From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Feb 9 10:40:51 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, February 9 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2359 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together fsj: RE: [db] fuel economy? fsj: Re: [db] fuel economy? Re: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together Re: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #2358 Re: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:23:45 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together When I'm having fun with it I'll need both hands on the wheel and won't be taking pictures! But, I'll bet I could get someone else to do it for me : ) Ben In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:42:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: i'm sure you will! just take pics, wouldja? ;) Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together > > Not a chance! > I'll miss the reliability of the Wagoneer and I never got tired of looking > at it, but I've wanted a nicely optioned Chief ever since they first came out > with them. As soon as I find time, I know I'm going to have fun with it. > > Ben > > In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:20:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > lol! > but would you have it any other way? > ;) > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:13 PM > Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together > > > > > > Actually, I'm not riding much at all : ) The Cherokee's > auto-exhaust-lubing > > rear main seal would double as barbecue starter. I've got a spare 360 > > waiting in the wings, but too many other "fires" to put out right now. > > > > Ben > > > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:03:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > > > what a bitter sweet ride you're having > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > Project '76 J-10 > > Project '96 XJ > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:52 PM > > Subject: fsj: Breaking up after 10 years together > > > > > > > For those of you keeping track of this stuff, I've broken up with my > '71 > > > Wagoneer. We had a good 10 years, but finally had to admit that our > > interests > > > had evolved in different directions and we no longer shared common > goals. > > The > > > Wag has gone to a good Jeep home and that has eased the seperation > > anxiety. > > > I'm currently captivated by a $500 '78 Cherokee Chief. I hope the > next > > 10 > > > years are as good as the last 10. > > > > > > Ben Williams > > > '71 Wagoneer - recently parted company > > > '78 Cherokee Chief - excited about the future, and no more guilt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:44:59 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: [db] fuel economy? I kind of like the size of the RAV4s and the Ford Escapes... I drove an Escape in Missouri when I taught a class there... it was ok... if I got one cheap enough... but my mileage was only about 18 or so, not impressive. I looked at a KJ this morning... it was ok, not impressive... I'd rather get another XJ... looking at the numbers again... thinking... enjoying the 124... The KJ is 16/20, the XJ about the same, my '87 was 17/21... my 124 consistently gets 30+ in town... even with gas prices at 1.89 and Diesel at 2.23, it still makes sense to drive a 124 Diesel... If I ditched everything I had, got one XJ or KJ and drove it, with the savings/costs all factored in for fuel and insurance, assuming no car payment, meaning I'd be buying "very" used... then to drive a gas rig that got 18mpg would cost me about $300/yr MORE than having my 124, my Jimmy/Willys and eventually my J10. Insurance costs almost make this work... If Diesel were priced as it has been historically we wouldn't be having this conversation at all... So, at this point the 124 looks to be the best value... will sell the Jimmy as soon as the Willys is ready, then sell the willys as soon as the J10 is done... so, it looks like it'll be the 124, the WJ and the J10, with the J10 trailer... other thoughts are bound to occur... have to... otherwise Orville Redenbacher would have to intervene. ;) john On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Alec Cordova wrote: >-->DC plans have changed. The Smart is not coming for at least another year or >-->two. >--> >-->According to a quick check on www.fueleconomy.gov, other than the Hybrid >-->Escape, the best mileage in what they list as the SUV Market Class is the >-->Subies. Subaru Forester and Outback AWD with flat 4 and automatic trannies >-->both rated at 22/28. Manuals rated a little higher. Behind the Subarus, The >-->Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4, both with 4WD and automatics, are rated at >-->22/27. >--> >-->Just imagine what these things could get with a modern little diesel. I'm >-->thinking high 20s city, mid 30s highway? >--> >-->Alec >--> >-->> -----Original Message----- >-->> From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->> [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Mike Frank >-->> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:46 AM >-->> To: diesel-benz list >-->> Subject: Re: [db] fuel economy? >-->> >-->> >-->> If you wait until next year, Mercedes is planning to import an >-->> SUV version >-->> of the Smart car.... >-->> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/91/super-size.html >-->> >-->> Mike Frank >-->> >-->> At 11:49 PM 2/7/2005, john wrote: >-->> >out of all the SUV's/AWD's... >-->> > with an automatic... >-->> > any make, or size... >-->> > >-->> >what are the most economical? >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:47:59 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] fuel economy? this is excellent input... 