From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Sep 3 10:00:29 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, September 3 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1738 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Re: Ouray Attendee fsj: Re: Re: Ouray Attendee fsj: Re: vince's dilemma fsj: Re: AMC 360 build fsj: Re: vince's dilemma fsj: charging system-bypassing ammeter fsj: Re: Transfer Case brackets fsj: Re: AMC 360 build FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 08:58:13 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Ouray Attendee Mike: Where you live? I'm in Bolingbrook. Couldn't get my Wagoneer running in time to attend. Was all packed up and then no ignition. :( Was my own darn fault though. Running great now. Should have won the ugly award. Let me know if you want to get together sometime and gaze at our FSJ's. What sort of problems did you have on the Ouray trip? - --Vince '81 Wagoneer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Mike Redding" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: fsj: Re: Ouray Attendee > At 12:57 AM 8/29/2002 -0700, Mike Redding wrote: > >Hi, > >I was in Ouray(the Chicago guy) and was in my 1970 > >Wagoneer. Did not attend the picnic, was in the > >process of repairs....... =) > >-Mike > > we should have made up placards for our rigs that > we could have set on the dash... name, FSJ (whether > or not it was there or in so many pieces... ;), and > where we were from... I'm getting email from folks > that parked next to my '99 Grand Cherokee but couldn't > find me... > > Really a shame to have driven all that way and only had > two major events to meet everyone... Of course the logistics > involved in setting things up was not insignificant either... > the folks from CFSA did an outstanding job! > > I may be in Chicago 2004 for my 30th HS reunion... maybe > we should start planning an FSJ gathering then... who knows, > maybe SuperDawg will be done by then, rofl... :) > > I'll be down in LA for HP-World/Interex 23rd - 27th... My > wife will be with me so that limits Jeep activities. :) She's > not a Jeep nut and is usually bored to death when I meet up > with a fellow nutcase. :) Since I don't get to spend a lot > of time with her between work and teaching, I tend to avoid > spending too much of my free time with fellow nutcases. :) Nothing > personal mind you... rofl... > > Not sure how the Interex/HP-World will be structured so I can't > really plan on meeting up for lunch or anything... :) If you're > in LA might be able to get a picture of your FSJ... :) > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:00:55 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Ouray Attendee I really like the placard idea. Perhaps take some sticky notes with you to paste on peoples window with contact information......or as in some events, use a central bulletin board to contact folks or state where you are going to be and when. - --Vince - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Mike Redding" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: fsj: Re: Ouray Attendee > At 12:57 AM 8/29/2002 -0700, Mike Redding wrote: > >Hi, > >I was in Ouray(the Chicago guy) and was in my 1970 > >Wagoneer. Did not attend the picnic, was in the > >process of repairs....... =) > >-Mike > > we should have made up placards for our rigs that > we could have set on the dash... name, FSJ (whether > or not it was there or in so many pieces... ;), and > where we were from... I'm getting email from folks > that parked next to my '99 Grand Cherokee but couldn't > find me... > > Really a shame to have driven all that way and only had > two major events to meet everyone... Of course the logistics > involved in setting things up was not insignificant either... > the folks from CFSA did an outstanding job! > > I may be in Chicago 2004 for my 30th HS reunion... maybe > we should start planning an FSJ gathering then... who knows, > maybe SuperDawg will be done by then, rofl... :) > > I'll be down in LA for HP-World/Interex 23rd - 27th... My > wife will be with me so that limits Jeep activities. :) She's > not a Jeep nut and is usually bored to death when I meet up > with a fellow nutcase. :) Since I don't get to spend a lot > of time with her between work and teaching, I tend to avoid > spending too much of my free time with fellow nutcases. :) Nothing > personal mind you... rofl... > > Not sure how the Interex/HP-World will be structured so I can't > really plan on meeting up for lunch or anything... :) If you're > in LA might be able to get a picture of your FSJ... :) > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:07:02 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: vince's dilemma Good advice. I'm also a rights advocate. Governments don't have any business meddling in our freedoms. I've always agreed that if someone commits a crime, they should be held responsible for their actions. - --Vince - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: fsj: vince's dilemma > vince... > > get the lift... :) > since you live in illinois they'll just be coming by > to confiscate your guns soon anyway... of course give 'em a > couple years and they'll be impounding your 4x4 too... > > remember, if they get the 2nd, they'll get all 10... > (hint: constitution) > > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:33:50 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: AMC 360 build Basically, I put a lot of Edelbrock parts on mine. In retrospect.....I think I lost some of the low end torque. However, it really has lots more power now at higher RPM's (3 grand and above). I have no problems on the highway and daily driving is fine. Started out with a rebuilt, rebored motor. Parts I used were Edelbrock chain and sprockets, cam, lifters, springs, retainers, 1400 carb, EGR manifold, valve covers and air cleaner. The last two of course were entirely for looks! Painted it AMC blue for effect. Oh yeah, don't forget to get the Edelbrock linkage extension part for your throttle linkage. Plus, I have a problem with my cruise control chain hitting the 15 inch air cleaner on the bottom. I'd probably go with a 14 inch or smaller air cleaner at this point but you know, the 15 inch with my new K&N air filter really breaths well! I can send a picture if you want. Probably have about $2,000 wrapped up in engine and parts and another $500 to $1,000 in miscellaneous parts like hoses, pumps, new 4 core radiator (bored motor runs hot), etc. PS: I have a full set of lifters, springs, retainers, and cam for a stock 360. Also have some extra parts - my original '81 engine with manifold and carb. Some '79 engine parts from a J20 - intake and exhaust manifolds and a carb (2 barrel). Also have my original '81 engine with carb and intake manifold. - --Vince '81 Wagoneer - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: fsj: AMC 360 build > 
Looking for any and all info/tips on building AMC 360.  Am looking to
build a
> high performance (not hot rod) that will hold up and be suitable for
everyday
> driving.  What works and what doesn't?

