From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Oct 29 00:51:28 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, October 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1086 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: message bounced Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case fsj: Re: pattern size on 5 bolt rims... fsj: Re: message bounced fsj: FSJ Auction price Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case fsj: the np219 fsj: Thanks Richard Welty Re: fsj: Thanks Richard Welty Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case Re: fsj: FSJ Auction price fsj: Vancouver Core Supply fsj: RE: FSJ Auction price Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case fsj: NP231 with Currie Elimination Kit for sale fsj: Windshield wipers not Homing fsj: fsj kind of day... Re: fsj: Windshield wipers not Homing Re: fsj: Windshield wipers not Homing fsj: [Fwd: rear wiper] Re: fsj: Windshield wipers not Homing fsj: WooHoo! It's mine! fsj: FWD: eBay Daily Status fsj: wrestling springs... fsj: Re: Vancouver Core Supply Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case fsj: Re: fsj kind of day... fsj: Re: [Fwd: rear wiper] FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: message bounced A: The NP219 should be okay with 350 HP, as long as you aren't constantly romping on it. A NP229 is better in 2WD for handling HP (not as much stress on the viscous coupler aka VC clutch) but the NP219 doesn't have 2WD as an option, so the VC is always stressed in 4 hi, but not 4hi lock. If you are off highway or on slippery surface and have to push a lot of horsepower (ie:pulling a trailer up a snow covered hill) I suggest putting it in 4 hi lock to relieve the stress. DON'T use it on dry pavement or suspension windup can cause damage! JOHN WROTE: it takes ATF. I'm not sure how many ponies the NP cases will handle, but I suspect 350 shouldn't do too much damage... it's chain driven, but it is aluminum cased. I'll cc the FSJ list on this to see what other opinions on it are. I know the old Borg Warner Quadratracs worked well behind 401's. john klarke crosby At 12:12 PM 10/28/00 -0300, you wrote: Hi John found youre site online when searching for some info on my transfer case. Let me start off by telling me that i have a 1980 cherokee with a 360 engine and of course a 219 ap tranfer case.Ihave been using the old girl for a tough truck unit ,lol My plans for here are to hop the engine to 350 horses and cage the inside for ralleys. No one in the area nows much about the transfer case including my self i was hoping that you could help me out with any info you could on the unit, including fluid type problems with the unit as a whole .Any info would be appreciated. Thanks again ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case the NP219 uses a differentiated unit, not a VC... afaik, only the nP229 used the viscous coupler... the np228, 219 and 242 use a differential to distribute the power... john On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, James Blair wrote: >-->A: The NP219 should be okay with 350 HP, as long as you aren't >-->constantly romping on it. A NP229 is better in 2WD for handling HP (not >-->as much stress on the viscous coupler aka VC clutch) but the NP219 ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:19:45 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: pattern size on 5 bolt rims... Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) A: 5 on 5" shared with Ford and IH as well as CJ Make that 5 on 5.5", and didn't 70's Dodge pickups use that pattern too? One thing to bear in mind. The center hole on these early Jeep rims needs to be bigger than any other except maybe IH which I think also used an external hub. Jeep used a larger diameter hub. Also 2-wheel drive rims won't work at all. Ford, etc., 4x4 rims use a 3 3/8" center hole. Early Jeeps used a 4.25" center hole (according to the one on my spare rim). You can hog out the center hole without sacrificing strength, but you have to make sure it's mounted on a wheel balancer using the lug holes rather than the center hole. Why do I have all this info readily available? Yesterday I bought a set of Ford rims with studded tires for cheap. The studs will go on the wife's Bronco until they're used up and then the rims will go on the Wagoneer -- after I do the front axle swap and have internal hubs. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 11:20:36 -0700 From: "Karl-at-Nookit.com" Subject: fsj: Re: message bounced Man, I love this. I still haven't picked up the Wag from John's place yet, so I haven't spent much time asking questions about anything on here, I've just been quietly watching my inbox swell up with FSJ questions and answers. I can't wait to get started on mine, so I can pick your brains! You guys are some Jeep nerds! I mean that in the nice way! Like I'm a computer nerd...hehe I really like the fast response time between someone asking a question and getting 3 or 4 answers! Good show, everyone, keep it up! (Well, at least until after I get the Wag rebuilt!) hehe Karl - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" To: Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: fsj: message bounced > A: The NP219 should be okay with 350 HP, as long as you aren't > constantly romping on it. A NP229 is better in 2WD for handling HP (not > as much stress on the viscous coupler aka VC clutch) but the NP219 > doesn't have 2WD as an option, so the VC is always stressed in 4 hi, but > not 4hi lock. If you are off highway or on slippery surface and have to > push a lot of horsepower (ie:pulling a trailer up a snow covered hill) I > suggest putting it in 4 hi lock to relieve the stress. DON'T use it on > dry pavement or suspension windup can cause damage! > > JOHN WROTE: > it takes ATF. > I'm not sure how many ponies the NP cases will handle, but I suspect 350 > shouldn't do too much damage... it's chain driven, but it is aluminum > cased. I'll cc the FSJ list on this to see what other opinions on it > are. > I know the old Borg Warner Quadratracs worked well behind 401's. john > klarke crosby > At 12:12 PM 10/28/00 -0300, you wrote: > Hi John found youre site online when searching for some info on my > transfer case. > > Let me start off by telling me that i have a 1980 cherokee with a 360 > engine and of course a 219 ap tranfer case.Ihave been using the old girl > for a tough truck unit ,lol My plans for here are to hop the engine to > 350 horses and cage the inside for ralleys. > No one in the area nows much about the transfer case including my self i > was hoping that you could help me out with any info you could on the > unit, including fluid type problems with the unit as a whole .Any info > would be appreciated. Thanks again > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 > http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html > ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:58:57 EDT From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: FSJ Auction price Just came back from an Auction in Benicia, Ca - a 84 Wag was going up for sale. Waited 2 hours for it to show up. Finally when the Wag went up for sale, they announced that only dealers could bid!! It was in fair to good condition but it was running with no noticeable probs. 300 Bucks out the door. I almost died. I'll need to get a dealers license for the next time. Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:12:57 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case true, but my point is that the 229 is the only one using a viscous coupler... is that correct? the manuals I've looked at seem to indicate that. and the diagrams I put on my server seem to support that... correct me if I'm wrong. :) john At 02:46 PM 10/28/00 -0400, Ray Drouillard wrote: >The 229 also has a differential. The differential is surrounded by the >viscous coupler, and the VC keeps it from slipping too much. > >Ray Drouillard - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:19:28 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: the np219 ...from the manual: the model 219 provides fully differentiated operation in four-wheel high range. this is accomplished through a torque biasing viscous coupling. pg 2d-1 1981 factory service manual... john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:26:27 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Thanks Richard Welty Thank you Richard. It can't be said often enough. I don't suppose he has time to read this list though. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco > From: john > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:46:47 -070 > We really need to say thanx to Richard Welty for supporting our automotive > insanity. ;) We love you richard! :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Thanks Richard Welty A: Hear hear! Give a cheer! Ben wrote: Thank you Richard. It can't be said often enough. I don't suppose he has time to read this list though. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 '88 Bronco From: john Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:46:47 -070 We really need to say thanx to Richard Welty for supporting our automotive insanity. ;) We love you richard!   :) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case A: I saw the later post where you capitulated. Perhaps you were confused with the NP242? Or does it actually have a VC too? John wrote: true, but my point is that the 229 is the only one using a viscous coupler... is that correct? the manuals I've looked at seem to indicate that. and the diagrams I put on my server seem to support that... correct me if I'm wrong. :) john At 02:46 PM 10/28/00 -0400, Ray Drouillard wrote: The 229 also has a differential. The differential is surrounded by the viscous coupler, and the VC keeps it from slipping too much. Ray Drouillard ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: FSJ Auction price A: They probably didn't want anyone coming back and griping about it, or it failed CA emissions and was an out-of-state vehicle. Rob wrote: Just came back from an Auction in Benicia, Ca - a 84 Wag was going up for sale. Waited 2 hours for it to show up. Finally when the Wag went up for sale, they announced that only dealers could bid!! It was in fair to good condition but it was running with no noticeable probs. 