16 to 19 in town... was wondering about the ML series... and Seattle... cool. My 124 consistently gives 30 to 31mpg on the I-5 into Seattle commute... going from Seattle to Spokane I can almost hit 40mpg... :) My '87 XJ gave about 17mpg or better on a similar commute... my wife's '99 WJ is around 18 or so... haven't really taken it further than Leavenworth though... john On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->Well, as a single data point, my 2000 Mercedes ML320 >-->(gas, since they didn't offer a diesel) typically >-->gets around 23-24 mpg highway (often see 25-27 mpg >-->on longer highway trips), although it does drop down >-->to around 16-19 mpg in city (Seattle) commute traffic >-->(as it is subjected to each week by my wife). >--> >-->YMMV, of course. I know the EPA rating for the >-->ML320 (along with the numbers on the sticker when >-->we got it) show a much worse performance. >--> >-->-bkc >-->'76 MB 240D >-->'00 MB ML320 >--> >--> >-->On Mon Feb 07, 2005, john wrote: >-->> out of all the SUV's/AWD's... >-->> with an automatic... >-->> any make, or size... >-->> >-->> what are the most economical? >-->> >-->> it does NOT have to be a Jeep. ;) >-->> hey, I'd even consider a RAV4 at this point... >-->> >-->> >-->> btw, found a 2002 Liberty for under $10k... but >-->> it's rated at 16/20mpg ... looking tomorrow >-->> morning... >-->> >-->> the new CRD Liberty's with the 2.8L Diesel are going >-->> to leave the showroom with a price tag of $25k to >-->> $31K... :( but not with me... ;) >-->> >-->> john >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together ah yes... the wonderful world of FSJ's... I kind of miss mine... I can still see the stains in the driveway... ;) I am looking forward to having the best of the XJ and SJ in one rig... someday... May I live long enough to see it completed... ;) john On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >-->Actually, I'm not riding much at all : ) The Cherokee's auto-exhaust-lubing >-->rear main seal would double as barbecue starter. I've got a spare 360 >-->waiting in the wings, but too many other "fires" to put out right now. >--> >-->Ben >--> >--> >-->In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:03:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, >-->proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: >--> >-->what a bitter sweet ride you're having >--> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->Project '96 XJ >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: >-->To: >-->Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:52 PM >-->Subject: fsj: Breaking up after 10 years together >--> >--> >-->> For those of you keeping track of this stuff, I've broken up with my '71 >-->> Wagoneer. We had a good 10 years, but finally had to admit that our >-->interests >-->> had evolved in different directions and we no longer shared common goals. >-->The >-->> Wag has gone to a good Jeep home and that has eased the seperation >-->anxiety. >-->> I'm currently captivated by a $500 '78 Cherokee Chief. I hope the next >-->10 >-->> years are as good as the last 10. >-->> >-->> Ben Williams >-->> '71 Wagoneer - recently parted company >-->> '78 Cherokee Chief - excited about the future, and no more guilt >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:04:50 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together you know, I was tempted... I saw a '91 wagoneer for $1,500... and the gears started turning... that 6.2L Diesel into it... yes, yes, 18, maybe 20mpg... in an FSJ... only problem would be the tailgate... and of course finding the time to buy the engine hoist, and then the bigger problem of finding the time to actually use it. ;) john On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >-->Not a chance! >-->I'll miss the reliability of the Wagoneer and I never got tired of looking >-->at it, but I've wanted a nicely optioned Chief ever since they first came out >-->with them. As soon as I find time, I know I'm going to have fun with it. >--> >-->Ben >--> >-->In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:20:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, >-->proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: >--> >-->lol! >-->but would you have it any other way? >-->;) >--> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->Project '96 XJ >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: >-->To: ; >-->Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:13 PM >-->Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together >--> >--> >-->> >-->> Actually, I'm not riding much at all : ) The Cherokee's >-->auto-exhaust-lubing >-->> rear main seal would double as barbecue starter. I've got a spare 360 >-->> waiting in the wings, but too many other "fires" to put out right now. >-->> >-->> Ben >-->> >-->> >-->> In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:03:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, >-->> proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: >-->> >-->> what a bitter sweet ride you're having >-->> >-->> Neal A. Hoover >-->> Project '76 J-10 >-->> Project '96 XJ >-->> http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->> ----- Original Message ----- >-->> From: >-->> To: >-->> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:52 PM >-->> Subject: fsj: Breaking up after 10 years together >-->> >-->> >-->> > For those of you keeping track of this stuff, I've broken up with my >-->'71 >-->> > Wagoneer. We had a good 10 years, but finally had to admit that our >-->> interests >-->> > had evolved in different directions and we no longer shared common >-->goals. >-->> The >-->> > Wag has gone to a good Jeep home and that has eased the seperation >-->> anxiety. >-->> > I'm currently captivated by a $500 '78 Cherokee Chief. I hope the >-->next >-->> 10 >-->> > years are as good as the last 10. >-->> > >-->> > Ben Williams >-->> > '71 Wagoneer - recently parted company >-->> > '78 Cherokee Chief - excited about the future, and no more guilt >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:55:22 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together lol! i was talking about the engine swaps, etc.... ;) Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:23 AM Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together > > When I'm having fun with it I'll need both hands on the wheel and won't be > taking pictures! But, I'll bet I could get someone else to do it for me : ) > > Ben > > In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:42:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > i'm sure you will! > just take pics, wouldja? > ;) > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together > > > > > > Not a chance! > > I'll miss the reliability of the Wagoneer and I never got tired of looking > > at it, but I've wanted a nicely optioned Chief ever since they first came > out > > with them. As soon as I find time, I know I'm going to have fun with it. > > > > Ben > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:20:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > > > lol! > > but would you have it any other way? > > ;) > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > Project '76 J-10 > > Project '96 XJ > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I'm not riding much at all : ) The Cherokee's > > auto-exhaust-lubing > > > rear main seal would double as barbecue starter. I've got a spare 360 > > > waiting in the wings, but too many other "fires" to put out right > now. > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:03:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > > > > > what a bitter sweet ride you're having > > > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > > Project '76 J-10 > > > Project '96 XJ > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:52 PM > > > Subject: fsj: Breaking up after 10 years together > > > > > > > > > > For those of you keeping track of this stuff, I've broken up with my > > '71 > > > > Wagoneer. We had a good 10 years, but finally had to admit that > our > > > interests > > > > had evolved in different directions and we no longer shared common > > goals. > > > The > > > > Wag has gone to a good Jeep home and that has eased the seperation > > > anxiety. > > > > I'm currently captivated by a $500 '78 Cherokee Chief. I hope the > > next > > > 10 > > > > years are as good as the last 10. > > > > > > > > Ben Williams > > > > '71 Wagoneer - recently parted company > > > > '78 Cherokee Chief - excited about the future, and no more guilt > > > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/05 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:01:35 -0500 From: Chuck Balog Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #2358 Yucca Mountain http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/ymp/index.shtml DOE believes that they will be able to store waste safely there for 10,000 years. Of course, on that time frame, everything's theoretical. The big bonus is that it would centralize storage of waste in the US. Essentially, each reactor site is now becoming it's own repository, because they have nowhere to ship spent fuel. My wife's been there, and her boss is pushing for it. And he's a Dem. VERY controversial issue, though. Anyway, check out the site. Good reading there. For H production, check these out: http://www.nrel.gov/hydrogen/proj_production_delivery.html http://www.hydrogenus.com/h2-production.asp Looks like steam splittiing of natural gas is the way it's done now. I would guess that it's essentially treated as a minor offshoot of the oil refining process. Anyway, I got a C in chemistry in college, so I'm by no means anything other than "Internet knowledgable". Sorry for the thread hijack on energy issues. > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:54:28 -0600 > From: JeepNut stepped up to the soapbox and pronounced: > Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel Economy > > I see some very smart folks from time to time promoting nuclear > solutions, not only as Dan mentioned, but also for our electricity > generation needs in general. And of course they're right about the > advantages which are substantial, but they never seem to mention the > ever deadly downside. I'll admit to being unable to keep abreast of > EVERYTHING that goes on in life. I'm just too busy to Google every > topic known to man on a day-by-day basis, so let me ask the $1M question > in case something new has been developed.... > > What do you do with the waste from these plants? This waste that FAR > outlives any known method of containment that is environmentally > responsible? > > No offense meant to Dan or anyone else... Its just an academic question > because there may be something in the works to deal with it that I'm > unaware of... if they've come up with a reasonable answer to the > problem, (not put-it-in-a-rocketship-to-Mars solutions) then we've hit > the gold mine regarding power generation. > For what it's worth, I'm kind of excited about the prospect of the > hydrogen fuel options too. Fossil fuel burning is soooo 1970's...LOL... > but it didn't occur to me that the generation of the hydrogen cells > might consume about as much fossil fuel and create about as many > unwanted emissions as running the i/c engines does... it's another > really good question... > > Dan Black wrote: > > >Wow, sounds like that has awesome potential. They can hopefully > >continue to make hydrogen more efficient, and of course the emissions > >should be fewer and much less harmful. $250K really isn't bad > >considering the level of production -- once they advance the process > >more and mass-produce, costs will come way down. And they replace fuel > >pumps at gas stations every now and then anyway, so hopefully spreading > >the hydrogen stations won't be too expensive in the long run, either. > > > >I guess my main question is: Doesn't it still take enough oil and > >emissions at the hydrogen processing plant to make it equivalent or > >worse than gas for vehicles (right now, anyway)? I've heard the > >argument that the cleanest solution so far is batteries that are charged > >from nuclear power plants. Obviously, there are problems with those, > >like storing more power in the batteries, the weight and distribution of > >the batteries (have to swap them at the station since there's no way > >right now of charging the whole bank in a few minutes), etc. > > > >Face it, we need Mr. Fusion. > > > >Chuck Balog said: > >{- According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov , you've got several options. > >{- In the SUV category for 2005, the Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD is your > >{- vehicle. 