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Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:38:24 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: Re: vince's dilemma

At 09:07 AM 9/1/2002 -0500, Vince Orr wrote:
>Good advice.  I'm also a rights advocate.  Governments don't have any
>business meddling in our freedoms.  I've always agreed that if someone
>commits a crime, they should be held responsible for their actions.

you know that kind of thinking just runs so counter to the liberal
mindset... :)  btw, World Magazine had an interesting article last
issue about California, might be on line...

http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/08-31-02/
http://www.worldmag.com/world/home.asp

It's interesting how the liberals attack our freedoms and our
ability to 4x4.  More and more of our off-road areas are restricted.
Even though most of the 4x4 clubs do cleanup activity on the trails... :(

john


>--Vince
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "john" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:22 PM
>Subject: fsj: vince's dilemma
>
>
> > vince...
> >
> > get the lift...  :)
> > since you live in illinois they'll just be coming by
> > to confiscate your guns soon anyway...  of course give 'em a
> > couple years and they'll be impounding your 4x4 too...
> >
> > remember, if they get the 2nd, they'll get all 10...
> > (hint: constitution)
> >
> > john
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >                    http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
> >        Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
> >           jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >

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                   http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
       Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
          jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:52:03 -0600
From: "Daniel Beiers" 
Subject: fsj: charging system-bypassing ammeter

Wow JC, great info and exactly what I was looking for.
There is still that yellow wire though, do I keep that connected to the batt
side of the starter solenoid too?


