From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Nov 1 21:42:27 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, November 2 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1783 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: another idea... fsj: Re: another idea... Re: fsj: OD for NP Re: fsj: another idea... fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: RE: adventures in snohomish... fsj: Air Conditioning Conversion Re: fsj: Air Conditioning Conversion fsj: RE: adventures in snohomish... fsj: Re: SWEDISH ideas... fsj: '88 Grand Wagoneer Radio FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:26:45 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: another idea... At 06:02 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Robert Crawford wrote: >On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 06:17 , john wrote: >>...this being the idea of dropping a Mercedes Benz 3.0L Turbo Diesel >>into this '87 XJ type Jeep Cherokee. It has a high mileage (238,000) >>4.0L/Aisin Warner trans in it. >It seems that a GM diesel would be a better choice. Yes I know that a GM >diesel is not as exciting as a MB diesel. But, there are existing kits >for putting a small block GM engine in to the Jeep. Using a kit can make >the difference between a bolt-in project and a never-ending project. yes and no... a GM V8 Diesel might be nicer in many ways, but it'd be a much tighter fit, and probably cost more to obtain. The 6.2L and 6.5L engines are rather large, what are they 379 Cubic inches or something like that? And heavy... The MB 3.0L TD would be about the same length/width/height as the 4.0L. :) Now, a GM V8 in an FSJ might be the way to go, especially in a pre-80 unit since all you'd have to do is recase a TH400 to make it all work... hmmm... Golden Eagle Diesel... only problem with that is if I did a conversion I'd want to drive it all the time and the Golden Eagle is too rough to make a respectable daily driver... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:52:28 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: another idea... At 06:48 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Robert Crawford wrote: >On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 06:26 , john wrote: >>be a much tighter fit, and probably cost more to obtain. The 6.2L >>and 6.5L engines are rather large, what are they 379 Cubic inches or >>something like that? And heavy... The MB 3.0L TD would be about >>the same length/width/height as the 4.0L. :) > >I was thinking the smaller one, the V8 used in the autos. It was based on >the small block and even though the early ones had trouble the later years >were solid enough. I thought you were thinking about the Full Size >Jeep. For the smaller one the V6 used in the oldsmobile might work but I >have no idea how much power it put out. ah yes, the 5.7L and the 4.3L. If I could find a nice targetmaster 5.7L it would be ok. They fixed all the problems of the earlier design, roller-lifter cams, beefed up headbolts, redesigned gaskets and so on... they were decent engines. I don't know much about the 4.3L v6 so I'd take a wide berth around one. Problem is any that were good will have been driven to exhaustion by now... If I'm going through all the effort I'd rather use a proven engine like the 6.2/6.5 or the MBz TD. The Mercedes just has more class and would be so much better, even in an FSJ. Tommy in Sweden sent me a picture of an FSJ with a 240D mated with a volvo turbo... :) BTW, I did look at a new TD, 4 cyl, that's on ebay, but it's a bit much for my budget. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:39:10 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: OD for NP A: Not yet, but I have a design in my head for an under/over drive (just no money to build it!) Brabnod (sp?) has a setup for Dodge 4x4s that goes on the driveshaft, but my idea would go between the trans and case with maybe 5" extra length (or less) That's why I scooped the NV241 Rock Ready case (just like a super duty NP208, but with 4:1 low range) so I can keep reasonable axle gears (4.11 to go with -at-40" tires) and the O/D in the AW4 trans will make up the difference. Since they can handle over 300 HP out of the factory, it's the logical course! From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: OD for NP Anyone know if there is an overdrive kit for the NP219,228,229,231 transfer cases? - - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:46:01 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: another idea... A: An adapter to mate the MB motor to a diesel version of the AW4 is what I would go with. I was nearly tempted by a customer that wanted to sell his rolled MB TD300, but didn't want to get my wife in an uproar! (it sold so fast that I didn't get a chance to call John about it) The nice thing about Nissan diesels is parts can be had anywhere from the North Pole to nearly the South Pole! From: john Subject: fsj: another idea... ...alright, it's already been determined I'm out of control, and that's quite alright, I'll accept that fact... but with at least 25 minutes commuting to work each way I've got way too much time to think about stuff like this... ...this being the idea of dropping a Mercedes Benz 3.0L Turbo Diesel into this '87 XJ type Jeep Cherokee. It has a high mileage (238,000) 4.0L/Aisin Warner trans in it. (It's doing fine, but as soon as SuperDawg is back on his feet the XJ will either be sold or turned into a project... ;) I'm pretty sure the Jeep 242/4.0L engine is longer then the Mercedes 5 cylinder, so that shouldn't be an issue. I don't think the Aisin Warner trans will work with the MBZ Diesel (and no, I'm not interested in using a Nissan Diesel Jim. ;). That means I'll probably have to run a divorced transfer case behind the Mercedes Automatic. Not a big deal, and probably allow me to drop in whatever xfr case I want, just have to make an output / input shaft to mate up... maybe... Not sure if I'll have enough room underneath to hook it all up... Anybody have the dimensions of the 5 cylinder 3.0L TD and the MBz trans? This won't happen until after SuperDawg is done and I can find a good TD/trans... Usually if you find a cheap used Mercedes Diesel it's motor is worse off then the body/interior... :( Just another crazy idea... hey, where would we be if people like me didn't come up with them anyway? We'd probably be sitting on the porch by candlelight picking corn out of our teeth and griping about the high cost of horseshoes... I won't even bring up the idea of the 6.5L Turbo Diesel for the Golden Eagle at this point... shoot, still haven't gotten the 4.0L into SuperDawg finished yet... :) Hey, if you have a bunch of parts and lack ideas, just send the list and I'll dream something up for ya! rofl... and it might even include Pinto taillights... ;) john - - ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:10:40 -0800 From: "Paul and Megan Kershner" Subject: fsj: RE: adventures in snohomish... Of course we ALL new this was going to happen. Sometime before it goes on eBay, he'll change his mind again. Just for this occasion, I came up with new e-speak: LFLS - like father, like son... ROFL Paul Kershner - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:18 PM To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: fsj: adventures in snohomish... my son decided that he doesn't want to keep the '62 Galaxy now, wants to sell it and put the money into his Cherokee... rofl... I guess he has an issue with the gas mileage of a built 460. :) So, we're going to paint it all one color, basically a good primer, ready for minor work before a good paint job, fix up a few things and then put it on ebay. He's into it about $3,500 at this point. Saturday I'll be dragging home the '75 J10 and pulling the rear axle, cutting off the front part of the frame & axle, having the Golden Eagle brought over and finishing up a few touches on my '87 XJ Cherokee. (I just had the front end aligned and it's doing great... only thing left to do on it is fix the driver's seat and wire up the fog lights! :) Hope the weather holds out through the weekend so we can get these projects done in "dry" weather... :) I ordered the 4.09 gear set for SuperDawg's front axle, got prices on ARB and such... very pricey... going to see if Ox Locker comes out with their electric locker setup for Dana 44s. Anyone interested in a nice straight '62 Galaxy 500 2dr with a built 460 and a new C6 transmission... let me know... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/FOTOS/CARS/1962-Galaxy/ fwiw, the fender has already been sanded and primed/sealed... this is how it came to us... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:25:30 -0500 From: "Frazier Phillips" Subject: fsj: Air Conditioning Conversion I have looked for a thread on converting R12 to R134. I have a 86 GW and I can not afford to refill each year with R12. Is there a link on this subject? I have been told that I need a dryer, compressor, and the two hoses that go to the compressor. I have an estimate, however, I believe I can replace these items and then get the system pumped down and service. Hopefully, this will save me some money. Is there a good source to purchase these items? I know of Advance Auto Parts and Discount Auto. Thanks, for any help. Frazier [demime 0.99c.7 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:43:14 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Air Conditioning Conversion "Frazier Phillips" said: {- I have looked for a thread on converting R12 to R134. I have a 86 GW and I {- can not afford to refill each year with R12. {- Is there a link on this subject? {- I have been told that I need a dryer, compressor, and the two hoses that go {- to the compressor. I have an estimate, however, I believe I can replace {- these items and then get the system pumped down and service. Hopefully, this {- will save me some money. {- Is there a good source to purchase these items? {- I know of Advance Auto Parts and Discount Auto. My local shop did the conversion for me for $300. Apparently does need a new dryer, and maybe hoses, but I think the compressor stays the same. A lot of the major stuff can now be re-used and converted (which makes it so much cheaper; used to cost $800-1000 to convert) because (as I understand it) they now have oils they can use the are compatible with the old oils and seals, so you don't have to replace everything. Not nearly as much work or as many new expensive parts as it used to be. So I have basically no knowledge on specific parts or how to do it, but it's relatively cheap now. $300 for a one-time conversion is very reasonable, IMO. A single charge of the old stuff will cost you at least that, probably more, and you'll have a hard time finding someone to do it, and you often have to have your whole system checked and certified that it doesn't have any leaks -- they basically decided if you need a re-charge, there must be a leak somewhere, and you have to have that certified as "it's been fixed". Obviously, after the one-time $300 charge, you're good to go -- back to cheap refills if and when you need them. Mine was converted, IIRC, in late spring of 2001, and it's been great. Seems just a little weaker to me than the old one when it was fully charged, but the old system really pumped out the cold. They actually claim the new stuff can achieve a few degrees colder (where you measure the 40deg or whatever in the vents). Anyway, it's certainly been adequate, no problems. I'd definitely recommend a $300-or-less conversion instead of an old R12 recharge (due to cost and hassle). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:35:26 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: RE: adventures in snohomish... At 06:10 AM 11/1/2002 -0800, Paul and Megan Kershner wrote: >Of course we ALL new this was going to happen. Sometime before it goes >on eBay, he'll change his mind again. Just for this occasion, I came up >with new e-speak: LFLS - like father, like son... ROFL >Paul Kershner you won't believe it... no, wait, you will believe it... he called from work, around 11pm... and said, wait, wait, don't sell it dad, I'll regret it... :) rofl... BTW, I still need to get more parts off the deer slayer... give me a jingle or wander by on Saturday, we'll be shuffling FSJs around... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:46:40 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: SWEDISH ideas... http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SWEDISH-FSJ/tommy-98-2-240td.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SWEDISH-FSJ/tommy-98-1.jpg At 10:40 AM 11/1/2002 -0500, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > Tommy in Sweden sent > > me a picture of an FSJ with a 240D mated with a volvo turbo... :) > >Now THAT I'd like to see! Did you post those pics on your site >somewhere?!?! Tell us more about these volvo turbos to attach to our >240D's?? >Jim/ >-- >Jim Hoffman >Oconomowoc WI >'83 240D > >Antique Tractors: >'39 Allis Model B >'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:07:09 -0500 From: "William Gillis" Subject: fsj: '88 Grand Wagoneer Radio I am trying to install the original factory radio in my '88 GW. The old harness was discarded when am aftermarket radio was installed. I have a Mopar replacement harness that plus perfectly into the old radio, but the wire colors do not match the harness in the car. There is a legend on the radio itself that tells what all of the pins on the radio are for. Can anyone tell me what colors on the original harness go with those pins? There are 13 wires in the harness. Something like: 1. Orange/Black 2. Green/White would be very helpful! ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1783 **************************