From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Sep 8 20:37:56 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, September 9 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1742 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: what a day... :) fsj: SuperDawg pictures - in work fsj: compare Re: fsj: Re: rims fsj: Fwd: AMC 360 fuel injection fsj: the neverending superdawg project fsj: Re: compare fsj: flash screens? fsj: Re: flash screens? fsj: New home for the Judge FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:09:03 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: what a day... :) the '50 Merc sold on ebay and I've been chatting with the buyer and the owner... while driving up to Bellingham to look at a '76 J10 with 12,000 miles... yeah, right... 112,000 miles more like... I took pictures and put it up on my server http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/76-J10/ see what you think... the guy paid $4,500 plus tax, plus 10% auction fee, plus... it had to be well over $5k for a $2,500 to 3,500 truck... :) nice looking though... ended up looking at packards on the internet, long story... offered my '76 280Z in trade for a '47... we'll see. :) I was looking at 300CDs on ebay and found a great site for shipping: http://www.movecars.com/ later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:12:22 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: SuperDawg pictures - in work finally getting around to putting a few pictures up on the server... curtis has been taking a few... http://www.wagoneers.com/SuperDawg/DawgYear2002/ note the engine in the frame... and the xj dash being morphed into the sj cluster... :) lots of work... curtis is stripping the frame down to bare metal and working his way up... I'll stop by Friday Sept 20 on my way down to LA to take a few pictures of the progress... We have selected the color, dark driftwood poly, a 1988/89 AMC color. later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:36:11 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: compare compare this '76 J10 with "guaranteed" 12,000 miles from an estate sale today: (sold for $4,500) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/76-J10/ to this '86 J20 with 8,943 miles http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/ notice the difference that 4,000 miles can make? ;) That '76 is without a doubt a 112,000 mile rig, sounded good, was nice in a general sense, but lots of oil leaks, rust, and so on... A compression test on that motor would independently confirm my suspicion. :) john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html '83 J10 stepside (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg '99 Grand Cherokee Ltd (WJ) - http://wagoneers.com/WJ '67 J-100 Panel (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/ '77 Cherokee (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-77-cherokee '76 Datsun 280Z - http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/280Z/ (for sale) '67 Ford Fairlane - http://www.wagoneers.com/ebay/fairlane/ (for sale) '54 Chevy box... almost a trailer... (for sale) Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:17:41 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: rims A: Just don't try to use '88 or newer Chev 4x4 rims (they hit the tierods) I happen to have a nice set of alloy slotted wheels from an older wag with center caps, and a set of slightly rusty 16" wheels with 32" wheels in decent shape for $100 a set. From: john Subject: fsj: Re: rims thanx for the amsoil business. as far as the rims the world is wide-open. :) They're "standard" six lug rims... Chevy, Toyota, etc... just about any 6-lug rims will work. The only issue, and not a big one, is the offset. I've run white spoke rims from a Toyota. Rims from a Chevy and rims from older FSJs. SuperDawg has the slotted mags from a mid-70's FSJ. :) I never can keep track of what the 6-lug dimension is but I know it's the same for a wide variety of vehicles. Any tire shop should recognize it and provide a number of options. So, start browsing the catalog and see what they have, just don't tell 'em what you're driving... ;) BTW, Discount Tires has always been a great place for me. Excellent service and generally good prices. :) FWIW, I have a complete set of the six lug slotted mags like are on http://wagoneers.com/superdawg and I'm heading down to LA next month... have room in the wife's WJ... :) ttyl, john meister At 02:13 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, Mike Morgan wrote: >Hi John, >It has been awhile since I have communicated with you, I had bought some >Amsol filters months ago for 1990 Grand Wagoner. > >I have a question I hope you can help with. >One thing I wanted to do was upgrade the rims on my 1990 GW, to improve the >look and because the original rims are aluminum and all pitted, causing >constant leaking. I want to get some bead lock rims. Could you recommend >what I should get and where to get it? I have had no luck with the major >internet tire/wheel sites. > >Thanks >Mike Morgan >Open Source Technology >800.551.OPEN (6736) ext. 1744 >mailto:mmorgan-at-talent.ostne.com >http://talent.ostne.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:00:41 EDT From: ATBigfoot-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Fwd: AMC 360 fuel injection Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf05.mx.aol.com (rly-xf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.229]) by air-xf03.mail.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILINXF32-0904102605; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:26:05 -0400 Received: from 63-202-124-194.ded.pacbell.net (63-202-124-194.ded.pacbell.net [63.202.124.194]) by rly-xf05.mx.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXF59-0904102600; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:26:00 -0400 Received: from no.name.available by 63-202-124-194.ded.pacbell.net via smtpd (for xf.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.249]) with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 14:34:38 UT Received: from NETSERVER [192.187.224.15] by netserver2.EDELBROCK - SuperScout Email Filter (4.0); Wednesday, 04 September 2002, 07:24:18 Message-ID: From: EFItech To: "'ATBigfoot-at-aol.com'" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:25:27 -0700 Subject: RE: AMC 360 fuel injection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) ATBigfoot, We are not looking at an Injection system for the AMC engine family at this point. - -----Original Message----- From: ATBigfoot-at-aol.com [mailto:ATBigfoot-at-aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:32 AM To: efitech-at-edelbrock.com Subject: AMC 360 fuel injection 
Would like to see this product offered.

