From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Aug 31 23:04:31 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, September 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1736 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: FSJ addictions... fsj: Re: AMC ProFlow Fuel Injection Kit being considered by Edlebrock fsj: new ..FSJ-Modified fsj: AMC 360 build fsj: Re: Re: gatherings east of here... Re: fsj: Re: AMC ProFlow Fuel Injection Kit being considered by Edlebrock fsj: Re: Re: gatherings east of here... fsj: the Awsom50 Merc from Cobra is on ebay... fsj: FSJ_Modified.. Sci FI or a new trend? fsj: heading to LA for HP World... Re: fsj: Re: AMC ProFlow Fuel Injection Kit being considered by Edlebrock Re: fsj: Re: Re: gatherings east of here... fsj: I might have this figured out fsj: Re: I might have this figured out fsj: bypassing alternator FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:29:46 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: FSJ addictions... At 04:27 PM 8/30/2002 -0700, Peter Matusov wrote: >>may be getting another FSJ... :) >that's a disease... so far incurable tell me about it... :) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html let's see... I've had 19 FSJ's so far... :) just waiting for SuperDawg to get done... Finally got the color figured out. :) Anyway, #20 might happen real soon... I've got an offer out on an '83 for $300 (bad trans) and plan on looking at the '79 that came up on the list earlier... waiting to see the pictures, may drive down to Seattle tomorrow to look... First need to get the 1950 Mercury from the Cobra movie on ebay for my friend: http://wagoneers.com/awsom50 john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:36:07 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: AMC ProFlow Fuel Injection Kit being considered by Edlebrock At 07:42 PM 8/30/2002 -0700, Wes Stepp wrote: >John, > Please post and forward this as you deem appropriate. >Wes will do... I love Edelbrock equipment... love the 1406 but would prefer fuel injection. One of the reasons I'm using a '96 XJ 4.0L engine in my '83 J10 is so I get multipoint fuel injection. :) If the multi-point is available for the AMC V-8's I'll definitely be rethinking future Full Size Jeep projects. :) Looking at either an '83 or a '79 project. My son wants fuel injection for his '77 Cherokee too... BTW, I'll be listing the 1950 Mercury from the Sylvester Stallone movie Cobra in the morning. Have a page all set up: http://wagoneers.com/awsom50 Waiting to hear what the owner wants to do on the reserve price... :) john meister snohomish, washington http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html To All the AMC and Jeep Enthusiasts: I spoke with Tony Zamisch of http://www.amx-perience.com today Friday 8/30/02 regarding the Ported Fuel Injection conversion of the AMC 401 engine in my 76 Cherokee. During that conversation he mentioned that Edelbrock is currently considering offering the AMC world a version of their Pro-Flow Multi-point Electronic Fuel Injection System. Whether or not this comes to pass could be directly affected by the interest shown in the AMC and Jeep community for such a product. They recently started marketing the new AMC version of the Air-Gap intake manifold so they are interested in the market potential for selling their products to the AMC and Jeep enthusiasts such as those of us in this forum. If we ever want to make this happen NOW IS THE TIME! Tony suggested we call, write and email Edelbrock requesting they make high performance fuel injection systems for our vehicles. This could possibly also include a stock replacement aluminum head similar to Indy's but that fit the stock intake configuration. They are watching what happens with the new line of AMC Indy heads and intakes and they worked with Indy in the development of the Indy head designs. Those are made for the racing community and what the rest of us could use is a direct replacement aluminum head that will fit stock intakes and a new Edelbrock AMC EFI Intake. Vic Edelbrock is the owner so I suggest you address your email messages and any letters to him. Edelbrock' website is: http://www.edelbrock.com/ Here is the email info from the Edelbrock website: Send all fuel-injection-related questions to efitech-at-edelbrock.com Tech questions, feedback and comments write to: edelbrock-at-edelbrock.com Sales Dept. write to: sales-at-edelbrock.com To Mail them send to: Edelbrock Corporation Headquarters 2700 California Street Torrance, CA 90503 And lastly here is their phone number: Phone: 310-781-2222 If the Jeep and AMC enthusiasts want affordable products we need to let the manufacturers know we are out there and ready to buy. Take a few minutes and write an email or a letter and make a call to tell them directly that you want them to provide these products and they will have a market for them. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:19:32 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: new ..FSJ-Modified I have noticed a new emerging trend. so to follow up on it and try to have it's own niche in the FSJ world, which it should in it's own right.. Esp since the people who make these Beast work so hard to come up with.. should have their own group.. It seems only fair.. don't you think? So here is it's debut! FSJ-Modified! For owners of Classic full Size Jeeps, that have Taken FSJ's and Cross them with other FSJ's and or modified them with other FSJ's, and or Hybrid form of a FSJ. discussing tips, Tech, exchange pics, advice on converting or changing A normal standard into a Hybrid Modified Beast of the trail! There are a few out there.. Let's hear about yours! Share your ideas, And come up with a Hybrid! Please join, if you have thought about it or are interested in hearing some interesting ideas, and How to's! Also, we will discuss, Modifying the inside of the FSJ and out side, to make it Trail ready, and or with all the cozy comforts you may want.. any thing that has to do with adding or Building, or converting on to the FSJ! please no spam or flame! Sister list to 1FSJ, and FSJ-List Camp-FSJ and FSJParts http://www.IFSJA.org and http://www.Wagoneers.com http://www.CFSJA.org , and our Mag, http://www.FSJMagazine.com click here.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FSJ_Modified/join Thanks! R.J.

