From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 13 12:27:55 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 13 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1589 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Steering box? Re: fsj: Re: Help! and more help! Re: fsj: Steering box? fsj: FSJ Flyer PDF, you can edit in MP, for new members fsj: Re: Ouray times fsj: Re: Steering box? fsj: transfer case thinking fsj: yahoo down fsj: Virtual Ouray fsj: Re: [1FSJ] transfer case thinking Re: fsj: Re: Ouray times Re: fsj: Re: Steering box? fsj: Steering box found.. fsj: 63 Willys FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:08:47 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Steering box? But then i would be buying another worn out box.. I was thinking a new box? R.J. Dan Black wrote: > "R.J. Baynum" said: > {- But I think it might be a good idea to replace the worn out gears in > {- the steering box.. or the whole box all together.. > {- So.. where do I go to get the parts.. and how hard is this job to do? > > It's not too hard to replace, but it isn't quick and clean, either. A > good used box should be fairly easy to find at a junkyard for a bit over > $50. And if you're really worried about doing it right, I would think a > professional should be able to put it in for an hour's labor. > > On the '88, mine actually tore the steel bracket off the frame. It got > looser and looser over several days until I literally turned the > steering wheel three or four full times to make a 90deg turn, and didn't > necessarily go back all the way. That was pretty interesting -- but a > relatively easy fix for the mechanic or anyone good at welding. (That > must've been about a year ago.) > > We also went to replace the steering box once because it looked like the > box itself was leaking, got it almost completely off, and found the hose > on it had three 1" parallel (running along the length of the hose) > gashes at the end, right before the box, where we couldn't see them > until we got it almost off. Couldn't easily find an official one -- I > think the parts stores were closed -- so we got a similar-sized yellow > high-pressure hose at Lowe's. We were a little concerned it might not > tolerate the heat in the summer, but I haven't had any problems. :) > That was probably over a year ago, maybe two. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty, ninety > Gotta be a place where they can't find me > Watching all those bridges burn behind me > -- The Bangles > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:34:20 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Help! and more help! A: John is very likely right on the ignition module being the source of trouble, but my 6 cyl '83 Cherokee had a problem with the fuel sock collapsing and blocking the inlet pipe. I pulled the sender out of the tank and put on a new sock, then I added a see through gas filter in the line before the fuel pump. With 20 minutes driving, enough crud came into the filter to nearly block it off. I changed the filter element, and it ran fine after that. (I also ran compressed air throught the fuel pump with the line at the carb dumping into a gas can. Lots of trash in there too. Never had that problem again) If you need an ignition box, I have several good used ones around if you're near Seattle to test it. (they don't cost much to post within the US either) From: john I'm thinking ignition module... or related wiring... pull all the connections you can find, squirt some Amsoil MP or electrical contact cleaner in and reconnect... it may be a heat related failure of the dist. pickup or the ign module itself... you might try splashing some water on the ignition module to see if anything changes... john On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Barry Campbell wrote: Hello again John, Some other symptoms that may help us: The night this first happened I parked the truck for about an hour while I waited for my wife to pick me up. I tried to start it and was successful in getting it running and drive it home on it's own power with only slight changes in performance. I pulled the distributor cap the next morning and saw that I did not push the new rotor completely down so I fixed that and reassembled for a test ride. After about 5 minutes at 65mph she died again and I putted backwards (with a couple back fires) up the on ramp. My wife brought me a new fuel filter which I installed right there. I reassembled and went for another test ride after difficulty starting up (smoke through the air cleaner). I stopped at a station and put in some gas and drove for about 15 minutes before the same situation occured for the third time. I made it home and there it now sits. I have noticed that this engine is rather gutless and sluggish overall. The timing chain had been replaced by my uncle just before I owned it last year. The carb was recently rebuilt and installed by me. I REALLY appreciate your response and am thankful to report that I do have Jesus and look forward to an eternity sharing jeep stories with you in heaven!! Hopefully it won't take an eternity to solve this problem! Thanks, Barry Campbell PS. 18:32-36 PS- Do you have any pet suppliers of FSJ parts and accessories? I was digging through an old Jeep Mag. and found a couple cast valve covers after I already replaced my cracked one with another plastic one. Bummer. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/FESTS/Snohomish-April2-2000/PIC00004.JPG ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Steering box? "R.J. Baynum" wrote: said: {- But I think it might be a good idea to replace the worn out gears in {- the steering box.. or the whole box all together.. {- So.. where do I go to get the parts.. and how hard is this job to do? Dan wrote: It's not too hard to replace, but it isn't quick and clean, either. A good used box should be fairly easy to find at a junkyard for a bit over $50. And if you're really worried about doing it right, I would think a professional should be able to put it in for an hour's labor. A: Check full size GM wagons (not trucks) for 4 bolt boxes. On the '88, mine actually tore the steel bracket off the frame. It got looser and looser over several days until I literally turned the steering wheel three or four full times to make a 90deg turn, and didn't necessarily go back all the way. That was pretty interesting -- but a relatively easy fix for the mechanic or anyone good at welding. (That must've been about a year ago.) We also went to replace the steering box once because it looked like the box itself was leaking, got it almost completely off, and found the hose on it had three 1" parallel (running along the length of the hose) gashes at the end, right before the box, where we couldn't see them until we got it almost off. Couldn't easily find an official one -- I think the parts stores were closed -- so we got a similar-sized yellow high-pressure hose at Lowe's. We were a little concerned it might not tolerate the heat in the summer, but I haven't had any problems. :) That was probably over a year ago, maybe two. A: I had someone remove the bolts from the steeringbox in my '69 Ford pickup. Then they cut my brake lines and pinched them so it felt like I had solid pedal and put my truck in drive (it was facing out of the driveway with a 30' drop across the road into a swamp) Can't be 100% sure, but my (now) ex-girlfriend's ex-husband is the likely suspect. I fired it up, and it shot out of the driveway and into the water before I could bail out. Good thing I always drove with the window down! ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/FESTS/Snohomish-April2-2000/PIC00004.JPG ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:04:18 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: FSJ Flyer PDF, you can edit in MP, for new members This is a FSJ Flyer I made up and pass out to Any FSJ owners I come across, on the street. You can take this in a Microsoft Publisher, and edit in the blank space to add your name and email address on the bottom of the flyer. then simply print on colored paper on one side, then flip stack over print other side, and cut down the middle of flyer to have it covered properly front and back.. I have gotten many thanks from FSJ owners, from leaving on the windshields, or doing a U-turn after spotting one going the other way, and and they shortly pull over into a parking lot , and I smile and say hello, and hand them a Flyer.. Striking up a conversation is easy, they love to talk about their FSJ's! Yes it may seem unconventional, but since we do not have a advertising budget, it is the only way to go.. If you have any questions and or Comments , please feel free to let me know.. Hey , be a good member.. pass some out! you will feel good about yourself for doing a good deed! If you want to add it to your web site, please do! If you did not get it, e mail me.. R.J. Baynum 80 J-10 Honcho 256-881-8018 Huntsville AL. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of jeepflyer.pdf] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:45:34 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Ouray times >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:44:37 CST >From: Dan Black > >Quick question: What nights are people getting reservations for? The >official Invasion dates are Aug 15-17, which is Thu-Fri-Sat. I made mine for Aug 14-18, just in case... Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:45:39 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Steering box? R.J., You checked the front wheel bearings and the steering column joints, right? These things can add up to a very loose feeling front end, but don't cost nearly as much. If you're sure it's the steering gear I'd recommend a remanufactured one. That'll run you $250 to $300. Quality control isn't too good so leave yourself plenty of time in case you have to change it more than once. Ben >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:05:38 -0600 >From: "R.J. Baynum" > >Okay, before I make a big goose chase I may not have to.. >Before I drive 1500 miles to Ouray.. I feel the desperate and the safety needs, >to be working on the considerable play in the steering wheel on my 80 J-10 >Honcho.. >I feel the looseness in the front end when I drive at higher speeds, which is >starting to scare me! >Controlling is becoming a big issue at interstate speeds.. and I have 10.5 ..33" >tires and 4.09 gears at stock height ! >I really need sure footed stability! >Yes, I have already adjusted it, as best as it will go.. it is just plain worned >out.. It travels about 3 to 4 inches before it starts to turn.. and at highway >speeds, say 70 on the interstate, bumping along, it is like wrestling a boa >constrictor, that likes to wiggle... (snip) >But I think it might be a good idea to replace the worn out gears in the steering >box.. or the whole box all together.. > >So.. where do I go to get the parts.. and how hard is this job to do? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:17:44 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: transfer case thinking re: SuperDawg project (83 J10 Stepside) subject: transfer case selection - NP219 vs NP242 issue: mating Aisin Warner 30-80LE 4 speed overdrive and 4.0L out of '96 xj to a transfer case. (23 spline output shaft that is different then the TorqueFlite 727's common to FSJs) options: A) NP219 B) NP242 option A benefits: - already have the NP219 - doesn't require SYE - have the correct drivelines from another J10 - full time quadratrac operation (without special fluid or binding) - works with existing (NP208) lever - eliminates problems with traction on wet roads - fully locked mode in both high and low range option A drawbacks: - need to make custom adapter "sleeve" - have material - NP219 only used a couple of years - makes my new hubs only "decorative", for the most part - no 2wd mode - fuel economy loss because of full time? option B benefits: - 2wd option - 4wd part time and full time - fuel economy??? - wouldn't require an adapter to mate to trans - good xfr case overall - plentiful option B drawbacks: - don't have one, around $300 - uses Slip Yoke - will require driveshaft mods to rear? - will want a SYE - about $270 to $300 - vacuum operated, always been a pain to engage - will want 4:1 gear$$$ too... :) I guess the question boils down to whether I really want to have 2wd as an option. Since it rains about 9 months of the year here and a pickup is usually light in the rear, it makes more sense to have the Quadratrac xfr case, especially since I already have it... only need to have a piece machined. This will save me around $600 to $800 too... guess when you do the math it becomes a no-brainer... :) Unless the fuel economy gains would offset the costs... if it's 1 mpg I guess I'd have to drive for a long, long time to make up even $500... :) I guess leaving the hubs on won't hurt anything. If I ever need to I can disconnect them for towing and just remove the rear shaft... and I could always put it in emergency drive and disconnect the front hubs for "2wd"... So I guess going with the NP219 makes sense... :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:40:44 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: yahoo down From: "Greg Friedman" Subject: Yahoo Groups Down Friday Night to Sunday Morning A note from Yahoo....... Dear Yahoo! Groups Members, The Yahoo! Groups service will be down Friday March 15 9:00 PM PST (GMT-8) as we move our servers to a new facility. We expect the service to be back up the morning of Sunday March 17. During this time the web site will be unavailable and email will not be delivered. (Some users may experience email non-delivery notices, but all email should be delivered once service has resumed.) Please note: once the service is back up, there will be email delays due to backlog. We expect these delays to last no longer than 1 day. Please do not re-send email to your group as it will only add to delays. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. The Yahoo! Groups Team ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:58:43 -0500 From: "B. C." Subject: fsj: Virtual Ouray Greetings To The FSJ World! It is an exciting time for all FSJ owners; a time to celebrate the finest rigs on the road, or trail. It is a time acknowledge the standard that was set 40 years ago; a standard that many have attempted to copy, and none have matched. It is the FSJ invasion of Ouray, 2002!!! What an exciting time for all of us; and even more exciting time for those who can make the journey in person; but what about the rest of us? Those who have to tight of a schedule at the office that we can not take a week away from the grind for a little fun; those who have to admit that the FSJ really belongs to their wife; and she wants no part of going to see tumbleweed. This does not mean that the urge to gather with the brotherhood of FSJ is not in our veins; it just means that we can not make the trek to Ouray. So what shall we do? Maybe we should all send big pictures of our rigs to those who are in attendance at Ouray, and they can carry them to the top of the trail for us, where they could be displayed in amongst all of the real FSJ's for the big group photograph. Maybe we could have little local, "Wish We Were In Ouray Parties" A way to get together with our local FSJ friends, and share the spirit. OK who wants to jump on this thread?? We are creative people; so let's hear your thoughts on this matter. Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." Starfleet Headquarters Ohio Post END TRANSMISSION.................................... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:34:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] transfer case thinking On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 leasley-at-tvec.net wrote: >-->John, the best I can say is that my wife's wag (a 78 Wag 360/TH400/QT), and my 79 WT (360/T-15/D20) get about the same mileage. Personally I'd stick with the NP219, and mainly because it's full time 4wd. Any mileage difference would be negligable, a ccording to those that have converted their QT to part time operation. The front hubs being lockable might be a blessing, because it gives you a "built in" weak spot. In fact, I'll be converting my 79 to the TH400/QT system, and getting rid of the T-15/D20 (already spoken for). Lindel thanx! I'd forgetten about the folks that had converted without gains... or little gain. :) At Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:17:44 -0800 , john wrote: >re: SuperDawg project (83 J10 Stepside) > >subject: transfer case selection - NP219 vs NP242 ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:35:30 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Ouray times me too R.J. Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: > >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:44:37 CST > >From: Dan Black > > > >Quick question: What nights are people getting reservations for? The > >official Invasion dates are Aug 15-17, which is Thu-Fri-Sat. > > I made mine for Aug 14-18, just in case... > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Steering box? okay, thanks.. I am pretty sure that the front end is good, but i will check prior to getting one... i heard that Auto zone had one for 175.00.. But like you said I need to get on it in case i have to replace it again.. before Ouray.. Thanks! R.J. Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: > R.J., > > You checked the front wheel bearings and the steering column joints, right? > These things can add up to a very loose feeling front end, but don't cost > nearly as much. > > If you're sure it's the steering gear I'd recommend a remanufactured one. > That'll run you $250 to $300. Quality control isn't too good so leave > yourself plenty of time in case you have to change it more than once. > > Ben > > >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:05:38 -0600 > >From: "R.J. Baynum" > > > >Okay, before I make a big goose chase I may not have to.. > >Before I drive 1500 miles to Ouray.. I feel the desperate and the safety > needs, > >to be working on the considerable play in the steering wheel on my 80 J-10 > >Honcho.. > >I feel the looseness in the front end when I drive at higher speeds, which is > >starting to scare me! > >Controlling is becoming a big issue at interstate speeds.. and I have 10.5 > ..33" > >tires and 4.09 gears at stock height ! > >I really need sure footed stability! > >Yes, I have already adjusted it, as best as it will go.. it is just plain > worned > >out.. It travels about 3 to 4 inches before it starts to turn.. and at > highway > >speeds, say 70 on the interstate, bumping along, it is like wrestling a boa > >constrictor, that likes to wiggle... > (snip) > >But I think it might be a good idea to replace the worn out gears in the > steering > >box.. or the whole box all together.. > > > >So.. where do I go to get the parts.. and how hard is this job to do? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:52:24 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Steering box found.. Thanks Brad for the info! I am going to enlist a friend of mine before I get started.... He is,.. I should say, More inclined then me, and less apt to break or lose a part, and understands hydralics,.. in this uncharted area.. Oh, Zack... Where do I find the part about replacing the steering box, in the FSM? like the step by step? Or would the Haines or Chilton be better for me? The FSM, is not that easy for me ( a newbie) to figure out what is what and where, in what section.. plus it is loose leaf in a binder, and xeroxed, so the print is hard to read.... Not a very good Quality .. Thanks guys! R.J. 80 J-10 Honcho Huntsville AL. Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Shupe Subject: Re: Steering box? R. J. Well I can answer part of your question because currently I have my Steering gear laying on the garage floor with the pitman arm still attached. Removal of everything except the pitman arm is shall I dare say "easy". I have still yet to break the pitman arm loose. I did work on it last Saturday but I think I will now wait until my little finger heals a bit from the break before I proceed. If you thought you heard a strange noise in you neck of the woods Saturday say about 2:00 it was likely me swearing. That should give you an idea of what I have run into. Others say they have changed several without a real problem. Guess mine it just really stuck from time and area. You can get a replacement from AutoZone for $159. It has a lifetime guarantee. The core charge is as much as the one you buy so unless you have $300 bucks in your pocket take your old one when you pick up the new one. Good Luck Brad Shupe 84 Grand Wagoneer East TN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:21:52 -0800 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: 63 Willys I picked up those axles last night...from a full size blazer...disks in front and drums in back. 410 gears. 6 lug. I also changed my on-order springs to be spring-over in the front, so I'll have less of an arch on those springs which I guess is a good thing...got that done in time. they hadn't started building them yet. My new headers arrived the other day too. Got some Hedmans that are for a Wrangler-GM350 setup. They're small enough to not be in the way of the front driveshaft...I'll have to sell the others to a 2wd truck or car owner....they're pretty really nice...but I cant use em ya know...they came with the 350, so i'm not out cost of two sets which is also good. So with any luck, I'll have springs in my hands by daylight savings time, and should be able to bolt in the new axles at that time...no reason to do it earlier. maybe I can put in all the exhaust stuff in the mean time. later, jeff This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. 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