From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 1 11:49:32 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, October 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1758 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: 1988 Jeep Cherokee 4.0 rings/bearings Re: fsj: studded tires for FSJs Re: fsj: Quadra-trac poll fsj: new fsj wire harnesses! fsj: 63 wag is alive! fsj: mud puddles anyone? fsj: Re: wildcats and les schwab tires... fsj: Re: studded tires fsj: Re: why fsj: RE: Re: why fsj: RE: Re: why fsj: RE: Re: why FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:25:53 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 1988 Jeep Cherokee 4.0 rings/bearings A: Unless you make them into little pieces, the 4.0L pistons will NOT fit out the bottom! (previous owner of a parts motor I had tried that at high RPM and they wouldn't fit either! ) Even with the crank out of the way, the webbing of the mains won't let them through. I tried to replace a piston in a 258 that way, w/o disturbing anything else, but it wouldn't come! In chassis rebuilds rarely last more than a year. Just too hard to get things clean enough! From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 1988 Jeep Cherokee 4.0 rings/bearings To answer your question, NO, do not attempt to replace the rings from the bottom. I'm reasonably sure if you drop the crank you'd be able to get the pistons out the bottom with some challenges, but the problem is you won't be able to see the ridge at the top of the cylinder, if there is one... you put in new rings and rev the motor, and break the rings... and quite possibly damage the block/cylinder walls... or just use a lot of oil... I suppose if you drop the crank and pull the head and ream it out you might be ok, and you'd also be able to pull the pistons out the top, which is recommended... remember the lower part of the cylinders won't be worn at all, so it'll be a tight fit going out the bottom anyway... I can't think of any reason why you couldn't do an in chassis ring & bearing replacement... but I'd make sure that engine compartment and axle are super clean... :) john At 09:43 AM 9/30/2002 -0700, John Sarcar wrote: >Hi, > >I have an 88 Cherokee with the 4.0 (unbelievably durable driveline!) and >200k. I am doing the rear main seal, and was wondering while I have it >apart if the rod bearings and fresh rings could be installed without >pulling the engine or trans? Sorry to bother you with this, but, I >haven't seen any other info other than your post at the Jeep forums some >time ago. Thanks in advance. The bores are clean, with only a bit of >crusty oil at the bottom of the bores. > >John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:28:08 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: studded tires for FSJs A: My oops! Wild Country, not Wildcat! (must've been thinking of someone,... err something else! ) From: "Stephen D. Thompson" Subject: Re: fsj: studded tires for FSJs > A: After my past experiences with tire studs, I won't run steel ones ever > again! As for Wildcats, is it just pickups or do they really spin and slide > WAAAYYY too easy? I couldn't stop fast on the hill going down from my place > with them on Black Jack or my Comanche (dry or wet!) I'm looking around for > better tires to put on before winter hits anyways. > From: "Stephen D. Thompson" > Subject: fsj: studded tires for FSJs > > As winter approaches here in the mountains, my thoughts turn to winter road > driving tires. My 83 Cherokee has Wildcats on 15 inch chrome rims. I am > likely to obtain some stock 87 rims mounted also at this time with Wildcats. > I was thinking of using those rims for studded tires. Anyone have some > suggestions? I checked the site and archives and did not locate a > discussion. > > Thanks in advance, > > Steve I'm not sure, but I think the tires off the parts jeep may have Wild Countrys rather than Wildcats. Good to know about the Wildcats though. - - -- Steve Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:34:12 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Quadra-trac poll A: I liked my original NP208, but it only can stick with 2.61 low range (same as most NP cases) I'm posting it for sale along with a HUGE list of parts pretty quick, because if I don't, I'll have to sell my NV241 OR (very expen$ive!) with 4:1 low range and I DON'T want to do that! (My bills from the trip to Ouray caught up with me. They short changed me on holiday pay at work, and are refusing me a pay raise after 2 years, so I'm looking for something better before this job costs me my marriage from unpayable bills!) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: quadratrac poll > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:17:17 -0000 > From: "Joe" >Subject: Quadra-trac poll >Or---- is the q-trac a good piece that I shouldn't >mess with? Iv'e heard from a few that it's junk but i'd rather hear >from people that actually know what their talking about. It will be >going in my glad. that sees country roads about 40% and 60% offroad. >What do you think???? FWIW, I'm installing an NP219 Quadratrac in my '83 J10 Stepside behind a 4.0L/AW4. Old Blue had an NP219 and never had trouble with it. My '99 WJ has a new Quadratrac II (NP247) and it's doing well too... so, having had some experience with the Quadratrac line I'd say you'll be fine with it. :) john meister ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:46:49 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: new fsj wire harnesses! A: Good timing! I've had several inquiries lately from people wanting harnesses! From: "Zack Heisey" Subject: New Wiring Harnesses for FSJs (long) Ladies and Gentlemen, For sometime now Brad F (Mel) and I (Zack), also known as Z&M Jeeps, have been working with a wiring harness manufacturer on making reproduction FSJ wiring harnesses from the original factory prints. I'm not talking about the wiring diagram in your service manual. I'm talking about a wiring print that says exactly how long each wire is, what color it is, what type of connector, where it all goes, everything. We have some initial layout and pricing for most of the harnesses. There are 4 main harnesses in an FSJ. The engine harness, the headlight harness, the dash harness, and the rear harness. The engine, headlight and rear harnesses are all pretty straight forward. We were able to find all of the suppliers for 95% of the connectors that Jeep originally used. Now, this is where we need your input. The 5% of the connectors we can't find are going to cost us a fortune to make new dies to make a few connectors. Example, the 90 degree rubber terminal that connects to the temp sending unit. That is not available. Likewise for a straight rubber connector like used to connect to the electric choke on a Ford carb. So the question becomes, would any one be interested in wiring harness that are not 100% snap in? There would be either some reusing of old connectors or substitution of a slightly different connector. This may not sound like much to you, but to the harness maker we are working with, if the '68 Camero harness doesn't have the proper rubber compound in the connector and pointed at the correct angle, he loses his mind. But I digress. Pricing. The engine harness should be around $85. The headlight harness maybe $45. The rear harness around $65. The dash harness is a different story. We have all the connectors to make it complete, but with all the wiring, it will be around $250. Would YOU be willing to spend around $400 to completely rewire your FSJ? Would you spend $85 on an engine harness, with upgraded alternator wires, to prevent FSJ BBQ? Applications: We are starting with model year 1979. Harness will be available for trucks, cheros and wags. While we realize that anyone who doesn't have a '79 is out in the cold, consider this. Anyone who has a pre '79 FSJ can upgrade to blade fuses (or a fuse box at all). Anyone use a presolite ignition can change to the motorcraft style or run an MSD. I would like to start a discussion here on the list to answer any questions you may have. You input is appreciated if we are to continue on this project. Thank you, Zack Heisey Z&M Jeep Parts and Literature http://home.supernet.com/~zmjeeps zmjeeps-at-desupernet.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:39:15 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: 63 wag is alive! hi folks, i hereby declare my 63 willys wagoneer is alive as of yesterday. and like all babies, it still has some growing up to do before it can get out of the house. it moved under it's own power. from in front of the jeep, i started it up (touched starter wire to battery) i moved into the cab, i kneeled down since there's no seat, i pressed the deep brake pedal (needs bleeding), turned the wheel end to end (thanks power-steering), straightened the wheels, shifted the floor-shifter into reverse, pulled on the throttle cable (pedal is broken) and moved it about three feet backwards. let off the throttle, shifted past neutral into drive, pulled the throttle cable and moved about three feet forwards again. put in park, got out, hit the kill switch (unplugged alternator). later, jeff so-cal This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:40:05 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: mud puddles anyone? http://www.minca.cz/suzuki/ http://www.virtualjeep.com/ Black Jack and other pics ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:48:12 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: wildcats and les schwab tires... no jim, you were not mistaken, wildcats and other les schwab tires do slide waaaayyy too easy. I've heard of a number of stories about steel studs coming out of the tires... a friend of mine was riding a motorcycle and one came out of the car ahead of him and cracked his helmet! they tear up the roads too. my old driveway had claw marks from Old Blue... not a big deal really... just unsightly. truckers like to blame the studs for road damage, but it's still the basic laws of physics... weight... if there isn't a good base for the road the road will rut and settle... :( scratches on the top don't cause that... however if the scratches are deep enough and water gets down in there and there is a freeze... but that usually results in patchy holes, but not the deep ruts... the kind that make you feel like you're on a disney ride... :) john At 06:15 AM 10/1/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: >From: "Jim B" >Subject: Re: fsj: studded tires for FSJs > >A: After my past experiences with tire studs, I won't run steel ones ever >again! As for Wildcats, is it just pickups or do they really spin and slide >WAAAYYY too easy? I couldn't stop fast on the hill going down from my place >with them on Black Jack or my Comanche (dry or wet!) I'm looking around for >better tires to put on before winter hits anyways. >From: "Stephen D. Thompson" >Subject: fsj: studded tires for FSJs > >As winter approaches here in the mountains, my thoughts turn to winter road >driving tires. My 83 Cherokee has Wildcats on 15 inch chrome rims. I am >likely to obtain some stock 87 rims mounted also at this time with Wildcats. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:50:48 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: studded tires I agree... they work great. I had 4 on my daughters car as well. problem is we only need 'em about 3 days out of the year... changing them when the weather changes isn't worth the trouble... :( running them on the road all the time isn't a good idea either, wears them and the roads out. I can see 'em in Colorado and the midwest for sure... now, if they'd only NOT salt the roads things would be good... ;) john At 06:15 AM 10/1/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:10:26 -0600 >From: "JC Jones" >Subject: RE: fsj: studded tires for FSJs > >I love studded snow tires. I always run 4 studded tires through the >winter on all my vehicles (4wd and 2wd alike). Here in Colorado the >roads get very icy and patchy - you just can't beat studded snow tires >on ice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:54:07 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: why the transmission in that thing has to be a pain to work though... I have this dream... daydream... one of the guys at work has an M3, it's pretty quick, great brakes... I want to build up a Quadratrac equipped big block FSJ that will smoke it... maybe a 455 with fuel injection and blower, four wheel disks, the works... project M3S - M3 slayer... ;) might get around to writing up a story about it... maybe someone will build it for me... :) It's totally doable... I'd love to blow the doors off the guy's bmw with an old FSJ... :) john At 06:15 AM 10/1/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: >From: "JC Jones" >Subject: fsj: RE: Re: why? > >I'm not getting rid of my Big Jeeps, but don't knock the "rocket powered >roller skate" until you drive something like it. I've been getting the >itch for another muscle car over the last year or two, then this little >Jeep fell in my lap. It's the best of both worlds - a Hot Rod and a >Jeep too. This little Jeep really moves, I blew the doors off a BMW Z3 >the other night - the Z3 driver was particularly upset after spending - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:57:57 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: why i recommend the following trick to make sure you always beat the M3 without a blown-big-block. you can even let the beemer pick the race time. you pick the road. then, the race! > -----Original Message----- > From: john [SMTP:john-at-wagoneers.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:54 AM > To: fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: why > > the transmission in that thing has to be a pain to > work though... > > I have this dream... daydream... one of the guys at work > has an M3, it's pretty quick, great brakes... I want to > build up a Quadratrac equipped big block FSJ that will smoke > it... maybe a 455 with fuel injection and blower, four wheel disks, > the works... project M3S - M3 slayer... ;) might get around > to writing up a story about it... maybe someone will build > it for me... :) It's totally doable... I'd love to > blow the doors off the guy's bmw with an old FSJ... :) > > john > > At 06:15 AM 10/1/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: > >From: "JC Jones" > >Subject: fsj: RE: Re: why? > > > >I'm not getting rid of my Big Jeeps, but don't knock the "rocket powered > >roller skate" until you drive something like it. I've been getting the > >itch for another muscle car over the last year or two, then this little > >Jeep fell in my lap. It's the best of both worlds - a Hot Rod and a > >Jeep too. This little Jeep really moves, I blew the doors off a BMW Z3 > >the other night - the Z3 driver was particularly upset after spending > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:19:30 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: RE: Re: why At 10:57 AM 10/1/2002 -0700, Faith Jeff wrote: >i recommend the following trick to make sure you always beat the M3 without >a blown-big-block. > >you can even let the beemer pick the race time. > >you pick the road. rofl... I'm getting the picture... :) but he'll probably whine about wanting pavement, so I envision a street capable FSJ... :) my XJ's and WJ handle quite well on the road with the right setup. my '88 xj with selectrac in full time mode and siped bfg's would out handle many front wheel drive "sports cars". one friend ended up sliding across two lanes while trying to outrun it... 4wd rules... :) john >then, the race! > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john [SMTP:john-at-wagoneers.