.C.




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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 10:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-mail.telis.org>
Subject: Re: Shopping List

At 06:04 PM 5/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>   Most of what I'm looking at now (other than the radiator) is store
>   bought stuff (ie battery cabling, secondary wiring, elect-fan,
>   hoses, and the like)...
>  
if you need a rad, the '67 j truck a local was parting has an original
radiator in good (he claims)
condition....
is there a difference between those years (he has a 327 motor)?

mick


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 10:09:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-mail.telis.org>
Subject: Re: email bounced

At 06:20 PM 5/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>read the bottom of my emails!!!
>
 kenns-at-concentric.net is at the bottom of your email!

>yes there is overnight camping and flush toilets at hollister.
>the only best time is to thrust out a date and
>c if so many people can makeit instead of saying to all:

>
>what time is a good time, lest say the 7/4 weekend.
>we can have our own calnev fsj fest the same time john and
>the rest r having their PNW fest!!!

Only prob is, now I find I'm been sent to NJ for that week - don't know for
sure yet
er, Kronk (sorry doc)
>
>why dont we do that, we just announce that the CalNev IFSJA is having
>their own fest on the weekend of the 4th of july at 
>holister hills SRVA, and see what kind of reaction we get.
cool, do it.
c'mon guys, get involved!
regards
mick


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 12:56:01 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Arkansas

>Tell me please, Am I included in the TX/OK chapter ( im in arkansas) there
>are some really nice ones cruising around here..

	methinks by the present definition, Arkansas is included in the SE
chapter, but it's an awful long way from Arkansas to Florida...  might make
more sense to be either TX/OK or maybe even Midwest?

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 13:01:28 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: now THERE'S a great FSJ idea...

>And I thought we were gonna start picking on you for making all yours
>posts 25 lines longer than they need be!!

	Like nobody's ever tried that before...  <grin>.  Heck, John and I both
used to take up damn near entire digests with one message...  now John does
it with thirty!  <laugh>

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 13:13:02 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: Red River Valley chapter


	sounds good to me

>A motion and a second have been made to:
>
>1) Incorporate Arkansas and Louisiana into
>   the TX/OK Chapter of the IFSJA.
>
>2) Change the title of said chapter to the
>    Red River Valley Chapter IFSJA


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 12:59:17 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: NV4500

>I do have a NV4500 from a 2wd Cummins diesel I'll let go though.
>ANYBODY INTERESTED???????????800.00 includes shipping most anywhere.


	How much, and how soon?????

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 12:26:57 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 4x4

At 09:59 AM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Gord
>>>
>>Ahhh, the joys of owning a full time 4x4 :-)
>>switch what??
>>
>
>Com'on Joe, your not getting too old to move a lever are ya?
>Feel bad for me, I'm older than you and have locking hubs, I have to
>actually GET OUT of the truck sheesh. It's ok though, cause I rest up a
>little afterwards before driving on ;)
>
>-jj
>
Well sometimes I have to reach *all the way* over to the
glove compartment and turn on the emergency drive ...ouch!

If I had to exit the vehicle to lock hubs or some other
silliness I guess I'd first use my cell phone to call AAA   :-)
Although pushing those phone buttons do tend to wear me out...
as does this typing....................

to tired to sign




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Date:  Fri, 30 May 97 10:29:02 -0700
From: bks-at-co.intel.com
Subject: Re: 4x4


jj wrote:

> >>Gord
> >>
> >Ahhh, the joys of owning a full time 4x4 :-)
> >switch what??
> >
> 
> Com'on Joe, your not getting too old to move a lever are ya?
> Feel bad for me, I'm older than you and have locking hubs, I have to
> actually GET OUT of the truck sheesh. It's ok though, cause I rest up a
> little afterwards before driving on ;)
> 
> -jj
> 

I actually LIKE getting out to engage hubs!  Especially if its muddy!  Just
adds to the experience.  Its a nice little break to get out and sniff the
air.  The wagmaster is full-time 4wd, but I think I'm going to put a NP208
in it so I can get some hubs!  I also like wing-windows on the front door!
Whatever happened to them?  I think FSJs had the biggest wing-windows ever
put on a rig!

-brad

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 10:36:30 -0700
From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
Subject: CA/NV FSJ get together

I'm in!

