From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon May 10 21:39:15 2004 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, May 11 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2149 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: out with the old Re: fsj: adventures in Manhattan Re: fsj: out with the old Re: fsj: out with the old fsj: new radiator RE: fsj: adventures in ManhattanREmove Please fsj: Wide Track Cherokee axles in Seattle and more! fsj: OT: '64 Cadillac Sedan de Ville fsj: Cherokee Fender Flares FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 22:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: out with the old question is do you want to bring the tranny AND xfr case out with the engine? I'd split the engine/trans and take the trans out with the xfr case from under... less exciting that way. remember that 360 weighs close to 600lbs with all the accessories... you'll soon reach the limits of most inexpensive shop cranes with the trans/xfr case attached... plus it's harder to navigate all that while you're trying to hold the shop crane on terra firma. :) the bolts to the tranny are easier to deal with then the xfr case to xmsn bolts... get long extensions... john On Wed, 5 May 2004, Jeep Nut wrote: >-->Getting ready to swap engines, and never having done one on a GrandWag.... >--> >-->Do I bring the engine out with the tranny? >-->Better to separate? >-->I need them both out anyway. >-->Starting to disassemble the '87 Waggie... lovin' my impact wrench. >-->(latest toolbox acquisition). No way I would have gotten the nuts off >-->the exhaust manifold studs with a ratchet... and only broke one stud. >--> >-->Thanks! >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 01:31:04 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: adventures in Manhattan A: How about an '88 Commanche shortbox with '90 4.0L motor swapped in (now has 120,000 miles on the motor and a fresh head gasket) I have an AW4 I'm installing with NV242 transfercase (column shift and bench seat, but I have a pair of buckets with floor console that can go with as well) I installed a new open style rad and new alt and this is a 4x4 conversion with 3.73 gears, 4.5" soft lift front coils and rear SOA to match with 33" tires all around. Asking $2900. Originally this truck was a 4.0L 2wd 5 speed. I also have an '87 Montero with a near new motor that I'll be selling once I replace the starter and flywheel. The original POS carb has just been replaced with a Weber and Redline adapter kit. Haven't quite decided on a price for the little 4 cyl 5 speed rig but it's not in bad shape. (It feels like driving a CJ as it leans so much) From: john Subject: fsj: adventures in Manhattan Anybody have a nice WJ or XJ they are selling out here in the West? My son wants to buy our '87 XJ and I need to get my wife a nice clean Jeep. I suggested a couple of other options and all I could get was "Jeep". Ok, ok, I'm the one that got here hooked on these things... ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 01:34:16 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: out with the old A: I would leave the trans in. It's easier to handle with the motor out of the way. If you do pull both, undo the transfercase at the roundish joint (behind the mount) and leave it and driveshafts hanging by chain. From: Jeep Nut Subject: fsj: out with the old Getting ready to swap engines, and never having done one on a GrandWag.... Do I bring the engine out with the tranny? Better to separate? I need them both out anyway. Starting to disassemble the '87 Waggie... lovin' my impact wrench. (latest toolbox acquisition). No way I would have gotten the nuts off the exhaust manifold studs with a ratchet... and only broke one stud. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:54:38 +0000 From: v.orr-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: fsj: out with the old What Jim and John said. I've done this a few times myself and it's better to pull the engine separate due to weight and manuvering ability. I also pulled the tranny and t-case as one unit. Difficult but much easier than trying to work on them under the vehicle. I jacked up one side of 'ol Rez and put in jackstands and blocks for safety. You get to tuggin' and such and you don't want to be under there if it falls off! Don't forget to undo the torque converter bolts...if the converter comes off with the engine, you will have a big tranny oil mess. > A: I would leave the trans in. It's easier to handle with the motor out of > the way. If you do pull both, undo the transfercase at the roundish joint > (behind the mount) and leave it and driveshafts hanging by chain. > > > From: Jeep Nut > Subject: fsj: out with the old > > Getting ready to swap engines, and never having done one on a GrandWag.... > > Do I bring the engine out with the tranny? > Better to separate? > I need them both out anyway. > Starting to disassemble the '87 Waggie... lovin' my impact wrench. > (latest toolbox acquisition). No way I would have gotten the nuts off > the exhaust manifold studs with a ratchet... and only broke one stud. > > Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:46:08 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: new radiator http://129.186.79.84/FSJ%20radiator/ For those of you who remember the discussion a few weeks ago, I got the radiator from radiators.com, and everything is working great. For those who don't remember... read the text. :) I don't know how long I'll leave those there. Likely until I get back from Cali (mid-month), but no guarantees beyond that. John, if you want any of this for wagoneers.com, go for it. There's a nice zip file that keeps everything together. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats. -- Groucho Marx - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:06:29 -0700 From: "Steve Sanders" Subject: RE: fsj: adventures in ManhattanREmove Please Remove Please - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Blair Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:31 AM To: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: adventures in Manhattan A: How about an '88 Commanche shortbox with '90 4.0L motor swapped in (now has 120,000 miles on the motor and a fresh head gasket) I have an AW4 I'm installing with NV242 transfercase (column shift and bench seat, but I have a pair of buckets with floor console that can go with as well) I installed a new open style rad and new alt and this is a 4x4 conversion with 3.73 gears, 4.5" soft lift front coils and rear SOA to match with 33" tires all around. Asking $2900. Originally this truck was a 4.0L 2wd 5 speed. I also have an '87 Montero with a near new motor that I'll be selling once I replace the starter and flywheel. The original POS carb has just been replaced with a Weber and Redline adapter kit. Haven't quite decided on a price for the little 4 cyl 5 speed rig but it's not in bad shape. (It feels like driving a CJ as it leans so much) From: john Subject: fsj: adventures in Manhattan Anybody have a nice WJ or XJ they are selling out here in the West? My son wants to buy our '87 XJ and I need to get my wife a nice clean Jeep. I suggested a couple of other options and all I could get was "Jeep". Ok, ok, I'm the one that got here hooked on these things... ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:32:32 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Wide Track Cherokee axles in Seattle and more! (Posting these for a buddy as they are taking up space in my backyard along with the rest of the WT that I am parting out w/o drivetrain) $300 the pair OBO. Complete from side to side. 3.08 Open (AFAIK) Dana 44s with RH drop/offset from a '77 Cherokee Widetrack. Front is same width as pickup, but the rear is special to Widetracks. I also have a working AMC TH400 (needs different torque converter because that got rain in it before I got it) and a working but core 998 automatic from an Eagle (only 1 clutch different from the 999 used in FSJs '80 up with 6 cyl. Converter was locking up from a stand still) I have a stripped down 999 for parts from a 2000 Wrangler 4.0L (it has the crank sensor for Jeep HO EFI. I was going to put the guts from the 998 into it but I'm going with Renix EFI and the crank position sensor won't work for that) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:48:56 -0700 From: john meister Subject: fsj: OT: '64 Cadillac Sedan de Ville Anyone out there interested in a rust free good running all original 1964 Cadillac Sedan De Ville? http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/2004/tailfin.jpg My son was going to buy it but he's decided to buy my '87 XJ Jeep, despite it's 250,000 miles... (the lure of the Arizona desert changed his mind.. ;) The Cadillac has been sitting for years and only started every now and then. It will need some attention, but runs great and was cleaned up nicely last year. It's solid. Original manuals included, only two owners, originally from Oklahoma. The driver's seat is a little worn. I can put more pictures up on my server if you're interested. This is a great deal, serious. email me at UnixMeister-at-comcast.net My neighbor wants $2,500 for it. Nice car with lots of potential. Someone please buy it... it's tempting me to buy it... I can see it from my house, it's just sitting there screaming buy me, buy me, drive me... can't you hear it? :) You could realistically drive this thing across the country as is, HOWEVER, new tires, hoses, belts, water pump and fluid changes would be highly recommended. :) These beasts get around 18 mpg on the interstate... This was built when Cadillacs were Cadillacs... had an uncle that owned one, sang nothing but praises about it as he travelled all over the US as a salesman. Fit and finish and quality is evident. A real American classic. john meister snohomish, washington FOR GRINS, here's the specs: 1964 Cadillac Specifications 1964 is the first year for climate control heating and air conditioning systems in Cadillac. 