33 city and 29 highway. I drove a regular Escape as a rental > >{- a while back, and it was pretty nice. > >{- > >{- Looks like the Saturn Vue and Subaru Forrester both get close to 30 > >{- highway, as well. > >{- > >{- On a related note, I got to drive GM's v3 Hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle > >{- the other day. My wife works on energy issues for a Congressman, and > >{- GM wanted her to try it out. So, I got to go and drive it, too. That > >{- vehicle gets around 250 miles on 4 kilos of H. Currently, H is around > >{- $3/kg. So, it's the equivalent of around 40mpg in a gas engine. Two > >{- major drawbacks, though. 1) the fuel cell is currently about $250K to > >{- manufacture and 2) it only lasts about 5000 hours (100K miles). It > >{- produces about 26 kilowatts, though. They equated it as enough > >{- electricity to power normal usage in around 10 3000sq ft homes at > >{- once. Of course, that could have been what's known as > >{- "lobbyist-speak", but I wouldn't know. > >{- > >{- Main obstacle to overcome is a network of fuel stations, but Shell > >{- just announced that it will soon be installing H at some of it's > >{- stations. GM's plan is to start on the DC/NY corridor as the end > >{- points for filling stations and once those are in place, start > >{- extending the line. The goal would be Boston to DC, and then spread > >{- from there. > >{- > >{- Anyway, an interesting topic and a great opportunity. I'll wait to see > >{- if they approach me about putting a fuel cell in my '91 GW. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:35:53 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together You really don't need a diesel to get good mileage, John. My '68 Catalina has a 400 under the hood and gets 22 mpg on the highway : ) Ben In a message dated 2/8/2005 11:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: you know, I was tempted... I saw a '91 wagoneer for $1,500... and the gears started turning... that 6.2L Diesel into it... yes, yes, 18, maybe 20mpg... in an FSJ... only problem would be the tailgate... and of course finding the time to buy the engine hoist, and then the bigger problem of finding the time to actually use it. ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:37:44 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together Oh yeah, I knew that. Right, sure, I'll take pictures of that fun. It is fun isn't it? Ben In a message dated 2/9/2005 3:49:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: lol! i was talking about the engine swaps, etc.... ;) Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:23 AM Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together > > When I'm having fun with it I'll need both hands on the wheel and won't be > taking pictures! But, I'll bet I could get someone else to do it for me : ) > > Ben > > In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:42:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > i'm sure you will! > just take pics, wouldja? > ;) > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together > > > > > > Not a chance! > > I'll miss the reliability of the Wagoneer and I never got tired of looking > > at it, but I've wanted a nicely optioned Chief ever since they first came > out > > with them. As soon as I find time, I know I'm going to have fun with it. > > > > Ben > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:20:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > > > lol! > > but would you have it any other way? > > ;) > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > Project '76 J-10 > > Project '96 XJ > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: ; > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Breaking up after 10 years together > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I'm not riding much at all : ) The Cherokee's > > auto-exhaust-lubing > > > rear main seal would double as barbecue starter. I've got a spare 360 > > > waiting in the wings, but too many other "fires" to put out right > now. > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:03:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > > > > > what a bitter sweet ride you're having > > > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > > Project '76 J-10 > > > Project '96 XJ > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:52 PM > > > Subject: fsj: Breaking up after 10 years together > > > > > > > > > > For those of you keeping track of this stuff, I've broken up with my > > '71 > > > > Wagoneer. We had a good 10 years, but finally had to admit that > our > > > interests > > > > had evolved in different directions and we no longer shared common > > goals. > > > The > > > > Wag has gone to a good Jeep home and that has eased the seperation > > > anxiety. > > > > I'm currently captivated by a $500 '78 Cherokee Chief. I hope the > > next > > > 10 > > > > years are as good as the last 10. > > > > > > > > Ben Williams > > > > '71 Wagoneer - recently parted company > > > > '78 Cherokee Chief - excited about the future, and no more guilt ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2359 **************************