From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed May 15 22:36:34 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, May 15 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1643 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: 63 Willys Wag Progress - wheels & tires, braided brake lines Re: fsj: 63 Willys Wag Progress - wheels & tires, braided brake lines RE: fsj: 63 Willys Wag Progress - wheels & tires, braided brake l ines fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Re: fsj: Re: Auto Trans! fsj: J-Trucks, Tailgate on Ebay Re: fsj: Re: Auto Trans! fsj: Cherokee Chief conversion fsj: pix of my 63 project Re: [fsj: Re: Auto Trans!] FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:50:57 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: 63 Willys Wag Progress - wheels & tires, braided brake lines Hi all, I got wheels and tires the other day for the wagoneer. 35x12.50s on 16x10 black painted steel rims. (by the way i got 3" body lift and 8" spring lift.) the clearance is good, but i will need to trim some fender metal for when i get serious articulation going on. also need to get flares for the legal look. put my original steering wheel and column (non-tilt) back in the other day too. i just picked up my braided stainless brake lines on my lunch break...custom job from a local racing outfit...about 80 bucks for all three...at the chance of jinx-ing myself, i might have working brakes by the end of the weekend. later, jeff > This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:51:33 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: 63 Willys Wag Progress - wheels & tires, braided brake lines "Faith Jeff" said: {- I got wheels and tires the other day for the wagoneer. {- 35x12.50s on 16x10 black painted steel rims. {- (by the way i got 3" body lift and 8" spring lift.) Cool... Where are the pics?!? ;) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are sure you understand everything that is going on, you are hopelessly confused. -- Walter Mondale - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:05:01 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: RE: fsj: 63 Willys Wag Progress - wheels & tires, braided brake l ines heres a couple pix...hopefully they attach. later, jeff <> <> This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 01:18:42 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Auto Trans! A: I'll try to answer this, but I'm a bit sleepy (going to the 4AM Sneak preview my wife got tickets for) The tranny IS a Dodge transmission, built by Dodge, but with an AMC bolt pattern. The internals all swap. (I think Vince mentioned the D300 being a bolt up. This is true, but ONLY for the 4x4 version! ) I had a 727 in my Dodge 5 ton that had a 361 (same block as the car 383) and also had a second range built in (I swapped all the goodies into a slant 6 tranny, and it was a pain and cost a couple hundred in machining costs back 15 years ago!) The thumping noise may be the rear band not locking totally, or the rear sprag spinning (is it weak in reverse? That would mean clutches too) If you're lucky, it's not the case cracked (I did that to a couple 727s and a 998) The trans is at 1:1 ratio in drive, so unless you put in a overdrive, just swapping to a lockup 727 or 999 AMC pattern tranny may be the answer. 2WD needs the output shaft swapped and it doesn't interchange between 999 and 727. I'm doing an AW4 tranny as well, but my motor is a little higher output than John's (it's a 4.6L stroker) and the whole wiring harness is going in as well. You can add a couple sensors to your carb that will run the AW4 properly, but only 1 guy has done it yet, but only in a 2WD car. From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: Auto Trans! It's a 727. One thing I learned is they do not pass the tranny fluid to the cooler when in park, and the o-rings by the dipstick will leak... (that's two things... ;) I'm pretty sure they continued to use the same tranny from '81 and up... one of the guys on the fsj list used to work on these things, you'll probably hear from him within a day of this post to the fsj list, his name is jim, he's down in seattle. He comes from canada and likes to talk about dodge... ;) So if he mentions anything dodge, just filter it out and he'll give you some helpful ideas. He's got one idea that I haven't had time to test or study, and that's using stp in an AT. might work, hard to say... I'll let him, and anyone else explain. to get on the fsj list you need to email majordomo-at-digest.net and in an email type the word "s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e fsj" and then add a line with end. (If I mail this with the word spelled out the list server likes to take a chunk out of my leg... :) don't want to confuse it too much. As far as swapping in another tranny... well, you'd have to find something that will mate up to the AMC engine and not require a computer... I'm swapping out my AMC 258/T-5 for a 4.0L/Aisin Warner 4 speed automatic, but changing all the wiring too. ttyl john On 5/13/02 10:52 AM, "Ggifford2002-at-aol.com" wrote: > John, found your site- really well done. I am looking for places I can get > some advice regarding my auto. transmission on my 1990 Grandwagoneer (had a > 76 before and wanted more of a good thing). It's a Torqueflite 777 or 727 > (can't remember the exact numbers) Anyhow, what it does is this: Only from > a dead stop, when I floor it (although it's starting to happen easier and > easier) the trans. goes bump, bump, bump, bump and then seem to engage and > then everything is fine (no slipping in the