I'll bring the whole family, and I don't care what weekend it is!

I'm open the Fourth of July, but I realise many people aren't, so what
about the weekend of July 12-13 at Hollister Hills ORV?

Hollister Hills is alot of fun, all the trails are posted like ski runs,
circle, square, and diamond, there's everything from hill climbs to mud
pits, and they have a very cool little playground for trucks, including
a pit full of telephone poles and old tires, a mini-Rubicon run (!), the
frame twister, a couple mud runs, etc....it costs $4 to get in the park,
and camping is only $2 more! Pinnacles National Monument is only a few
miles down the road, and has good camping and an underground cave that's
over a mile long!

Anyway, there's my two cents.....

-Ken

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 10:44:47 -0700
From: "Renshaw, Ken" <krenshaw-at-resumix.com>
Subject: My Broken Jeep

Mornin'-

As a post-mortem on my Jeep after the Rubicon, I found a few problems,
as well as the obvious things, like, oh I don't know,  a chewed-up
output shaft on the TH400.....

Thanks to SuperKen and John Meister for the parts tips, but I found one
locally yesterday for $45 used.

Anyway, I've already pulled out the QuadraTrac and replaced the thrust
bearings in the reduction unit, which are what took the brunt of jamming
the TH400 shaft down it's throat.
The tranny itself comes out tomorrow, and I'll rebuild it on Sunday at a
friends' house. He's rebuilding the TH350 out of his K5 Blazer that day,
too. I also ordered an ARB air solenoid to replace the one that i have
that is stuck open, and I'm picking up the Edelbrock spring-loaded
needle and seats today.

I've got quite a weekend of wrenchin' to do......

Anyway, wish me luck, and God willing, I'll be attacking the trails
again soon.

C Ya!

-Ken



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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 11:10:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-mail.telis.org>
Subject: Re: email bounced

Sorry Ken
        I get it .NET, not .COM, I thought I copied it , must have left some
of it out
anyway, sorry (again)
I'm not even going to ask why......
mick


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Vote for expansion of TX/OK Region


On Fri, 30 May 97 07:55:41 CDT Tony Hanson 
<hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com> wrote:

> A motion and a second have been made to:
> 
> 1) Incorporate Arkansas and Louisiana into
>    the TX/OK Chapter of the IFSJA.
> 
> 2) Change the title of said chapter to the
>     Red River Valley Chapter IFSJA
> 
Another suggestion (made by my wife) for the new name:
ALOT of IFSJ
This would be an anacronym for 
Arkansas
Lousianna
Oklahoma
Texas



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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 12:44:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Assembly lube?


On Fri, 30 May 1997 01:07:42 -0700 Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net> 
wrote:
> Marvel Mystery oil huh? Never thought of it as a coating but I do use
> it on the boat. Squirt it in the air tools as a lube. Guess it's not 
> just for freeing sticky lifters on old chebby's anymore huh? :)

That is all my step-father uses... (He used to be a champion drag racer)



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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 13:04:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: I can sound like I know what I am talking about


On Thu, 29 May 1997 20:32:37 -0700 SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net> 
wrote:

> hey everyone!! can u just smell the fresh pages of his
> NEW service manuals!?!?!  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good! ;)
> nice crisp pages, starch white pages, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
> this is too much, id better sit down!!

Actually, I bought them used... but they're new to me!!!
They are still crispy and white... I don't know if the guy made copies 
when he worked on his rig or what?



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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 12:39:27 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Jacobs, MSD etc

I was at an RV shop and found a brochure for Aurora Ignition system and
was trying to compare it to either MSD or Jacobs. Remember I'm an
accountant, so all I was concerned about is the price. This system is
$368 for a replacement coil and wires. They claim 15-25 percent increase
in mileage and have a 30 day guarantee. Now this almost seems worth it
to me from a payback point of view. If I spend $150 per month on gas
(about a tank a week) and can reduce that by 15% ($22 per month) I'll
have a payback of 16 months. Add to that the occassional long drive I
take and it should pay for itself in a year. So my question is, what
does the MSD or Jacobs typically cost? Remember that this $368 is is
around $265 US and this system seems cheap.

