From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Sep 6 21:55:51 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, September 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1017 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: FWD: TrakLock clutches the same as........... fsj: re: putting in a 454 fsj: Re: The SUV that could've been! fsj: Re: The SUV that could've been! Re: fsj: Re: The SUV that could've been! fsj: Re: pressure cap for '74? fsj: Gained one more skill, Qtrac replaced fsj: Re: Stock gas cap search.... fsj: Re: Putting in a 454 fsj: Re: the 77 Wagoneer... fsj: Parts America link (WOW!) for '84 6 cyl J10 fsj: For those that like the 91 GW fsj: Fwd: Re: Edelbrock Aluminum heads fsj: RE: The SUV that could've been! fsj: RE: The SUV that could've been! Re: fsj: Re: BACKROAD DRIVERS NORTHWEST Reminder - Mt. Baker Re: fsj: Re: The SUV that could've been! fsj: RE: 83 wagonerr ltd fsj: another half baked idea... fsj: RE: Ol' Jeep Cherokee FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: FWD: TrakLock clutches the same as........... >From the AMC-list From: MadMachine390-at-aol.com Message-ID: <56.419d78.26e6ccf1-at-aol.com> Just got a very interesting e-mail from a man who knows his sh*t , the swap he describes sounds very do-able and and maybe worth while as Warren Barber bought axles from Moser and ended up with a big hassle he didnt bargain for.I on the other hand was lucky enough to swipe a ford 9" when someone wasnt looking.But the clutchs should be alot cheaper for the mopes and Gms than the AMC part from dealers, i know warren has a posi that needs some, and i have one that will probably need a set with the next few years also. So thanks Randy Guynn for the helpfull info, i really appreciate it.Here is his letter verbatim.         The posi clutches for MOPAR 8 3/4 AND G.M. Read that CHEVY, not PONTIAC or OLDS, clutches are the same as AMC clutches in the POSI=TRAC rear end. The chevy stuff is 57 thru 64 , and I am not sure when MOPAR went to 83/4, and when they quit using it, but ALL 8 3/4 MOPEs are the same clutches. If a guy wants, he can use the SIDE GEARS from the MOPAR, change the AXEL BEARING ends and run MOPAR one piece axels. I have SEEN IT DONE. Had a rear end from an SS/AMX that was done that way. Now, don't get me wrong, I did not say that SS/AMXs were built that way, I said I had one that had the rear done that way. It does work. From my understanding, the posi units for theses three cars were all built by the same company, that is reason the parts change out so easily. The posi unit it's self will NOT interchange between cars, but many of the parts will. you must at least have the AMC posi unit to start with. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:10:30 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: re: putting in a 454 Barry, I'd think a 4spd auto (or manual) w/ OD and gear upgrade would be easier, better, etc. Are your stock gears 2.72:1 ? You're talking big money, and big weight with an iron big block. Course, if you've already got the TH400.... - - Landon - - -----Original Message----- From: Bjersr5-at-cs.com [mailto:Bjersr5-at-cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:46 PM To: john-at-wagoneers.com Subject: Putting in a 454 Do you know of any one that has put a big block in a FSJ. Even though I've built my 360 is still not enough power. I'm running 31x10.50s with stock gears. I know changing gears would help, I don't want to sacrifice hwy rpm. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Barry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:14:30 -0400 From: "Ray (lists)" Subject: fsj: Re: The SUV that could've been! There were a few LM002s made. You see them occasionally for sale in the Robb Report. It is my ambition to get one once I get rich and famous (well... rich, anyhow). Ray Drouillard > A: Before you delete, check out the drivetrain on this SUV! > http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/LM001/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:24:08 -0400 From: "Ray (lists)" Subject: fsj: Re: The SUV that could've been! > A: Before you delete, check out the drivetrain on this SUV! > http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/LM001/index.html I just looked at the LM001. It had the same top speed as my GW before I converted it to EFI. OK... to be exact, it would do a little under 100, and my GW was bouncing off the peg at 100, and would have probably gone a little faster if I had kept it floored. This was with the old two-lung carb. I wonder how fast it'll go with the EFI :) (too chicken to try) Ray Drouillard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: The SUV that could've been! A: I'll let you know how fast Blackie can go! LOL! (Elmo pegged at least 115 on those long 120 mile trips from Canada to Seattle at 2AM on Sunday night) There are more at http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/ I wrote: : Before you delete, check out the drivetrain on this SUV! http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/LM001/index.html Ray wrote: I just looked at the LM001. It had the same top speed as my GW before I converted it to EFI. OK... to be exact, it would do a little under 100, and my GW was bouncing off the peg at 100, and would have probably gone a little faster if I had kept it floored. This was with the old two-lung carb. I wonder how fast it'll go with the EFI :) (too chicken to try) Ray Drouillard ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:53:24 -0500 From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: Re: pressure cap for '74? I said: {- > What's the correct _officially_ recommended pressure for a radiator {- > cap for a 401 in a '74 Wagoneer? Radiator looks the same as all {- > the other FSJs I've seen in detail, which includes '84, '85, and {- > '88 GWags -- two of which I replaced. {- > :) I have the original manual, but couldn't find anything specific about {- > the pressure cap. The one that is on it is only 7lbs "Kim Smith" said: {- Dan, it is 15psi all years and engines. Must boil pretty well at only 1/2 {- pressure. Thanks; that was what I was afraid of. Oh, well, no damage done, even in the heat of the summer. :) And I think the cap on the '85 is still good, so I may not even have to buy one. :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feelin' fine. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:54:45 GMT From: "michel balea" Subject: fsj: Gained one more skill, Qtrac replaced That's it.... i replaced the Qtrac chain (already part time) this week end 7 hrs from turning off the engine to test drive.... The hardest was to jack it up on blocks so i could sit under, and not being crushed during an earthquake -which happened 24hrs later, no the wagoneer is not green-. In fact meshing the gears was the challenge while holding the chain and the sprockets, also the chain is so tight that it need a third hand to slip onto the tranny output. Remembering where that snap ring came from, took an extra 15 minutes. The Yoke nut was finger tight! That explains the slow leak. The 10 spline output shaft did not show any wear, sharp angles there. Slack was 1 3/8" and now almost none Cheers Michel 74 wag _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:51:04 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Stock gas cap search.... I searched for years and never found one. I'm currently using a Stant locking cap #11583/BG783 and keep a non-locking 11705/BG705 as a spare. Just because these caps work for me doesn't mean they will for you. We're talking about a Jeep after all. My local discount parts store let me try them before I bought them. I spent alot of time taking critical measurements and comparing so I wouldn't have to try too many to wear out my welcome. I had to modify both caps slightly The locking cap had a one way pressure relief valve that I had to drill out since all my evap equipment was gone and I needed it to let air into the tank. Basically it vents to the atmosphere at the cap now. The non-locking cap was too dished to clear the body so I used a rubber mallet to turn the outer cap sort of inside out. It works fine but won't win a beauty contest. FWIW, I've found that my '71 is entirely built to '72 specs. Sometimes looking for '72 parts is more fruitful. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:48:28 -0600 > From: "Gaylon Holmes" > > > I am on a mission to find a stock gas cap for my 1971 Wagoneer. I have not > been able to come up with an aftermarket unit, locking or non-locking, that > fits worth a damn. > > I would really like a stock style cap that compliments the body lines. > > If anyone has such a creature or knows where I might find one, I would be > most appreciative. > > BTW, I have already tried all the salvage yards around my area to no avail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:54:20 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Putting in a 454 I saw a post the other day on the IFSJA list that talked about Zack Heisey helping put a big block in a J-truck. This has been a long on-going project that I haven't followed closely. I know others have done it, but can't remember who. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:59:02 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: the 77 Wagoneer... John - in that post you changed your mind on parting that rig more times than I can keep up with. I'm still interested in that carb. : ) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Parts America link (WOW!) for '84 6 cyl J10 A: You could go through and make the changes for your vehicle and see what comes up. I was excitied for a sec, because they had EFI listed for the 4.2L! (No such luck) http://www.partsamerica.com/PartGroups.asp?SourceArea=&SourcePage=VehicleEngine&AAIACarCode=1183351&AAPCarCode=3581&Year=1984&Make=JEEP&Model=J10&SubModel=&ConcatEngine=L6+4%2E2+Liter+258+CID+2BBL+CARB+VIN+C++O%2EH%2EV%2E&VehicleDescription=1984+JEEP+J10+L6+4%2E2+Liter+258+CID+2BBL+CARB+VIN+C++O%2EH%2EV%2E ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** http://www.partsamerica.com/PartGroups.asp?SourceArea=&SourcePage=VehicleEngine&AAIACarCode=1183351&AAPCarCode=3581&Year=1984&Make=JEEP&Model=J10&SubModel=&ConcatEngine=L6+4%2E2+Liter+258+CID+2BBL+CARB+VIN+C++O%2EH%2EV%2E&VehicleDescription=1984+JEEP+J10+L6+4%2E2+Liter+258+CID+2BBL+CARB+VIN+C++O%2EH%2EV%2E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:18:52 EDT From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: For those that like the 91 GW For those interested in 91's. this guys got a beauty for sale on eBay- way too clean for me but I like the URL. www.grandwagoneer.com (Hope it's not one of our listers cuz you'll regret selling it after putting soooo much into it - If he's not a lister, you'd think this GW makes the bed for him from the sales job LOL) Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair) Subject: fsj: Fwd: Re: Edelbrock Aluminum heads ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** Received: from smtpin-101-1.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by storefull-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-1.