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fsj-digest Thursday, September 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1019
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
Brian Colucci <ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net>
Digest Coordinator
Contents:
fsj: Diesel FSJ
fsj: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
fsj: GW spring source?
Re: fsj: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
fsj: Parts for sale
RE: fsj: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
fsj: Re: need J10 part
fsj: RE: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
fsj: Willys related (History of the Brazilian Maverick)
fsj: TWO Currently Available alum. AMC Heads (& ONE MORE soon to be avail.)
fsj: yikes...
fsj: Re: [1FSJ] yikes...
fsj: Jeep books
fsj: Re: Diesel FSJ
fsj: Re: Mature FSJ needs good home
fsj: Interesting specs on the M715
Re: [Re: fsj: Power valve vacuum]
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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:19:47 -0500
From: "Landon Tesar" <r16884-at-email.sps.mot.com>
Subject: fsj: Diesel FSJ
Seriously, if
I were going to do a diesel FSJ, I'd go with a T400 tranny era rig, and
drop in one
of those low mileage, well maintained military take outs from Boyce.
Kim -
can you tell us more about Boyce? Maybe you sent us a link some time
ago and noted that they had their act together....
We had a TH425 in the Olds Toronado behind (next to ?) the 350 Diesel.
I think it went out 2 or 3 times. Dad said the diesels make so much
torque at the low end, the trans. couldn't handle it. Of course,
anything can be built properly. He's now got Dodge cummins w/ 4spd auto
and loves it.
- - Landon
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:50:03 EDT
From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com
Subject: fsj: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:35:04 -0600
> From: "Gaylon Holmes" <gholmes-at-vcn.com>
>
> Interesting. My '71 was "born" in January of '71 and has the Buick 350.
My
> grandfather purchased it new. I inherited it some years ago after he
passed
> on. The vehicle sat under a carport for many years.
Sounds like a special truck. It may be one of the last built with the Buick
350.
> The vehicle has 2 VIN tags on the body pillars; both are JEEP tags with no
> reference to AMC. The body does, however, have AMC emblems on it. The
> original alternator was a Motorola unit, 35 amp, as was the regulator. I
> have always assumed this vehicle was a holdover and built to '70 specs.
> This is purely guesswork on my part.
Other than the motor it sounds identical to mine (built May '71) although it
only has one small AMC emblem on the tailgate. Does yours have a Jeep emblem
on the fenders near the side marker light?
I've swapped out my 33 amp Motorola charging system for one from a later '70s
Cherokee. It's now 63 amp and all the parts swap with those on my Ford
pickup. I doubt that would work too well on the 350 but there are lots of
other options I'm sure. <g>
I think the 350 was a special order item in '71, but not many got it.
>From time to time I hear of people looking specifically for a Buick 350
powered Wagoneer. I have no knowledge myself but have been told many times
that the 350 is a much better motor for a truck than the 360. You have
something of a rare bird in that it is a '71.
The real bonus is that you only need one factory service manual to cover your
Wagoneer. I also "had" to get the AMC engine supplement to thoroughly cover
my rig. <g>
Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4
'88 Bronco
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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:01:49 -0700
From: Clark Novak <steelydn-at-pacbell.net>
Subject: fsj: GW spring source?
Hey guys, I need to (sooner or later) replace the springs on The Judge - in
order to get the steering back to spec :). My shop quoted me $450 for the
front set, and another $450 for the rears. There's GOT to be a cheaper
place... does anyone have a source for new FSJ springs? I know the JC
Whipme catalog lists replacement springs. does anyone have any experience
with these?
Also - I need a resistor pack for my heater fan circuit. I only get two fan
speeds :) Does anyone have a spare to sell?
Clark Novak
87 GW
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair)
Subject: Re: fsj: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
A: I took pics last spring of a Buick powered '72 that still had Willys
tags under the hood. (they are up on photopoint under FSJ spotting I
think. I even took pics of the build tag)
Ben wrote:
From: "Gaylon Holmes" <gholmes-at-vcn.com> Interesting. My '71 was
"born" in January of '71 and has the Buick
350.
My
grandfather purchased it new. I inherited it some years ago after he
passed
on. The vehicle sat under a carport for many years. Sounds like a
special truck. It may be one of the last built with the Buick
350.
