From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Mar 15 10:23:23 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, March 15 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1591 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Steering box? fsj: Re: transfer case thinking RE: fsj: Flexplate Re: fsj: Flexplate fsj: parts fsj: ideas for 360.. fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: system problems... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:02:06 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Steering box? A: A1 Cardone is the common rebuilder of parts like this. They run about 90% good that I have seen (who knows why on the other 10%. It could be installer error on some, like no fluid change) The hard to turn in the AM sounds like a loose belt to me. It warms up and then works (my Comanche does that too) Is it losing fluid? I'd make sure everything else in the front end is tight before changing the box. (like the bolts that hold it in) Did someone adjust it too far? (I've had to back off several that were cranked down too tight) From: JeepNut R.J., I have a leaker that I just don't want to mess with re-sealing, as it has over 185000 on it anyway. Mine does the same as yours re: the hard to steer cold bit and it is because the fluid keeps running low. When it is down more than half a quart it gets cranky...so I too have a new steering gear box on my March Parts List. I just checked NapaOnline the other day and it shows at about $170.00. AutoZone is about the same, maybe a little less, but I don't like them much. I haven't had great luck with some things I have gotten there. Jim Blair should give us some word on this... maybe someone else.... Are discount parts-house refurbs good enough? Is there a good, better, best we should look for in brand name? Better yet, brand names to run from? JeepNut ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 MJ http://www.geocities.com/eaglemania2002/ Black Jack's before pic: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/FESTS/Snohomish-April2-2000/PIC00004.JPG ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:52:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: transfer case thinking right on dude. :) thanx for the confirmation. u b d man. lw c ya in slc! On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Ken Wetherall wrote: >-->219 >--> >-->Ken Wetherall Concord, CA. >-->http://home.earthlink.net/~kenns9 >--> >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: >-->Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:17 PM >-->Subject: transfer case thinking >--> >--> >-->> re: SuperDawg project (83 J10 Stepside) >-->> >-->> subject: transfer case selection - NP219 vs NP242 >-->> >-->> issue: mating Aisin Warner 30-80LE 4 speed overdrive and >-->> 4.0L out of '96 xj to a transfer case. (23 spline output >-->> shaft that is different then the TorqueFlite 727's common >-->> to FSJs) >-->> >-->> options: >-->> A) NP219 >-->> B) NP242 >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:37:12 -0700 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: fsj: Flexplate Not that it really matters, but from 73 to 79 the 360/TH400/QT was not the only option available. 258, 360, and 401 were all available during those years. TH400, or manual transmission were available. QT and Dana 20 (as well as others) were available. Also, the vacuum switch in the glovebox on BW1339 QT equipped vehicles locks the transfer case, and has no effect on the axles. The best bet is to find a flexplate from a 360/TH400 combo (very common so it should be easy to find). JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" * * * * * =================== "They that can give up * * * * =================== essential liberty to * * * * * =================== obtain a little ============================= temporary safety ============================= deserve neither ============================= liberty nor safety." ============================= -Benjamin Franklin - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of R.J. Baynum - -> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:02 PM - -> To: Brian Turner - -> Cc: Full Size Jeep - -> Subject: Re: fsj: Flexplate - -> - -> - -> Try the Junk yards.. - -> Remember your the quadra tracs, so any wag, or cherokee or J - -> truck, in those years will do 73-79, the 360 engine , and - -> the 400 GM hydromatic tranny was the only option, and as was - -> the standard Borg Warner Qaudra Trac transfer case, all - -> wheel drive system, that has the E Vac switch in the glove - -> box, that