Anyway, the system claims to be able to produce a 100,000 volt spark of
a higher amperage to burn the spark longer, etc. etc. etc. The wires are
supposed to have less resistance (the guy did some conductivity test
comparing stock Ford and GM wires, but I have no idea how the meter was
calibrated) and have a lifetime warranty (which may be worth the price
in itself).

Supposed to be an hour to install with the hardest part being bolting
the thing to the truck. You also can leave the stock system in place as
a backup.

Sorry to be so long, but I am thinking of buying this and am curious if
it sounds too good to be true.

Gord (who does not sell this thing) (but he does sell watkins) (but he
doesn't tell people that) (oops, he just did)

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 97 14:40:06 CDT
From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson)
Subject: Re: Assembly lube?

Brian Moake wrote:

>>That is all my step-father uses... (He used to be a champion drag
racer)

Hey Brian, where did yer Step-pop race? Around the North Texas area???
And tell Mrs. Moake that if she can come up with an acronym like ALOT
that
she is way too clever to be hanging with a jeepin fool like you  <big
grin>..

The TxOk (soon to be RRV) page addr is:
http://people.unt.edu/~iw67/txokfsj


   Tony R. Hanson  (hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com)
               IFSJA TX/OK Chapter RC
          1964 Wagoneer  Copeville, Texas

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 13:01:13 -0800
From: Warren Rund <reno1-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Jacobs, MSD etc

I have used the Jacobs system and I loved it. It will be the only one I
will get for my next rig.

Price is secondary to how it performs. The Aurora at a 15-25% increase
in mileage claim already makes me shake my head. 10% is probable
assuming that it works like it is supposed to.

What do you drive now and what mileage does it get?

Warren Rund

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 15:00:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Assembly lube?

On Fri, 30 May 1997, Tony Hanson wrote:
> And tell Mrs. Moake that if she can come up with an acronym like ALOT
> that
> she is way too clever to be hanging with a jeepin fool like you  <big
> grin>..
 

No Joke!!!!
She blurted it out by the time I told her what was going on (seemed
instantanious)


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 15:08:21 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: misc responses... & BRIAN RIGGS!!!!!

>BRIAN RIGGS - YOU ARE FANTASTIC!!!!    I got my Four Wheeler tonight. 
> OUTSTANDING JOB!!!!   I couldn't believe my eyes.  There is our 
>DECAL on a couple of FSJ's!!!   That thing wouldn't exist today if 
>the FSJ team hadn't been in place and working.   You and Joe and 
>everyone would contributed to that process!!!  YEEE-HAAWWW....   The 
>AMC background thing was a great idea, the artwork is superb.  Brian, 
>you took my basic idea and with the help of our FSJ friends we made 
>something fantastic!!!   Joe, thank your son again for his effort.  
>And JOE SEGO, thanks for your effort in putting those things out 
>there.   Please send my at least 10 of 'em...   I'll send a check off 
>on Monday...      

Thank you, all I am/was is a middle-man.  They (decals) are almost gone now
and I haven't put one on my own yet!    We can have more made if necessary
although I am not sure we'd get the $3 each pricing.

Brian and my son Andy did the real work!!!!!!

C'ya
joe-



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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 13:06:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney <karaandmick-at-mail.telis.org>
Subject: Re: CA/NV FSJ get together

At 10:36 AM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm in!
>
>I'll bring the whole family, and I don't care what weekend it is!
Cool !
so far we have
SuperKen
RubiconKen
ProcrastinatingMick (I wanted a longer prefix)

There must be more people in the bay area, don't make me start looking up
the subscription list,or
its going to get ugly....
(the prefixes, I mean)

Mick





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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 13:45:03 -0700
From: Gordon McKenzie <gordmck-at-direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Jacobs, MSD etc

Warren Rund wrote:
> 
> I have used the Jacobs system and I loved it. It will be the only one I
> will get for my next rig.
> 
> Price is secondary to how it performs. The Aurora at a 15-25% increase
> in mileage claim already makes me shake my head. 10% is probable
> assuming that it works like it is supposed to.

I spoke to the company directly and he is suggesting 20% for a loaded
engine (ie towing a trailer which I will be doing Sunday) but wouldn't
make any claims for an unloaded vehicle. All other claims are similar to
Jacobs, MSD.