The vehicle has 2 VIN tags on the body pillars; both are
JEEP tags with no reference to AMC. The body does, however, have AMC
emblems on it. The original alternator was a Motorola unit, 35 amp, as
was the regulator. I have always assumed this vehicle was a holdover and
built to '70 specs. This is purely guesswork on my part. Other than the
motor it sounds identical to mine (built May '71) although it only has
one small AMC emblem on the tailgate. Does yours have a Jeep emblem on
the fenders near the side marker light? I've swapped out my 33 amp
Motorola charging system for one from a later '70s Cherokee. It's now 63
amp and all the parts swap with those on my Ford pickup. I doubt that
would work too well on the 350 but there are lots of other options I'm
sure. <g>
I think the 350 was a special order item in '71, but not many got it.
>From time to time I hear of people looking specifically for a Buick 350
powered Wagoneer. I have no knowledge myself but have been told many
times that the 350 is a much better motor for a truck than the 360. You
have something of a rare bird in that it is a '71. The real bonus is
that you only need one factory service manual to cover your Wagoneer. I
also "had" to get the AMC engine supplement to thoroughly cover my rig.
<g>
Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4
'88 Bronco
*************************************
JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688
http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html
**************************************
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair)
Subject: fsj: Parts for sale
HO intake with throttle body (from junkyard) and set of HO injectors (In
working condition, from John M's rig. He has Renix, and the power went
up, but fuel economy went in the toilet!) $150 obo
If I can figure out how to rig the AW4 computer up w/o the factory
harness, I'm going to sell the complete EFI outfit too, but I haven't
decided on a price yet.
I have a core 4.0L block, but #6 cylinder wall is punched (still ran)
and I'm going to pull off the head to see if it's okay.
'90 AW4 with 85K on it $200 w/o computer (I paid $300 for it and
bought the transfercase too {sold already}, but it was 21 spline and I
needed 23)
I will be posting lots more soon. Looks like a divorce is in my near
future. I think between the stress of that, and my wife's pets moved
into the house, it's no wonder I've been sick for the last 3 weeks
*************************************
JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688
http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:14:32 -0600
From: "Gaylon Holmes" <gholmes-at-vcn.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of
> James Blair
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:14 AM
> To: fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: Re: fsj: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
>
>
> A: I took pics last spring of a Buick powered '72 that still had Willys
> tags under the hood. (they are up on photopoint under FSJ spotting I
> think. I even took pics of the build tag)
That's pretty wild!
Makes a feller wonder just how long some of these chassis' were sitting
around waiting for production.
Gaylon Holmes
'71 Wagoneer
'89 Commanche
'89 Shelby CSX
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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:10:56 -0700
From: john <john-at-virtual-cafe.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: need J10 part
no luck... they don't do big Jeeps any more...
still need a bracket and a bumper...
john
At 01:06 AM 9/7/00 -0600, Kim Smith wrote:
>Try my guys in Victor, MT [South of Missoula]
>
>Parts Unlimited
>1829 HWY 93
>Victor, MT 59875
>Phone: 1-(800)642-3405
>
>They do nothing but trucks and 4X4's.
>
>*************************************************************************
>Kim Smith
>1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "john" <john-at-virtual-cafe.com>
>To: "FSJ" <fsj-at-digest.net>; "1FSJ" <1FSJ-at-egroups.com>
>Sent: 06 September, 2000 00:51
>Subject: fsj: need J10 part
>
>
>> I'm still looking for a bumper bracket for my 83 j10 stepside and a new
>> bumper... I've got one bracket, not sure which side right now... :) I
also
>> have two bent original ones, and two that are cut off...
>>
>> My bumper was wiped out in an encounter with a Snohomish hillside
>> complicated
>> by gravity... and the heavier vehicle not wanting to play follow the
leader
>> with Superdawg... ;)
>>
>> thanx,
>> john
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
>> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
>> Jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>
- ------------------------------------------------------
http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
"The truth which makes men free is for the most part
the truth which men prefer not to hear."