300 Bucks out the door. I almost died. I'll need to get a dealers license for the next time. Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Vancouver Core Supply anyone need a core motor in the Pacific NorthWest? ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** http://www.vancore.ca/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:03:16 -0700 From: "Mike D'Ambrogia" Subject: fsj: RE: FSJ Auction price they hold the alameda county auctions first saturday of the month, lots of newer cherokee's this time around http://www.acauction.com/early5.htm#JeepGrand > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > RKH911-at-aol.com > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:59 AM > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: FSJ Auction price > > > Just came back from an Auction in Benicia, Ca - a 84 Wag was going up for > sale. Waited 2 hours for it to show up. Finally when the Wag > went up for > sale, they announced that only dealers could bid!! It was in > fair to good > condition but it was running with no noticeable probs. 300 Bucks out the > door. I almost died. I'll need to get a dealers license for the > next time. > > Rob Harrison > 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:33:32 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case At 02:47 PM 10/28/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: >A: I saw the later post where you capitulated. Perhaps you were confused >with the NP242? Or does it actually have a VC too? > >John wrote: nope, the np242 and np228 do not have a vc... those diagrams are on my site. ;) but the np219 and np229 have vc's. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:15:50 -0700 From: Whit Subject: fsj: NP231 with Currie Elimination Kit for sale I just upgraded to an Atlas and now have a NP 231 transfer case with Currie Yoke Elimination Kit for sale. It came from an '89 Jeep Cherokee (left hand drop). It is in good condition. The chain was replaced and has almost no 4WD usage on it. The shifting seems looser than I would like and does not solidly click into position but it doesn't seem to be a problem. Located in Portland OR. $400 takes it. Whit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:00:00 -0700 From: Paul & Megan Kershner Subject: fsj: Windshield wipers not Homing Anyone out there remember what the problem is on my '84 GW when I turn the WW off they just stop. They don't go home. Also, when I turn it to interval wipe, the just move once and stop. John M suggested that it may be a bad ground on the WW motor, but I should ask the list. Thanks in advance. pk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:51:30 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: fsj kind of day... I'm slowly making progress on my truck, slowly is the operative word... ;) hooking up the IPF backup lights, a relay for the manifold heater, a microswitch to flash the IPF 800's :) and then still plan on doing the 2" blocks. paul came by with his '84 GW, looks great. nice carpet work and seats... well, back outside... later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:05:01 EDT From: BLW1540-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Windshield wipers not Homing In a message dated 10/28/00 18:13:31 Central Daylight Time, pk.mlk-at-verizon.net writes: > Anyone out there remember what the problem is on my '84 GW when I turn > the WW off they just stop. They don't go home. Also, when I turn it to > interval wipe, the just move once and stop. FWIW, the dealer replaced the intermittent wiper control when I had the same problem with respect to my 95 Escort and that seemed to solve the problem. Bruce Wilson 84 GW Des Moines, IA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:14:03 -0700 From: Whit Subject: Re: fsj: Windshield wipers not Homing The wiper motor was bad on my 84. They just go bad sometimes and fixing the motor is more expensive then getting a replacement. It can't hurt to check the ground but the motors do go bad. Whit At 04:00 PM 10/28/00 -0700, Paul & Megan Kershner wrote: >Anyone out there remember what the problem is on my '84 GW when I turn >the WW off they just stop. They don't go home. Also, when I turn it to >interval wipe, the just move once and stop. > >John M suggested that it may be a bad ground on the WW motor, but I >should ask the list. > >Thanks in advance. >pk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:03:31 