From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed May 15 22:36:10 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, May 14 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1642 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Need a Winch fsj: RE: Need a Winch fsj: Re: Auto Trans! fsj: Bypassing ammeter fsj: Re: Re: Auto Trans! Re: fsj: Re: Re: Auto Trans! fsj: part needed FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:43:44 -0600 From: "Daniel Beiers" Subject: fsj: Need a Winch guys, buddy of mine is looking for a winch for his newly aquired 68 bronco. any leads on a good used winch, preferably in the denver area. thanks! dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 13:31:28 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: Need a Winch Post your request to the CFSJA list at yahoogroups. I think James Junkin has a used Ramsey he trying to sell. JC Jones http://www.jtruck.net http://www.wagoneer.net 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" * * * * * =================== "They that can give up * * * * =================== essential liberty to * * * * * =================== obtain a little ============================= temporary safety ============================= deserve neither ============================= liberty nor safety." ============================= -Benjamin Franklin - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of Daniel Beiers - -> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 12:44 PM - -> To: fsj-at-digest.net; jeep-l-at-mailinglists.org; - -> jeeptech-at-moab.off-road.com - -> Subject: fsj: Need a Winch - -> - -> - -> guys, - -> buddy of mine is looking for a winch for his newly aquired - -> 68 bronco. any - -> leads on a good used winch, preferably in the denver area. - -> - -> thanks! - -> - -> dan - -> - -> _________________________________________________________________ - -> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at - -> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - -> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 14:22:01 -0700 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: Auto Trans! It's a 727. One thing I learned is they do not pass the tranny fluid to the cooler when in park, and the o-rings by the dipstick will leak... (that's two things... ;) I'm pretty sure they continued to use the same tranny from '81 and up... one of the guys on the fsj list used to work on these things, you'll probably hear from him within a day of this post to the fsj list, his name is jim, he's down in seattle. He comes from canada and likes to talk about dodge... ;) So if he mentions anything dodge, just filter it out and he'll give you some helpful ideas. He's got one idea that I haven't had time to test or study, and that's using stp in an AT. might work, hard to say... I'll let him, and anyone else explain. to get on the fsj list you need to email majordomo-at-digest.net and in an email type the word "s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e fsj" and then add a line with end. (If I mail this with the word spelled out the list server likes to take a chunk out of my leg... :) don't want to confuse it too much. As far as swapping in another tranny... well, you'd have to find something that will mate up to the AMC engine and not require a computer... I'm swapping out my AMC 258/T-5 for a 4.0L/Aisin Warner 4 speed automatic, but changing all the wiring too. ttyl john On 5/13/02 10:52 AM, "Ggifford2002-at-aol.com" wrote: > John, found your site- really well done. I am looking for places I can get > some advice regarding my auto. transmission on my 1990 Grandwagoneer (had a > 76 before and wanted more of a good thing). It's a Torqueflite 777 or 727 > (can't remember the exact numbers) Anyhow, what it does is this: Only from > a dead stop, when I floor it (although it's starting to happen easier and > easier) the trans. goes bump, bump, bump, bump and then seem to engage and > then everything is fine (no slipping in the traditional sense of high rpms > and no go). I've had a few tranny shops look at it and they can't figure it > out and simply say- rebuild- and quote an outrageous price. > Also, if it comes to a rebuild, I am considering putting a different unit in > all together. I do a lot of highway driving and as you know, the Torqueflite > is geared pretty low and the engines working pretty hard at higher speeds > (and guzzling the gas). Are there other suitable trannies for the Wagoneer > that are geared a little higher? > I really appreciate any advice you have or other sites/places where I can get > further advice. > Cheers, > Grant > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** (prefer plain text emails please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexander Wall Subject: fsj: Bypassing ammeter Hi all, I finally took the instrument cluster out of Lucky! Lo and behold, there was the short, between the yellow lead to the ammeter, and one of those copper circuits laid on the back of the instruments. Now - can I simply butt-splice those two fat (red and yellow) wires the were attached to the posts of the ammeter? I don't want to burn any thing else up! I want to completely eliminate the ammeter from the system. I'm going to try to remove it from the cluster, too, but that might not work. Thanks in advance Alex Spokane, WA '84 Wagoneer "Lucky" ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Where there's a will, there's a way." - Eliza Cook "Where there's a way, there's a construction crew disrupting traffic!" - Alex Wall ================================================================================= LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 04:13:33 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Auto Trans! Your description of the bump, bump, bump has me wondering if you have a front band that is spinning. If it is, that might cause a bumping noise. Again, Jim might be able to diagnose this better than I. I had a 727 in my Wagoneer where the previous owner either did not adjust the front band or adjusted it wrong and it fell apart inside. This caused the band to spin around the clutch drum and beat the heck out of the high pressure line on top of the valve body creating a hole, loss of lockup module pressure and lots of metal shavings in the fluid. I'd also suggest you check your fluid for metal. Did the tranny shops drain the fluid/remove the pan? If the band tension assembly fell apart, there should (or will soon) be a flat piece of metal in the bottom of the pan (part of the assembly). If not too much damage is done, you may be able to save the tranny if this is the problem. However, driving