From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Nov 22 22:20:37 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, November 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1798 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: climb hill => odor (90 GW) Re: fsj: Re: fsj glass fsj: Re: a few questions fsj: Re: Your tech section photo fsj: Fwd: What would Jesus drive? fsj: Centralia in the news! :) fsj: Re: 90GW Needs New Home FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:45:05 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: climb hill => odor (90 GW) A: Sounds like exhaust leak from the y pipe (due to sloppy mounts) or blow by from a poorly kept up PCV system. From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: climb hill => odor (90 GW) hi all, my 90 GW gets a little smelly when i climb long big hills. engine coolant temp goes up a little, but stays way below 200 according to the gauge. the smell goes away, but takes a few minutes. it does not seem to be a problem so far... anybody have ideas or experience with this? thanks, jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:58:39 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: fsj glass At 10:20 PM 11/20/2002 -0600, JeepNut wrote: >"not hard, not as easy as the windshield".... this does not compute... LOL. >I thought replacing a windshield was a female dog? ;-) nah, even Jim Blair and I can do it... ;) >I know I had to take mine back half a dozen times or more, leaked all >over, then on the top on one side, bottom of the other, then top both >sides, etc., etc., till they finally told me to take it somewhere else and >they would pay for it. 6 months of pure aggrivation. That was Safelite >Auto Glass, a national chain. the windshield and the gasket aren't hard, but man oh man is that chrome trim a royal pain.... >I went through 2 other local shops before I found one that did it right. >The first time they worked on it. >Jack Morris Auto Glass in Memphis/Raleigh area. >I've got access to a couple of parts Wagoneer's right now, but I have to >pay for what I pick. If getting the glass out is really a trick, I'll >probably break the silly thing either taking it out or putting it in. It'd >just be my luck. it's a piece of cake, just start in one corner and start pushing the gasket out, have someone outside hold the glass... but I did it myself with no one helping me... >What happens at the edges? Does it press into a rubber gasket and seal >over itself some how? It doesn't look like the glass is siliconed into >place. I seems to be under a rubber lip. I guess yep, it has a lip that sits over the metal edge, just work the gasket out... >I'll find out more about how the glass mounts when I get my hands on the >truck. It's still up in KY waiting a windshield install and I've only >seen pictures of it. I was REALLY hoping to be able to go to the parts >yard and pull my own glass then install it myself to save the most money >possible. The windshield is running something like $265... whee! Thats >big money to a poor guy... LOL... I have a wholesale source for those windshields, last one I bought was three years ago for SuperDawg and it was $100 or so... haven't checked lately... john >I really need to get into this so I can replace it myself. > JeepNut > > > >john wrote: > >>At 02:44 AM 11/20/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: >> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:13:19 -0600 >>>From: JeepNut >>>Subject: fsj: any glass experts? >>> >>>Anyone replaced a quarter panel rear glass? >> >> >> >>not hard, not as easy as the windshield... but >>you work the gasket off from the inside, pushing >>it out... carefully... I might have a piece of glass >>from the side... not sure, you willing to pay >>shipping for a piece of plywood???? ;) >> >>you should check with a glass shop FIRST. It may >>not be as bad as you think... ;) >> >>john >> >>>Any sites for guidance? >>>Advice, tips, tricks, handy tools to have list? >>> Thanks! >>> JeepNut >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------ >'87 Street Comanche #24/100 >'88 Grand Wagoneer >'92 Cherokee > ...and they say there's only one... >------------------------------------------------------------ >Registered Linux User #287453 > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:59:46 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: a few questions send answers to: (until they can get on the list... ;) "Cindy Toothman" john At 08:29 PM 11/20/2002 -0500, Cindy Toothman wrote: came across your FSJ webpage and was tickled! Now my husband finally has a place to go to discuss things about our 1985 Jeep Grand Wagoneer that your average Joe just doesn't have a clue about! I do have a quick question - where is the oil pressure sending unit on this thing? Hubby says oil gauge pegs out at 80 - Jeep runs fine and he is having a serious alternator problem. Could this be an electrical thing or is it actually oil pressure? Also, second alternator in as many years and the last time it went out it fried the electrical system - the clock hasn't been the same since! Any suggestions about how to track down and/or fix the electrical surges? Anyway, glad to know there's someone out there as in to the Jeep thing as my hubby - he will be tickled. Thanks for any and all help you can lend! Bob/Cindy Toothman Asheville, NC Have a great day!! Cindy T ====================================================================================== The "FOUR" List Rules: 1) NO flames. 2) NO foul language. 3) keep it Family oriented. 