Then I talked to a shop owner (he retails the product) where I had some
tranny work done and he swears by the system. Has it in a mid 80's XJ
and claims to get 15-20% better mileage and better performance. (For
Eddie, he claims that he can take the Coquihala hill at 100 k as opposed
to 85 k with stock ignition. But that truck should be able to do better
than 85k stock). 

Anyway, it would save about $100 (the cost of the wire set) over the MSD
system. I haven't been able to price a Jacobs unit yet as no one locally
seems to carry it.

Gord (getting that itchy wallter feeling)


> 
> What do you drive now and what mileage does it get?
> 
> Warren Rund
> 
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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 16:56:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: 360 Buildup article recieved.

     Thanks Mr. Johnson, it's apreciated. :)

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 14:23:06 -0800
From: Warren Rund <reno1-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Jacobs, MSD etc

Gordon, the best feedback is a current user. It sounds like the guy you
know who has it really likes it. It is true that loaded is when you will
see the biggest percentage of gain assuming the engine is running fairly
well under normal conditions.

I have never been a fan of the MSD product. As I stated before, Jacobs
worked excellant for me, and if the Aurora works for other people you
know, then pick whichever suits your taste.

Let us know how it installed and how it works.

Warren Rund

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 97 16:05:44 EDT
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: New FSJ Stickers??

Joe-
I think I'm missing something here- do we have new style stickers?

Brad Feick


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 18:02:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com
Subject: 360 Buildup article recieved.

     Thanks Mr. Johnson, it's apreciated. :)

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 17:17:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: misc responses... & BRIAN RIGGS!!!!!


>Thank you, all I am/was is a middle-man.  They (decals) are almost gone now
>and I haven't put one on my own yet!    We can have more made if necessary
>although I am not sure we'd get the $3 each pricing.
>
>Brian and my son Andy did the real work!!!!!!
>
>C'ya
>joe-
>
Joe, if there are 3 left, earmark them for me.  The GW is the only vehicle I
have one on (one is on my cubicle wall at work, I gave the other to a fella
in Michigan).  Now that the J10 is road ready, it needs a sticker too.

the check is in the mail,
Mike Saltsgaver. 


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 17:20:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Assembly lube?


>> Marvel Mystery oil huh? Never thought of it as a coating but I do use
>> it on the boat. Squirt it in the air tools as a lube. Guess it's not 
>> just for freeing sticky lifters on old chebby's anymore huh? :)
>
>That is all my step-father uses... (He used to be a champion drag racer)
>
A friend of mine swears that MMO is great for keeping chrome rims from
rusting.  (he says rain won't wash it off).

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 17:28:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: 4x4


  I also like wing-windows on the front door!
>Whatever happened to them?  I think FSJs had the biggest wing-windows ever
>put on a rig!
>
You bet!!  the fsj was a built for doing the job right.  Just like the glove
box placed in the middle where you could reach it!

Mike Saltsgaver.


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 17:59:08 -0500
From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: New FSJ Stickers??

At 04:05 PM 5/30/97 EDT, you wrote:
>Joe-
>I think I'm missing something here- do we have new style stickers?
>
>Brad Feick
>
Hi Brad,
Not that I know of!
btw Congrats to you and the Mrs



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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 18:59:52 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: ever wonder...


	...what it's like driving Timex?  <grin>.  Well, you can now find out,
ONLINE!  Ok, well, it ain't Timex, it actually ain't even a Jeep.  However,
you can take a virtual tour with one of four vintage VWs, at:

	http://www.acvwjyro.com/tour/home.htm

	Take the Type III.  It's JUST like driving around in Timex.  Trust me.
Just close your eyes and ignore the pix.  Just read what it says, and now
you'll know just what I go through...  <grin>.

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 16:01:26 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: email bounced

where r u again??

i had a nother idea. we can wait for the PNW fest
to end, and all the trip reports to come in, and get the calnev
FSJers to get jealous and then spring one on em!!

hollister is just a mountainous region S of san jose, that has
MANY dirt trails for ALL levels of 4x4 experience. including
some models of the diffficult spots on some of
the states famouse trails.

a club in Sbay, calle d esprit de four, puts on a biannuall
'howto' event at the holister area. it is basically a beginners 
intro to offroading. but it costs $40+

> 
> Let's pick another weekend.  Never been to Hollister, what all is there?
> 
> Tom Anhalt
> 

-- 
 ********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
  Sincerely
  kenneth e. wetherall             If a Wagoneer can go
                                where a CJ can go, then it's
  kenns-at-concentric.net              a Super Wagoneer

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 16:09:31 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: GVW 101

my info comes from the service manual. ill have to 
recheck!!

