From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 31 21:40:29 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, October 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1089 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: FSJ? fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work Re: fsj: First day on the job! Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work fsj: November events Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work Fwd: Re: fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses Re: fsj: November events Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work fsj: option # 7 Re: fsj: option # 7 Re: fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work fsj: Re: IPF 816 Back-Up Light FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:08:26 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: FSJ? >From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) >Subject: fsj: '56 Jeep pick up for sale in Seattle >A: Not mine! (I wish!) been sitting, good title $1000 206-763-8526 >(Would this qualify as a FSJ?) technically no, but we've always permitted discussion of Willys Pickups and Wagons. :) There are specific requirements that we established when we started the original list. They are stated at: http://www.wagoneers.com/john/JEEP/FSJ-charter.html BASICALLY: ============ An "FSJ" is any vehicle produced in North America, carrying the "Jeep" nameplate, with 2 or 4drs, in 2 or 4wd, whose wheelbase does not exceed 132", nor is less than 108", and whose tread width is no more than 63" nor less than 57". - -------------------------- This definition is known to include the following models: Wagoneer: 1963-1983 Gladiator and J-series pickup: 1963-1987 Cherokee: 1974-1983 Grand Wagoneer: 1984-1991 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ALL FULL-SIZE JEEPS HAVE A JEEP MODEL DESIGNATOR OF: SJ "WE" were the following: ============================ VEHICLE, NAME, STATE, E-MAIL (sorted by Vehicle age...) - --------------------------------- 67 Super Wagoneer, Ken Wetherall, California (met in 1998, visited in 1999) 68 Wagoneer, David Klingenberg, Idaho (met in 1997) 74 Wagoneer, Rolf Aalto, Washington (only lives a few miles away...) 75 J-10, Hunter Hasbrouck, Alaska 76 Wagoneer, Ron Strouss, Washington (met in 1997) 77 Chief, Russ Campbell, Oregon 79 Cherokee, Michael Baxter, Nevada (met in 1999) 79 Cherokee, Ed Pedersen, Vancouver, B.C. (met in 1997, visited several times) 79 J-10, Rich Holley, Nebraska 79 Wagoneer, Mike Lacher, N. Dakota (posted "wagoneer owners unite") 81 Wagoneer Ltd, John Meister, Washington (worked w/ Mike Lacher to start FSJ list) 82 Wagoneer, Steve Nordby, Mass. 84 Wagoneer, Allen Lundgren, Texas 85 J-10, Dennis Fariello, Florida (met in 1996, visited in Apr 2000) later, john meister - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:40:37 EST From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work Yeah, having a frame bender do it makes much better sense to me now! :-) Heh Heh Heh LOL - --Vince In a message dated 10/29/00 9:02:46 PM Central Standard Time, RayLists-at-quixnet.net writes: > Gee, I forgot to mention all the little doomaflotchies that are attached to > the frame - and I forgot all about the engine and transmission. > > I have a better idea: Put the new frame up on blocks and start transferring > the Jeep from the old frame to the new frame piece by piece :-) > > OK... if I REALLY had to do it, I would block the vehicle up, then remove > the axles and suspension and put them under the new frame. Then, it would > be an issue of moving everything piece by piece. It would actually be worth > it if you happen to be doing major work anyhow. > > In your situation, I would simply have a frame bender put it on the stand > and make sure that all the points are where they should be, and that there > are no serious folds. > > Ray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:40:40 EST From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: First day on the job! I hear a chair works pretty good! But seriously, you might try some cushioned insoles or shoes made for what you are doing. Also, when my wife worked the sales floor, I got her one of those foot massagers that you put water and epsom into and it vibrates the heck out of your feet while soaking them good. - --Vince '81 Wag In a message dated 10/29/00 11:35:26 PM Central Standard Time, Carnuck-at-webtv.net writes: > A: Does anyone know an easy way to soothe aching feet? 8 hours with only > a 15 minute break from standing on concrete! > > Way to go Jim! Good luck in your new job! --Vince > Carnuck-at-webtv.net writes: > I'm off to work now. Catch you all later! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:40:38 EST From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work Thanks Jim but I'm fairly certain my wife would kill me, the girls (I have 3) would abandon me, the neighbors and the city would complain, and even my dog would probably run away if I tried to do this here in suburban Chicago.......If I ever get back to Iowa, where I can hide stuff like this, I would have seriously considered it! - --Vince P.S. I have to share this: My 10 year old daughter is hung up on go-carts right now and she was looking over my spare 360 in the garage. She says, "Hey Dad! Would that motor work in a go-cart?" All I could do is smile. :-) In a message dated 10/29/00 11:21:13 PM Central Standard Time, Carnuck-at-webtv.net writes: > A: I can ask some car hauler and freight co.s how much to wherever, but > it has to be gone by thursday! > > Vince wrote: > Thanks Ray. Makes a guy seriously think about taking Jim (Carnuck) up on > his spare Wagoneer frame! > --Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:45:13 EST From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work They cost me $26.06 