4) keep the subject list oriented. ====================================================================================== john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ====================================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:55:51 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Your tech section photo that's the Marschal foglamp symbol... it came on the GWs... stock item... many of the lamps have it worn off... :) john At 07:11 PM 11/21/2002 -0800, Enrique Loveshackle wrote: >Howdy John, > > Enjoy being a lurker on the cfsja list. Thanks for all your input. > > You have a picture in your tech section on wiring: > >http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Wiring/FSJ-foglamp.jpg > > I recently bought an '88 Grand Wagoneer with this emblem on the >foglamps. It doesn't look stock, so I'm assuming somebody put this on, >but then I find an exact photo of it on your site. What's going on? >Do I have this exact FSJ, or is this a mass-produced thing? Thanks for >any reply in advance! > >Enrique >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:06:04 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Fwd: What would Jesus drive? Leave it to the liberals to come up with something like this. :) Gag me with a spoon. :) The National Council of "whose" Church? Not mine or anyone else's that holds the Bible dear. I'm sure Jesus would have driven what any other carpenter or tradesman would have driven knowing full well that the earth is not something to be worshipped and cherished. Jesus knew that he'd be creating a new one soon enough. :) So I figure he'd have driven a pickup or a Jeep Wagoneer. And since he wasn't poor he wouldn't have been worried about the fuel economy too much either. :) john Subject: What would Jesus drive? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:28:36 -0800 http://money.cnn.com/2002/11/20/news/companies/cars/index.htm 'Jesus,' government eye SUVs Religious, environmental coalition begins campaign as government considers new rules. November 20, 2002: 4:03 PM EST RALEIGH, N.C. (CNN) - Church and state are getting involved in the gas-guzzling SUV debate. A coalition of religious and environmental groups is launching a "What Would Jesus Drive?" campaign Wednesday, hoping to get people to switch to more fuel-efficient cars. The move comes as the Bush administration reportedly considers a proposal to increase fuel efficiency standards for SUVs and light trucks. According to the Wall Street Journal, the proposal, currently at an early draft stage, is likely to draw intense opposition from car manufacturers. The religious and environmental campaign is likely to draw more immediate attention, however. The group plans a news conference Wednesday in Detroit. Members hope to meet with the Big Three automakers and the United Auto Workers union. Car buyers in four states will soon hear an advertised appeal to their environmental conscience: "What would Jesus drive?'' It's a joint effort of the National Council of Churches and the Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life. The group is planning television advertising in North Carolina, Iowa, Indiana and Missouri to urge consumers to park their sport/utility vehicles -- claiming that Jesus would prefer a cleaner vehicle. Meanwhile, top regulatory officials at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration are considering a proposal to increase fuel efficiency standards by half a mile per gallon a year, starting in 2005. The overall increase would add up to 1.5 miles a gallon by 2007, according to the Journal. Bush administration officials, contending with foreign oil dependency issues, are believed to be somewhat sympathetic to the proposal, although industry concerns about the new standards may sway the final requirement. Top of page - -- Associated Press contributed to this story. ======================================================================== John Meister Sr. CAD Sys Admin ======================================================================== - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:26:37 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Centralia in the news! :) Hey, SuperDawg is visiting in Centralia... :) http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/11/21/31403.shtml :) john - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- An article in the Seattle Washington Post-Intelligencer dealt with accidental deaths caused by physicians (based on research by Laura Key) Number of physicians in the US - 700,000 Accidental deaths caused /year - 120,000 Accidental deaths/physician = 0.171 based on readily available statistics found on the internet: Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000 Number of accidental gun deaths/year (all age groups) = 1,500 Accidental deaths/gun owner = 0.0000188 THEREFORE, one may derive the following: That Doctors are approximately 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Always remember what Mark Twain said about statistics... :) - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/History/GunControl-the-proven-record.html - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- It's about Freedom... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:54:55 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 90GW Needs New Home so how low will the price go? how long will she wait for me to drive it home? how long will I be in trouble with my wife? how long before my son attacks it with a sawzall and installs his 36" tires? how long before it grows mold? how long before I lament it's fuel economy and want to stick a Diesel in it? how long before I quit typing and email this message? ;) john At 04:36 AM 11/22/2002 -0500, B. C. wrote: >john wrote: >>tempting... very, very tempting... but I'm so busy >>now I can't take on another project... > >That is the best part about this project. You would have to do >nothing. I would coordinate the repairs, and by the time you arrive all >you would have to do is drive your new Jeep home, and enjoy it. The >removed fuel tank, and brake line are the only problems we have with this >rig. It is ready to drive beyond that point. Think of it as almost like >buying from the Wagonmaster. You show up, hand over the cash, and >go. Are you still sure you want to pass with this latest >thought? Remember we are almost in a name your own price situation. No >reasonable offers refused. > > >>I may have to >>go to PA again to teach another class... not sure when... >>john >> >>At 10:36 AM 11/21/2002 -0500, B. C. wrote: >> >>>john wrote: >>> >>>>could you email me the details again? >>> >>>See inset below this message for the original posting. >>> >>>>does she have the fuel tank? would you be able >>>>to help me piece this thing together to drive home??? >>> >>>We would need to get the frame repair get welded in place. Not a >>>problem I have a shop that can do that. Then we would have to have the >>>rear brake line replaced, and the fuel tank reinstalled. The dealer >>>already has ordered the brake line, and a new coffin for the fuel tank, >>>and they have them in the parts department. They just need somebody to >>>pay for the stuff, and get it out of there. >>> >>> >>>>don't get too serious, I'm not sure I have the bandwidth >>>>to put this together... hmmm... I could drive it back over >>>>the christmas break... what am I going to do with another jeep??? >>> >>> >>>Cut a hole in the roof, and add a sun-roof; PRESTO Old Blue II! >>> >>>>pray for me... ;) >>> >>>Always happy to do that. >>> >>>>john >>>>Greetings To The FSJ World! >>> >>> >>>As the SW OH FSJ Chapter Chairman I get some unusual requests from >>>people who own FSJ's. I have been approached by a young lady who has >>>asked me to broker the sale of her 90 Grand Wagoneer. For the right >>>person this will be a real find. >>> >>>- 1990 Grand Wagoneer >>>- exterior blue with woody trim >>>- beige interior - No John it does not have a sun roof. >>>- AMC 360, 727 TF Trany, Selec-Trac 4X4 >>>- Location Dayton, OH >>> >>>This is the FSJ that has been driven by the sweet, little school teacher >>>that you dream about. The vehicle has only been serviced at the dealer >>>since she purchased it in 97 to replace her 79 Cherokee. >>>Yes being in OH it has some slight surface rust on the rear quarter >>>panels, but it has not rusted through, and they are very solid. >>> >>>If this FSJ came down with the sniffles it went to the dealer >>>immediately for service. I have the complete service history since 97 >>>available. LEt me tell you some strange things have been replaced. >>>i. e. Driver's seat power seat control, & rear window wiper switch are >>>just a couple of examples of the meticulous care this FSJ has had. >>> >>>Why is it being sold? The dealer told the lady it was unsafe, and she >>>needed a new Jeep. Here is the story. She took it in this past week, >>>because the brake system warning light was coming on. Dealer determined >>>that the rear brake line had rusted out next to the fuel tank. The >>>dealer removed the fuel tank and said, "we can not put this tank up >>>here; this frame rail has rust on it." I have seen the frame rail. It >>>is solid, but does have some pin holes in it. This can easily be fixed >>>with the Dr. Rust kit that I can supply you with for $150; since I am >>>the Ohio factory rep for these kits. The nice part about the kit is >>>that the mounts for the fuel tank coffin actually stand off the tank >>>several inches from the frame rail so that the mud, and salt can not >>>became trapped between the coffin, and frame. >>> >>>LEt's talk about the overall condition of this Jeep. The clock is >>>currently showing 99000, but the engine was replaced around 40000 miles >>>back under the original factory warranty. The carburetor has had a >>>great deal of work on it recently. The brakes have been replaced >>>recently. It has had a new front tie rod this past summer. >>>The clear coat is in nice shape on the wheels, and they all have their >>>original center caps in place. The trany has been rebuilt, and had its >>>fluid changed yearly. All of the toys appear to work, including >>>the rear window, and the rear wiper. The power door locks could all >>>stand to be lubricated. The rear cargo carpeting is worn badly from a >>>lot of hauling. I think she has a small amount of acreage in the >>>country so the FSJ has been used for many a trip to the local Home depot. >>> >>>All of this can be yours for $3,500.00! What a steal! The parts alone >>>are worth this much. Give me a call at 937-236-6224 x302 with any >>>questions, or to arrange a viewing of this fine FSJ. Don't let this one >>>pass you by! >>> >>>----- John the lady is at the point where any reasonable offer would get >>>you the rig. >>> >>> >>>Until The Next Dimension, >>>Admiral "Coluch." >>>Starfleet Headquarters >>>Ohio Post >>>END TRANSMISSION.................................... >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >-- >Until The Next Dimension, >Admiral "Coluch." >Starfleet Headquarters >Ohio Post >END TRANSMISSION.................................... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1798 **************************