Michael Baxter wrote:
> 
> Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> writes:
> 
>  >> Joe is 100% correct!  I've noticed the same over the years,
>  guys look at that tag and go crazy.  I haven't put the chief on the
>  scales but I'm betting not much (if at all) over 4,000 lbs.
>  <<
> 
>  SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net> writes:
> 
>  >> my Super shipped at 4600lbs!! and it aint got PL PW PSeats
>  <<
> 
>  SuperKen, where did you get your data? I have your Super's ('67 Model 1414D)
> shipping at 4241 lbs.
> 

-- 
 ********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
  Sincerely
  kenneth e. wetherall             If a Wagoneer can go
                                where a CJ can go, then it's
  kenns-at-concentric.net              a Super Wagoneer

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 16:18:14 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: I can sound like I know what I am talking about

oh bummer!!  USED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :(

what an anti climax  :(

Moake Brian wrote:
> 
-- 
 ********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
  Sincerely
  kenneth e. wetherall             If a Wagoneer can go
                                where a CJ can go, then it's
  kenns-at-concentric.net              a Super Wagoneer

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 16:18:40 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Shopping List

nope!!

Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney wrote:
> 
> At 06:04 PM 5/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >   Most of what I'm looking at now (other than the radiator) is store
> >   bought stuff (ie battery cabling, secondary wiring, elect-fan,
> >   hoses, and the like)...
> >
> if you need a rad, the '67 j truck a local was parting has an original
> radiator in good (he claims)
> condition....
> is there a difference between those years (he has a 327 motor)?
> 
> mick
> 

-- 
 ********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
  Sincerely
  kenneth e. wetherall             If a Wagoneer can go
                                where a CJ can go, then it's
  kenns-at-concentric.net              a Super Wagoneer

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 15:39:17 -0700
From: Jim Sterling <sterling-at-jetlink.net>
Subject: WIDE track width

Hello guys and gals,

Need some info. Can someone with a Widetrack Cherokee or Jtruck measure the
width of the rearend drum to drum for me. I have a chance to pick up a
Dana60 for free (well, I have to remove it from the truck). Please measure
backing plate to backing plate. Thanks a TON!.

Jim Sterling
79/83 FrankenJeep


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 16:30:22 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Warren R.!!!!!

WARREN...UR ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Warren Rund wrote:
> 
> Gordon, the best feedback is a current user. It sounds like the guy you
> know who has it really likes it. It is true that loaded is when you will
> see the biggest percentage of gain assuming the engine is running fairly
> well under normal conditions.
> 
> I have never been a fan of the MSD product. As I stated before, Jacobs
> worked excellant for me, and if the Aurora works for other people you
> know, then pick whichever suits your taste.
> 
> Let us know how it installed and how it works.
> 
> Warren Rund
> 
-- 
 ********To reply, use ONLY the email address below********
  Sincerely
  kenneth e. wetherall             If a Wagoneer can go
                                where a CJ can go, then it's
  kenns-at-concentric.net              a Super Wagoneer

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 16:48:29 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Old Blue didn't make it...

Took him to work and back, went to turn around by rolling up the hill 
a little bit and the torque converter killed the motor and he 
wouldn't restart...   taking the little wagoneer to the retreat...

bummer...   at least he didn't leave me stranded somewhere...

john
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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 19:18:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Assembly lube?



>Bout 25 years ago I rebuilt a 235 in a 53 chevy and never heard of assembly
>lube so I used STP. Man I drug that old chevy for miles...trying to get it
>to roll over :)
>

Brother I can relate to that!  When I was younger we put one together with
STP in February & liked to never got it to turn over:(

MIke Saltsgaver


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 19:27:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: chrissy saltsgaver <chrissys-at-midwest.net>
Subject: Re: WIDE track width

At 03:39 PM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello guys and gals,
>
>Need some info. Can someone with a Widetrack Cherokee or Jtruck measure the
>width of the rearend drum to drum for me. I have a chance to pick up a
>Dana60 for free (well, I have to remove it from the truck). Please measure
>backing plate to backing plate. Thanks a TON!.
>
>Jim Sterling
>79/83 FrankenJeep
>
>
57 & 1/4 inches on my '84 J10 w/ AMC 20 axle, measured at the backing plate
out at the edge by the drum.  Was easy to get to because the rear end is on
blocks due to the rain preventing me from mounting the new tires I had
mounted this week (would have had them on sooner, but spend the past few
days stripping & reapplying the clear coat that was on the chrome steel rims.