---Herbert Sebastian Agar
Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
- -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:18:49 -0600
From: "Gaylon Holmes" <gholmes-at-vcn.com>
Subject: fsj: RE: '71 Wagoneer junk - was Stock gas cap search....
> Sounds like a special truck. It may be one of the last built > > with the
Buick
> 350.
May well be. The motor had only 56K on it, however, I did a
valve job as the guides and seals were worn. Now it runs like a
champ. Changed the 2 bbl intake to a 4bbl using OEM Buick
pieces. Next change will be the ignition system; I want to go
with an electronic ignition and good wires.
> Other than the motor it sounds identical to mine (built May '71)
> although it
> only has one small AMC emblem on the tailgate. Does yours have a
> Jeep emblem
> on the fenders near the side marker light?
Mine had an AMC emblem on the tailgate, too. The fenders have a
Jeep emblem, a 350 V8 emblem, and a 4 wheel drive emblem,
> I've swapped out my 33 amp Motorola charging system for one from
> a later '70s
> Cherokee. It's now 63 amp and all the parts swap with those on my Ford
> pickup. I doubt that would work too well on the 350 but there
> are lots of
> other options I'm sure. <g>
I ended up using a late '70s GM pickup alternator, 66 amps, with
an internal regulator.
> I think the 350 was a special order item in '71, but not many got it.
That is what I have heard also. I don't think my grandfather
ordered it per say; I believe someone else ordered it and ended
up not taking it. A friend of his worked at Hayes Brothers in
SLC, Utah at the time.
> From time to time I hear of people looking specifically for a Buick 350
> powered Wagoneer. I have no knowledge myself but have been told
> many times
> that the 350 is a much better motor for a truck than the 360. You have
> something of a rare bird in that it is a '71.
I think it is a great motor with lots of grunt right out of the
basement. I am not experienced enough with the 360 to really
compare the two.
The trans is a TH400 and it has Dana 44's on both ends with a
3.31 gears. I am running 9.5" x 30" tires and all seems well.
> The real bonus is that you only need one factory service manual
> to cover your
> Wagoneer. I also "had" to get the AMC engine supplement to
> thoroughly cover
> my rig. <g>
> Ben Williams
> '71 Wagoneer
> '78 F-250 4x4
> '88 Bronco
I hadn't thought about that!
Gaylon Holmes
'71 Wagoneer
'89 Commanche
'89 Shelby CSX
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:44:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair)
Subject: fsj: Willys related (History of the Brazilian Maverick)
Just the first paragraph
http://www.maverick.to/np-brazhist.shtml
*************************************
JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10
http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html
**************************************
http://www.maverick.to/np-brazhist.shtml
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck2-at-webtv.net (jim blair)
Subject: fsj: TWO Currently Available alum. AMC Heads (& ONE MORE soon to be avail.)
From: Greg Taylor <amcturbo-at-yahoo.com>
CURRENTLY AVAILABLE:
1) Herman Lewis Racing (304)-253-6493
PRICE: $1700-$2200 (bare head to installed hardware
...no rockers)
2) Fred Brewer Sales (580)-492-4656
PRICE: $4100 (complete heads w/all valve
train/rockers, intake and
valve covers)
SOON TO BE AVAILABLE:
1) Indy Cylinder Head ( see http://www.precisemotorsports.com )
PRICE: $2000-$2500 (complete head ... no rockers *** CNC MACHINED! ***)
- These heads are being developed by Brian Ambrosini
(262-657-5155) with Indy Cylinder Head
=====
Sincerely,
GregTaylor :)
*************************************
JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10
http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html
**************************************
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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:55:22 -0700
From: john <john-at-virtual-cafe.com>
Subject: fsj: yikes...
talk about a fright... I had amazon looking for this book,
in the meantime found it... It sure has appreciated... :)
And y'all thought I paid too much for my copy... ;0
john
>We have excellent news from our out-of-print book buyers. They have
>been successful in searching for the item you ordered and
>think you will be interested in what they have found.
>
> Ordered item: Ackerson "Jeep : The 50 Year History"
>
> Price: $162.99
> Shipping & handling charge: $4.48
> Tax: $14.41
> Total charge for item: $181.88
> Binding: No information
>
>You may approve or cancel this item from the "Your Account"
- ------------------------------------------------------
http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
"The truth which makes men free is for the most part
the truth which men prefer not to hear."