for two and it took me about 5 hours because I screwed around trying to take off the inside nuts when it is much easier to remove the upper brackets from the motor. Most of the time was just getting my hoist out, putting it's legs down and situating a chain on the motor so I wouldn't break anything when I hoisted it. - --Vince '81 Wag In a message dated 10/30/00 7:09:18 PM Central Standard Time, whomever-at-whoever.com writes: > I busted my motor mounts (and tranny mounts too) driving to Cabo San Lucas > (From Seattle). We did a lot of off roading to get to some isolated beaches > while in Baja. I paid a mechanic $30 to weld on some chain around the > tranny mount and to each side of the engine mounts. Worked excellent and I > still got to do a bunch more off roading while I was down there without any > worries. > > Anyways, I was just curious what those cost you and approx. how long did it > take? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:11:00 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: November events The Jeep Wagoneer made it's "grand" debut on November 14, 1962. Production ended in 1992 with only 4 Grand Wagoneers produced that model year. The last GW is located at the National Auto Museum in Reno, NV. I've touched it... :) The "official" last year for the gW was 1991. For the J-trucks the last year was 1987. Reports of 1988 models surface, but build dates indicate late 1987 models registered as 1988's. The last year of the stepside was 1984. In 1983 only 4,206 J-10's were made. I just read an article in Motor Trend that Ford was thinking of making a "limited production" run of a "Bullit" Mustang of about 4,000 units! Remember when Steve McQueen drove that beautiful '68 Mustang? I remember going to see the movie... in my '68 Mustang. :) Motor trend said that was the best chase scene of all time, I can't disagree. :) Other happenings in November: Pink Floyd's "wish you were here" album was released 25 years ago this month. I was married November 15th, 25 years ago. (my birthday is the 17th, I was 18. :) john - ---------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.freegift.net/ - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:24:33 -0500 From: "Ray Drouillard" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work > P.S. I have to share this: My 10 year old daughter is hung up on go-carts > right now and she was looking over my spare 360 in the garage. > She says, "Hey Dad! Would that motor work in a go-cart?" > All I could do is smile. :-) Yes, Virginia, that 360 would certainly power a go-cart! I'm sure that your daddy can weld a nice go-cart out of some spare steel that he has hanging around. Then, he can bold on some spare Dana 44 axles with spools (no suspension - just use 44" tires at 4 PSI). An NV4500 transmission, Atlas transfer case, and a couple of custom driveshafts would round out the drivetrain. A few other spare parts, like some GW seats, steering gear, steering wheel, etc. would give you a go-cart that would be the talk of the neighborhood! Ray Drouillard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:28:36 -0800 From: "Karl-at-Nookit.com" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work hehe...can I drive your daughter's go-cart? Just around the block? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Drouillard" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:24 PM Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work > > P.S. I have to share this: My 10 year old daughter is hung up on > go-carts > > right now and she was looking over my spare 360 in the garage. > > She says, "Hey Dad! Would that motor work in a go-cart?" > > All I could do is smile. :-) > > Yes, Virginia, that 360 would certainly power a go-cart! I'm sure that your > daddy can weld a nice go-cart out of some spare steel that he has hanging > around. Then, he can bold on some spare Dana 44 axles with spools (no > suspension - just use 44" tires at 4 PSI). An NV4500 transmission, Atlas > transfer case, and a couple of custom driveshafts would round out the > drivetrain. A few other spare parts, like some GW seats, steering gear, > steering wheel, etc. would give you a go-cart that would be the talk of the > neighborhood! > > Ray Drouillard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:11:05 -0800 From: john Subject: Fwd: Re: fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses >Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:25:46 -0600 >From: JeepNut >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: john >Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses > >Hi to Michael & Lucille / John, > How much wiring is needed? I just replaced the engine side with a new >harness in August. Nice one too. Admittedly I haven't checked for other >pieces, but would assume other sections would be available. > Get all 4,206 '83 J10 owners together and order some here >http://www.us-wire-harness.com/ Someone had some made, cause that's >where my '88 engine side harness came from (P/N 56003641 Rev. A) > Let me know what wiring is needed and I will be happy to check Specialty >Parts to see if they have what's needed or a workaround. (like why wouldn't a >wagoneer harness work?) > JeepNut > > >john wrote: > > > At 08:07 PM 10/30/00 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hello John > > >here is Lucille > > >I speak with Michael and he say he need a Wiring Harnesse for the Truck. > > >He say ,for the Motor we can buy some parts in Germany.Id woud be nice if > > >you can help us to buy one. > > > best wishes from Michael and special thanks for helping us!!!! > > > > We can't even buy a new wiring harness here in the states. > > You'll have to make your own or use a generic aftermarket wiring kit. > > > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > "The truth which makes men free is for the