> At 07:52 PM 8/31/2002 -0600, JC Jones wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Here is what I would suggest you do to bypass the ammeter if you so
> desire.  Disconnect the wire from the "batt" post on the back of the
> alternator and insulate the connector well - electrical tape with heat
> shrink tubing over that - and zip tie that wire back up the harness to
> keep it out of the way.  Don't change anything on the plastic plug that
> plugs into the side (back) of the alternator.  Get some good quality 8
> gauge wire, get a fuse block and blade fuse that is typically used for
> high end audio gear (I use a 100 Amp fuse for a mostly stock electrical
> system with a stock alternator because 50 is not enough and 200 is too
> much).  Mount the fuse holder to the inner fenderwell near the starter
> solenoid.  Route the 8 gauge wire from the post on the back of the
> alternator to the fuse holder on the firewall keeping it clear of the
> exhaust manifold.  Route a wire from the other side of the fuse holder
> to the battery side of the starter solenoid.  The dash will get power
> fine with the original alternator output wire disconnected and if it is
> insulated and protected well you don't need to worry about a short
> through the ammeter.
>
> This will bypass the ammeter entirely, and the amperage you will then be
> running through the dash will be only what the dash requires.  Your
> charging system will be protected by the 100 Amp fuse on the inner
> finderwell and your charging system should also be much more efficient
> as well.
>
> JC Jones  http://www.jtruck.net http://www.wagoneer.net
> 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max"   1987 Grand Wagoneer
> 1978 MB 300D "Fritz"   1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior"
> * * * * * ===================  "They that can give up
>   * * * *  ===================  essential liberty to
> * * * * * ===================  obtain a little
> =============================  temporary safety
> =============================  deserve neither
> =============================  liberty nor safety."
> =============================  -Benjamin Franklin
>
>
> - -> -----Original Message-----
> - -> From: Daniel Beiers [mailto:dbeiers-at-msn.com]
> - -> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:55 PM
> - -> To: fsj-at-digest.net; cfsja-at-yahoogroups.com
> - -> Cc: john-at-wagoneers.com
> - -> Subject: [cfsja] I might have this figured out
> - ->
> - ->
> - -> Hello,
> - -> I have been reading in the archives and I found a string
> - -> that eludes to bypassing the normal wiring of the "charging
> - -> system" and putting in a wire directly from the alternator
> - -> to the battery.  I am having charging problems on my 85
> - -> wagoneer and I started looking at the wiring.  basically I
> - -> have a heavy gauge (but not to heavy) red wire that goes
> - -> from the alternator (stud and nut connection in back) into
> - -> the firewall.  there is also a light gauge red wire that
> - -> leads from the plastic clip on the alternator.  this lighter
> - -> red wire is spliced into a yellow wire, that goes to the
> - -> fire wall, and a brown wire that goes to the starter
> - -> solenoid. Before go further I should mention that last
> - -> summer my ammeter went out and I bypassed by putting a
> - -> jumper wire between the 2 terminals. So, based on what I
> - -> have read it seems that I can just not use this yellow or
> - -> larger red wire.  I am thinking about running a wire from
> - -> the alt (stud and nut connection) to the post on the starter
> - -> solenoid.  I would also run the lighter red wire from the
> - -> plastic clip back to the starter solenoid. Here are the
> - -> questions: 1. Will this work?  Do I need this loop through
> - -> the fire wall intact to have other things function beside
> - -> the ammeter? 2. I am assuming I will need a fusible link
> - -> between the alt and the batt. How many amps?  Any one know
> - -> where I might find such a device?
> - ->
> - -> Thanks for reading this, I have this thing apart and I am
> - -> stuck at work.  I want to put it back together right but I
> - -> don't want to screw anything up. Please email me directly if
> - -> you have any input or suggestions for me.  I appreciate any
> - -> insight you guys can offer.
> - ->
> - -> Thanks
> - -> Dan
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Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:12:54 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: Re: Transfer Case brackets

At 11:33 PM 9/1/2002 -0400, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote:
>        Mr John Meister,
>Hope all is well with you and your family. Hope the Ouray trip was good.

It was great.  Went to Mesa Verde, Moab, 4 corners...  didn't
do any wheeling though... had the wife's Jeep and she made it clear
that I couldn't. :)  I did drive up Black Bear Road a ways though... :)
Did get a chance to put the WJ in 4 low... for a short way... :)
SuperDawg isn't ready yet...  but we're making progress, picked a color
at last... hopefully he'll be together before the first snow...


>Other news around here...I might be buying a Commanche. nearly 200,000 on the
>clock...in my price range...body is not too bad...I think it might look

The MJ's aren't too bad... what year?  hope it has the 4.0L or at
the least the 2.5L with FI.