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id DB9DE36; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: carnuck2-at-webtv.net Received: from web4004.mail.yahoo.com (web4004.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.38]) by smtpin-101-1.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP id 199A814D for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000906195856.18236.qmail-at-web4004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.105.194.69] by web4004.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:58:56 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Taylor Subject: Re: Edelbrock Aluminum heads To: amc-list-at-lists.cc.utexas.edu Cc: MADMARX-at-JEEP-L.4X4.ORG, Carnuck2-at-webtv.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii - --- jim blair wrote: > A: Are these no longer made? If someone has some, let me and Mark know > direct please (I'll pass it on to the Jeep listers) > > "MadMarx" > Jim, I did not think Edelbrock made Aluminum heads for AMC's. If they > do, how much are they? > Mark > To Subscribe send an email to: 1FSJ-subscribe-at-egroups.com > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 > http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html > ************************************** You're correct, Edelbrock never has made aluminum AMC cylinder heads. However, due to recent requests, they ARE CONTEMPLATING the idea of an AMC Performer aluminum cylinder head, but that's it for now (contemplating). If anyone is interested though, Larry Daum from NAMDRA emailed me regarding some NEW Indy Cylinder Head (the company) AMC aluminum cylinder heads that are being made. I called Brian Ambrosini (Kenoshan AMCer) that is working with Indy Cylinder Head to develop these heads. Brian told me that the intakes would flow 320-cfm and the exhaust port (yet to be finalized) would flow 200+cfm (the stock AMC dog-leg may be changed). While these cylinder heads are being designed for racing applications, they could be used on the street and are being designed to work with about 6 different intake manifolds that Indy has developed. These heads will be CNC MACHINED for exact tolerances and CC sizes for ports, runners and combustion chambers. Lastly, the estimated price for a complete set will be $2000-$2500 with valves, springs, retainers, guides, seats, seals installed. For more information see the copied email below for Brian's website ....... ........................................................................... Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:51:08 -0500 To: Greg Taylor From: "Larry R. Daum" Subject: Re:Indy AMC aliminum Cylinder heads Greg, An AMC racer from Kenosha named Brian Ambrosini had some small flyers made up for the AMC Nationals at Cordova saying "Coming soon AMC Aluminum Cylinder heads by Indy Cylinder heads, Inc." The guy's phone number is (262) 657-5155 Bussiness and (262)654-7760 , 5707 - 35th Avenue, Kenosha, WI 53144. web site address which isn't that much is as follows: http://www.precisemotorsports.com . He was either winner or runner up at the AMC Nats. LRDaum ........................................................................... ===== Sincerely, GregTaylor :) Editor Guy/Web Master - Great Lakes Classic AMC Club http://www.turboforce.com "AMC & Stude Turbo Racing" http://www.turboboost.com "AMC Turbocharging & No. 67 Racer" http://members.xoom.com/glcac "Eastern-MI AMC Club" Rochester Hills, MI (Where we live) Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:12:26 -0700 From: "john" Subject: fsj: RE: The SUV that could've been! It's unlikely that the carb was the limiting factor in the top speed... It's not necessarily a direct result of horsepower, but simple gearing, wind resistance and slippage of the torque converter. The only variable affected by horsepower/torque would be the wind resistance... the math is easy to do... I've got the formula somewhere... I used it to calculate how fast I was going on the Autobahn with my Mustang... :) 137.95, plus or minus a few tenths... ;) It's mainly based on final gearing, tire size and engine rpm... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: Ray (lists) [mailto:RayLists-at-quixnet.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:24 PM To: jim blair; fsj-at-digest.net; 1fsj-at-egroups.com; john-at-virtual-cafe.com Subject: Re: The SUV that could've been! > A: Before you delete, check out the drivetrain on this SUV! > http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/LM001/index.html I just looked at the LM001. It had the same top speed as my GW before I converted it to EFI. OK... to be exact, it would do a little under 100, and my GW was bouncing off the peg at 100, and would have probably gone a little faster if I had kept it floored. This was with the old two-lung carb. I wonder how fast it'll go with the EFI :) (too chicken to try) Ray Drouillard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:13:55 -0700 From: "john" Subject: fsj: RE: The SUV that could've been! why not build your own, after all, other than the countach brakes you have the driveline... looks like a wagoneer with the sides slammed in a bit... made to look boxier... if that's possible. :) there's another suv like that I saw up here a while back, it had a ford 302 in it... what was that thing... lanza?? lancia?? something like that... looked similar, pretty cool really... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: Ray (lists) [mailto:RayLists-at-quixnet.