From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jun 7 12:30:23 2001 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, June 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1339 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Looking for pistons fsj: FSJ: Transmission Help? fsj: the latest. :) fsj: Transmission output splines & water problem fsj: No Subject fsj: Re: the latest. :) fsj: more pix and a smoke show fsj: Polar remote Key Fob? fsj: WJ axle problems??? fsj: Re: Finally - the auto parts web site we've been waiting for! fsj: a V8 Diesel??? fsj: Re: Polar remote Key Fob? fsj: extended factory warranty? fsj: Re: Polar remote Key Fob? fsj: Updated Engine Parameters Calculator FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:13:10 -0400 From: "Ray (lists)" Subject: fsj: Re: Looking for pistons Our exchange students' parents own an auto parts store in Guachochi, Chihuahua, Mexico. Send me a message off line RayDrou-at-quixnet.net and I'll give you the email address of the younger brother Martin (mar TEEN). Martin is in Chihuahua city going to college right now. If you're in a hurry, you can call the older brother Raul and he might be able to help you. Ray Drouillard - ----- Original Message ----- From: James Blair To: ; <1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com>; ; Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: fsj: Looking for pistons > This is for the 282 cu in 6 cyl made by VAM (Vehiculos Autos Mexicanos) > which was Mexican AMC. Some AMC dealers had these pistons available > stateside, but they ARE available most auto parts stores in MX. We need > at least one, or a set or 10 sets even. If Zack doesn't have any (I'll > wait for his reply first. I can't use his parts program. All I get is > the javascript), is anyone crossing south and back, or heading north > from MX that can pick some up to ship here? > > Here are the factory part numbers: > Std. bore - 813 4527 > .010 over - 89 83 500 419 > .020 over - 813 4528 > .030 over - 813 4529 > .040 over - 813 4530 > > PS: Chrysler updated these numbers with a J in front, but they have been > discontinued, and no dealers show any stock. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:27:53 -0700 From: Jim Pearson Subject: fsj: FSJ: Transmission Help? Hey, y'all.... Typically a lurker, as I usually don't have much wisdom to add (yet! yet! gimme time!).... but I'd like to de-lurk to ask a question or two: My 82 Cherokee Laredo 360/727 has decided to start having transmission problems. Gears seem to slip, shifting seems inconsistent/odd, BIG clunk going into R or D -- don't even really have enough tranny expertise to describe the symptoms, I guess. While I am relatively comfortable doing most work on my own (for better or for worse), I've -never- tackled a Transmission Issue. Always been a big black box between "suck-squeeze-bang-blow" and "Go". So: I'd really appreciate any comments. 1) Is tranny replacement, errm, unbolt-lever-out-lever-in-rebolt easy, or is it something that Trained Professionals should be left to do? Without a real garage of my own (I live in San Francisco, the canyonero lives on the street), should I just consider it a forgone conclusion that she'll have to go into a shop somewhere? 2) Long shot question: Anybody got either (a) a shop recommendation anywhere in the SF Bay Area (so far she still drives, tho I'm getting more and more worried) or, even longer shot, anybody around done a transmission before / got one lying around and interested in teaching someone else the ropes / making a little beer money / bartering for a nice PC or something? 3) Other thoughts? Thanks all, for your time... looking forward to responses. Jim Pearson 1982 Cherokee Laredo... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: the latest. :) I drove the wife's "new" jeep home this morning. :) It's a bit nicer than her old one (or mine)... State Police will retitle it next week. Going to get a trip permit for it and "test" it out for a few days before I let my wife drive it... Got to make sure it's ok doncha know? ;) the "new" Jeep is a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited... even has seat heaters!!! I couldn't figure out why I was getting so warm... ;) separate temp controls even!!! http://wagoneers.com/fotos/WJ-June6-2001/ still need to sell the '87 Cherokee and the '83 300SD. Although my wife has been driving the 300SD and "suggested" that I sell my J10 and keep the 300SD because it gets better mileage. I don't think so. Not an option. :) later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremiah Westpfahl Subject: fsj: Transmission output splines & water problem Hi. Needing some information on output splines on the 727 & 998 transmissions. I've never been into one with a transfer so I was wondering if they were the same size & spline count. Also what about the various standard transmissions(T-18, T-5, etc.)