most part > > the truth which men prefer not to hear." > > ---Herbert Sebastian Agar > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------- >'87 Street Comanche #24/100 >'88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... >'92 Cherokee >---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:45:19 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: November events A: There is a 289 powered '64 or '65 4 dr sedan Fairlane near me for $300 John wrote: The Jeep Wagoneer made it's "grand" debut on November 14, 1962. Production ended in 1992 with only 4 Grand Wagoneers produced that model year. The last GW is located at the National Auto Museum in Reno, NV. I've touched it... :)   The "official" last year for the gW was 1991. For the J-trucks the last year was 1987. Reports of 1988 models surface, but build dates indicate late 1987 models registered as 1988's. The last year of the stepside was 1984. In 1983 only 4,206 J-10's were made. I just read an article in Motor Trend that Ford was thinking of making a "limited production" run of a "Bullit" Mustang of about 4,000 units! Remember when Steve McQueen drove that beautiful '68 Mustang? I remember going to see the movie... in my '68 Mustang. :) Motor trend said that was the best chase scene of all time, I can't disagree. :) Other happenings in November: Pink Floyd's "wish you were here" album was released 25 years ago this month. I was married November 15th, 25 years ago. (my birthday is the 17th, I was 18. :) john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work A: That's what I plnned to do with Elmo, with the new axles, motor, ect all put on the frame, and the body lowered on w/o the front clip, and including the body lift kit I bought, and 3" lift springs. That would have taken a weekend to swap, going by how long it took to take apart the '84 GW the frame came from(rust coating the frame and floor notwithstanding) RayLists-at-quixnet.net writes: Gee, I forgot to mention all the little doomaflotchies that are attached to the frame - and I forgot all about the engine and transmission.     I have a better idea: Put the new frame up on blocks and start transferring the Jeep from the old frame to the new frame piece by piece :-)     OK... if I REALLY had to do it, I would block the vehicle up, then remove the axles and suspension and put them under the new frame. Then, it would be an issue of moving everything piece by piece. It would actually be worth it if you happen to be doing major work anyhow.     In your situation, I would simply have a frame bender put it on the stand and make sure that all the points are where they should be, and that there are no serious folds.     Ray ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: option # 7 A: From the Jokeman   -------------------------------------------- Here is your amusement for the day: Call National Discount Brokers 1. Dial 1-800-888-3999 2. Listen to all of the recorded options 3. Pay attention to option 7. 4. Hit 7 Every Company should have an option 7! ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:58:34 EST From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: option # 7 That was Classic. I will add that to my own auto attendant. Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:03:43 EST From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Wiring Harnesses > How much wiring is needed? >http://www.us-wire-harness.com/ Someone had some made, cause that's >where my '88 engine side harness came from (P/N 56003641 Rev. A) > Let me know what wiring is needed and I will be happy to check Specialty >Parts to see if they have what's needed or a workaround. (like why wouldn't a >wagoneer harness work?) > JeepNut Jeepnut, What did the wiring harness cost? I'm in the market for a new harness on my 360. Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:23:56 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Lots of FSJ Work UrbFarmer-at-aol.com said: {- P.S. I have to share this: My 10 year old daughter is hung up on go-carts {- right now and she was looking over my spare 360 in the garage. {- She says, "Hey Dad! Would that motor work in a go-cart?" {- All I could do is smile. :-) Sounds like you're bringing her up right. :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Halloween! I love any holiday that successfully combines ancient Druidic rituals with teeny tiny snicker-bars. -- Steve Purcell, "Belly of the Beast" - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:48:08 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: IPF 816 Back-Up Light At 09:44 AM 10/31/00 -0800, malice1-at-home.com wrote: >Hi John, >Great site you have there. I loved your write-up on the IPF >Back-Up Lights so much that I decided buy some for myself. I >ran into a small problem; when I went to install them, I found >out I had lost my instructions :-) I know they were there when >I first opened them, but now they're nowhere to be found. I >was wondering if it would be too much trouble for you to scan >the instructions for me. The instructions you have on your site >are somewhat fuzzy, and I can't make out the wiring diagram (which >is what I really need). Thank you for your time. >take care, >phong >----- I've scanned in my copy... it's a little dirty... I just snatched it off of my workbench and scanned it. :) It's at: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/BACKUP-Light/IPF-backuplight-wiring-diagram.JPG other pictures at: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/BACKUP-Light/ I've got the major stuff mounted, now it's just a matter of stringing the wires. I really like the modular aspect of the IPF lights... but you already know that. :) john - ---------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.freegift.net/ - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1089 **************************