locks up both differentials at once.. It is my - -> understanding.. - -> - -> - -> R.J. - -> - -> Brian Turner wrote: - -> - -> > Hi all, my nephew came up north to visit. Well his 78 - -> Wagoneer started - -> > making bad rat tat tat noise. Got under neath and pulled - -> the cover on - -> > the transmission. The flex plate is broken. Two things; one: is it - -> > easier to pull the motor forward or two: drop the axles - -> and pull the - -> > transmission back. Also where is a good place to find the - -> flex plate. - -> > It is a standard 360 with two barrel and th400 trans. And - -> as soon as I - -> > sell my T-bird will start rebuilding the engine in the Cherokee. - -> > Thanks Brian - -> > - -> > 73 Wagoneer - -> > 78 Cherokee - -> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:00:22 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Flexplate oh.. well maybe it was a special order then.. it was my understanding it was just the 360/400 combo was the main or common drive train.. Your right there are 401's.. duh.. and 258.. another duh..... I forgot. and wrote before thinking... Don't listen to me.. I don't know anything.. I am the forest gump of the list..Grin..;) Thanks JC! R.J. JC Jones wrote: > Not that it really matters, but from 73 to 79 the 360/TH400/QT was not > the only option available. 258, 360, and 401 were all available during > those years. TH400, or manual transmission were available. QT and Dana > 20 (as well as others) were available. Also, the vacuum switch in the > glovebox on BW1339 QT equipped vehicles locks the transfer case, and has > no effect on the axles. > > The best bet is to find a flexplate from a 360/TH400 combo (very common > so it should be easy to find). > > JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net > 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" > 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" > * * * * * =================== "They that can give up > * * * * =================== essential liberty to > * * * * * =================== obtain a little > ============================= temporary safety > ============================= deserve neither > ============================= liberty nor safety." > ============================= -Benjamin Franklin > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On > -> Behalf Of R.J. Baynum > -> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:02 PM > -> To: Brian Turner > -> Cc: Full Size Jeep > -> Subject: Re: fsj: Flexplate > -> > -> > -> Try the Junk yards.. > -> Remember your the quadra tracs, so any wag, or cherokee or J > -> truck, in those years will do 73-79, the 360 engine , and > -> the 400 GM hydromatic tranny was the only option, and as was > -> the standard Borg Warner Qaudra Trac transfer case, all > -> wheel drive system, that has the E Vac switch in the glove > -> box, that locks up both differentials at once.. It is my > -> understanding.. > -> > -> > -> R.J. > -> > -> Brian Turner wrote: > -> > -> > Hi all, my nephew came up north to visit. Well his 78 > -> Wagoneer started > -> > making bad rat tat tat noise. Got under neath and pulled > -> the cover on > -> > the transmission. The flex plate is broken. Two things; one: is it > -> > easier to pull the motor forward or two: drop the axles > -> and pull the > -> > transmission back. Also where is a good place to find the > -> flex plate. > -> > It is a standard 360 with two barrel and th400 trans. And > -> as soon as I > -> > sell my T-bird will start rebuilding the engine in the Cherokee. > -> > Thanks Brian > -> > > -> > 73 Wagoneer > -> > 78 Cherokee > -> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:32:17 -0800 From: "Brian Turner" Subject: fsj: parts Just went to autoparts.com and was looking at there site. Does any one know anything about them? Is it a waste of time or can you get parts for amc? The reason I ask is because they ask for the card. Am leary of giving it out. So if the site is well worth it, I will. Would like any feed back. Thanks. On a second note, started looking into the cost of rebuilding the 360 in the 78 Cherokee. By my estimate it is going to be around a twelve hundred to fifteen hundred. This is with me pulling the motor and tearing down, shipping out for the machine work and putting back together. And all the other little things that go along, like rebuild carb, new water pump/distributor and all the other little goodies. Going to school full time and working part time, could pull this off but would stretch the pocket book. Does any one know of a good running 360/401 they are will to