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Looking for any and all info/tips on building AMC 360.  Am looking to build a 
high performance (not hot rod) that will hold up and be suitable for everyday 
driving.  What works and what doesn't?

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:59:13 -0500
From: "Vince Orr" 
Subject: fsj: Re: Re: gatherings east of here...

John and all:
You're right, unless you like mud, that's about the only wheeling in
Illinois.  Now, South Dakota, perhaps around the badlands somewhere, that
might be some good wheelin'.
- --Vince


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "john" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:20 PM
Subject: fsj: Re: gatherings east of here...


> Hey RJ and all...
>
> I may try to make it to the Chicago area (Crystal Lake) in
> 2004... let's see, that'll be the 30th High School reunion I
> think... :)  I think the last reunion was in June... If we
> can time it around the same time then I'd be able to make it...
> hopefully SuperDawg will be done by then... ;)  I think Curtis
> is holding SuperDawg so I can say I've actually kept an FSJ for
> more then a year... rofl...  Let's see, this Labor Day will be
> the first anniversary of when it was supposed to be done...  ;)
>
> Anyway, I made it back to Crystal Lake for my 20th HS reunion in
> 1994 and would like to make the 30th...
>
> It's 2 years away and might give folks enough time to recover from
> this one...
>
> Anywhere between Chicago and Seattle in or around June 2004 would
> work...  My wife might decided to stay in South Dakota and visit her
> family so I'd actually be able to do some wheeling... ;)  Of course
> where does one wheel in Illinois????  Cornfields?
>
> john
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:02:56 -0700
From: john 
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: AMC ProFlow Fuel Injection Kit being considered by Edlebrock

At 04:28 AM 8/31/2002 -0400, ATBigfoot-at-aol.com wrote:
>
I believe Holley already offers fuel injection for the AMC V-8's.

  Holley stinks...  and they make it TBI only...
Edelbrock is so much better then Holley... :)

and this is the multi-point system. :)
Edlebrock mentioned only the 401 in the piece I saw.

Besides, if I were going to do a TBI it'd
be a Howell Engineering unit.

Edelbrock carbs are actually Webers... Never met a Weber
carb I didn't like. :)

john




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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:04:49 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: Re: Re: gatherings east of here...

At 09:59 AM 8/31/2002 -0500, Vince Orr wrote:
>John and all:
>You're right, unless you like mud, that's about the only wheeling in
>Illinois.  Now, South Dakota, perhaps around the badlands somewhere, that
>might be some good wheelin'.
>--Vince


The last time I flew into the Chicago area I was surprised at
all the water... no wonder it's so humid in the summer.  :)

It's amazing the things you notice after 25 years... ;)

BTW, there is some serious wheeling in the Black Hills.

john
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:06:42 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: the Awsom50 Merc from Cobra is on ebay...

FYI, sorry for the intrusion.

I'm helping a friend sell his car...
	...the "awsom50" 1950 Mercury from the movie Cobra with Sylvester Stallone.

