From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 22 09:43:27 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, July 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1699 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: WARNING! EBAY FRAUD in AZ! fsj: short list (big one is coming!) fsj: psuedo-FSJs fsj: Re: Dana 20 twin stick $100 fsj: Re: 4.7 liter Jeep six fsj: NOS? fsj: RE: psuedo-FSJs fsj: RE: RE: psuedo-FSJs Re: [fsj: RE: psuedo-FSJs] FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:26:15 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: WARNING! EBAY FRAUD in AZ! Anybody out that way want to pay him a little visit? "Subject: 1969 Ebay Javelin Mystery Does anyone know anything about this car? I found one sentence rather odd, "this car was on ebay before and i wasnt really looking to sell it but it reached $8,500.00 my reserve is extremely low shipping will run around $650.00 email for exact pricing thanks alot." It reached $8,500.00 last time but sold for $4,050.00,this time?" Hi my name is 'Ron Desrosiers and i bought this car. It is a total junk. The car he shipped does not look like the one on the add. I am in the process of filling for fraud. I will send you and anyone else who would like to see them copies. If anyone now goes and looks up that ebay add and looks for the person who sold it Gary Vaughn zero_ice_22-at-yahoo.com this person is no longer an ebay member. Please spread the word not to buy anything from this guy in 2664(5) or S 193rd Place Queen Creek Arizona. Gary Vaughn sells lots of cars from this area. He tried to sell me a 68 camaro, Nova ss and others. He claims he sells lot of cars. Don't buy from him, but to listen to him in action here is his number 480-888-8632 I recieved the car and had to pay an additional 250 dollars because Mr. Vaughn did not pay his part of the shipping when the car left his house. The car has 4 junk spare tires,one of which is extremely narrow, not the nice rims and wide tires in the add. The interior is trashed. The drivers seat is missing and the back seats are up side down in the rear of the car. Don't dare reach inside to flip them over. It is really disgusting inside. I have pic's and will be happy to send. I just was afraid if i sent pic's now you would not open the email. Both rear quarters have rot holes at the bottom. The fenders have lots of dents and the inside lip has been cut off both of them. Probably was used for racing to accomodate wide tires, but Mr. Vaughn did not state this in the ebay add to be in this condition. This car may very well be a test car. There is a lot of wiring under the hood and a panel on top of the radiator support area which is set up to run the car from there i believe. The car was stated as having ac. Nothing under the hood reflects the car ever had it. The engine, which he was suppose to install was literally just dropped in and not bolted to transmission or mounts. Radiator support damaged either in droping or delivery due to engine moving freely inside engine compartment. Engine was to be complete. It is not. Before i bid on this Mr. Vaughn sent me in writing that the car was rust free and everything worked. This is my golden nugget to get my money back. Nothing on the car works from the brakes to the windows. When i finally got the hood to open the grille fell out onto the ground. You had to see it. My wife and 10 year old son outside watching me look at this car. They both know the car is junk but i am still trying to find something to convince them and myself it is not. Picture a grown man nearly in tears trying to find something good out of this whole horrific experience. The hood would not open. I had to push down hard on the hood and then i felt it pop. Bang now i open the hood and plop goes the grille to the ground. I literally just stood almost looking at myself from outside my body and just started to laugh. Boy did i get the poker all the way up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Vaughn will not answer my phone calls or respond to my emails since July 11th. I received this on July 15th. To this day i still do not have the notarized bill of sale he promised in his ebay add. This was never supposed to be registered, but is sitting in my driveway with a Arizona plate DN-0430. I have not had any luck researching the plate to see if belongs on this car. Maybe there is someone in this club who lives in Arizona who check on this for me. I have learned a very costly lessen and i just want to stop this from happening to anyone else. This is my first ever purchase from ebay and probably my last. I will be happy to share this story with anyone who wants to hear it. There was a fellow from Californa who wanted to write a story on this car. He responded to me from this AMX files club along with lots of others. Please if you could put this on the AMX files so this person can reply back to me. I have a story for him!!!!! If there is anyone in this club who could provide some assistance i would truly be grateful. I do own another Javelin a 68 sst that i am in the process of restoring and do love these cars. It may appear the only good thing from this is finding out about this club. I am in the process of joining and think that this club has a lot of nice people in it. I had a person call me who lives in MA who has a 74 javelin sst and we spent some time talking on the phone who is a member of this club. Ksiroonian-at-aol.com you are a cool guy. Best of luck to you at Kenosha. Cordially, Ron Desrosiers Auburn, NH 03032 603-483-0462 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:40:11 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: short list (big one is coming!) A: These are all in Seattle, but if prepaid I can bring them along to Ouray next month. '87 Comanche/Cherokee parts: NP207 transfer case $200.00, front wiper motor $10, AC compressors $10, full gauge Cluster- $30.00, rear Bumper- $20.00 (1 of each), '90 Cherokee hatch with defog, wiper and no cracks $100, Cherokee Left and Right Tail lights- $20.00 each, 2wd front axle $50 with brakes (good for trailer), XJ D35 3.08 rear