From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jun 24 08:11:37 2003 From: fsj-digest <owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net> fsj-digest Tuesday, June 24 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1957 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci <ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net> Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: new purchase(s) Re: fsj: new purchase(s) fsj: transmission options Re: fsj: transmission options fsj: wifemobile Re: fsj: wifemobile Re: fsj: wifemobile Re: fsj: wifemobile Re: fsj: transmission options fsj: NY bans MTBE fsj: Re: Help please fsj: waterpump (was Re: Help please) fsj: re: Rocker arms questions FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:57:07 -0700 From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: Re: fsj: new purchase(s) At 06:39 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, Neal Hoover wrote: >nice trailer! thanx. it's gonna be a dump bed too... :) >the '83 is looking good! not right now, that was taken a few years ago, but it will! >you can bank on a few questions from me to come flying your way! >;) > >Neal A. Hoover >Project '96 XJ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com> >To: "Neal Hoover" <proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net>; <fsj-at-digest.net> >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:17 AM >Subject: Re: fsj: new purchase(s) > > > > At 11:03 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, Neal Hoover wrote: > > >thanks! > > >actually, i do have one. it's in the bed of the rig with tires right >now. > > >btw, i'm in Louisville, KY. > > > > > >how have you built your '75? > > > > into a trailer... :) > > > > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J10-trailer/xj-J10-trailer.jpg > > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J10-trailer/ > > > > My '83 J10 Stepside is still in pieces 100 miles south of me... > > hopefully it'll be reassembled and finished this summer... > > http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg > > > > john > > > > > > >Neal A. Hoover > > >Project '96 XJ (on hiatus) > > >Project '76 and '84 J-10 > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com> > > >To: "Neal Hoover" <proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net>; <fsj-at-digest.net> > > >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 10:30 PM > > >Subject: Re: fsj: new purchase(s) > > > > > > > > > > where are you? I have the rear bumper off of my '75 J10 if you want > > > > it... noticed you were missing one... I'm up near Seattle... > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > At 09:12 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, Neal Hoover wrote: > > > > >it's been a while since i posted here, but i've been lurking for some > > >time. > > > > >before, i was mainly asking Qs about grand waggies, because i was >going > > >to > > > > >use it as a tow rig for my business trailer. i was going for that > > > > >old-school-classic look and keeping the vehicales in the jeep family > > >(i've > > > > >had XJs for years). > > > > > > > > > >welp, i went out and got myself into a world of hurt... i got not >one, > > >but > > > > >*two* J-10's! one is a '76, the other is an '84. you can check 'em >out > > > > >here.... > > > > >http://community.webshots.com/album/78027629NcJrML > > > > > > > > > >here's the general idea... > > > > >the J with tires on it runs pretty well. 360 motor, GM turbo 400 >tranny, > > > > >quadratrack, D44's F/R. the guy who had it also put in an edelbrock > > >intake > > > > >and headers, 4brl holley carb, different cam, and brand new 35 x >12.50s! > > > > >this rig also has the better frame of the two, but one of the shackle > > > > >hangers is completely rusted off. > > > > >the body on the other J is cherry! not a load of work to get it >right. > > > > >i'll fix up the body first, shoot it in the paint bay, and let it sit >in > > > > >there. then roll the other J into the garage, and take it down to >the > > > > >chassis. fix the shackle hanger, pull the top of the motor off and > > >rebuild > > > > >it, overhaul the carb, and whatever else rears its ugly head whilst >i'm > > >down > > > > >to that level. > > > > >once that's alll done, i pull the other J out of the paint bay and >start > > > > >slapping on the body. > > > > >VOILLA! one kick-arse tow rig!!! > > > > >(anybody have an aspirin? :) > > > > > > > > > >soooo.... i know that's a big spew for my first post in a while, but > > >what > > > > >do you all think? has anyone on this list been down this road >before? > > > > >anything other than "everything" to beware of? > > > > > > > > > >Neal A. Hoover > > > > >Project '96 XJ (on hiatus) > > > > >Project '76 and '84 J-10!!!! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: Re: fsj: new purchase(s) On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 mark-at-tqhosting.com wrote: >-->hey John, I like your J-truck trailer. Did you use a regular rear axle >-->under it or a trailer axle? >-->Mark we took the AMC 20 axle out of my '83 J10 (used the '75 Dana 44 in it) and then took the guts out of it... and used front spindles with disc rotors for the trailer, it's lighter and we can convert it to brakes... curtis down in centrailia is coming up with all kinds of cool ideas. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:08:02 CDT From: Dan Black <dan-at-black.org> Subject: fsj: transmission options Does anybody know if a TH400 with overdrive will attach nicely to an NP229? (It IS the 229 that's in my '88 GWag, right?) Do I need some sort of adapter, or will it bolt up, or am I SOL? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You know me... But I don't remember smelling _you_ before. -- Smaug - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:14:11 CDT From: Dan Black <dan-at-black.org> Subject: Re: fsj: transmission options Oh, P.S., a friend says with the overdrive it's called a TH700R4. Does that sound right? {- Does anybody know if a TH400 with overdrive will attach nicely to an {- NP229? (It IS the 229 that's in my '88 GWag, right?) Do I need some {- sort of adapter, or will it bolt up, or am I SOL? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Students. If we could just get rid of all the students. -- Mr. Beach - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:53:15 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 <landon.tesar-at-motorola.com> Subject: fsj: wifemobile the '91?? What'd I miss? I need a non-OEM spelnhansr. - - Landon ========================== Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:39:27 -0700 From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: fsj: OME shock info... are the N36 OME in the rear the normal or HD? trying to get my wife's '91 riding properly... found out someone removed the rear sway bar... funny, my son doesn't want his, so we're moving it over... he doesn't want his front air dam, we're moving that over... he didn't want his inside spare mount, we moved that over... turns out I traded his 35x12.5's for the rack... need to sell the Cooper Discover's on six lug alloys... almost like new... Going to sell the shovel/axe mounts, the Yakima shield for the front and a couple of the light tabs... Let me know on the shocks... if those N36's are the HD model I need to know the number of the softer/std ones... trying to get this '91 to ride nicely so I can keep it. :) john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: Re: fsj: wifemobile On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->the '91?? What'd I miss? >--> >-->I need a non-OEM spelnhansr. huh? :) yeah, we had to sell the '99 WJ, so my wife decided she didn't like the '87 xj or the '85 190D, so I went XJ shopping because she won't drive anything but a Jeep. :) So... I found a nice clean '91 XJ, but she was sick the day of the test drive and told me to make the decision... so I did... and of course it was wrong. :) Anyway, did find out that the shocks we have are the HD version, swapped out the rear, need to do the fronts... tires are harsher too, but can't run the Michelin 31's because the dingaling that installed the OME lift put the spring retainers in with the nut toward the tire and it cuts... for full status of the fleet, see: http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html :) btw 35x12.5's anyone? my son traded me his tires for the roof rack... john >--> >-->- Landon >-->========================== >--> >-->Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:39:27 -0700 >-->From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> >-->Subject: fsj: OME shock info... >--> >-->are the N36 OME in the rear the normal or HD? >--> >-->trying to get my wife's '91 riding properly... >--> >-->found out someone removed the rear sway bar... funny, my >-->son doesn't want his, so we're moving it over... he >-->doesn't want his front air dam, we're moving that over... >-->he didn't want his inside spare mount, we moved that over... >--> >-->turns out I traded his 35x12.5's for the rack... need >-->to sell the Cooper Discover's on six lug alloys... almost >-->like new... >--> >-->Going to sell the shovel/axe mounts, the Yakima shield for >-->the front and a couple of the light tabs... >--> >-->Let me know on the shocks... if those N36's are the HD >-->model I need to know the number of the softer/std ones... >-->trying to get this '91 to ride nicely so I can keep it. :) >--> >-->john >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:30:08 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net> Subject: Re: fsj: wifemobile On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:39:25AM -0700, john wrote: > huh? :) yeah, we had to sell the '99 WJ, so my > wife decided she didn't like the '87 xj or the '85 190D, > so I went XJ shopping because she won't drive anything > but a Jeep. :) Yeah, but at least you don't have to deal with that damn lock that the dealer can't fix anymore :) > Anyway, did find out that the shocks we have are > the HD version, swapped out the rear, need to do the > fronts... tires are harsher too, but can't run the > Michelin 31's because the dingaling that installed the > OME lift put the spring retainers in with the nut > toward the tire and it cuts... In theory, you should be able to turn those around. And if the tires are that bad, it might be well worth it to do that. Been a long time since I've been under an XJ, but if it's the back, you should be done turning those bolts around already. The fronts might be a little interesting, but the only bolt I can think of up front that would rub is the one on the bar that on a ford would be called the radius arm. Again, not a big deal to reinstall. I helped lift an 87 XJ a couple of years ago. Nothing really all that difficult to deal with, unlike the 93 bronco I helped lift. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:53:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: Re: fsj: wifemobile On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:39:25AM -0700, john wrote: >-->> huh? :) yeah, we had to sell the '99 WJ, so my >-->> wife decided she didn't like the '87 xj or the '85 190D, >-->> so I went XJ shopping because she won't drive anything >-->> but a Jeep. :) >--> >-->Yeah, but at least you don't have to deal with that damn lock that the >-->dealer can't fix anymore :) roger that... that was a big uncertainty. :) also will be able to get a lighter colored interior and try the 4.0L for the next one too. :) >-->> Anyway, did find out that the shocks we have are >-->> the HD version, swapped out the rear, need to do the >-->> fronts... tires are harsher too, but can't run the >-->> Michelin 31's because the dingaling that installed the >-->> OME lift put the spring retainers in with the nut >-->> toward the tire and it cuts... >--> >-->In theory, you should be able to turn those around. And if the tires are that >-->bad, it might be well worth it to do that. Been a long time since I've been >-->under an XJ, but if it's the back, you should be done turning those bolts >-->around already. The fronts might be a little interesting, but the only bolt >-->I can think of up front that would rub is the one on the bar that on a ford >-->would be called the radius arm. Again, not a big deal to reinstall. rear, isn't a problem with 30x9.5's... 31's are a bit much... my other tire was cut on an earlier xj too... >-->I helped lift an 87 XJ a couple of years ago. Nothing really all that difficult >-->to deal with, unlike the 93 bronco I helped lift. yeah, the XJ's are pretty straight forward to work on... one of the reasons I consider them one of the best Jeeps ever built. john >--> >-->K >--> >-->-- >-->Kevin Pekarek >-->Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >-->Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: Re: fsj: transmission options I doubt it'd bolt up... tried to connect an NP219 to an AW4 (Jeep 4speed at) and it didn't work... the 700r4 is the OD unit... wouldn't be a bad way of going... despite the adapter. john On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Dan Black wrote: >-->Does anybody know if a TH400 with overdrive will attach nicely to an >-->NP229? (It IS the 229 that's in my '88 GWag, right?) Do I need some >-->sort of adapter, or will it bolt up, or am I SOL? >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> You know me... But I don't remember smelling _you_ before. >--> >--> -- Smaug >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:00:13 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" <vorr-at-attbi.com> Subject: fsj: NY bans MTBE FYI New York State is banning the fuel additive MTBE in gasoline as of January 2004. - --Vince '81 Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:04:09 -0700 From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: fsj: Re: Help please Jean, I'm going to send this to the FSJ lists here in the states, I'm fairly certain that this part is available. I have a '67 J-100 panel with a 232 as well. I haven't looked for parts but since that motor is an old AMC motor there should be a source somewhere. :) Nice collection of Jeeps. :) I lived over in Germany from 1975 until 1981, made it down to Barcelona on one trip. Where are you in France? ttyl, john meister At 06:08 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, jean-francois.lavie-at-ps.ge.com wrote: >Sorry to take a bit of your time, I'm french working for GE building a 400 >MW power plant in Spain and I'm a Jeep collector. > >I'm currently rebuilding a 1971 wagoneer that I found in Spain. It is >complete with an unrusted body, but it was mechanically far from fit. > >I thought of just changing the engine with a good 6 258 and I rebuilted the >gear box just to find that the rear bolt pattern of the 1971 6 232 was not >matching the late 6 258 rear bolt pattern. I decided then to install an auto >gerabox and transfer from a 1985 CJ to go forward and aside from >transmissions it was a direct bolt on including for the crossmember! > >I now face a problem with the water pump from the 6 232 that died while >being dry...my mistake. > >With out a new pump inpossible to keep all the accessories in place! > >Dod you know any body who faced the problem? >Walck's my usual supplier says he cannot find a replacement pump, that is >why I send this email directly as you may have some ideas. I also sent a >mail to J&W wreckers who supplied some trim and lighting parts for me as i >whant to put this car back to its original condition. > >I have attached some pictures of the pump ( blue next to an aluminium CJ7) >and a view of my Jeep collection that I have in France. see http://wagoneers.com/tmp for the pictures & doc: >I hope you will be able to help me somehow. <<VIN.JPG>> <<PIC00026.JPG>> ><<PIC00028.JPG>> <<Only in my Jeep's rev d light.pdf>> > > > g jean-francois LAVIE > > > > Field operation Site manager > > > > > > CT Ciclo Combinado Tarragona 1 > > GE International Site Office > > IQA la seda , Ctra N340; Km 1157 > > 43006 Tarragona > > Spain > > Tel: (34) 977 543 101 - 977 543 103 > > Fax: (34) 977 542 695 > > Cell. (34) 699 982 548 > > email: jean-francois.lavie-at-ps.ge.com > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:43:12 -0700 From: "Jim B" <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> Subject: fsj: waterpump (was Re: Help please) Check if your original pump is #J8120131 If it is, the one in the picture link on this page should be the same, even though it is for a 258. (I've done that swap before!) http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDetails.asp?SourceArea=&SourcePage=SEARCHRESU LTS&MfrCode=AIN&MfrPartNumber=WP445&PartType=54&PTSet=A Haven't been to France yet (I was supposed to go in '76, but ended up doing NATO peacekeeping in Cyprus instead) but my wife wants to go to Paris in the off-season. It'll give me time to pratice my high school French. Je