From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Feb 6 19:48:43 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, February 7 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2356 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: the 58 willys wagon fsj: WA State FSJ Club fsj: popcorn required: willys ideas? Jeep Diesels? :) fsj: Re: popcorn required: willys ideas? Jeep Diesels? :) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:06:38 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: the 58 willys wagon uploading some 800x600 pictures to: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/willys there is a contact sheet with all the pictures on one: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/willys/willys-58-wagon-all-feb5-05.jpg not sure how long I'll keep these up there... have to watch the bandwidth on wagoneers.com until I get things cleaned up and resized. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 05:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: elliott sydnam Subject: fsj: WA State FSJ Club Here's a link to a WA State FSJ club just forming: http://www.geocities.com/skibullfrog/WFSJA.html The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:09:10 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: popcorn required: willys ideas? Jeep Diesels? :) get the popcorn ready... ;) just looking on ebay and saw a few nice willys: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4524338250&fromMakeTrack=true http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4524605126&fromMakeTrack=true http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4524317385&fromMakeTrack=true wondering how far I should go with mine. :) http://wagoneers.com/tmp/willys/willys-58-wagon-all-feb5-05.jpg it has a good (supposedly) 230 Chevy, T-90, Dana 20. Very little rust to deal with... I like the light colored willys... cool, check this one out... same green as mine! I like the color scheme in the back, and, it works well as that is the area I have to work on a little bit of body rust too. :) I think this makes the most sense: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4524770737&category=10076 one of my early thoughts was to put a Mercedes Diesel into this Willys, but I'm more inclined because of time constraints to build the 230 up and work on detailing and painting... there are lots of performance parts available for that Chevy I-6 engine... it's in there, and that solves a lot of problems... :) I'm not sure if this is something I'm going to want to keep as a long term project or not... My goal in starting my Jeep project(s) was to build an affordable, economical, mult-function daily driver. SuperDawg was the plan... unfortunately that project has stalled for years and has spun so far out of control that I only have mild hope that it'll see the streets in the next year or two. I'm not sure that when it's done it'll be what I wanted then or now... it'll be cool for sure, and well done... but that was nearly 4 years ago now... my tastes and ideas have changed... If I could find an acceptable and suitable Diesel, which I haven't so far, for the project, I'd go that way. If there were a commercial Diesel engine as quiet, economical and powerful as my Mercedes 2.5L Turbo Diesel that was sized for the J10, and I could afford it.... well, I'd go that way. In the meantime the 4.0L is still the best bet, although considering the weight and all I'll be happy if it sees 18mpg... which is not acceptable for a 60 mile per day commute. Which means I have to have more than one vehicle since I want a 4x4. At this point my daily driver will have to be the '91 300D for some time to come... my dream of having another Diesel powered and economical Jeep is still there... somewhere... I think an XJ would be the most likely model in thinking about it... The Willys Wagon is cool, but not likely to be everything I want it to be. The J10 is also in that category, not as practical as a Wagoneer... but I don't want a Wagoneer because of the tailgate, and Rambo, my '67 J100 panel is in need of way too much effort to make it a nice daily driver and has been promised as payment for the J10 project work, which languishes on and on... I'm still kind of tweaked that I don't have my own shop... there's no way I can convince my wife to move, and I'm not willing to spend the money to build a garage that will meet her approval as we're constrained by the easement and such. I understand that she wants it to look right, and I agree. If we just threw up a garage here we're both likely to throw up. ;) I look around at houses and see things that are so out of place and messy, and I have to agree with what my wife is trying to do. So, that leaves me without a shop, and little hope of getting one any time soon... :( I've got a herd of vehicles and a bigger herd of ideas... :) one good thing, no, several good things about this are: I'm getting to try a number of different vehicles out, learning a bunch, usually breaking even or making a little money, and providing plenty of entertainment for my friends. ;) so, thoughts on what to do with the Willys? :) another thought just "flashed" through my mind... I want a Jeep, Diesel and 4x4... I want it nice, clean, modern, yada, yada, yada... the new Jeep Liberty is coming out with that 2.8L Diesel... If I sold all of my other vehicles and projects off I could make a healthy dent on the costs... If SuperDawg were just together I had an offer for $7,500 four years ago... IF I clean the Willys up who knows what I could get for that... the Benz is still worth close to $7k... hmm... and then there is the Jimmy... I'll have to do some math... if I can assemble, fix and add value to my current fleet and sell them off and cover half the cost of a brand spanking new Jeep with a Diesel, well, then I wouldn't need a garage or a fleet of vehicles... This makes sense on a number of levels... I'm not impressed by the looks of the liberty, but I have driven them and like the way they feel. Between my teaching salary and the sales of all my rigs I think I can make this fly with my wife... :) If we sold the WJ and she used my Benz that would even be better... one car payment, two Diesels... ;) We'll see... I doubt she'll want to give up her nice white WJ though... thanx for letting me think with my fingers... hope your popcorn held out for this... I'm heading off to church and then to work on a couple of servers at work in Seattle... ;) '58 Willys Wagon (almost home...) cleaned up and all functional????? '67 J100 Panel (promised off...) '83 J10 Stepside (in a bazillion pieces 105 miles south of here) ??? '83 GMC Jimmy 6.2L Diesel (needing some TLC, but solid) 2.5k? '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer (even more overweight than I am. ;) 3.5K? '91 300d (not a 4x4, but a great car) $7k? '99 WJ Laredo (almost as beautiful as my wife) '83 300d (sold, almost gone) '77 300cd (traded off for willys work) '78 J10 Golden Eagle (given to curtis for trailer/jimmy work) did I forget any? :) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html I count 13k, plus whatever superdawg and the willys would be worth... hmm.... one NEW Jeep Diesel... this is very tempting... solves a LOT of issues... besides, I've never owned a new vehicle in my life... not a one of the 98 has been new... ;) domains under consideration: jeepmeister.com (if I get a KJ with a diesel perhaps dieseljohn.com ;) later... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 16:39:27 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: popcorn required: willys ideas? Jeep Diesels? :) Unless someone did some parts swapping, http://wagoneers.com/tmp/willys/willys-17.jpg shows a Chev 250 motor. (late '60s, early 70s from the oil cap and temp sensor holes) ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2356 **************************