From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 3 11:55:51 2004 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 3 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2110 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Non-FSJ related - Head gasket replacement on 4.2 motor in 87 Wrangler Re: fsj: Head gasket replacement on 4.2 motor Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress fsj: brake master cylinder / booster FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:51:57 -0600 From: "Michael & Carmen Keith" Subject: fsj: Non-FSJ related - Head gasket replacement on 4.2 motor in 87 Wrangler If there is an e-mail list better suited for this question, please feel free to redirect me. That said, I'm getting ready to install a head gasket on my brother-in-law's 87 Wrangler with a 4.2 I-6 (the cam lobe on exhaust #2 flattened itself). The Haynes manual I'm using advises me to use some sort of sealant on the head gasket. The manual covers a number of model years, & it states very specifically that sealant is to be used for the 4.2 & the early 4 cylinder motors & no sealant is to be used on the later 4.0 I-6 & later 4 cylinder motors. I've never used any sort of sealant on any head gasket, & the Fel-Pro gasket I'm using looks does not look any different in materials or construction from any other head gasket I've used. Does anyone have any experience with this? If I do have to use a sealant, what kind should I use, & how & where do I apply it? Thanks in advance for any input. Michael Keith Houston, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:17:03 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: fsj: Head gasket replacement on 4.2 motor Hey, the question is valid on this list... many of us have 4.2L engines... I don't know the answer, I'm in AZ right now teaching, my shop manuals are up in Seattle... I wouldn't trust a chilton's or a haynes... call the parts department at the Jeep dealer and ask them if they sell sealant with their head gaskets for that engine... :) john > If there is an e-mail list better suited for this question, please feel free > to redirect me. That said, I'm getting ready to install a head gasket on my > brother-in-law's 87 Wrangler with a 4.2 I-6 (the cam lobe on exhaust #2 > flattened itself). The Haynes manual I'm using advises me to use some sort > of sealant on the head gasket. The manual covers a number of model years, & > it states very specifically that sealant is to be used for the 4.2 & the > early 4 cylinder motors & no sealant is to be used on the later 4.0 I-6 & > later 4 cylinder motors. I've never used any sort of sealant on any head > gasket, & the Fel-Pro gasket I'm using looks does not look any different in > materials or construction from any other head gasket I've used. > > Does anyone have any experience with this? If I do have to use a sealant, > what kind should I use, & how & where do I apply it? > > Thanks in advance for any input. > > Michael Keith > Houston, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: elliott sydnam Subject: Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress Looking Sharp Neal, hope to be at the same point on my '66 J200/'79 J20 frame before too much long. Elliott - --- Neal Hoover wrote: > for those interested, i've posted a few more pics of > the J-truck project. i > just finished coating the rear of the frame with > POR-15 paint last night. > pics are at the bottom of this gallery... > http://community.webshots.com/album/117503613fQxzeY?440 > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you^Rre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:56:02 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress thanks! ooooh. sounds like you have a fun one on your hands as well. if your project has any similarities to mine, you''ll have fun with just about EVERY fastener on the thing! it seems that almost every bolt i take out either breaks on me, or i have to cut it off because of bad rust. i spent no less than 5 HOURS taking one bolt out last weekend. zheezh! it's all good, though. good luck on yours. Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "elliott sydnam" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress > Looking Sharp Neal, hope to be at the same point on my > '66 J200/'79 J20 frame before too much long. > Elliott > > > --- Neal Hoover wrote: > > for those interested, i've posted a few more pics of > > the J-truck project. i > > just finished coating the rear of the frame with > > POR-15 paint last night. > > pics are at the bottom of this gallery... > > > http://community.webshots.com/album/117503613fQxzeY?440 > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > Project '76 J-10 > > Project '96 XJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:16:52 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress "Neal Hoover" said: {- it seems that almost every bolt i take {- out either breaks on me, or i have to cut it off because of bad rust. i {- spent no less than 5 HOURS taking one bolt out last weekend. zheezh! A couple months ago, I was changing the shocks on my '74 Wag, and the first three went pretty quickly and smoothly (probably 15min each), but the lower bolt on the last one (right front) was frozen with rust. Nut came off with no trouble, and the bolt would spin, but it wasn't coming out. Couldn't get a good angle on it to get a solid hit with a hammer because the axle was in the way. Would've gone quicker if I had had a C-clamp -- and I finally had to go buy one, and then I got it out in probably another 15min. Anyway, that one bolt probably took me around 2hrs. So your 5hrs wins, but it's still pretty annoying when the whole job (all four shocks) should take about an hour, but the one bolt takes 2hrs itself. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trust the instinct to the end, though you can render no reason. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:54:35 -0800 (PST) From: elliott sydnam Subject: Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress Thanks Neil, I didn't have much trouble with any bolts. Had to slice a couple to get the bed off and then there wasn't much I couldn't get a breaker bar and 7' pipe extension on! I shortened the frame for my SWB, but then I relocated to TX and had to throw it all back together for the trip down. Now I'm building the shop to finish it in and will have to strip it all down. Pics on one ton axles and shackle inversion: http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/jeeps/files/1963-1987-Pickups/Avatarstart.jpg http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/jeeps/files/1963-1987-Pickups/66SnowTX.jpg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you^Rre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:24:20 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress i feel ya. my problem bolt was a front spring bolt on the rear leaf pack. like yours, the bolt was rusted to the sleeve and would NOT come out despite heavy persuation. i eventually cut the head and what shank i could off of the bolt and slid the entire leaf pack/axle assy out of the pocket. then i could get to the bolt/sleeve/bushing mess and finally got the frozen bolt and sleeve out of the bushing together. then and only then could i stick them in my 20-ton shop press and press them apart. frustrating and quite time consuming, indeed! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Black" To: "Full Size Jeeps" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress > "Neal Hoover" said: > {- it seems that almost every bolt i take > {- out either breaks on me, or i have to cut it off because of bad rust. i > {- spent no less than 5 HOURS taking one bolt out last weekend. zheezh! > > A couple months ago, I was changing the shocks on my '74 Wag, and the > first three went pretty quickly and smoothly (probably 15min each), but > the lower bolt on the last one (right front) was frozen with rust. > Nut came off with no trouble, and the bolt would spin, but it wasn't > coming out. Couldn't get a good angle on it to get a solid hit with a > hammer because the axle was in the way. Would've gone quicker if I had > had a C-clamp -- and I finally had to go buy one, and then I got it out > in probably another 15min. Anyway, that one bolt probably took me > around 2hrs. > > So your 5hrs wins, but it's still pretty annoying when the whole job > (all four shocks) should take about an hour, but the one bolt takes 2hrs > itself. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > Trust the instinct to the end, though you can render no reason. > > -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:40:44 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: fsj: a little more J-10 truck progress dang if those doors don't look real familiar like... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/J10-trailer/trailer-xj.jpg Just got back from a drive out to Tombstone, AZ. :) Was thinking about how nice the little rental Cavilier was driving down the freeway... then I got on the backroads heading to Tombstone and realized why Mercedes and Jeeps cost so much... The engineering that goes into the suspension makes all the difference in the world... :) After three days of high desert and teaching solaris I'm going to be glad to be back in Seattle... :) The opening joke for class was: "I'm real perplexed why they'd bring a guy from Seattle down here to teach you guys about Sun... " :) "... seeing as how we're in the middle of our rain festival and all, you know the one, it starts the day before Labor day and continues until the day after the fourth of July. ;) anyone in Tucson? I might have a few minutes before catching the silver bird home wed afternoon... later, john > I shortened the frame for my SWB, but then I relocated > to TX and had to throw it all back together for the > trip down. Now I'm building the shop to finish it in > and will have to strip it all down. > Pics on one ton axles and shackle inversion: > http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/jeeps/files/1963-1987-Pickups/Avatarstart.jpg > > http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/jeeps/files/1963-1987-Pickups/66SnowTX.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:01:52 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: brake master cylinder / booster hey, gang - on my '76 J-truck, the brake MC assy looks pretty worked out. the assy that is on my '86 j-truck body looks to be in much better shape (as well as 10 years newer). are these assys swappable? just wondering if the bolt patterns are the same, etc. thanks! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2110 **************************