traditional sense of high rpms > and no go). I've had a few tranny shops look at it and they can't figure it > out and simply say- rebuild- and quote an outrageous price. > Also, if it comes to a rebuild, I am considering putting a different unit in > all together. I do a lot of highway driving and as you know, the Torqueflite > is geared pretty low and the engines working pretty hard at higher speeds > (and guzzling the gas). Are there other suitable trannies for the Wagoneer > that are geared a little higher? > I really appreciate any advice you have or other sites/places where I can get > further advice. > Cheers, > Grant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:51:22 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: J-Trucks, Tailgate on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1829179611&r=0&t=0 Seems these are hard to find, so I will post to the list. It's in Louisville, KY. Also, one guy in PA is selling two flatbed J-Trucks, a '74 J20 4spd 360, and a '72 J2000 Auto 360. $100 ea current bid. Can't tell the rust situation, but sure would be fun.... - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:12:58 GMT From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Auto Trans! I forgot to mention that the D300 needed the 4x4 TF727 output adapter for it to bolt up. Sorry. The transmission I used for my TF727 swap came from a 1986 GW that is still in my friend's junkyard. The truck itself is in GREAT shape...I may be looking into buying it as a new project vehicle as soon as the Cherokee Chief we are working on is finished. > A: I'll try to answer this, but I'm a bit sleepy (going to the 4AM Sneak > preview my wife got tickets for) The tranny IS a Dodge transmission, built by > Dodge, but with an AMC bolt pattern. The internals all swap. (I think Vince > mentioned the D300 being a bolt up. This is true, but ONLY for the 4x4 > version! <G>) I had a 727 in my Dodge 5 ton that had a 361 (same block as the > car 383) and also had a second range built in (I swapped all the goodies into > a slant 6 tranny, and it was a pain and cost a couple hundred in machining > costs back 15 years ago!) > The thumping noise may be the rear band not locking totally, or the rear > sprag spinning (is it weak in reverse? That would mean clutches too) If you're > lucky, it's not the case cracked (I did that to a couple 727s and a 998) The > trans is at 1:1 ratio in drive, so unless you put in a overdrive, just > swapping to a lockup 727 or 999 AMC pattern tranny may be the answer. 2WD > needs the output shaft swapped and it doesn't interchange between 999 and > 727. > I'm doing an AW4 tranny as well, but my motor is a little higher output > than John's (it's a 4.6L stroker) and the whole wiring harness is going in as > well. You can add a couple sensors to your carb that will run the AW4 > properly, but only 1 guy has done it yet, but only in a 2WD car. > From: john meister <john-at-wagoneers.com> > Subject: fsj: Re: Auto Trans! > > It's a 727. One thing I learned is they do not pass the tranny fluid to the > cooler when in park, and the o-rings by the dipstick will leak... (that's > two things... ;) I'm pretty sure they continued to use the same tranny from > '81 and up... > > one of the guys on the fsj list used to work on these things, you'll > probably hear from him within a day of this post to the fsj list, his name > is jim, he's down in seattle. He comes from canada and likes to talk about > dodge... ;) So if he mentions anything dodge, just filter it out and he'll > give you some helpful ideas. He's got one idea that I haven't had time to > test or study, and that's using stp in an AT. might work, hard to say... > I'll let him, and anyone else explain. > > to get on the fsj list you need to email majordomo-at-digest.net and in > an email type the word "s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e fsj" and then add a line with end. > (If I mail this with the word spelled out the list server likes to take a > chunk out of my leg... :) don't want to confuse it too much. > > As far as swapping in another tranny... well, you'd have to find something > that will mate up to the AMC engine and not require a computer... I'm > swapping out my AMC 258/T-5 for a 4.0L/Aisin Warner 4 speed automatic, but > changing all the wiring too. > > ttyl > john > > > On 5/13/02 10:52 AM, "Ggifford2002-at-aol.com" <Ggifford2002-at-aol.com> wrote: > > John, found your site- really well done. I am looking for places I can get > > some advice regarding my auto. transmission on my 1990 Grandwagoneer (had a > > 76 before and wanted more of a good thing). It's a Torqueflite 777 or 727 > > (can't remember the exact numbers) Anyhow, what it does is this: Only > from > > a dead stop, when I floor it (although it's starting to happen easier and > > easier) the trans. goes bump, bump, bump, bump and then seem to engage > and > > then everything is fine (no slipping in the traditional sense of high rpms > > and no go). I've had a few tranny shops look at it and they can't figure > it > > out and simply say- rebuild- and quote an outrageous price. > > Also, if it comes to a rebuild, I am considering putting a different unit > in > > all together. I do a lot of highway driving and as you know, the > Torqueflite > > is geared pretty low and the engines working pretty hard at higher speeds > > (and guzzling the gas). Are there other suitable trannies for the Wagoneer > > that are geared a little higher? > > I really appreciate any advice you have or other sites/places where I can > get > > further advice. > > Cheers, > > Grant "Life is a journey that's