From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jun 8 22:43:19 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, June 8 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1945 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: Rear spring help fsj: Re: FW: Late GW Starter Relay fsj: Re: Problems with AMC BID Ignition and AMC part number question & J4000 parts Fwd: fsj: closed knuckle question fsj: Re: Aimino's old cars fsj: useful 4.0/4.2L info fsj: Re: fwd: FSJ Magazine Gets Super-Sized Re: fsj: Re: Rear spring help Re: fsj: Re: Rear spring help fsj: "new" XJ... "old" one for sale, fleet update... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:31:02 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Rear spring help A: If the main leaf from the front pack is long enough to go shackle to shackle (same overall length as the rear main leaf and the alignment hole will still work) then yes, you will still get a significant boost w/o sacrificing too much ride. (someone on another list suggested just buying new main leaves, and using the old ones for #2 position, so all you do is replace the centering pin) From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Rear spring help Replying to a multitude of posts... So what you're saying is that even if I'm using a leaf from a set of old and possibly saggy springs, by using a leaf from the front pack, which would have had a greater spring rate anyway, I can still boost the rear a little bit? I'm only looking for an inch or two. I've used an abrasive blade in a circular saw with great success. Years ago I had a pickup bed that I was replacing due to rust. When I was done with it I cut it lengthwise into 3 pieces and took it to the dump in the new bed. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: FW: Late GW Starter Relay On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->Hi John. >--> >-->If you think this is useful, please post it on your server. >--> >-->- Landon http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Wiring/GW-Starter-wiring.jpg >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: Tesar Landon-r16884 >-->Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:07 PM >-->To: 'tcharvey-at-duo-county.com' >-->Subject: FW: Late GW Starter Relay >--> >--> >-->Hi TC. >--> >-->I will look at it some more and try to figure it out. >--> >-->Meanwhile, here is the JPG >--> >-->- Landon >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: Landon and Kim Tesar [mailto:lktesar-at-io.com] >-->Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:20 AM >-->To: jeff.faith-at-rxsol.com; Tesar Landon-r16884 >-->Subject: Late GW Starter Relay >--> >--> >-->Jeff, a jpeg file is enclosed, but just in case you can't read it, I >-->will describe w/ text: >--> >-->stand on the passenger side of the jeep. >--> >-->The big battery connector on the relay is closest to you. This one gets >-->the Small Battery Lead, Alternator Lead(maybe I added that) and 4 >-->Fusible links on 3 connectors. I noted that the colors changed on the >-->two sides of the fusible links so I didn't worry about which ones they are. >--> >-->To the right of the big battery connecter is an angled terminal. It gets >-->a 'Grassy' green with white stripe wire. >--> >-->In the middle of the relay is a Lime green wired connector. This wire >-->goes to the terminal on the starter, so is the signal to the starter. >--> >-->The terminal at 'top left' looking from the passenger side, gets a Black >-->w/ White Stripe connector wire. >--> >-->The terminal at top right, which is slightly closer to you than the one >-->at top left, gets a Dark Green connector wire. >--> >-->Hope this is helpful and she starts on the first try. I've never quite >-->figured out what Haynes is trying to say here either. >--> >-->- Landon >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:53:09 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Re: Problems with AMC BID Ignition and AMC part number question & J4000 parts A: If you are going over to HEI system, then I suggest getting the Zack HEIsey unit from ZMJeeps, as it's built by a fellow FSJ'er and FSJ-list member, plus I haven't heard of any probs with the unit's people have bought so far. Haven't done it myself (but then I'm not running a V8. I'm just parting a '73 360 4 bbl to put my 4.0L in it's place with the TH400 trans) I have a NOS flexplate from Jeep with the numbers 6.5 23 - 5351819 on the packaging. I'm looking at putting an AMC 6 cyl into my '73 J4000 (in place of the 360 that stopped turning due to PO losing all the oil from the plastic oil gauge line) and it has the unipattern TH400 (the one with the 2" AMC adapter ring) and quadratrac. I would like to know if anyone has done this conversion, or knows if this flexplate will work with the Uni-pattern TH400 and spacer from the 360. If not, then I'll be selling trans and the rebuilt Borg Warner Quadratrac (along with the front Dana 44 closed knuckle and rear Dana 60-2 5 lug axles I've posted with 3.73 gears) I will then rebuild another AMC TH400 (my second attempt. Last time was 20+ years ago, and I've redone a couple dozen 727/904s between then and now) and put the Chev TH400 output shaft and a NP208C (passenger's side drop) into my truck. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:55:36 EDT From: JPhil78888-at-aol.com Subject: Fwd: fsj: closed knuckle question Unfortunately, working on my '73 J4000 isn't at the top of my priority list. According to my wife, working on the house is. Anyway, I got tired of trying to work around the closed knuckle Dana 44 of my front axle and I am part way through a front axle conversion. (chevy blazer axle + Bronco knuckles out) You may need to consider a similar axle conversion to get the open knuckles which are much easier to convert to different lug configurations. Oh, I also still have the old closed knuckle axle (minus the gears) if you are interested. (Chicago suburbs) Later, Jamie Phillips Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa03.mx.aol.com (rly-xa03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.72]) by air-xa03.mail.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILINXA32-358f3edce6ed50; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:20:30 -0400 Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by rly-xa03.mx.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXA34-5e3edce6d61df; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:20:06 -0400 Received: from majordomo by krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19NGO9-00066U-CH for fsj-out-at-digest.net; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 18:20:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [205.187.134.201] X-Originating-Email: [carnuck-at-hotmail.com] From: "Jim B" To: "me" Subject: fsj: closed knuckle question Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:21:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 18:19:25.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA181BF0:01C329FC] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.99c.7 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jim B" X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Anyone know if there were 8 lug closed knuckle set ups that would bolt onto the '73 J4000 front axle in place of the 5 lug drum setup? I already have an 8 lug Dana 60 rear with the same ratio as the front, and would like to keep the same gearing if possible. Also, what's the radius difference of steering between say my '73 J4000 and my '84 J10? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:47:36 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Aimino's old cars I'll share this with the fsj list to see if anyone will fess up. ;) john At 10:39 PM 6/7/2003 -0400, Michael Aimino wrote: >BTW, any list members from Colorado? I was driving my new diesel ('87 >GMC) back from Hartford, CT and I saw a gentlman in an old Jeep >Wagoneer towing a gold 300SD on a trailer. At first, I thought John >had gone on a covert op to fetch a Benz, but then I saw the Colorado >plates on the trailer and Jeep. > >So, is he one of us? If not, he should be. CT is a long way from CO >to go for a Benz. A true fanatic. > >Mike >'82 300SD - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:55:49 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: useful 4.0/4.2L info Was looking for info on the AW4 and Jim Blair shared this link with me... engine and other data up there as well... http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/strokers/files/ btw, found a nice clean '91 XJ Laredo... think I'm going to sell my '87 XJ. It's a plain simple one, manual windows, NP231, AW4, etc... clean, reliable... solid, 3" lift... I may swap the 31's from the '87 and put 'em on the '91. The '91 has new BFG AT KO's, but they are noisier then my Michelins... Anyway, if any one is looking for a nice clean XJ let me know, it's got 243,000 miles on it, but I had the rear main replaced and it doesn't use oil, gets 16 to 17 mpg in town and everything works... will also be selling the '80 300CD. john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:51:52 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Re: fwd: FSJ Magazine Gets Super-Sized A: Oh! That means if mine isn't here in time, I can scoot down to BJs and get another copy! (they're about 1/2 hour's drive from me in clear traffic) Yes, and if you don't get your subscription, BJ's Off-Road will have 10 or 15 issues on hand to sell for $5 each. Brent BJ's Off-Road 253.265.6678 www.bjsoffroad.com - --- Jim B wrote: > In case anyone is interested: > Mike Abber wrote: > Hi All > > Just a short note to make sure you all have your > subscriptions to FSJ > Magazine up to date because the the June 2003 issue > (due out in the mail in > 2 weeks) has been SUPER-SIZED. > > That's right. Thanks to our advertisers, we have > been able to upgrade the > magazine. That means more content, more color > pages, and an overall better > magazine. > > For $18.00/year, you get 4 issues of Full Size Jeep > Magazine - the only > magazine dedicated to the Big Jeeps. > > Check out our site for more info. > > Mike Abber > Full Size Jeep Magazine Editorial Director > www.FSJMagazine.com > > "Celebrating Ownership of Full Size Jeeps" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:50:33 -0400 From: "George Milam" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Rear