sell (live in Wash state). This one has a bad crank, sometime about running it without oil. But all the other parts are ok (will well worn but useable). If I fix the motor and something else goes out would not have the bucks to fix. If any one has any ideas or leads, please let me know. Brian 73 wag 78 Cherokee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:22:46 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: ideas for 360.. try these sites? Here is a few Motor sites , like City motors and Blue chip was cheaper. power pro was high , but swore the quality was much better. of course.. ask about the warranty, how long is it? what is covered? Does a mechanic have to put it in to be valid? what name brand parts are being used, what pistons? Lucky I i found a local here that was cheap ( General Machine Shop ) , about 999.00, they came and picked it up and dropped it back off, for me for free, and still gave me the warranty of 50,000 miles or 3 years.. for a little more I had them add the RV cam, but now I kind of wish I did not have them do it, because of the rougher idle.. But it is running really great! Even though me an a friend put in the long block.. Just shop a little in the local area too, and see what you get.... Here are some other links , I found while looking through bookmarks, in case people may want to add to their bookmarks.. R.J. Baynum 80 J-10 Honcho Huntsville AL http://www.powerpro2000.com http://www.engineexchange.com/lb_chrysler_amc_8cl.htm http://www.rebuiltengines.com/free.html http://www.bluechipmotor.com/index.html http://www.jwjeep.com/search.html http://www.actionsalvage.com/rebuiltmotors.asp parts.. http://www.amotion.com/amcat.html http://www.carparts.com/index.asp?reflink=0-0-0-0-0 Ever want to buy a grand wagoneer.. http://www.grandwagoneers.com/ Advance adapters , for adapting another engine, say a 350 chevy.. http://www.advanceadapters.com/ a cheaper place.. http://www.citymotorsupply.com/ Jeep master engine kits.. http://www.rpmrons.com/JeepKits.html Jeep trucks specializing , willys , 41 to 86... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1658/ Crown auto parts.. Jeep original parts.. http://www.crownautoparts.com/ Four wheel parts wholesalers.. http://www.4wheelparts.com/ http://www.4wd.com/4wd/default.asp http://www.specialtyparts.com/ rebuild kits starting at 499.00 http://www.greenbaypartsworld.com/a360a.htm Parts America.. http://www.partsamerica.com/ other FSJ sites , may have info in links part.. http://home.off-road.com/~jseries/ http://www.eskie.net/fsj.htm another place for FSM manuals... http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/manuals.html http://pacific.telebyte.com/allanw/fsjmanul.html http://www.raybuck.com/ Best Brush guards!. http://www.rosenvick.com/killer32/ http://www.collinsbrosjeep.com/ online gear/tire calculator... http://www.4lo.com/ http://www.wagoneer.net/ http://home.online.no/~falmaas/ FSJ tech dept. at Wagoneers.com..http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/ Olympic 4X4 in Seattle.. http://www.oly4x4.com/ Alternators.. http://www.mralternator.com/ All about the Qaudra trac.. you may not know.. http://www.3riversjunction.com/Auto/QT/quadratrac.htm For tires..http://www.tirerack.com/index.jsp Heavy duty drive train , transfer cases, tranny and parts.. http://www.jbconversions.com/ custom gear box. ..http://www.klunev.com/ conversions , tranny gears, http://www.novak-adapt.com/ A custom drive line, no matter what.., this guy will make it fit and figure it out for you,.. http://www.highangledriveline.com/ Custom Drive shaft's... http://www.4xshaft.com/ Super lift suspension.. http://www.superlift.com/ Great place for matching your Paint, and body work for the FSJ.. among other things, get free catalog.. http://www.eastwoodcompany.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?HTNAME=default2.htm Lift for the shop?.. http://www.autolifters.com/ Innovative fab.. for FSJ's http://www.justwebit.com/members/37274/index.shtml Jeep parts index.. http://www.cbel.com/Jeep_Parts/ Jeep resource..http://jjournal.net/ Todd's Jeep links.. http://members.aol.com/tlylejeep/jeeplinkslf.htm Well ,the the blue chip and city were the cheapest price in the long block 360.. check those out first.. Keep the rest of the links for what ever, you never know.. R.J. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:15:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 11/13/01; extensive revisions to 1.j, 1.k -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. 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