From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jul 21 15:31:15 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, July 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1697 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: 401 flywheel wanted Re: fsj: 401 flywheel wanted fsj: Re: [FSJparts] 401 flywheel fsj: accident near the house last night Re: fsj: accident near the house last night Re: [Re: fsj: accident near the house last night] fsj: how do the front axles come out? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:17:35 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: 401 flywheel wanted A: Check your local machine shop and see what they charge to machine the 360 flywheel to mate up with a 401's balance (I was just about to post the 360 flywheel and clutch from the '75 J10 with T18A on Ebay. AMC-list guys figure it'll get -at-$200) No FSJ and very few AMC cars had a 401 with std trans stock. Watch out for the year as well, because '70/'71 are different flange and balance than later model 401s. It would be best to take the present flexplate to have it as a template for the 360 flywheel to be match balanced with. From: "Phillips, Scott" Subject: fsj: 401 flywheel wanted I need a flywheel (not a flexplate) for a 401. It's going to be in front of a T-18 and I was wondering if you had some feedback on what clutch(s) I should look at getting. The 401 (only 84K miles) was salvaged from a totalled '78 Wag and will be getting a new lease on life in my CJ-7. Any tips or tricks would be appreciated. Scott Phillips '76 Wag 401/400/QT '84 CYJ-7 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:27:05 GMT From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: 401 flywheel wanted Scott, I have a few pointers for you on the V8 swap into the CJ7. I did the same swap (with new AMC 360) in my 1980 CJ7. First, if you don't already have a V8 in it, you will need, at the very least, the passenger side FRAME motor mount from a CJ5,6,7,8 that had an OEM V8. If that isn't an option, you could do what I did and cut an inch out of the middle of BOTH frame mounts, weld them back together, and then drop the engine. Make sure you get it situated in the frame so that there is an EVER SO SLIGHT offset (of engine block centerline) to the passenger side of the frame centerline. I think the measurement is about 1.5". If you don't get this part right, the transmission belly pan will not bolt up without a good bit of "mechanical agitation" with a LARGE tanker bar...some choice "verbal agitation" may be necessary as well. Doing this may decrease the lifespan of rubber parts like engine mounts and tranny mounts. Keep a good stock of your favorite adult beverages (beer) on hand...you will need it. Another point of interest is fuel lines. The CJ7 I6 configuration has the fuel lines running down the passenger side frame rail. The V8 needs this reversed. Do it while you have the engine out....it is a LOT easier. The V8 will need exhaust, obviously. Single exhaust is an option, but make sure you have the Y-pipe built such that you can get the transmission bellhousing out of it without having to pull the exhaust pipes from the manifolds. An FSJ Y- pipe will NOT work in a CJ because it has different angles to accommodate a wider vehicle. You will need two different manifolds to make this swap work right. The driver side needs a center dump manifold and the passenger side needs a rear dump manifold. You should be able to find these in just about any boneyard with a few FSJ's or even CJ's. My CJ uses dual pipes from OEM manifolds (without heat riser valve) and it runs great. I would shield the starter from the exhaust pipe...especially during the summer months. It will save you a lot of headaches. I melted (yes, you read right...MELTED) a battery cable one day last summer on a trip to Port Aransas, TX. I turned the Jeep off at the ferry dock, and when I tried to start it again, the positive cable vaporized at the connection to the solenoid. (More verbal agitation needed to fix this problem...) Next, get a 3-inch rear driveshaft for the CJ. The little OEM toothpick will not stand up to a V8 for very long. I just snapped mine and had to have one made to the tune of $280. It has a CV, though, so the vibes that the SOA lift produced should be gone once I get it rolling again. If you have an AMC 20 in the CJ, don't expect it to have a very long life expectancy either. That 401 will eventually eat it too. I am about to fix that problem with a Ford 9" rear end. I have a TEMPORARY AMC 20 rear end in it right now, but not for long. I bet I won't be destroying another rear driveline anytime soon. Ignition system...while you have then engine out, do the Team Rush Ford TFI upgrade. You will be glad you did on a hot summer day. Go ahead and change the Motorcrap DuraSplat module to an MSD 6-Offorad. It won't heat up and fail on you like the OEM module will. Radiator. The OEM 2-core radiator MIGHT be okay depending on where you live. I live in Corpus Christi, TX, so my little OEM 2-row radiator had to go. I installed an automatic transmission (TF727 from a 1989-ish Wag) and Dana 300, so the 2-row was effectively 50% smaller once I put the tranny cooler in front of it. Right now, I have a 3-row radiator in it and it runs at about 180*F when the outside temp is 90*F+. In the winter, I will have to go with a 190*F thermostat so that I can have a heater (for our two weeks of winter). You may be able to get away with less. I don't even run a thermostat during the summer months here. As for a flywheel, you will have to check the local boneyards where you live. I have looked in several places here and I only found ONE AMC 401 block. It was in pretty much terrible