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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:26:20 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: the neverending superdawg project

At 03:15 PM 9/8/2002 +0000, 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com wrote:
>Message: 3
>    Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 01:09:07 EDT
>    From: cherokeechief79-at-aol.com
>Subject: Re: SuperDawg pictures - in work
http://www.wagoneers.com/SuperDawg/DawgYear2002/
>shees gonna be sweeeeet john!

he was nice before, just getting better...  :)

the goal was to improve fuel efficiency and reliability,
and an automatic trans (although I did like the T-5, it
was "weak" but had good ratios... under towing load I could
tell that it wouldn't take much to break it...  that
and my lower back was injured in the Army and shifting most
cars results in problems... although SJs and VWs seem to
be ok for the most part.)

While he had some rust spots in weird places, probably from
trees dropping sap, he was cleaner then the alleged 12,000 mile
truck.  Of course Curtis being from California thinks any rust
is a bad thing and points to various surface rust and is concerned.
I think we need to chip in and get Curtis an all expense paid trip
to Chicago to look at vehicles that live there... rofl...  of course
he's probably been there and seen it first hand, but trust me, after
a couple years out here on the west coast you forget...  I was appalled
at the rust issue in Salt Lake City... I saw a '78 (donor vehicle
for my son's transmission) with door skins and fenders rotted away and
learned that they are actually using the brine from the Great Salt Lake
on the roads in the winter!  Thankfully out here in Oregon and Washington
we either can't afford salt or our "leaders" are smart enough to know
that sand works just as well, better perhaps...  There are places in
snow country like Montana and South Dakota and Wyoming I think, that
don't salt the roads...  We should compile a list of places where salt
is used, and then a list of places where rust is an issue just because
of the environment.  I mean vehicles in Florida seem to rot away pretty
quick too, and last I checked they don't use salt on the roads in winter... ;)

>will everything in the new dash panel work?

absolutely. we're using the '96 XJ wiring harness.  we'll
have to move the idiot lights off somewhere else as the SJ
dash panel isn't as wide as the XJ.  Also we'll need to
relocate the SJ heater controls.  I chose to keep them
as opposed to using the XJ vacuum controls.  The cables
used in the SJ are simple.   I'd like to keep the heater
controls AWAY from my passenger (as she's usually cold and
always cranks whatever heater is near by way up baking me
alive... ;)

>does the older speedo cable attach to it?

no, the newer unit uses an electronic pickup.

>ABOVE THE LAW
>76-79 cherokeechief
>chevy 502
>t 400    np205
>dana 60 front
>corp 14 bolt rear
>fiberglass quarters and fenders


later,
john


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                   http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
       Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
          jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:29:08 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: Re: compare

At 06:07 PM 9/8/2002 +0000, Machinedoc-at-attbi.com wrote:
>Hey John,
>Notice anything familiar about that color of the 86 J20?

it's Cocoa Brown... seen it before on the J20...  can't
think of anything else familiar... except to the J20 and
Michael Baxter's '79, it's a different color then the
Dk driftwood poly, but still a nice brown color. :)

>The quality looks similar too ;) in the close up shot.

quality?  I hope we get better quality.. rofl...