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:15 PM To: jim blair; fsj-at-digest.net; 1fsj-at-egroups.com; john-at-virtual-cafe.com Subject: Re: The SUV that could've been! There were a few LM002s made. You see them occasionally for sale in the Robb Report. It is my ambition to get one once I get rich and famous (well... rich, anyhow). Ray Drouillard > A: Before you delete, check out the drivetrain on this SUV! > http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/LM001/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:59:13 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: BACKROAD DRIVERS NORTHWEST Reminder - Mt. Baker Bummer! R.J. James Blair wrote: > A: I wish I was going! 8^( No wheels at the moment, and Blackie won't be > ready for awhile. > > R.J. Baynum wrote: > I wish I could go.. sigh.. > Take some pics okay? > Thanks! > R.J. > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 > http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html > ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:11:40 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: The SUV that could've been! Does any body know just how much mine is supposed to be able to go? how about 0 to 60? Thanks! R.J. 80 J-10 Honcho 360 amc "Ray (lists)" wrote: > > A: Before you delete, check out the drivetrain on this SUV! > > http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/LM001/index.html > > I just looked at the LM001. It had the same top speed as my GW before I > converted it to EFI. OK... to be exact, it would do a little under 100, and > my GW was bouncing off the peg at 100, and would have probably gone a little > faster if I had kept it floored. > > This was with the old two-lung carb. I wonder how fast it'll go with the > EFI :) (too chicken to try) > > Ray Drouillard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:41:57 -0700 From: "john" Subject: fsj: RE: 83 wagonerr ltd kind of depends on your climate, but any of the Amsoil oils will be fine just about anywhere. Even the 20w50 will pour down to -55. :) I run the 20w50 racing oil in my jeeps. In my non-turbo Diesels I run the 15w40 Marine grade synthetic and in my Turbo Diesels I use the straight 30W Diesel oil. You might be ok with the 10w40 in yours. Any flavor will work. :) 25,000 miles or one year, change the filter at 12,500 miles or 6 months. on the floorpans, they're out there in wrecking yards... I've found it easier to use old license plates, sheet metal and so on to fix the floor using bondo and even fiberglass to fill in the gaps... I've done this to at least a half a dozen fsj's, many of them still running around... with solid floors. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: WILSONSHAPPY-at-aol.com [mailto:WILSONSHAPPY-at-aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:18 PM To: john-at-wagoneers.com Subject: 83 wagonerr ltd thanks john for the info on the oil. what grade should i usefor my jeep? i need info on floor pans for my jeep no one knows where to get them or if they were even made, ineed them bad thanks again j.martino ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:09:54 -0700 From: "john" Subject: fsj: another half baked idea... Ok, I'm sitting here looking at the situation... A relatively nice '77 Wagoneer is sitting out in my field with a good engine, bad trans... I won't get much for the rig as it currently exists... still willing to consider offers... :) Anyway, my idea is to get a 300 Turbo Diesel from a Benz and drop it in after selling the 360 V8. Not sure what tranny or xfr case to use yet... Ideally the TH400 and quadratrac would be the easiest... but I'll have to rebuild it... I should be able to get enough for the 360 and the 4v separately to cover the cost of a complete engine with turbo... :) I may sit on this idea until after my shop is built though... I figure I'll be doing some fabrication work to make it happen... can't deal with stuff like that right now... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:43:52 -0700 From: "john" Subject: fsj: RE: Ol' Jeep Cherokee It appears that the Cherokee went to rectangular headlights in 1979 with the Wagoneers... it's easy to switch grilles though... Old Blue had an 86 grille and hood... had him for almost two years before I figured it out. :) Superdawg is sporting the grille from an 83 Cherokee (and vice versa). :) You need to get on the FSJ list on digest.net. - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: raywatch-at-juno.com [mailto:raywatch-at-juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:27 PM To: john-at-wagoneers.com Subject: Ol' Jeep Cherokee Greetings, Loved your stories of ol' blue and thought you'd be a good person to contact for information. I just aquired a '78 Cherokee 4 dr. (see attached pic). I'm so excited about getting it, it's my first 4x4. Although much of it is in very good shape, there is a lot of work that needs done to it. I have already spent much more than I anticipated just to get some parts I know it needs. Funny I stumbled across a web page that said Just Empty Every Pocket! I was hoping you would be able to help me find more information about my specific model, what I can do to it (upgrades, etc), what some characteristics are of the different years and the like. For example, I saw some pics of other '78 Cherokees w/2 dr. and the grill was different too. Did AMC put the round headlights just on the 2 dr that year or is mine a replacement? I would really appreciate your advice since I'm still going through a stage of dreaming about all the things I want to do to it. Thanks, Ray ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1017 **************************