will most likely worsen the situation and eventually cause total failure as the loss of pressure won't let the tranny go into gear. Mine was too far gone to save and even though I fixed the tube and cleaned the tranny as best as I could, it only ran another 6 months. PS: I ended up with a rebuilt tranny I found in a junkyard, although I do not recommend junkyard trannys. It was a special find, with lots of new paint, and I was lucky. - --Vince '81 Wagoneer '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john meister" To: ; "FSJ" Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: fsj: Re: Auto Trans! > It's a 727. One thing I learned is they do not pass the tranny fluid to the > cooler when in park, and the o-rings by the dipstick will leak... (that's > two things... ;) I'm pretty sure they continued to use the same tranny from > '81 and up... > > one of the guys on the fsj list used to work on these things, you'll > probably hear from him within a day of this post to the fsj list, his name > is jim, he's down in seattle. He comes from canada and likes to talk about > dodge... ;) So if he mentions anything dodge, just filter it out and he'll > give you some helpful ideas. He's got one idea that I haven't had time to > test or study, and that's using stp in an AT. might work, hard to say... > I'll let him, and anyone else explain. > > to get on the fsj list you need to email majordomo-at-digest.net and in > an email type the word "s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e fsj" and then add a line with end. > (If I mail this with the word spelled out the list server likes to take a > chunk out of my leg... :) don't want to confuse it too much. > > As far as swapping in another tranny... well, you'd have to find something > that will mate up to the AMC engine and not require a computer... I'm > swapping out my AMC 258/T-5 for a 4.0L/Aisin Warner 4 speed automatic, but > changing all the wiring too. > > ttyl > john > > > On 5/13/02 10:52 AM, "Ggifford2002-at-aol.com" wrote: > > John, found your site- really well done. I am looking for places I can get > > some advice regarding my auto. transmission on my 1990 Grandwagoneer (had a > > 76 before and wanted more of a good thing). It's a Torqueflite 777 or 727 > > (can't remember the exact numbers) Anyhow, what it does is this: Only from > > a dead stop, when I floor it (although it's starting to happen easier and > > easier) the trans. goes bump, bump, bump, bump and then seem to engage and > > then everything is fine (no slipping in the traditional sense of high rpms > > and no go). I've had a few tranny shops look at it and they can't figure it > > out and simply say- rebuild- and quote an outrageous price. > > Also, if it comes to a rebuild, I am considering putting a different unit in > > all together. I do a lot of highway driving and as you know, the Torqueflite > > is geared pretty low and the engines working pretty hard at higher speeds > > (and guzzling the gas). Are there other suitable trannies for the Wagoneer > > that are geared a little higher? > > I really appreciate any advice you have or other sites/places where I can get > > further advice. > > Cheers, > > Grant > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - > ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** > (prefer plain text emails please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:53:11 GMT From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Re: Auto Trans! Jim is THE MAN when it comes to diagnosing transmissions. I put a TF727 in my AMC 360 powered CJ7...when it started doing some really strange stuff at highway speeds, he told me what the problem was almost immediately. I ended up rebuilding the transmission and it is working very well right now. I do believe there is a way to make the TF727 pass fluid to the cooler when in Park, but I don't know all the details. The TF727 will, contrary to popular belief) bolt DIRECTLY to a Dana 300 transfer case. One friend on another list let me in on a little secret or two about these transmissions. They were designed to live in the hellish environment behind a 426 Hemi and had different shift points than those in our trusty FSJ's have. If you want to quicken/stiffen up the 1-2 upshift, call the Mopar Performance dealership and ask for the front band lever for a 727 that was in a Hemi Cuda or the like. The ratio is considerably different (something like 5.2:1 vs our 4.1 ratio arm) and it will apparently quicken your shifts quite noticeably. I haven't been able to find that part number down here in South Texas yet, but I have feelers out for it. Another neat little tidbit about them is that there were actually 2 of these transmissions built for trucks (not just FSJs). There was the heavy duty model of the TF727 that had one more clutch disc than the one in our FSJ's has. When rebuilding mine, I found that I only had 7 clutch discs in my transmission while the kit included 8 discs. One more thing then I will quit. When I was installing the TF727 in my CJ, I discovered (unfortunately) that the stock kickdown linkage (from the FSJ) will not work if the tranny is installed in a CJ5/7/8 because it binds on the brake proportioning valve located on the driver's side frame rail. So, what does this mean to an FSJ owner? Well, there is a way to fix this and it works a LOT better than the stock kickdown linkage does. Lokar Performance produces a stainless-steel braided cable setup for the TF727 kickdown that fixes all the glitches in the OEM linkage. The instructions that come with the kit are really good and adjusting it is nothing. It takes about 20 minutes to accomplish this upgrade. It requires that you simply bolt one bracket to the accel cable support and one to the OEM t-case adapter. You also have to enlarge the hole that holds the OEM fastener to the carb throttle bellcrank. Once you have the cable installed and attached to the tranny lever, have a friend hold the cable such that the kickdown lever is fully open, open the throttle all the way, and crank down on the barrel nut that slides on the cable. The results are more than worth the effort. Have fun. I hope you get it working right soon. O)||||||(O Ken "Life is a journey that's measured not in miles or years, but in experiences" - -Jimmy Buffett "A Pirate Looks at Fifty" 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:55:36 EDT From: Moontanman-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: part needed Does anyone have an air pollution control pump that will fit a jeep 360 V8 1979? Moon ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1642 **************************