I couldn't believe the ignorance I heard yesterday... some
big dufus comes up and says, that's got the 360 huh?  Another
guy and I were looking and said yeah... he says, it's a Ford.
The other guy and I say, no, AMC.  He backed down after two
more denials, but I didn't think to tell him that AMC used
Ford ignition parts...

Looking at those pictures carefully underneath that truck
there is no way on this planet that this vehicle only has
12,000 miles... The dealer in Olympia had a silent bid of
$4k on this thing...  I wonder if they believed the auctioneer
or checked it out first... the auctioneer was citing paperwork
from the brotherinlaw...   I noticed on the door jamb an oil
change in '89 with 08xxx miles on it... but from '75 until
'89 is a long enough time to easily rack up 108k...  One
look at the 8,000 mile J20 proved to me that those folks up
there were deluding themselves and basically ripped off the
bidder for about $2,000.  It was a nice truck and I would
have bought it for $2,500 with the blessings of my spouse,
but $4,500 was absurd.

>Just a casual observation.
>Curtis
> > compare this '76 J10 with "guaranteed" 12,000 miles from
> > an estate sale today:  (sold for $4,500)
> > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/76-J10/
> >
> > to this '86 J20 with 8,943 miles
> > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J20-low-miles-1986/
> >
> > notice the difference that 4,000 miles can make?  ;)
> >
> > That '76 is without a doubt a 112,000 mile rig, sounded good,
> > was nice in a general sense, but lots of oil leaks, rust,
> > and so on...
> >
> > A compression test on that motor would independently confirm
> > my suspicion.  :)
> >
> > john
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> >         john-at-wagoneers.com     http://wagoneers.com
> >          http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html
> >
> >      '83 J10 stepside (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg
> >     '99 Grand Cherokee Ltd (WJ) - http://wagoneers.com/WJ
> > '67 J-100 Panel (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-67-Panel/
> > '77 Cherokee (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-77-cherokee
> > '76 Datsun 280Z - http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/280Z/ (for sale)
> > '67 Ford Fairlane - http://www.wagoneers.com/ebay/fairlane/ (for sale)
> > '54 Chevy box... almost a trailer... (for sale)
> >
> >        Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
> >    -----------------------------------------------------------
> >

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                   http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
       Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
          jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:07:22 -0500
From: "R.J. Baynum" 
Subject: fsj: flash screens?

interesting I did not know John had those on there..
I will forward..

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:14:44 -0500
   From: "T.C. Harvey" 
Subject: waggoneer dot com -- STOP THE FLASH SCREENS !!!!!!!!

Sirs,

    I hope you guys at www.wagonneer.com find a way to stop bombarding me
with all of those FLASH SCREENS!!!!!!!!!!!

T.C.

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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:47:07 -0700
From: john 
Subject: fsj: Re: flash screens?

John doesn't have flash screens, nor banner ads...

you need to type the address correctly:  http://wagoneers.com

sheesh...

john

At 08:07 PM 9/8/2002 -0500, R.J. Baynum wrote:
>interesting I did not know John had those on there..
>I will forward..
>
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:14:44 -0500
>   From: "T.C. Harvey" 
>Subject: waggoneer dot com -- STOP THE FLASH SCREENS !!!!!!!!
>
>Sirs,
>
>    I hope you guys at www.wagonneer.com find a way to stop bombarding me
>with all of those FLASH SCREENS!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>T.C.
>

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                   http://www.WAGONEERS.com/
       Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
          jesus, don't leave life without him, please!
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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:09:18 -0700
From: Clark Novak 
Subject: fsj: New home for the Judge

Hey guys,

Well, it finally happened... I am FSJ-less. My wife had had enough of The
Judge, and insisted I get a newer vehicle that she felt comfortable driving,
too, so I have a 2000 GMC 1500 Sierra.

However, The Judge is still in the family: I gave it to my cousin, Jason,
who'll be joining this list shortly. He's 25 and he's never driven anything
bigger than a Nissan pickup before :) Boy's got a man's truck now!

I'm going to stay on the list 'cause I still love FSJs, but I want to take
the opportunity to say "Thank you" to everyone on this list who's helped and
shared knowledge and kindness with me over the past six years. You guys are
all awesome. Special thanks to John, Jim and Michael for being so patient.

Clark Novak
ex-87 GW, San Diego

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