measured not in miles or years, but in experiences" - -Jimmy Buffett "A Pirate Looks at Fifty" 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:18:35 GMT From: Ken Gaines Subject: fsj: Cherokee Chief conversion Well, I have yet another FSJ project going now. It is a 1978 (I think) Cherokee Chief...AMC 360, TH400, Dana 20 (I think) t/c...Dana 44 axles. The rear driveshaft was definitely at a compound angle before I removed it for my CJ7. Now that it is pretty much dismantled, I need a little advice on how to do the swap we have envisioned... My father-in-law has this old Bronco frame that we are cannibalizing for parts. It has a great running 351M, C6 trans, NP208 t/c, Dana 44F, Ford 9" rear (I wanted the Ford 9" for my CJ, but the father-in-law wouldn't allow it). We want to put this driveline into the Cherokee Chief along with the front coil spring suspension and Ford steering components. Has anyone else ever attempted this sort of swap? If so, let me in on any lessons learned. This is shaping up to be a LOT of work and even more improvisation. Thanks in advance guys... Ken "Life is a journey that's measured not in miles or years, but in experiences" - -Jimmy Buffett "A Pirate Looks at Fifty" 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:28:54 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: pix of my 63 project Thanks to Dan Black I got some pix out on the Internet for ya'll to look at if you want a look-see. This is my 63 willys wagoneer project. GM-350/TH-350/NP203 D44 front with disks GM12-bolt rear with drums 8" spring lift 3" body lift 35x12.50x16 tires & wheels (still got no brakes, no steering, and no driveshafts) http://129.186.79.84/jf63/ later, jeff This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:32:23 -0600 From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Re: Auto Trans!] You might check your tranny linkage to be sure it is adjusted, assembled, and operating correctly. By 'geared low' what are you referring to? It is your differential gearing that ultimately determines your hwy rpms unless you have an overdrive transmission. The 700R4 transmission is truly 'geared lower' in first gear compared to the TF727 but is geared just the same in 3rd (1:1). It's overdrive gear drops hwy rpms of course. So it sounds like you'd be happy with an overdrive transmission of some type. Be prepared to either be very creative or spend a lot of money on adapters to install an OD transmission. In the interim you might think about running 30" tires to increase your effective gearing. You can probably get away with this without tire damage or sheet metal adjustments. Depends on how much your springs sag. Even 31" tires might fit but more than likely will require some adjustments to the forward lip of the rear fender. Hope this helps somewhat. Michael john meister wrote: > It's a 727. One thing I learned is they do not pass the tranny fluid to the > cooler when in park, and the o-rings by the dipstick will leak... (that's > two things... ;) I'm pretty sure they continued to use the same tranny from > '81 and up... > > one of the guys on the fsj list used to work on these things, you'll > probably hear from him within a day of this post to the fsj list, his name > is jim, he's down in seattle. He comes from canada and likes to talk about > dodge... ;) So if he mentions anything dodge, just filter it out and he'll > give you some helpful ideas. He's got one idea that I haven't had time to > test or study, and that's using stp in an AT. might work, hard to say... > I'll let him, and anyone else explain. > > to get on the fsj list you need to email majordomo-at-digest.net and in > an email type the word "s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e fsj" and then add a line with end. > (If I mail this with the word spelled out the list server likes to take a > chunk out of my leg... :) don't want to confuse it too much. > > As far as swapping in another tranny... well, you'd have to find something > that will mate up to the AMC engine and not require a computer... I'm > swapping out my AMC 258/T-5 for a 4.0L/Aisin Warner 4 speed automatic, but > changing all the wiring too. > > ttyl > john > > > On 5/13/02 10:52 AM, "Ggifford2002-at-aol.com" wrote: > > John, found your site- really well done. I am looking for places I can get > > some advice regarding my auto. transmission on my 1990 Grandwagoneer (had a > > 76 before and wanted more of a good thing). It's a Torqueflite 777 or 727 > > (can't remember the exact numbers) Anyhow, what it does is this: Only from > > a dead stop, when I floor it (although it's starting to happen easier and > > easier) the trans. goes bump, bump, bump, bump and then seem to engage and > > then everything is fine (no slipping in the traditional sense of high rpms > > and no go). I've had a few tranny shops look at it and they can't figure it > > out and simply say- rebuild- and quote an outrageous price. > > Also, if it comes to a rebuild, I am considering putting a different unit in > > all together. I do a lot of highway driving and as you know, the Torqueflite > > is geared pretty low and the engines working pretty hard at higher speeds > > (and guzzling the gas). Are there other suitable trannies for the Wagoneer > > that are geared a little higher? > > I really appreciate any advice you have or other sites/places where I can get > > further advice. > > Cheers, > > Grant > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com often via PINE on Linux ** > (prefer plain text emails please!) > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1643 **************************