---Herbert Sebastian Agar
Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
- -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:10:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair)
Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] yikes...
A: I did a quick online search for the "Jeep: the 50 year history" and
look what was the only thing that came up!
http://www.wagoneers.com/john/JEEP/jeepcode.html
*************************************
JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688
http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html
**************************************
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:42:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair)
Subject: fsj: Jeep books
http://www.4wdonline.com/cgi-bin/bookshop/browse?category=Jeeps
*************************************
JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688
http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html
**************************************
http://www.4wdonline.com/cgi-bin/bookshop/browse?category=Jeeps
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:02:14 -0600
From: "Kim Smith" <bilbo53-at-centurytel.net>
Subject: fsj: Re: Diesel FSJ
That Olds diesel was, for the most part, a total fiasco end to end. That modified
350 gas motor didn't turn out as much torque as any of the big block GM engines, and
the T400lived behind them. I had a '65 Buick Riviera with a 425,4v,T400 that was
pure poison for clandestine drag racing, and in pure stock form, with all my teen
aged abuse, it went over 120,000 without a whimper.
Re: the T400, well, tell that to all the military CUCV owners, and all the medium
commercial trucks , and all the big block gas engine, some turning well over
500lb/ft of torque, that used them, no troubles. GMC even built a T475 with an
Allison pattern diesel torque convertor for use in motor homes and medium duty
trucks. Rock solid, but won't go over 3500RPM. Of course with a Rudy D. engine,
"RPM's??We don't need no stinkin' RPM's!!!"
Boyce's web URL is:
http://www.boyceequipment.com/index.html
They are new to e-commerce, and slow to answer e-mail. Get their appear catalog, and
get on the list for their updates.
They do nothing but recycle, as in [part out, rebuild parts, and whole trucks, U.S.
vehicles/ Great source for 1 1/4 ton Kaiser (AKA M-715) Dodge WC, -at- 1/2 t, and 5t,
drivetrain components. Any one who does monster trucks probably deals with them.
They are good folks to deal with.
*************************************************************************
Kim Smith
1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Landon Tesar" <r16884-at-email.sps.mot.com>
To: <fsj-at-digest.net>
Sent: 07 September, 2000 09:19
Subject: fsj: Diesel FSJ
> Seriously, if
> I were going to do a diesel FSJ, I'd go with a T400 tranny era rig, and
> drop in one
> of those low mileage, well maintained military take outs from Boyce.
>
> Kim -
>
> can you tell us more about Boyce? Maybe you sent us a link some time
> ago and noted that they had their act together....
> We had a TH425 in the Olds Toronado behind (next to ?) the 350 Diesel.
> I think it went out 2 or 3 times. Dad said the diesels make so much
> torque at the low end, the trans. couldn't handle it. Of course,
> anything can be built properly. He's now got Dodge cummins w/ 4spd auto
> and loves it.
>
> - Landon
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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:13:22 -0700
From: john <john-at-virtual-cafe.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: Mature FSJ needs good home
well... we have some folks in Colorado Springs that might be
able to help you out... :) I'm forwarding this to a couple
of FSJ lists... there is a bunch of FSJ maniacs out there that
call themselves the ColoradoFSJs or something like that... nice
bunch... I've gotten a few pieces off of one rig they're dismembering
right now. :)
you're probably right on the tranny... these things eat trannies
and starters. :) there are things you can do to prevent problems,
but I understand your situation... sorry to hear about your
health problems. Of course you know your service will not go
unrewarded. :)
Ever heard of Kevin Jones? He's got Lou Gehrig's disease... he
goes to my church... Antioch Bible Church.
Anyway, if you have pictures I'd be glad to put them up on my
server to help you find this rig a new home. :) I personally
would like to have the axles, transmission and transfer case,
but postage on said items would be more than I can afford right now. :)
john
At 02:12 PM 9/7/00 -0600, Doug Lagasse <douglagasse-at-compuserve.com> wrote:
>John,
>
>Loved your site, and am encouraged to see a guy integrate his life on-line.