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1855667661

My guess is that Jay Leno "needs" this car for his collection, problem
is I don't have Jay's email address; feel please pass this along to him.  :)

more pictures and info at:  http://wagoneers.com/awsom50/

Contact me by email:  john-at-wagoneers.com

Be happy to answer any questions or take more pictures of the car.

The car is up in the Pacific NorthWest, you know:
"Where Jeeps don't rust, they mold".

However, the '50 Merc has been stored in a nice dry garage... :)

Hey, if nothing else, enjoy the pictures of the car, it's impressive.

john meister
snohomish, washington
...hey, if you can't afford the '50 Merc I am trying to sell my son's '67 
Fairlane and my '76 280Z.
   I'm usually involved with Jeeps (SJ, XJ and WJ) (and of course 
UNIX)   http://wagoneers.com
   The old Full Size Jeeps (SJ) are 
fantastic...  http://wagoneers.com/superdawg

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:26:53 -0500
From: "R.J. Baynum" 
Subject: fsj: FSJ_Modified..  Sci FI or a new trend?

Well i guess you can call it Sci-Fi , in a heavy metal, with Grand  vision of imagination of ugly brute Force.
sort of Mad Max like ?! Yep I noticed, And recognize this as a class of it's own right, and or FSJ Breed all it's own. The Frankenstein FSJ.
Most people trying to get the best of both worlds, or other worlds ( which ever the case may be..) to suit their needs..

Yes, You may be concerned.. But don't be.. Nor As I am concerned about you
for not noticing such things.
I am truly amazed at the possibilities people think of when they cross breed FSJs, and when they they add things to the dash, like cameras, VCR's,  GPS, 
and so much has a police Fluer (sp?) system ( far infra red )from a helicopter, in it!
So your calling me,.. ME!.. Crazy?!!
I THINK NOT!
This should make for the most interesting, and most pop science like, 
Sci-fi FSJ List on the planet! I plan to make it so!  ( As Capt. Picard would say!)
The Universe is the only limit!

so if you don't like it.. 
Live long and Prosper !

R.J.
   




   From: "Dave" 
Subject: Re: new ..FSJ-Modified

Hey RJ go for it!
I like Sci-Fi.   ;-)
later,
dave

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tapanes" 

| R.J., I like you a great deal, but...get help.  There's got to be some
type of 12 step program you can participate in, or do we need to do an
intervention?
|
| Drop the list and step away...
|
| A concerned lister...
|   ----- Original Message -----
|   From: R.J. Baynum |
|
|   I have noticed a new emerging trend. so to  follow up on it
|   and try to have it's own niche in the FSJ world, which it should in it's
|   own right..
|   Esp since the people who make these Beast work so hard to come up with..
|   should have their own group.. It seems only fair.. don't you think?
|   So here is it's debut!
|
|   FSJ-Modified!
|

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:40:11 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: heading to LA for HP World...

hey Wes and other SoCal types...

I'll be driving down to LA for the week of Sept 23-27th.

Not sure how much free time I'll have, but if you're near
the HP World/Interex Conference we could get together for a
cup of coffee and maybe take some pictures of your rig. :)

We'll be in the wife's '99 Grand Cherokee since SuperDawg
is still under construction... and Curtis won't let me
drive it in bug-infested areas until at least six weeks
after the paint is cured... ;)  (have selected a color,
see:  http://wagoneers.com/superdawg and look in the 2002 directory.

We'll probably be heading north Friday so I'm back in time
for work the next week..

john
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:36:08 CDT
From: Dan Black 
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: AMC ProFlow Fuel Injection Kit being considered by Edlebrock 

john  said:
{- At 04:28 AM 8/31/2002 -0400, ATBigfoot-at-aol.com wrote:
{- >
I believe Holley already offers fuel injection for the AMC V-8's.
{- 
{-   Holley stinks...  and they make it TBI only...
{- Edelbrock is so much better then Holley... :)
{- 
{- and this is the multi-point system. :)
{- Edlebrock mentioned only the 401 in the piece I saw.

I agree with your feelings about Holley.

Might try www.customefis.com.  That's the TBI system I have on my '88,
and I've been really happy with it (worked great up on the Ouray trails
- -- never sputtered, even past the treeline, up to 13K', and had it to
14K' before).  As soon as I can afford it, I'm planning on having him do
one of the multi-port systems for my '74 (with the 401).  His ported
injection page for AMCs (301,360,401) is:
  http://www.customefis.com/amcport.html

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:52:05 -0700
From: john 
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Re: gatherings east of here...