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: fsj: [Fwd: rear wiper] Hi group, Can anyone help this Jeeper with rear wiper parts? JeepNut Riskntrade-at-aol.com wrote: > Do you know of anyone who is parting out a late eighties Grand Wagoneer? I > need the rear wiper motor and rubber stopper that goes beneath the wiper > blade arm nut on tailgate ???? > > Thanks so much - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Windshield wipers not Homing A: The wiper switch has a ground wire on it, and if it comes off, that's how they act. I have switches, interval boxes ($15 pair) and wiper motors if you need one. ($15 each) At 04:00 PM 10/28/00 -0700, Paul & Megan Kershner wrote: Anyone out there remember what the problem is on my '84 GW when I turn the WW off they just stop. They don't go home. Also, when I turn it to interval wipe, the just move once and stop. John M suggested that it may be a bad ground on the WW motor, but I should ask the list. Thanks in advance. pk ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: WooHoo! It's mine! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=475766838 Top bidder at $5! ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: FWD: eBay Daily Status No one wants a Grand Wagoneer frame for $1? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=477191212 477189232: NR '84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer frame AMC Bidding starts at: $1.00 Auction ends on:   Oct-28-00 01:08:59 PDT ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 00:18:13 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: wrestling springs... I got the driver's side done... had to wrestle the axle one way, the spring another, hammer and pop, in it went... but the passenger side is giving me grief... the pin is oh so close... I've jacked up the axle, lowered the truck, I've jacked up the truck lowered the axle... the axle is just one 1/2 dia of the pin away from seating... in two directions... I've got my 5' heavy duty breaker bar and all I've managed to do is bean myself with it... I may be dreaming under the truck right now... :) I'm so close... and I'm so tired... I went in the house to get help... but everyone went to bed already... sheesh, don't they know they get an extra hour of sleep tonight? ;) Ok, it's 12:17, er, 11:17, right? anyway... I'm tired, but the weather is gonna get ugly... Any suggestions on how to get the pin to line up on the axle? (clip all the junk I wrote before this question... ;) ttyl, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:40:40 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: Vancouver Core Supply Subject: fsj: Vancouver Core Supply > anyone need a core motor in the Pacific NorthWest? > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 > http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html > ************************************** > http://www.vancore.ca/ Now wait just a darn minute! This is a family friendly site [no, NOT like the Clinton's!] and here you are, promoting a real hard-core website! LOLOL ************************************************************************* Kim Smith 1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:41:42 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 219 ap transfer case One viscous rumor after anohter. ;-) ************************************************************************* Kim Smith 1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219 > At 02:47 PM 10/28/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: > >A: I saw the later post where you capitulated. Perhaps you were confused > >with the NP242? Or does it actually have a VC too? > > > >John wrote: > > > nope, the np242 and np228 do not have a vc... those diagrams are on my site. ;) > but the np219 and np229 have vc's. :) > > john > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > "The truth which makes men free is for the most part > the truth which men prefer not to hear." > ---Herbert Sebastian Agar > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:43:50 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: fsj kind of day... > I'm slowly making progress on my truck, slowly is the > operative word... ;) hooking up the IPF backup lights, > a relay for the manifold heater, a microswitch to flash > the IPF 800's :) and then still plan on doing the 2" blocks. And here I thought you'd quit doing that, flashing, that is. ;-) ************************************************************************* Kim Smith 1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:45:09 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: [Fwd: rear wiper] > Hi group, > Can anyone help this Jeeper with rear wiper parts? > JeepNut What part of the TP does he need? ROFL ************************************************************************* Kim Smith 1980 Wagoneer "Joe", 360,2v,727,219 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1086 **************************