suis Canadian! Bon Chance! From: john <diesel-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: Re: Help please Jean, I'm going to send this to the FSJ lists here in the states, I'm fairly certain that this part is available. I have a '67 J-100 panel with a 232 as well. I haven't looked for parts but since that motor is an old AMC motor there should be a source somewhere. :) Nice collection of Jeeps. :) I lived over in Germany from 1975 until 1981, made it down to Barcelona on one trip. Where are you in France? ttyl, john meister At 06:08 AM 6/23/2003 -0400, jean-francois.lavie-at-ps.ge.com wrote: >Sorry to take a bit of your time, I'm french working for GE building a 400 >MW power plant in Spain and I'm a Jeep collector. > >I'm currently rebuilding a 1971 wagoneer that I found in Spain. It is >complete with an unrusted body, but it was mechanically far from fit. > >I thought of just changing the engine with a good 6 258 and I rebuilted the >gear box just to find that the rear bolt pattern of the 1971 6 232 was not >matching the late 6 258 rear bolt pattern. I decided then to install an auto >gerabox and transfer from a 1985 CJ to go forward and aside from >transmissions it was a direct bolt on including for the crossmember! > >I now face a problem with the water pump from the 6 232 that died while >being dry...my mistake. > >With out a new pump inpossible to keep all the accessories in place! > >Dod you know any body who faced the problem? >Walck's my usual supplier says he cannot find a replacement pump, that is >why I send this email directly as you may have some ideas. I also sent a >mail to J&W wreckers who supplied some trim and lighting parts for me as i >whant to put this car back to its original condition. > >I have attached some pictures of the pump ( blue next to an aluminium CJ7) >and a view of my Jeep collection that I have in France. see http://wagoneers.com/tmp for the pictures & doc: >I hope you will be able to help me somehow. <<VIN.JPG>> <<PIC00026.JPG>> ><<PIC00028.JPG>> <<Only in my Jeep's rev d light.pdf>> > > > g jean-francois LAVIE > > > > Field operation Site manager > > > > > > CT Ciclo Combinado Tarragona 1 > > GE International Site Office > > IQA la seda , Ctra N340; Km 1157 > > 43006 Tarragona > > Spain > > Tel: (34) 977 543 101 - 977 543 103 > > Fax: (34) 977 542 695 > > Cell. (34) 699 982 548 > > email: jean-francois.lavie-at-ps.ge.com Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack, '73 J4000 Tow truck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:38:47 -0700 From: "Jim B" <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> Subject: fsj: re: Rocker arms questions A: The rockers can be "adjusted" by shaving down the base of the towers till the clatter goes away (did this with a flat file or grinder many times!) but the electrical problem can be very simply fixed most of the time. Add a ground wire from the battery negative to the body/frame of the car. The original braided one at the back of the motor may be broken off or gone too high resistance to allow power feedback to the regulator, so it has to take the long way around (through the engine bearings to the trans to the driveshaft and through the rear springs before coming forwards) I have seen engine bearing damage (through electrolysis) caused by this a surprising number of times. The other common cause is corrosion between the alternator main terminal and the battery + post. It can happen quite a few different ways. Battery acid caused corrosion in the + cable and connectors at the solenoid. Loose or damaged wire from the alternator main terminal, or the common problem in almost all cars I have owned with an ammeter is corrosion on the terminals in the back. A jumper wire from the alt to the battery + will test if too much resistance is the trouble very quickly and efficiently. From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes-at-planethoustonamx.com> To: <mail-at-amc-list.com> Subject: Rocker arms questions Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:07:37 -0500 Duane actually has two questions one is pertaining to his electrical system I tried to help him out with, still seems to be a few gremlins in the system. But he is also asking about rockers so if anyone here wishes to comment or advise either subject please feel free to do so and might want to copy your reply to Duane down below and thanks in advance to all who may reply. Eddie Stakes' Planet Houston AMX www.planethoustonamx.com ======================= Hi Eddie, I had conversed with you one other time about an electrical prob in my `70 Hornet, pulsating alternator output. Have changed volt reg and alt and still the same, headlights will sort of pulse a little brighter and dimmer kind of steadily. had this prob on other AMC cars also, still cannot figure it out, they dont all do it either. Well i am actually asking about rocker arms now(but any info on above prob would help, lol.), I am trying to find out if the only rocker arms and pivots that work on an `82 258 6-cyl head are all there is(did not word that quite right but i think u know what i mean), are the V8 ones for say a 304 different? In looking at pictures of Ford Boss 302 they look like same pivot design, are they? or workable close? would love to put some roller rockers of some sort on it lol, it would really help efficiency, better gas mileage. rocker ratio is 1.6:1 and want to keep at least that. Well, take care. Thanks, Duane D5Logic-at-webuniverse.net Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack, '86 Comanche 4x4 _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1957 **************************