spring help I was just quoted $165.00 each for new rear spring packs. Does this sound like a good price? George '89GWag - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim B" To: "local Jeep list" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Rear spring help > A: If the main leaf from the front pack is long enough to go shackle to > shackle (same overall length as the rear main leaf and the alignment hole will > still work) then yes, you will still get a significant boost w/o sacrificing > too much ride. (someone on another list suggested just buying new main leaves, > and using the old ones for #2 position, so all you do is replace the centering > pin) > > From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com > Subject: fsj: Re: Rear spring help > > Replying to a multitude of posts... > > So what you're saying is that even if I'm using a leaf from a set of old and > possibly saggy springs, by using a leaf from the front pack, which would have > had a greater spring rate anyway, I can still boost the rear a little bit? > I'm only looking for an inch or two. > > I've used an abrasive blade in a circular saw with great success. Years ago > I had a pickup bed that I was replacing due to rust. When I was done with it > I cut it lengthwise into 3 pieces and took it to the dump in the new bed. > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 09:43:34 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Rear spring help sounds excellent!!! where are you located? if they can build these custom I can spec a soft ride with a mild lift... :) (lots of thin leaves with arch will get you a nice supple ride, articulation and load carrying capability) john At 08:50 AM 6/8/2003 -0400, George Milam wrote: >I was just quoted $165.00 each for new rear spring packs. Does this sound >like a good price? > >George >'89GWag >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim B" >To: "local Jeep list" >Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 2:31 PM >Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Rear spring help > > > > A: If the main leaf from the front pack is long enough to go shackle to > > shackle (same overall length as the rear main leaf and the alignment hole >will > > still work) then yes, you will still get a significant boost w/o >sacrificing > > too much ride. (someone on another list suggested just buying new main >leaves, > > and using the old ones for #2 position, so all you do is replace the >centering > > pin) > > > > From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com > > Subject: fsj: Re: Rear spring help > > > > Replying to a multitude of posts... > > > > So what you're saying is that even if I'm using a leaf from a set of old >and > > possibly saggy springs, by using a leaf from the front pack, which would >have > > had a greater spring rate anyway, I can still boost the rear a little bit? > > I'm only looking for an inch or two. > > > > I've used an abrasive blade in a circular saw with great success. Years >ago > > I had a pickup bed that I was replacing due to rust. When I was done with >it > > I cut it lengthwise into 3 pieces and took it to the dump in the new bed. > > > > Ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 13:47:14 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: "new" XJ... "old" one for sale, fleet update... Just bought a '91 Laredo, nice... white... OME lift, very clean, power windows/locks... Selling my '87 Cherokee Pioneer. Gold w/ tan interior. Brushguard, NEW 30x9.5 BFG AT KOs, 3" lift, adjustable track bar, CB setup, new rear main seal, fresh tune, 16 to 17mpg, runs great, 2" receiver hitch, same size 30x9.5" spare even! New muffler. Good brakes. Everything works, even the rear wiper! Pix at: http://wagoneers.com/ebay/87-XJ (some of the '91, the '87 and my son's '89) Researching the price on the '87 Cherokee with 243,000 miles I found the following: Kelly Blue book - $3,980 Edmunds - $2,883 (estimated, they don't go back to '87) NADA - $3,050 That price doesn't reflect the 3" lift, new BFGs, the brushguard, foglights or CB. (EXCELLENT mechanical condition, new rear main, new exhaust, new starter, new shocks/track bar - 3rd owner) A/C is still R12, added a pound and it's working great, just had a 90+ degree day to test it out. :) Based on the numbers above and the extras I've added, I guess a price around $3,000 should be fair. The '87 is clean, runs great, good fuel economy... handles well... I like it... but I got the cleaner, lower mileage unit with power goodies for my wife, it's her Jeep... After SuperDawg is done we'll see if we keep both Jeeps or if she'll be happy with my J10... chances are we'll end up keeping the XJ and the J10 along with the little 190D. :) one FSJ, one XJ and one Diesel-Benz. :) Which reminds me... need to get the '80 300CD put together today as well... need to head back outside and get wrenching. :) status right now is TWO XJ's and TWO Diesel-Benz's... outta control... ;) (not counting my son's XJ and FSJ) I'm not going to have time to read digests, so please email me directly at john-at-wagoneers.com thanx, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1945 **************************