shape. There was no flywheel/flexplate with it...just block and heads with old pistons and rods. The guys on the FSJ Digest list may be able to help you find one. I think John M talks about a place called Olympic 4x4 a lot. Try looking there for your flywheel. I do know that you will have to get the flywheel for a 401 because the engines are balanced differently. A 360 flywheel will destroy the crank in a 401. I think I read a thread somewhere that said you can go UP one block size in flywheels, but not the other way. In other words, an AMC 390 flywheel would theoretically work on a 401 crank, but I wouldn't chance it without knowing ABSOLUTELY for sure that it would work. I have a friend here that put a 401/TH400/Dana 20 in his CJ7. I will ask him if he still has the original 401 flywheel. Another place to look is on the PartsMike.com posting board. I know that Parts Mike has them in stock. Summit has AMC flywheels for racing applications. They would probably work in a Jeep just fine, but they are expensive. Either way, if you buy a flywheel from an Internet merchant, it is going to be expensive. I had a T-18 in my old CJ5. I used the Ram clutch from Summit Racing. I had the flywheel resurfaced before I installed it. The whole clutch job cost me about $300. That Ram clutch disc was lined with Kevlar, so it REALLY grabbed and it didn't wear out. If you need anymore help with your retrofit, email me. I have done this swap at least a few times. This one has been running for over 2 years now and the only problems I have had were not engine related...I grenaded a T-4 transmission and destroyed an AMC 20 rear end. Good luck and Keep on Jeepin'!!! O)||||||(O Ken "Life is a journey that's measured not in miles or years, but in experiences" - -Jimmy Buffett "A Pirate Looks at Fifty" 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:43:19 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [FSJparts] 401 flywheel good info... sharing with the fsj digest john To: FSJparts-at-yahoogroups.com From: Peter Lechtanski Subject: Re: [FSJparts] Re: fsj: 401 flywheel wanted New 401 flywheels are available from : American Performance Products 675 South Industry Road Cocoa FL 32926 (321) 632 5119 www.oldcarparts.com From 72 and up, they show the same flywheel for all V8s, $278.00 (ouch!) Peter Lechtanski 86 J10 - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:30:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: accident near the house last night There was an accident up on the highway near my house last night... The pickup truck damage is mind boggling... speed limit was 55mph... the pickup ended up back from where he hit the Dump Truck... the forces were incredible... it sounded like dynamite going off in the woods north of the farm next door. The driver of the blue Southbound Chevy pickup crossed the center line and hit the northbound (downhill) Dump Truck/Trailer combo head on. The Chevy reportedly flipped up into the air striking the honda in the rear quarter and then was slammed by the white Ford. Note the toolbox NORTH of the previously SOUTHBOUND chevy. The dump truck driver had a cut on his hand, I think from trying to get the driver out of the Chevy. He was hauled off for shoulder pain later. The Chevy driver was airlifted, serious head injuries. He's in Harborview down in Seattle in Intensive Care. I just checked with the Snohomish Fire Dept. There aren't any gory shots... The Selected Photos directory has the downsized images. http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/ACCIDENT-SR9-July18-2002/ notice the timing chain and transfer case chains are both visible! The folks in that Honda are incredibly fortunate... had that truck, or tire, or whatever hit them had been just a few seconds earlier... john ============================================================= The just shall live by Faith... Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... Le Juste vivra par la foi... Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galations 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 ============================================================= Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 There is no other name... Acts 4:12 ============================================================= john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ http://www.freegift.net/ - can you pass this test? http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE what about Islam? see: http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=article&NewsId=111 ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:42:40 -0400 From: RFISCHEL-at-osc.state.ny.us Subject: Re: fsj: accident near the house last night Never ever go head-to-head with something that says Mack, freightliner, Peterbuilt or anything else for that matter that can or is hauling 20 yards of sand; you are going to lose... john cc: Sent by: Subject: fsj: accident near the house last night owner-fsj-at-digest .net 07/19/02 02:30 PM Please respond to john There was an accident up on the highway near my house last night... The pickup truck damage is mind boggling... speed limit was 55mph... the pickup ended up back from where he hit the Dump Truck... the forces were incredible... it sounded like dynamite going off in the woods north of the farm next door. The driver of the blue Southbound Chevy pickup crossed the center line and hit the northbound (downhill) Dump Truck/Trailer combo head on. The Chevy reportedly flipped up into the air striking the honda in the rear quarter and then was slammed by the white Ford. Note the toolbox NORTH of the previously SOUTHBOUND chevy. The dump truck driver had a cut on his hand, I think from trying to get the driver out of the Chevy. He was hauled off for shoulder pain later. The Chevy driver was airlifted, serious head injuries. He's in Harborview down in Seattle in Intensive Care. I just checked with the Snohomish Fire Dept. There aren't any gory shots... The Selected Photos directory has the downsized images. http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/ACCIDENT-SR9-July18-2002/ notice the timing chain and transfer case chains are both visible! The folks in that Honda are incredibly fortunate... had that truck, or tire, or whatever hit them had been just a few seconds earlier... john ============================================================= The just shall live by Faith... Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... Le Juste vivra par la foi... Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galations 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 ============================================================= Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 There is no other name... Acts 4:12 ============================================================= john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ http://www.freegift.net/ - can you pass this test? http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE what about Islam? see: http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=article&NewsId=111 ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:23:09 -0600 From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [Re: fsj: accident near the house last night] Wonder why he crossed the line? Trying to drive too many hours in one day? I tend to get sleepy behind the wheel if I haven't gotten a good night's sleep prior to the drive and if I'm driving more than about 5-6 hours... it's scary. Anymore I just try to find a rest stop and zonk for a half hour or more. So what if I get there late, at least I get there alive. Same goes for you folks going to Ouray. Be careful and don't hesistate to find a rest stop when you need it. If you're late a day, who cares. Don't make us dedicate the event to your memory. I want everyone to arrive and return nice and safely, please. :) Michael RFISCHEL-at-osc.state.ny.us wrote: > Never ever go head-to-head with something that says Mack, freightliner, > Peterbuilt or anything else for that matter that can or is hauling 20 yards > of sand; you are going to lose... > > > > john > com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: fsj: accident near the house last night > owner-fsj-at-digest > .net > > > 07/19/02 02:30 > PM > Please respond > to john > > > > > > > There was an accident up on the highway near my house last night... > > The pickup truck damage is mind boggling... speed limit was 55mph... > the pickup ended up back from where he hit the Dump Truck... > the forces were incredible... it sounded like dynamite going off in > the woods north of the farm next door. > > The driver of the blue Southbound Chevy pickup crossed the center line and > hit the northbound (downhill) Dump Truck/Trailer combo head on. > The Chevy reportedly flipped up into the air striking the honda > in the rear quarter and then was slammed by the white Ford. > Note the toolbox NORTH of the previously SOUTHBOUND chevy. > > The dump truck driver had a cut on his hand, I think from trying > to get the driver out of the Chevy. He was hauled off for shoulder > pain later. The Chevy driver was airlifted, serious head injuries. > He's in Harborview down in Seattle in Intensive Care. > I just checked with the Snohomish Fire Dept. > > There aren't any gory shots... > The Selected Photos directory has the downsized images. > http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/ACCIDENT-SR9-July18-2002/ > > notice the timing chain and transfer case chains are both visible! > The folks in that Honda are incredibly fortunate... had that truck, > or tire, or whatever hit them had been just a few seconds earlier... > > john > > ============================================================= > The just shall live by Faith... > Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... > Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... > Le Juste vivra par la foi... > > Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galations 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 > > ============================================================= > > Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, > the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 > > There is no other name... Acts 4:12 > > ============================================================= > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ > http://www.freegift.net/ - can you pass this test? > http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE > what about Islam? see: > http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=article&NewsId=111 > ============================================================= - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:28:30 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: how do the front axles come out? my son has a lunchbox locker and we're trying to figure out how to get the axle shafts out. we did the rear axle a few weeks ago. So, do, as best we can figure we do the following: 1) pull the hubs off 2) not sure how to get the guts out, snap ring? 3) then slide the rotor/bearings off the end of the axle? 4) then remove the bolts on the housing? 5) then attach chain to back of wife's Jeep and pull axle shaft??? ;) help. going to sleep... son will get up around noon and we'll decide if we're going to try it... or just take it to olympic or randy's... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1697 **************************