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:54 AM > > To: fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Subject: fsj: Re: why > > > > the transmission in that thing has to be a pain to > > work though... > > > > I have this dream... daydream... one of the guys at work > > has an M3, it's pretty quick, great brakes... I want to > > build up a Quadratrac equipped big block FSJ that will smoke > > it... maybe a 455 with fuel injection and blower, four wheel disks, > > the works... project M3S - M3 slayer... ;) might get around > > to writing up a story about it... maybe someone will build > > it for me... :) It's totally doable... I'd love to > > blow the doors off the guy's bmw with an old FSJ... :) > > > > john > > > > At 06:15 AM 10/1/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: > > >From: "JC Jones" > > >Subject: fsj: RE: Re: why? > > > > > >I'm not getting rid of my Big Jeeps, but don't knock the "rocket powered > > >roller skate" until you drive something like it. I've been getting the > > >itch for another muscle car over the last year or two, then this little > > >Jeep fell in my lap. It's the best of both worlds - a Hot Rod and a > > >Jeep too. This little Jeep really moves, I blew the doors off a BMW Z3 > > >the other night - the Z3 driver was particularly upset after spending > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains >information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or >privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the >individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, >be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents >of this information is prohibited. > >If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify >the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all >electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:29:01 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: why i see what you're saying...i like the idea! i'd maybe take a caddi 500 over a 455 for that project. ...oh and a neon sign that reads 'eat jeep dust' that lights up in the back window. or maybe 'this old jeep beat your new bmw'. - -jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: john [SMTP:john-at-wagoneers.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:20 AM > To: Faith Jeff; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: Re: why > > At 10:57 AM 10/1/2002 -0700, Faith Jeff wrote: > >i recommend the following trick to make sure you always beat the M3 > without > >a blown-big-block. > > > >you can even let the beemer pick the race time. > > > >you pick the road. > > rofl... I'm getting the picture... :) > > but he'll probably whine about wanting pavement, so I envision > a street capable FSJ... :) my XJ's and WJ handle quite well > on the road with the right setup. my '88 xj with selectrac > in full time mode and siped bfg's would out handle many front > wheel drive "sports cars". one friend ended up sliding across > two lanes while trying to outrun it... 4wd rules... :) > > john > >then, the race! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: john [SMTP:john-at-wagoneers.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:54 AM > > > To: fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > > Subject: fsj: Re: why > > > > > > the transmission in that thing has to be a pain to > > > work though... > > > > > > I have this dream... daydream... one of the guys at work > > > has an M3, it's pretty quick, great brakes... I want to > > > build up a Quadratrac equipped big block FSJ that will smoke > > > it... maybe a 455 with fuel injection and blower, four wheel disks, > > > the works... project M3S - M3 slayer... ;) might get around > > > to writing up a story about it... maybe someone will build > > > it for me... :) It's totally doable... I'd love to > > > blow the doors off the guy's bmw with an old FSJ... :) > > > > > > john > > > > > > At 06:15 AM 10/1/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: > > > >From: "JC Jones" > > > >Subject: fsj: RE: Re: why? > > > > > > > >I'm not getting rid of my Big Jeeps, but don't knock the "rocket > powered > > > >roller skate" until you drive something like it. I've been getting > the > > > >itch for another muscle car over the last year or two, then this > little > > > >Jeep fell in my lap. It's the best of both worlds - a Hot Rod and a > > > >Jeep too. This little Jeep really moves, I blew the doors off a BMW > Z3 > > > >the other night - the Z3 driver was particularly upset after spending > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains > > >information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or > >privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the > >individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, > >be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the > contents > >of this information is prohibited. > > > >If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify > > >the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy > all > >electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1758 **************************