Hey, I drove THREE DAYS EAST to get to Ouray... ;)

Trying to find a location that's central to all is tough... :)

john


At 05:40 PM 8/31/2002 -0400, BGotro-at-aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 8/31/02 11:08:42 AM Central Daylight Time, 
>john-at-wagoneers.com writes:
>
>
>>Now, South Dakota, perhaps around the badlands somewhere, that
>> >might be some good wheelin'.
>> >--Vince
>>
>
>
>I am kinda confused about something. I was hoping when the topic of a 
>gathering in the East came up that the East actually meant the East. Does 
>this mean east of the last gathering or east of the Mississippi or what? 
>There are tons of great places to wheel that are used to getting crowds 
>like Barnwell's Mountain in Gilmer Tx or even further, we could all meet 
>in Tellico or in Hot Springs Arkansas. I haven't been in on the 
>conversation so let me know if all of these have been talked about already.
>
>Phillip S. Losh
>'79 Wounded but healing Chief

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:54:51 -0600
From: "Daniel Beiers" 
Subject: fsj: I might have this figured out

Hello,
I have been reading in the archives and I found a string that eludes to
bypassing the normal wiring of the "charging system" and putting in a wire
directly from the alternator to the battery.  I am having charging problems
on my 85 wagoneer and I started looking at the wiring.  basically I have a
heavy gauge (but not to heavy) red wire that goes from the alternator (stud
and nut connection in back) into the firewall.  there is also a light gauge
red wire that leads from the plastic clip on the alternator.  this lighter
red wire is spliced into a yellow wire, that goes to the fire wall, and a
brown wire that goes to the starter solenoid.
Before go further I should mention that last summer my ammeter went out and
I bypassed by putting a jumper wire between the 2 terminals.
So, based on what I have read it seems that I can just not use this yellow
or larger red wire.  I am thinking about running a wire from the alt (stud
and nut connection) to the post on the starter solenoid.  I would also run
the lighter red wire from the plastic clip back to the starter solenoid.
Here are the questions:
1. Will this work?  Do I need this loop through the fire wall intact to have
other things function beside the ammeter?
2. I am assuming I will need a fusible link between the alt and the batt.
How many amps?  Any one know where I might find such a device?

Thanks for reading this, I have this thing apart and I am stuck at work.  I
want to put it back together right but I don't want to screw anything up.
Please email me directly if you have any input or suggestions for me.  I
appreciate any insight you guys can offer.

Thanks
Dan

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:56:19 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: Re: I might have this figured out

I found that trying to eliminate the ammeter completely in some
FSJs will keep them from working...  the better way of
solving the problem with the ammeter is to find where the two leads
go and then tie them together UNDER the hood, that way you still
have voltage running back into the dash to power things.

I HIGHLY recommend putting either a section of fusible link between
your newly joined connection and the alternator/battery.  You can
also use those thermal circuit breakers... 50A at least.

make sure all the wiring is tied up and taped and not rubbing on
anything sharp or hot...  duct tape is fine... serious... you
want to keep the wire from chaffing and shorting out...

hope this helps....

john


At 04:54 PM 8/31/2002 -0600, Daniel Beiers wrote:
>Hello,
>I have been reading in the archives and I found a string that eludes to
>bypassing the normal wiring of the "charging system" and putting in a wire
>directly from the alternator to the battery.  I am having charging problems
>on my 85 wagoneer and I started looking at the wiring.  basically I have a
>heavy gauge (but not to heavy) red wire that goes from the alternator (stud
>and nut connection in back) into the firewall.  there is also a light gauge
>red wire that leads from the plastic clip on the alternator.  this lighter
>red wire is spliced into a yellow wire, that goes to the fire wall, and a
>brown wire that goes to the starter solenoid.
>Before go further I should mention that last summer my ammeter went out and
>I bypassed by putting a jumper wire between the 2 terminals.
>So, based on what I have read it seems that I can just not use this yellow
>or larger red wire.  I am thinking about running a wire from the alt (stud
>and nut connection) to the post on the starter solenoid.  I would also run
>the lighter red wire from the plastic clip back to the starter solenoid.
>Here are the questions:
>1. Will this work?  Do I need this loop through the fire wall intact to have
>other things function beside the ammeter?
>2. I am assuming I will need a fusible link between the alt and the batt.
>How many amps?  Any one know where I might find such a device?
>
>Thanks for reading this, I have this thing apart and I am stuck at work.  I
>want to put it back together right but I don't want to screw anything up.
>Please email me directly if you have any input or suggestions for me.  I
>appreciate any insight you guys can offer.
>
>Thanks
>Dan