1,870 El Dorados built in 1964, all were convertibles. SPECIFICATIONS ENGINE: Eight-cylinder, 340 H.P., overhead, 90 degrees V-type; bore 4.13"; stroke 4.0"; displacement 429 cu. In. Max. torque 480 ft.-lbs. Engine mounted in rubber at three points. Compression ratio 10.5 to 1. PISTONS: Aluminum alloy, slipper type to reduce friction surfaces and permit nesting between crankshaft counterweights. Two compression rings, one oil ring with expander; top compression ring chrome-plated to minimize wear on cylinder walls. Recessed contour in piston head increases turbulence for fast, complete burning of fuel-air mixture. CARBURETOR: Four-barrel downdraft with equalized manifolding; mechanical fuel pump; dry type air filter; automatic choke. LUBRICATION: Full pressure. Full-flow oil filter standard. ELECTRICAL SYSTEM: 12-volt, 13-plate battery. High capacity 42 Amp. generator (now 55 Amp. on air cond. cars and Seventy-Five Series). GASOLINE TANK CAPACITY: 26 gallons. HYDRA-MATIC DRIVE: Fully automatic, step-gear type. Controlled fluid coupling on forward gear set for smoother shifts. Provides two Drive Ranges, Low Range and Reverse. TURBO HYDRA-MATIC: Fully automatic, torque converter type. Converter multiplies engine torque for increased driving thrust at rear wheels during acceleration in any gear (low, intermediate or high). REAR AXLE: Hypoid. Differential housing offset to provide straight-line drive. Ratio is 2.94 with an optional 3.21 axle available. The 3.21 axle is provided on air-conditioned models. On Series Seventy-Five models, ratio is 3.36 with 3.77 optional. The controlled differential, optional at extra cost, directs power to rear wheel having better traction. FRONT SUSPENSION: Spherical joint with Cadillac independent, helical-coil-type springs. Rubber mounted strut rods and rubber bushings absorb impacts and isolate road noise. REAR SUSPENSION: Four-link drive. Rear springs are helical-coil type. Rubber bushings for quieter, softer ride. BRAKES: Cadillac Power Brakes with self-adjusting shoes; finned front and rear drums. Split hydraulic master cylinder provides independent piston and fluid reservoir for front and rear brakes, assuring one set working in the event of failure of either set. Effective brake lining area, 221.8 sq. in., 233.72 sq. in. on Series Seventy-Five models. PARKING BRAKE: Serves as true auxiliary brake since it will not lock in position with engine running and car in gear. STEERING: Cadillac Power Steering standard equipment. Overall steering ratio of 18.2 to 1 and 38.5 degrees turning angle for fast response and short turning diameter. FRAME: Cadillac tubular-center X frame provides exceptional torsional rigidity; permits a low front floor contributing to comfortable seat height and head room. TIRES: Low-pressure, 4-ply, tubeless. Size-8.00 x 15 (Series Seventy-Five; 6-ply. size 8.20 x 15). White sidewall tires*, size 8.20 x 15, optional at extra cost. CORNERING LIGHTS (Standard Equipment); On the side of front fenders, to rear of parking lights, activated by directional signal switch when headlamp switch is on. Projects a powerful beam of light, perpendicular to the side of the car, thus illuminating roadside and road signs for extra safety in turning corners at night. TREAD: Front and rear, 61". WHEELBASE: 129.5" (Series Seventy-Five, 149.75"). OVERALL LENGTH: 223.5" (Series Seventy-Five, 243.8"). *Standard on Eldorado C A D I L L A C M O T O R C A R D I V I S I O N G E N E R A L M O T O R S C O R P O R A T I O N Cadillac Motor Car Division of General Motors Corporation reserves the right to make changes at any time, without notice, in prices, colors, materials, equipment, specifications and models, and also to discontinue models. LITHO IN U.S.A. 4 Window Sedan de Ville Wheelbase: 129.5" (3,29 m) Length: 223.5" (5,68 m) Weight: 4575 (2075 kg) Factory Price: $5655 Production Total: 39674 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:47:48 -0700 From: "Dalan Hawker" Subject: fsj: Cherokee Fender Flares Will Cherokee fenders work on a Grand Wagoneer? I am considering putting a set on my Grand Wag because I am looking for a set of fender flares for it. I would also buy a set of fiberglass rears flares to match from BJ's Offroad (I realize that I would need to do some fabrication to get them to work with the rear doors). Bushwacker's pocket flares would need to be modified from the XJ model and are costly. I need new fenders anyway so I was thinking this would kill two birds with one stone and give me the classic Jeep look. I want to be sure there are no other issues before I make the plunge and buy a set. They look like they will just bolt on, but I wasn't sure about front bumper clearance etc. Dalan Hawker 87' Grand Wagoneer. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2149 **************************