? What size/output did they have & can you swap transfer from a auto to a standard? Finally what about the older transmissions? The -80 had tranfer on opposite side of vehicle, can you swap stuff around to put older trans in later Wagoneer? What's involved? Can the transfer be rotated or do you have to use a later transfer? Is it easily possible to swap a mid 70s T-18(I think)standard into an 80s Auto Waggie? Finally...I'm getting a lot of water into my front floorboards on each side near the outside edge of the carpet. Think my door seals are pretty good, know I need lower-outer Window seals, but shouldn't be getting that much water from them. Anything under dash that can let copious amounts of water in? It's so bad it's seeping through my Jeep floor mats too, gonna have to get a wet/dry vac to everything before carpet rots. Thanks Miah Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:36:32 EDT From: GW1989-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: No Subject I finally took delivery of my new (old) '89 GW. Man is it fun, although I was sad to part with my MB 300CD, but a trailer hitch won't work on the MB. John-why didn't you tell me that parts for the Jeep are so much more than the Mercedes. Example, those 'plugs' that go into the 'wood' trim.....$2 each! Give ME a break. But I do like the fact that 5 quarts of oil does a change, and not 2 gallons like the diesel! And changing the sparkplugs, what a pain in the rear. My hands are killing me. Before and after pictures will be posted on my new GW site tomorrow. PS> What kind of tires and shocks does everybody recommend? I will rarely go off road. I want a smooth, quiet ride. Thanks, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:41:03 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: the latest. :) At 09:13 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Paul W. wrote: >State Police retitling it??? >Was it a insurance total at some point? theft recovery. from what I've been able to piece together it was stolen in Montreal and someone tried to cross the border north of us here and got caught. It had been sitting for a while because the brake rotors are rusted and the aluminum under the hood a little oxidized. Runs great though. The WSP revin'd it... which is strange since all the glass has the vin etched in it... :) So I know what the original Vin was and have a new vin now... The remote FOB that came with it has a remote starter, alarm system controls and so on... pretty cool. I think the thief had it installed... ;) I have to wait until June 14th to get it inspected by the WSP so I can license it. Have a two day permit starting next week... I wonder what the penalty is for driving it without tags, title or registration? ;) Considering that I'm having to wait for the State Police to use it and I have all the paperwork I doubt there is a trooper out there that would give me a ticket anyway. Most of the guys I've met are pretty decent about stuff like this. I could tell some stories about stupid things I've done that they stopped me for... like towing a truck frame with a bent axle from Maple Valley to Machias... the right rear tire was screeching the entire way... :) Oh well, couldn't have afforded the WJ otherwise. But my wife is already figuring out that we can sell it, pay off all our bills and get a nice XJ... For crying out loud she hasn't even driven it yet and she wants to get another XJ... what is the matter with this woman anyway? ;) I think I'm going to sell off my Ultra 10 Computer system to help pay off the bills so we can keep the WJ. ;) I haven't turned it on in weeks, it's a $6,000 computer and it's just sitting here... I'll probably sell my HP-UX system as well, after all I have 40 of each kind at work to play on if I really need to. ;) Most of the time I'm sitting here loading digital pictures or answering email on my windoze machine anyway... ;) If I sell off my parts, extra computers and so on we will be able to keep it. She went through sticker shock when I bought the little wagoneer in '96 too. I heard about how much we paid for it for years. But when I tried to get rid of it a while back she wouldn't part with it. :) john going to add a few more pictures to this directory... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/WJ-June6-2001/ - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:23:43 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: more pix and a smoke show http://wagoneers.com/fotos/WJ-June6-2001/LATER-THAT-DAY/ BTW, For any that don't believe the 4.0L engine has sufficient power, check out this picture... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/WJ-June6-2001/LATER-THAT-DAY/P6060050.JPG or better yet: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/WJ-June6-2001/LATER-THAT-DAY/4.0Liter-plus-limited-slip-equals-smoke.jpg even with 267,342 miles this 4.0L still has enough power to create a nice smoke show... the URL will probably wrap... sorry... The tires were being replaced anyway and we were at the tire shop... ;) generally creating a public nuisance... and generally stinking the pizza place out next door. :) Curtis felt guilty enough to go next door and buy pizza for his family as a gesture of appreciation for them letting us do the smoke show TWICE because the camera didn't work right the first time. :) Digital cameras can be very frustrating with their delays... ;) Also note the pictures of "Rocky", Curtis's Grand Wagoneer getting the tires from the totalled '96 xj... BTW, the rims from the '96 xj were used as a trade in for decent rubber for the '87 Cherokee. I did learn several lessons in the last couple days. 1) the '87 has a GOOD limited slip 2) I still hate Cooper tires, believe them to be about the worst tires out there and 3) of course, as shown in the smoke show pictures above concerning 4.0L's. (it was a lot harder doing it the second time... those tires were sticky on the second attempt... ;) Just took the WJ out for a little test drive... my wife ain't getting an XJ... ;) I'll sell off all my computers to keep this thing... and once she drives it she'll be hooked too. ;) Y'all were right about the gauges, hadn't noticed that before. I was a bit concerned about LOW Oil pressure when I first got it... turns out that was the TEMP gauge... ;) Alan, I did the trip odometer button test, pretty cool light show. :) I saw the J3000 at the gas station and got the guy's number, he's going to sell it... my son is interested, he misses his '67 J3000... ;) He asked me to help him sell his '67 Fairlane so he can buy it. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:53:13 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Polar remote Key Fob? The '99 Grand Cherokee came with a key fob for the remote starter, door unlocks, hatch release and so on... but it's not the stock remote... Of course since it was a stolen car the thief probably had an alarm system installed later... Which brings me to the question, HOW DO I GET A SECOND REMOTE KEY FOB? All it says on it is POLAR. My guess this is something that would have been installed in Canada. The car originated in Montreal. With the VIN would I be able to get original remotes made? Of course it has two sets of VINs now... this ought to make things interesting, eh? ;) thanx, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:51:11 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: WJ axle problems??? What goes wrong with the Dana Vari-Lock axles? I did some testing last night, impressive the way this system works. :) My son was starting to laugh at me for attempting our hill climb test with street tires, the tires started to slip as I slowly climbed the hill... and then it stopped spinning and we crawled up the hill that kept all the rental SUV's at standstill... (except the other Jeep. ;) Hey, axles aren't that hard to deal with... it's just the parts and setup that's the problem. ;) let me know if there are any service bulletins on this, I'm going to attempt to get an extended warranty on this thing. :) later, john > > Hey John: > > > > Nice purchase on the WJ Grand Cherokee (they're nice trucks)... but good > > luck :( The first year of the WJ's with Quadra-Drive... you'll be going > > through axles every 20,000 miles... :( > > > > Mike M. > > > >Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:11:10 -0500 > > > > > >That's no problem for John. He LOVES working on his Jeeps. ;) > > >This way he has something to look forward to every 20k miles or so. > > >He'll only have a few cars so he'll need something to do > periodically! :) > > > > > >Jim/ >Well, probably true but I doubt he has Dana Vari-Lock axles sitting >around his yard!! :) :) >Mike M. - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:57:13 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Finally - the auto parts web site we've been waiting for! At 08:36 AM 6/7/01 -0700, Steve wrote: >Check this site out. It has all the hard to find parts and supplies that >you've been looking for!!! > www.kalecoauto.com/ hey, I could use some of those muffler bearings... I heard that K&N is upset about these guys for that -Air Filter Bypass Kit-, seems it filters better than theirs, adds more horsepower and costs less... I'm thinking about those cross drilled brake lines for my Benz, I hear it really reduces brake fade in high speed stops... ;) john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX from Snohomish, Washington reminding you not to leave life without Jesus. need a choice of tools? try: http://www.sun.com/staroffice/ ============================================================================= Microsoft Certified Professionals are to the