>Jeeps, Java, and Jesus! I've been a missionary to China since 1985, though
>my health precipitated our recent relocation to Colorado Springs wherer I
>now serve in mobilization and coordination. My lungs are failing from cystic
>fibrosis, so my back-packing days are over, and mt.bike days numbered. But
>there are thousands of miles of back-roads out here...!
>
>I've enjoyed my 1980 Jeep Grand Wagoneer for two years since I returned from
>Hong Kong. I got it from a friend (the original owner.) They kept great care
>of the interior, and the body is in great shape. It's got about 110k miles
>with 20k of that on a rebuilt engine. Sad to say, the rebuild was not done
>well, and it may be time for another. I'm afraid the tranny is not long for
>this world either. The wife says we can't spend any more on "fixing up" the
>old girl. (I think she's jealous) I'm hoping you may lead me to a better
>market than parking it the corner grocer with a For Sale sign on it. I've
>heard FSJ guys will sometimes buy into this sort of thing for the parts so
>they can merge stuff into their other Jeep. Got any counsel for me?
>
>Doug
>OC International
>
>
- ------------------------------------------------------
http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
"The truth which makes men free is for the most part
the truth which men prefer not to hear."
---Herbert Sebastian Agar
Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
- -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:51:36 -0500
From: "Landon Tesar" <r16884-at-email.sps.mot.com>
Subject: fsj: Interesting specs on the M715
Hi,
If you like numbers, take a gander,
http://www.omnicast.net/users/rdjo/m715dataindex.htm
4spd, oh only 1.96:1 low range, OOHHH! 5.87:1 axle ratio Now I get the
60 mph rated top speed.
I think I'll go hang around Fort Hood, and see if there are any left.
Then I KNOW the neighbors would leave me alone. Well, that, and a Vote
Libertarian sign in the front yard. Maybe there's a contradiction
there.
- - Landon
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Date: 7 Sep 00 16:26:08 MDT
From: Michael Shimniok <michael.shimniok-at-usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: fsj: Power valve vacuum]
I once helped a guy local here (CFSJA member) get his 80 running again.
It was running REALLY rich (like thick black smoke at idle, could barely
run). Why? Because the gasket for the power valve was MISSING and
gas was leaking from the bowl into the cover that bolts in over the
power valve and because it is hooked to manifold vacuum, that extra
gas was getting drawn right into the manifold. We put a gasket in
place, problem solved, truck ran fine (after some minor adjustments
to get it to a tolerable level).
Honest and for true, the 2150 power valve is actuated by an EXTERNAL
manifold vacuum source. I have 5 of these carbs, they are all the
same. Two of them on my two FSJs, both the same. Vacuum keeps the
valve shut, no vacuum lets it open and richen the mixture. Can't speak
to 2100 carbs or any other carb with a power valve, but I have gotten
familiar with 2150's and at least all the ones I've seen (1980 and up)
all work this way. I even verified that there is vacuum at this line,
and if you pull and plug it, you bomb emissions with HC and CO levels
3X normal (e.g., rich mixture)!
This carb is probably not a 2150 but something else... ... ? ?? ? :)
Hope this helps.
Michael
Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) wrote:
> A: I think the line on the later models is to catch any gas should the
> accel pump or powervalve diaphram gets punctured, to keep fuel from
> spilling on the hot manifold and causing a fire.
>
> Landon Tesar wrote:
> Hi, Thanks for all your help.
> I compared the old carb I got from the junkyard - mid '80s? to the one
> on my '89. The older one does not have the vacuum fitting down in front,
> supporting what Kim said about the vacuum source being internal. I
> checked for vacuum at the fitting in front of the carb and didn't find
> any at idle.(could change based on throttle position) I put a tee in the
> vacuum line leading up from the manifold to the vacuum canister(bulb) on
> the firewall, and ran vacuum line to the fitting in the front of the
> carb. Of course if the bulb is a vacuum reservoir, it won't
> theoretically drop vacuum quickly, but we'll worry about that later. The
> truck is running great this morning, will let you know how the gas
> mileage works out. The brown smoke may just mean that I've toasted the
> rings. Will do a compression test.
> - Landon
>
> *************************************
> JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688
> http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html
> **************************************
- ---
Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that
is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken
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