end (non-c clip) $100 or part trade for your old non-c clip axles with stripped splines (for my trailer) '76 Jeep J10 parts: Metal Fuel Tank- $20.00, HD rear Bumper- $30.00, 4 Matching 15" slotted aluminum rims, 6 lug bolt pattern with caps- $150.00 set, left Front fender- $15.00 (rough but usable), Also may be other parts not listed here. All prices are as listed or best offer. Dana 44 front diff (some kind of posi with 4.10 ratio) $200 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:09:55 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: psuedo-FSJs I plan to duct tape a grille from an '81 Cherokee to the front of the 99 WJ... think anyone will notice the difference??? ;) Driving a WJ is one thing, but bringing a bobtail to an event like this... I don't know... you sure you want to do that? ;) You might want to get REALLY big pictures of your FSJ to HIDE the bobtail... ;) john At 06:57 PM 7/19/2002 +0000, 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com wrote: > > I had planned on driving SuperDawg to Ouray ... > > > > instead, circumstances beyond reality and mr. murphy have conspired > > to force me to appear in my wife's jeep, aka, the WJ. ;) > >Hey, how come John gets to drive a WJ? So what's the policy on >bringing non-FSJ's to Ouray, assuming we do actually own an FSJ? >I ask just in case I don't get the 401 into my '77 Wag in time. >(Got the pistons installed last night.) Will I be tarred & >feathered if I show up in my '95 YJ with an 8x10 photo of my Wag >taped to each window? > > -- Obi-Wan > '95.5 YJ, '77 Wag - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:42:51 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Dana 20 twin stick $100 thanx Jim, mark and I ordered it Friday night... this should solve his problem. :) Will be very cool, he has the locker to install in his front axle... his cherokee looks great... dual locked, twin stick... plenty of lift... now he wants fuel injection... :) john At 02:16 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Jim B wrote: >A: They also have a 3.15:1 lo range kit for -at-$715 >http://www.4wheelerssupply.com/viewproduct.asp?p=83 > >http://www.virtualjeep.com/ Black Jack's before pic >http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/jim-b-J10.jpg - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:12:54 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 4.7 liter Jeep six At 08:02 PM 7/21/2002 -0700, Pat Hines wrote: >http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/stroker40/index.asp this has been around for a while. In fact, two of the guys on the XJ list who've done this have come by with the motors... :) Both also had troubles with the engines. Both appear happy with them though... My son was out wheeling this weekend with his '77 Cherokee and decided that he wants fuel injection now. It's funny how all the things he says he didn't want somehow become a good thing now... :) Oh well, I'm not going to rub it in... too hard... ;) One of the ideas was to rebuild the 258 out of SuperDawg and install it in his Cherokee, mated to the T-18 (which he loves because of the granny low). Another idea would be to try to mate a 4.0L to the T-18, is that possible? Anyway, if we go the 258 route then we'll look into the Howell TBI kit for it after it's rebuilt, or possibly the Weber carb, depending on budget constraints... Meanwhile, if SuperDawg's 4.0L doesn't provide enough motivation I'd probably go for the 4.7L V8 out of a WJ. But based on many experiences with the 4.0L I'm sure it'll propel the pup just nicely. :) john ============================================================= The just shall live by Faith... Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... Le Juste vivra par la foi... Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galations 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 ============================================================= Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 There is no other name... Acts 4:12 ============================================================= john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/ http://www.freegift.net/ - can you pass this test? http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE what about Islam? see: http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm?action=article&NewsId=111 ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:50:45 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: NOS? Just glancing at the Sept 2002 issue of Four Wheeler and couldn't help but notice the article on Nitrous Oxide. (p42) I'm just wondering if it's something that could be used occasionally on a stock 4.0L or 4.7L without damage. You know, when I feel the need for speed... :) Any thoughts? At around $600 it looks to be cheaper then building a stroker and probably more reliable over all... if it's not used too much... :) Might make up the difference between having a V8 in SuperDawg... I'm sure the driveline would handle it, especially if I didn't get too carried away with it... :) yeah, right... I wonder what it would do to the already snappy 4.7L V8... john ==================================================================== If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to assume that it is anything other than a duck. However, in this era of post-modern license with basic linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, intolerant bigot. So a duck is only a duck when you embrace his world view, otherwise, it's just a bunch of funny looking parts. john-at- http://wagoneers.com ''De Ominibus Dubitantum.'' Doubt everything. (except for one thing... ) ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:00:10 -0700 From: "Paul and Megan Kershner" Subject: fsj: RE: psuedo-FSJs Been planning on Driving the GW out, now the wife wants to know why we can't take her confortable Volvo V70 XC AWD... Do you think anyone would notice? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 4:10 PM To: 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net; kenns9-at-earthlink.net Subject: fsj: psuedo-FSJs I plan to duct tape a grille from an '81 Cherokee to the front of the 99 WJ... think anyone will notice the difference??? ;) Driving a WJ is one thing, but bringing a bobtail to an event like this... I don't know... you sure you want to do that? ;) You might want to get REALLY big pictures of your FSJ to HIDE the bobtail... ;) john At 06:57 PM 7/19/2002 +0000, 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com wrote: > > I had planned on driving SuperDawg to Ouray ... > > > > instead, circumstances beyond reality and mr. murphy have conspired > > to force me to appear in my wife's jeep, aka, the WJ. ;) > >Hey, how come John gets to drive a WJ? So what's the policy on >bringing non-FSJ's to Ouray, assuming we do actually own an FSJ? >I ask just in case I don't get the 401 into my '77 Wag in time. >(Got the pistons installed last night.) Will I be tarred & >feathered if I show up in my '95 YJ with an 8x10 photo of my Wag >taped to each window? > > -- Obi-Wan > '95.5 YJ, '77 Wag - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:47:46 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: RE: psuedo-FSJs You'll have an awfully hard time explaining why your FSJ isn't there if it's not certifiably dead. ;) Photo's of it being mostly dis-assembled *might* be acceptable. ;) JC Jones http://www.jtruck.net http://www.wagoneer.net 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1987 Grand Wagoneer 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" * * * * * =================== "They that can give up * * * * =================== essential liberty to * * * * * =================== obtain a little ============================= temporary safety ============================= deserve neither ============================= liberty nor safety." ============================= -Benjamin Franklin - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of Paul and Megan Kershner - -> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:00 AM - -> To: 'john'; 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net; - -> kenns9-at-earthlink.net - -> Subject: fsj: RE: psuedo-FSJs - -> - -> - -> Been planning on Driving the GW out, now the wife wants to - -> know why we can't take her confortable Volvo V70 XC AWD... - -> Do you think anyone would notice? - -> - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of john - -> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 4:10 PM - -> To: 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net; kenns9-at-earthlink.net - -> Subject: fsj: psuedo-FSJs - -> - -> I plan to duct tape a grille from an '81 Cherokee to - -> the front of the 99 WJ... think anyone will notice the - -> difference??? ;) - -> - -> Driving a WJ is one thing, but bringing a bobtail to - -> an event like this... I don't know... you sure you - -> want to do that? ;) You might want to get REALLY big - -> pictures of your FSJ to HIDE the bobtail... ;) - -> - -> john - -> - -> At 06:57 PM 7/19/2002 +0000, 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com wrote: - -> > > I had planned on driving SuperDawg to Ouray ... - -> > > - -> > > instead, circumstances beyond reality and mr. murphy - -> have conspired - -> > > to force me to appear in my wife's jeep, aka, the WJ. ;) - -> > - -> >Hey, how come John gets to drive a WJ? So what's the policy on - -> >bringing non-FSJ's to Ouray, assuming we do actually own an - -> FSJ? I ask - -> >just in case I don't get the 401 into my '77 Wag in time. (Got the - -> >pistons installed last night.) Will I be tarred & - -> feathered if I show - -> >up in my '95 YJ with an 8x10 photo of my Wag taped to each window? - -> > - -> > -- Obi-Wan - -> > '95.5 YJ, '77 Wag - -> - -> ------------------------------------------------------------------ - -> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ - -> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - -> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -> ------------------------------------------------------------------- - -> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:49:50 -0600 From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: RE: psuedo-FSJs] Uh, maybe. :) I can just picture it now. We'll have 90-100 fsj'ers arriving in 80 regular passenger cars. I don't think the trail runs or the event will be the same with all the hondas, volvos, nissans, gms, etc on the trail y'know? Might be a little hard to win-- or enter-- an FSJ contest if you bring your pasenger vehicle... :) Also those who drove their FSJs cross country are encouraged to give a hard time to all those who didn't... for three days straight. :) Michael "Paul and Megan Kershner" wrote: > Been planning on Driving the GW out, now the wife wants to know why we > can't take her confortable Volvo V70 XC AWD... Do you think anyone > would notice? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > john > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 4:10 PM > To: 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net; kenns9-at-earthlink.net > Subject: fsj: psuedo-FSJs > > I plan to duct tape a grille from an '81 Cherokee to > the front of the 99 WJ... think anyone will notice the > difference??? ;) > > Driving a WJ is one thing, but bringing a bobtail to > an event like this... I don't know... you sure you > want to do that? ;) You might want to get REALLY big > pictures of your FSJ to HIDE the bobtail... ;) > > john > > At 06:57 PM 7/19/2002 +0000, 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > I had planned on driving SuperDawg to Ouray ... > > > > > > instead, circumstances beyond reality and mr. murphy have conspired > > > to force me to appear in my wife's jeep, aka, the WJ. ;) > > > >Hey, how come John gets to drive a WJ? So what's the policy on > >bringing non-FSJ's to Ouray, assuming we do actually own an FSJ? > >I ask just in case I don't get the 401 into my '77 Wag in time. > >(Got the pistons installed last night.) Will I be tarred & > >feathered if I show up in my '95 YJ with an 8x10 photo of my Wag > >taped to each window? > > > > -- Obi-Wan > > '95.5 YJ, '77 Wag > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1699 **************************