Mike Saltsgaver


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 97 19:14:08 EDT
From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK)
Subject: Mr. Beef/Omni-Magnum

As soon as I get the L/R unit on the good QT, I am ready to roll the "new" 
th400/QT combo into place.  I took the old stuff out as a unit and plan to 
install the new the same way.  Didn't even need to raise the truck up, either

	After that, me and a crazy cat named Zack are most likely gonna 
install the soon-to-be-completed 258.  Anyway, in the mean time I didn't need 
the hard-won Omni-Magnum set-up, so me and a buddy decided to give it a whirl 
on his new Ram pickup with 318 (I believe-it's NOT the 360 V8).

	This guy keeps thorough milage records, AND his truck has had a 
hesitation heavy enough to jar the manual drivetrain until warmed up since it 
was new.  (it's 7 months old).  The install was easy, and we used the option 
that allows you to trigger the unit off of the stock coil.  I thought Jacobs' 
choice of boot and terminal left something to be desired on the coil wire, but
I will just terminate my own stuff right when that time comes.  We literally 
taped the brain in place for our short test.

	We started with new autolite plugs gapped to .052, and used his stock 
wires.  (There is a big diameter difference in the Jacobs wires)  We noticed 
an immediate absence in the hesitation and since he drives the truck all the 
time, he said that he could get into the lower RPMs without lugging in a given
gear.  He said that the truck was no quicker, but idled great, and felt just a
bit more torque.  (I say ANY for the amount of work that it took to do this 
was amazing)  HOWEVER, two weeks later after having driven the same route as 
usual, he found that his MPG was actually -1.  

	Everything else but that was really positive.  I'm wondering if good 
wires would have helped, maybe we were playing with benefits of new found 
power?  The weather had just started to break here, temp.?  A wash on MPG I 
could see but a loss is curious. (even though they claim a gain)  We expected 
the results not to be staggering as we ARE talking about a newer truck as 
opposed to our FSJs most excellent state-of-the-art ignitions. (HA!)  Well , 
just thought that I would throw that out there.  (I'm STILL using it on the 
258 and 455)

Brad Feick


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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 18:00:29 -0700
From: Joe Schaefer <jeep-at-olympus.net>
Subject: Re: WIDE track width

At 19:27 30-05-97 -0500, you wrote:
>At 03:39 PM 5/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hello guys and gals,
>>
>>Need some info. Can someone with a Widetrack Cherokee or Jtruck measure the
>>width of the rearend drum to drum for me. I have a chance to pick up a
>>Dana60 for free (well, I have to remove it from the truck). Please measure
>>backing plate to backing plate. Thanks a TON!.
>>
>>Jim Sterling
>>79/83 FrankenJeep
>>
>>
>57 & 1/4 inches on my '84 J10 w/ AMC 20 axle, measured at the backing plate
>out at the edge by the drum.  Was easy to get to because the rear end is on
>blocks due to the rain preventing me from mounting the new tires I had
>mounted this week (would have had them on sooner, but spend the past few
>days stripping & reapplying the clear coat that was on the chrome steel rims.
>
>Mike Saltsgaver
>
Jim,
On my 73 j-4000(dana 60-2 semi-floater) from flange to flange that the
backing plates bolt to: 59"

The springs (6 packs) from outside to outside measured at the pads are 52
3/4" apart.

Regards,
-jj

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Date:  Fri, 30 May 1997 18:02:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: ck1-at-pacbell.net
Subject: Re: email bounce

   Sorry - In Advance..  I COULDN'T let this one get past...
  
   >If anyone else wants to get in on this, speak (or type) now.

   "now"

   <sheepish grin>

   <sigh>  I hope these 'meets' are going to be a regular thing.
   I was hoping to make these first ones (for the Left Coast),
   but the chances don't look good.  <cryin' inside>

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