>really good in yellow. There are a few noises at work of engineering
>organizing. Cancelled vacations, manditory "casual overtime", and not
>insignificant pay cuts are happening down in the trenches while our
>management is rewarding themselves for thier cost cuts with enormous pay
>raises and double bonuses. (One of my managers got a 300% pay raise).

That's too bad... the engineering union at Boeing never did any thing
for me... I was glad to get out from it by way of a promotion.  :)

Sounds like you're dealing with the good old boy network... too bad,
sometimes it takes a union to bust that mentality...  but then the
union becomes the good old boy network and all suffer...

You've kind of got one of those "dream jobs"... of course there
really aren't any more of those unless you either start your own
company or work for a small company that has good morales.

We went through a bit of downsizing, lost a lot of folks... we had
deferred pay increases that we just got... about half of normal and
about 8 months late, but we have a job and things are turning around.

The entire economy is pretty bad overall.

>To my extreme frustration I am rebuilding my Wagoneer's transfer case for the
>second time in 200 miles. The first rebuild kit I bought had third rate
>bearings with less that half the rollers as the origional Torringtons. I've
>gotten too good at this...it took me an hour and a half to go from driving to
>lying on a creeper beside the Wagoneer with the transfer case on my stomach
>unable to do a sit up. it took me three more to completely tear it down. this
>brings me to my question. there are two little brackets on my NP 219 transfer
>case. I suspect that the NP 229 and NP 208 have either similar or identical
>brackets. One of them goes on the passenger side on one of the bolts that
>holds the two halves together and has one sheet metal screw holding I think
>fuel vent tubes to it. The other is about a 16th thick, has one big hole (to
>bolt to either the tailshaft housing on the t-case, or one of the bolts that
>holds the two halves together) it has a bend in it and then two little holes
>in it. Where does that go and what does it hold up?

I've got an NP219 I bought at Ouray, it's outside, if it's not raining
tomorrow I'll take some pictures of it since I'm not sure what you're
talking about. :)

>Anyway I hope all is going well with you.
>Mark

It is.  Would have been nice if you could have made it to Ouray
since you're the guy that suggested it. :)

BTW, are you on the FSJ list on digest.net yet?  :)

ttyl,
john
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                   http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
       Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
          jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:46:05 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: Re: AMC 360 build

I trimmed a few of the better ones down, excluded the
advertisement picture ;) and after uploading some of my
pictures from "labor" day (fixed the pond and installed shutters)
http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/BeckysGarden/LaborDay-2002/

putting the pictures up in the http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Vince-Orr

btw, the auction for the '50 Merc is really going well.  :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1855667661

:)

john


At 08:09 PM 9/2/2002 -0500, Vince Orr wrote:
>FYI
>Here are some pictures of my engine during final assembly and before it went
>into the wagoneer.   If they don't make it, let me know and I can try
>zipping them or something.  Or perhaps John may be able to put them on his
>web site.  One is a good shot of the engine upside down during oil pump
>assembly.  Let me know if you want a shot of it in the engine compartment.
>
>Good Stats:
>AMC 360 bored .030 over - from City Motor Supply in FT. Worth, TX.
>Edelbrock EGR manifold, mod 1400 EGR carb (weber), Edelbrock chain and
>sprockets, Edel. cam, lifters, springs, and retainers.  Stock rockers and
>pushrods.  Edl chrome valve covers and 15" air cleaner with K&N filter.  Cut
>out the exhaust butterfly.  AMC blue paint is too cool.
>Regrets:
>Stock exhaust manifolds.  Stock exhaust setup.  Exhaust crossover is
>dented/bent slightly.  Had my share of troubles.  Cruise control chain
>slightly hits bottom of air cleaner.  I think I have a vacuum leak.
>--Vince
>'81 Wagoneer
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:54 PM
>Subject: Re: AMC 360 build
>
>
> > 
Pictures would be great.  Do you ever use this Jeep to tow and if so,
>how
> > does it do?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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                   http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
       Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
          jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
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