From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Sep 15 22:47:31 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, September 16 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1747 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: WSJ on FSJs fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1746 fsj: Re: Cherokees! fsj: forward tilt hood pictures fsj: Re: the TH400 (for a QT) in SoCal??? fsj: 35" tires fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: New 89 GW fsj: out with the Z, in the the XJ... never mind the 300CD... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:15:22 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: WSJ on FSJs A: Hey! I spent more than that on my '84 J10 in the last 6 months! (somewhere around $10,000 last I checked.) From: "allyoop" Subject: fsj: WSJ on FSJs Today's Wall Street Journal (of all things) has a brief article in the Weekend Journal section on the popularity of restored SUVs, including Grand Waggies. One guy paid $23,500 for a restored 1991 GW, (three times book value). Damon Kessler on Whidbey says he spent $5k last year on parts for his 1981 Wagoneer. They don't mention that was just to fix the rear window. Walt Greenwood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:50:59 -0500 From: Mike Dillon Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #1746 John, With 31" tires and the overdrive, 4.10 hands down. Any higher and the overdrive would be almost worthless except on long flat runs and I did not see much of that where you live. Mike D. > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:02:25 -0700 > From: john > Subject: fsj: gearing for a 4.0L xj motor in a J10... > > I'm trying to decide which R&P to use on my J10 project for > the best fuel economy. Performance is desired, but a distant second... > > I'm putting a '96 Cherokee 4.0L HO engine and Aisin Warner > 4 speed automatic into my '83 J10 Stepside. (it previously > had a 258 (4.2L) with a T-5 and 3.31 gears). Running either > 235's or 31's tires. > > The '96 XJ Cherokee the engine came out of had 3.55's. > > I'm planning on swapping the Model 20 rear axle for a Dana 44. > The rear Dana 44 has 4.10s in it right now. > > I also have access to a set of 3.54's for a Dana 44. > > The benefit of using Dana 44's in going with OX LOCKERS or ARBs. > > I also have the 4.10's out of my '75 J10 (that's where > the rear Dana 44 is coming from). > > So, the question is: > > FOR THE BEST FUEL ECONOMY AND then for OVERALL PERFORMANCE, > WHICH GEAR RATIO do you recommend: > > a.) 3.31 > b.) 3.54 > c.) 3.73 > d.) 4.10 > > notes: > a.) requires obtaining 3.31s for a rear D44 > b.) have D44's and D44 R&P's (two R&P swaps) > c.) DO NOT HAVE R&P for this ratio... $+$ > d.) have a pair of D44's with this ratio, HOWEVER, > the front axle has the wrong drop, will need > to swap R&P in front. > > I guess my least painful options are 3.54s or 4.10s. > > http://www.wagoneers.com/SuperDawg/DawgYear2002/J10-axle-ratios.htm > > I didn't run the numbers on 4.10's... or 3.73's. > However I have the numbers here: > http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/GEARING/ > and of course the formula here: > http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/GEARING/gears.html > > (I know about the on line calculators, but feel free to post the > link for others if you must... ;) > > Anyway, the Aisin Warner has a .75 overdrive so the 4.10's might > not be a bad way of going... not really sure though... I want > the fuel economy... The J10 will mainly be used to drive back > and forth to work... about 14 miles one way, stop and go somewhat, > average speed around 40 mph... > > thanx for the ideas... and let me know if you know any good > sources for the OX or ARB lockers... and which you'd recommend. > > Since I'll be running an NP219 Quadratrac unit I want to keep the > axles "open" for street use, also works better on ice and snow... > but still have lockers for serious wheeling... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:19:40 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Cherokees! put the picture up on wagoneers.com: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/76-Chero-Damian-Shaver/ john At 05:26 PM 9/13/2002 -0500, Damian Shaver wrote: >I recently got a hold of a 76 Cherokee from my grandmother. It needs a >little body work (rusted out quarter panels) and probably an engine >tune-up. Anyway, I have been looking for some parts and other just >information about these Cherokees and I came across your site. Have any >advice or recommendations on where to look for parts??? > >Any info you could provide would surely be helpful. I read some of your >posts on your message board about these model Cherokees, very interesting. > >Thanks, >Damian - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/decal.html $6 for each pair of stickers, PAYPAL gladly accepted and preferred: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=john%40wagoneers.com or send a check payable to John Meister, to: Meister Distribution & Services 14809 State Route 9 SE Snohomish, WA 98296 USA where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:29:11 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: forward tilt hood pictures For those that made it to the Ouray Picnic you couldn't help but notice this FSJ. In fact, I was so distracted by the hood I didn't even notice all the other modifications. :) Chris has sent me more detailed pictures of the hood setup and will send me more later. There's a couple of my pictures from the picnic in there as well... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/BODY/Forward-Tilt-HOOD/ #41 1978 Cherokee Chief W/T Modifications: Front tilt hood with Trans-AM hood scoop/ Ford Probe dashboard / Fresh air induction / P-T T-case / 35 X 12.50-BFG ATs / Air compressor (Electric & Engine driven) / MSD ignition / 88 Escort seats / Custom console / Custom winch mount / Custom rear bumper & Tire carrier / Pull-Rite trailer hitch / Maverick front side markers / Dual trans coolers ..go ahead and publish any of this info that you want. Chris & Sharon Enos later, john meister - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:55:54 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: the TH400 (for a QT) in SoCal??? Anyone down in SoCal know of an affordable tranny shop? Mike has a Cherokee he's trying to sell, or possibly keep. (he had it sold on ebay for $1800 and the buyer backed out... it's a nice looking rig... very tempting, but I'm trying to get rid of vehicles around here (so I can bring more home rofl...;) I have a TH400 that my son isn't going to use, but I've already committed to hauling a TF727 down to LA for Paul and Raul... (hey, that's funny, Raul and Paul)... Anyway, I'm not sure if I'll have time to separate the TH400 from the BW1339 and I'm not sure both will fit in the back with the luggage... There has to be a place that has affordable TH400's down there... please let us know... save my back... :) john At 10:25 PM 9/14/2002 -0700, Mike - G wrote: "Mike - G" >I looked into one place 12 miles south of me: > >"a Rebuilt Exchange Unit -- >that is the worst case scenario & is usually over $2000.00 . We can >usually >rebuilt yours cheaper...but we won't know which parts are broken or worn >out >until we take it out of your vehicle and that is called an Internal >Inspection - where we look but don't fix but give you a total quote - >and >that costs $500.00." > >2 grand for a rebuilt unit and swap. They want 500 bucks to open her up >and look at it, and tell me what's wrong with it. And depending on >what's wrong with it, could effect the cost of actually fixing it. It >seams to me if I just buy this one and have them put it in, that would >be the cheapest. (direct swap wouldn't cost anything u think). Maybe I >can get a deal on the swap, they can keep the broken one and they can >use it as a refurb, or somthing. > >Well, I had plans on wheeling that weekend (21st and 22nd), but since I >broke my only wheeling vehicle that runs (XJ) real bad this weekend (not >sure quite what yet, somthing inside the D35, could be shaft, could be >ring and pinion, gears, or somthing, but it clacked and roared a lot, >disconnected the rear driveshafts and drove home in front wheel drive >real slow, with tranny fluid dripping out of the back of the 231 t-case >through layers of duct tape) so that's a no go on the wheeling, I can >take my fiance's car up there and get it. > >I will call the place on Monday and see how much to put this one in. > >OR you could just buy the whole lot and put the TH400 in yourself! :) >You'd be a good candidate, you already got somthing to put in it to make >it work :), hehe. >My fiance wants me to sell it, I kinda want to keep it, but I don't >think I can afford it. But atleast if I decide to sell it, it'll be >running and I can actually get some money for it. (atleast my money >back) >---- >mike-g-at-mike-g.net . http://www.mike-g.net/ >KG6MDD >boom.boom.beep.beep >5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, >----- Original Message ----- >From: john >To: Mike - G >Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: the TH400 (for a QT) > > > At 07:29 AM 9/14/2002 -0700, Mike - G wrote: > > >I don't really need the BW, but I suppose it's a lot easier. Then >again > > >I have a part time kit on the one I've got, so it wouldn't work well > > >with the setup. > > > > > > The biggest problems at this point are: > > finding time to separate the BW from the TH400... > > making sure a TH400 will cohabitate with the TF727 in the >back > > > > my son wants to keep his T-18, so that means we can part with > > the TH400/QT. I'll take a look at it today and see how hard > > it'll be to split and if I can fit it in the back with other > > parts. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:11:24 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: 35" tires my son went down to Olympic 4x4 today and bought 35" tires for his '77 Cherokee... he's got a fair amount of lift on it and was running 31's. He put 'em on and turned the wheel and hit the front fender... out came the sawzall... :) Now he needs to get rid of the Offenhauser manifold so he has decent low-rpm power... http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/marks-77-cherokee/ john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:15:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:22:52 +1000 From: "Veijo Phillips" Subject: fsj: New 89 GW did somthing I'm not sure I should have yesterday and bought myself an 89 GW. Saw this truck about a year ago for sale and he wanted $18000AUD for it (around $9000USD), but finally I think his other half got the better of him and he sold it to me yesterday for $10000AUD (around $5000USD), an absoloute bargain for one of these in Australia. I find a really good one go for around $15000-$20000. >From what I can gather there were about 25 official GW's brought into Australia with another 10 or so as private imports. Well this truck is probably one the best GW's I've seen around. It's got 170000 kms (105000 miles) on the clock, body is almost perfect except for a few scratches and small a dent in the door. Leather is very good and it even came with a cd stacker. Unfortunatly it's a woodyless model (some of them were released like that in Australia). I'll get some photo's together and post them on the site with my other FSJ. ______________________________________________________ Veijo Phillips MinervaNET - The Complete Internet Service www.minerva.com.au veijo-at-minerva.com.au Ph: 61 3 94313955 Fax 61 3 94312599 Mobile: 0414469250 My 95 cherokee www.veijo.com/fsj ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:03:04 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: out with the Z, in the the XJ... never mind the 300CD... Waiting for my J10 to be done, need wheels... wife is getting cabin fever, wants her Jeep (WJ) back... :) I'm getting tired of driving her WJ anyway... put over 23,000 miles on it in just over a year! And heading down to LA at the end of the week! Found a nice '85 300CD this weekend, but even trading the 280Z and the son's '67 Fairlane I'd still have to come up with some cash... nice car, but I don't know if I'm really ready to deal with another Benz just yet... The climate control, the cruise control... no, it's not been long enough to forget having heat blowing out when I told it I wanted cold... :) So, while driving to Home Depot I spotted a beautiful '87 XJ, Jeep Cherokee... Pioneer model, pretty simple... at, ac... no power locks/windows, no cruise... but by golly... the rear window wiper works!!! cool. mega-miles, 238,000 and it feels like it... needs some minor TLC in the mechanical division, but priced right... Should get me to and from work for a while... still have a few extras for XJs left lying around even... :) Where did I put the AMSOIL air filter from the little wagoneer? :) http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/johns-87/ My Z should be coming out of the shop in a few days... will see if the lot with the Benz is interested in buying it, or maybe putting it on consignment at the least... need to get some cars out of here. :) http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/280Z/ BTW, talked to my friend who's working on my J10, he's taking it apart even more... going down to bare metal on the frame... it's going to be nice when he's done... http://wagoneers.com/superdawg So, at least with an extra Jeep if he doesn't get it done by first snow it won't become a crisis situation... Hey, anyone got a set of front spacers for this XJ, and a rear add-a-leaf... can you say lift "kit"? :) I found a pair of XJ rims with 30's on 'em up in the field in my Jeep parts pile... rofl... No, NO, NO... I'm not going to start working on this one... drive it, use it, sell it... no modifications... (yeah, right, we'll see... ;) It comes home tomorrow night... both my wife and daughter thought it looked nice... makes it easier to bring it home... now to get rid of that '88 Buick with the dead engine, the '54 Chevy pickup box and that pile of cedar railing... Hey, at least I don't have any cars sitting in the front yard up on concrete blocks... we're rather sophisticated here, we have those $5 jackstands... ;) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1747 **************************