computing industry what McDonald Certified Food Specialists are to gourmet restaurants. Michael Bacarella 3/15/2000 (as seen on http://www.slashdot.com/ ) ============================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:32:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: a V8 Diesel??? http://just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=29490&dm=yes is this for the states??? I've been looking at M-class pages and MB's site but haven't spotted it yet... anyone know? john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Polar remote Key Fob? On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, R.J. wrote: >-->What happened to the owner? How in the heck did you get a chance to buy a stolen >-->car? how did you find it? since when does cops sell stolen cars? seems quite a >-->racket that the cops have.. >--> >-->very confused and about the ethics.. >--> >-->R.J. it's not the cops. it was the thief... remember this was an INSURANCE AUTO AUCTION. The police seized the vehicle, held it as evidence, notified the insurance company and since the insurance company had no doubt paid the victim off and they had replaced the vehicle they wouldn't want it back. Would you? A new car, not customized, easily replaced for the loan balance no doubt? The "poor victim" probably got a replacement vehicle with few no miles... ;) So, now the "poor" insurance company, who already paid the insured "victim" off, is sitting there with an impounded vehicle waiting for the judicial system to slap the thief's hand, or the unsuspecting fool who may have borrowed the car from a friend and tried to cross the border, meanwhile having paid out some $29,000 for the vehicle... then they have it hauled, at their expense to an auction lot and waits for that process to happen. Months later, the vehicle comes up for auction and they get the best they can for it... And based on what I saw at the auction, they don't do very well on recovery. So, no, it wasn't the cops doing something, it's the entire system. All caused by one low life thief who is probably out on the streets doing it again. And you know who pays for all this? that's right, you and me... >--> >-->john wrote: >-->> >-->> The '99 Grand Cherokee came with a key fob for the >-->> remote starter, door unlocks, hatch release and so on... but >-->> it's not the stock remote... Of course since it was a stolen >-->> car the thief probably had an alarm system installed later... ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: extended factory warranty? I checked on getting an extended factory warranty on the WJ this morning. Not a problem. :) The guy at the jeep dealer just bought a 2000 WJ himself and said he had heard of a few problems with the axles, although it didn't sound like a big problem. So, I'm looking at $1,800 to $3,000 for an extended warranty to 7 years or 100,000 miles... good idea? john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux **** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://junkscience.com ** http://snopes.com ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA ...don't leave life without Jesus, please... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: Polar remote Key Fob? A: It may be dealer installed. (Check Cartoys) It was pretty common for vehicles to disappear from Montreal (BTW, check seriously for rust starts. They use MEGA salt during winter!) or NY and end up getting reregistered in Alberta.    From: john The '99 Grand Cherokee came with a key fob for the remote starter, door unlocks, hatch release and so on... but it's not the stock remote...   Of course since it was a stolen car the thief probably had an alarm system installed later... Which brings me to the question, HOW DO I GET A SECOND REMOTE KEY FOB? All it says on it is POLAR. My guess this is something that would have been installed in Canada. The car originated in Montreal. With the VIN would I be able to get original remotes made? Of course it has two sets of VINs now... this ought to make things interesting, eh? ;) thanx, john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998 ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:33:42 -0400 From: "Ray (lists)" Subject: fsj: Updated Engine Parameters Calculator I finally moved my updated engine parameters calculator to my website. I now consider it to have reached the level of "beta test." I got rid of a bug, added some documentation, cleaned up my verbiage, and modified some of the formulas. Many thanks to Michael Baxter, Mike Dillon, and all the other people who sent replies. Engine Parameters calculator: http://home.quixnet.net/~cosmic/EngineCalc.htm Gear calculator: http://home.quixnet.net/~cosmic/GearCalc.htm Home Page: http://home.quixnet.net/~cosmic/ Ray Drouillard ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1339 **************************