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:23:06 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: bypassing alternator

thanx JC. :)
john

At 07:52 PM 8/31/2002 -0600, JC Jones wrote:
Dan,

Here is what I would suggest you do to bypass the ammeter if you so
desire.  Disconnect the wire from the "batt" post on the back of the
alternator and insulate the connector well - electrical tape with heat
shrink tubing over that - and zip tie that wire back up the harness to
keep it out of the way.  Don't change anything on the plastic plug that
plugs into the side (back) of the alternator.  Get some good quality 8
gauge wire, get a fuse block and blade fuse that is typically used for
high end audio gear (I use a 100 Amp fuse for a mostly stock electrical
system with a stock alternator because 50 is not enough and 200 is too
much).  Mount the fuse holder to the inner fenderwell near the starter
solenoid.  Route the 8 gauge wire from the post on the back of the
alternator to the fuse holder on the firewall keeping it clear of the
exhaust manifold.  Route a wire from the other side of the fuse holder
to the battery side of the starter solenoid.  The dash will get power
fine with the original alternator output wire disconnected and if it is
insulated and protected well you don't need to worry about a short
through the ammeter.

This will bypass the ammeter entirely, and the amperage you will then be
running through the dash will be only what the dash requires.  Your
charging system will be protected by the 100 Amp fuse on the inner
finderwell and your charging system should also be much more efficient
as well.

JC Jones  http://www.jtruck.net http://www.wagoneer.net
1979 Jeep J-10 "Max"   1987 Grand Wagoneer
1978 MB 300D "Fritz"   1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior"
* * * * * ===================  "They that can give up
  * * * *  ===================  essential liberty to
* * * * * ===================  obtain a little
=============================  temporary safety
=============================  deserve neither
=============================  liberty nor safety."
=============================  -Benjamin Franklin


- -> -----Original Message-----
- -> From: Daniel Beiers [mailto:dbeiers-at-msn.com]
- -> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:55 PM
- -> To: fsj-at-digest.net; cfsja-at-yahoogroups.com
- -> Cc: john-at-wagoneers.com
- -> Subject: [cfsja] I might have this figured out
- ->
- ->
- -> Hello,
- -> I have been reading in the archives and I found a string
- -> that eludes to bypassing the normal wiring of the "charging
- -> system" and putting in a wire directly from the alternator
- -> to the battery.  I am having charging problems on my 85
- -> wagoneer and I started looking at the wiring.  basically I
- -> have a heavy gauge (but not to heavy) red wire that goes
- -> from the alternator (stud and nut connection in back) into
- -> the firewall.  there is also a light gauge red wire that
- -> leads from the plastic clip on the alternator.  this lighter
- -> red wire is spliced into a yellow wire, that goes to the
- -> fire wall, and a brown wire that goes to the starter
- -> solenoid. Before go further I should mention that last
- -> summer my ammeter went out and I bypassed by putting a
- -> jumper wire between the 2 terminals. So, based on what I
- -> have read it seems that I can just not use this yellow or
- -> larger red wire.  I am thinking about running a wire from
- -> the alt (stud and nut connection) to the post on the starter
- -> solenoid.  I would also run the lighter red wire from the
- -> plastic clip back to the starter solenoid. Here are the
- -> questions: 1. Will this work?  Do I need this loop through
- -> the fire wall intact to have other things function beside
- -> the ammeter? 2. I am assuming I will need a fusible link
- -> between the alt and the batt. How many amps?  Any one know
- -> where I might find such a device?
- ->
- -> Thanks for reading this, I have this thing apart and I am
- -> stuck at work.  I want to put it back together right but I
- -> don't want to screw anything up. Please email me directly if
- -> you have any input or suggestions for me.  I appreciate any
- -> insight you guys can offer.
- ->
- -> Thanks
- -> Dan
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