From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Mar 5 23:54:49 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, March 6 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2380 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 fsj: Re: speedometers fsj: Re: JTruck.net - 4x4 Cars fsj: Re: Need help w/Quadra Trac Vacuum lines fsj: Re: JTruck.net - 4x4 Cars Re: fsj: Re: JTruck.net - 4x4 Cars Re: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 RE: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 RE: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 fsj: Re: Re: Need help w/Quadra Trac Vacuum lines RE: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 fsj: FWD: Comp cams going bad? fsj: eBay item 4532533352 '90 Grand Wagoneer RE: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:42:26 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 A: You already have the buckets if you have round headlights, but you'll need the rings (brand new ones for CJs should be the same) I'm going with the rectangular lights because I have a set of 55w/100w bulbs for the Hella lights I'm putting in for LOTS of light. (place that used to sell the bulbs went under a few years back and I scored a couple sets for my own use. The older trucks only had 2 headlights, and the extra holes had a panel over them for the horn (or military lights) to mount behind (check out http://www.m715zone.com ) there are a few extra tabs on the newer style, but not hard to remove... you'll need the headlight buckets, but otherwise it'll drop right in. :) john On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Kevin Bahm wrote: >-->Anyone know how tough it would be to modify an 83 j-20 to use a 60^Rs >-->gladiator or older j truck grill & headlights? >--> >-->I just like the look of the older style, 4 round headlights and smaller >-->grill. My yucky plastic grill is not going back on, so I^Rm looking for >-->alternatives. >--> >-->Kevin >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:25:03 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: speedometers Mine goes up to 140! (My stroker motor would be doing 3,552 RPM at that speed) Dan wrote: Uggh, looking at that speedometer made me realize that after you figure in the tires and gears, the speedometer on my '88 is now effectively an old-style 85mph one. Grrr. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:56:38 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: JTruck.net - 4x4 Cars On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: http://www.jtruck.net/misc/4x4cars/ I like the Benz... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 02:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Need help w/Quadra Trac Vacuum lines there might be info on the QT under the tech section of http://wagoneers.com/FSJ or http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS you'll have to drill down through the directories... I'm posting this to the fsj list as well, it seems to me one of my friends in florida has some of this stuff out there somewhere as well... but I'm pretty sure it's in the xfr case section on my site... "niu" northern illinois? john On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Neil Poston wrote: >-->Am rebuilding my '77 Cj7 with a 304 V-8 and an auto >-->tranny w/ Quadra-Trac. >--> >-->Inadvertently knocked the vacuum hoses off the ends of >-->the hi/lo vacuum selector switch (the one in the glove >-->box.) >--> >-->I'm screwed unless I can find the vacuum hose diagram >-->for it. There are 3 hoses, with two leads on the >-->2-oclock position of the bell housing (looking from >-->back to front) and a 3rd on the 10-oclock position. >-->There are 3 parallel nodes on the backside of the >-->switch... >--> >-->Any help? >--> >-->Thanx >--> >-->Neil Poston >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->__________________________________ >-->Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >-->Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >-->http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:15:29 -0800 From: "Kevin Bahm" Subject: fsj: Re: JTruck.net - 4x4 Cars I checked out "Max" at jtruck.net, I guess swapping in a gladiator grill is not an original concept. That explains why I've seen some mid-70s FSJs with the glad grill, and earlier ones with the full horizontal grill. Next question: when did they stop making the gladiator style grill? Just from browsing around photos of peoples rigs it seems to be late 60s or early 70s. Anyone know of a link to a site showing a year by year breakdown of the different models? And last Q: is there an aftermarket source for the glad style grill? Kevin - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:57 PM To: Jim Blair Cc: full size jeep list; xj-list; diesel-benz list Subject: fsj: Re: JTruck.net - 4x4 Cars On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: http://www.jtruck.net/misc/4x4cars/ I like the Benz... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:39:08 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: JTruck.net - 4x4 Cars the gladiator grille went on the pickups until either 67 or maybe as late as 69. on the wagoneers they went to the full grille around '67... maybe a year earlier, my son's '67 j3000 had the rhino chaser, my '67 wag had the full grille. yep, not a new idea... I saw Max at Ouray. JC and I have been friends for years... hmmm... haven't talked to him for some time, he's been real busy with a Linux s/w project. I'm gonna give him a call right now. :) john On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Kevin Bahm wrote: >-->I checked out "Max" at jtruck.net, I guess swapping in a gladiator grill is >-->not an original concept. That explains why I've seen some mid-70s FSJs with >-->the glad grill, and earlier ones with the full horizontal grill. >--> >-->Next question: when did they stop making the gladiator style grill? Just >-->from browsing around photos of peoples rigs it seems to be late 60s or early >-->70s. Anyone know of a link to a site showing a year by year breakdown of >-->the different models? And last Q: is there an aftermarket source for the >-->glad style grill? >--> >-->Kevin >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:57 PM >-->To: Jim Blair >-->Cc: full size jeep list; xj-list; diesel-benz list >-->Subject: fsj: Re: JTruck.net - 4x4 Cars >--> >-->On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->http://www.jtruck.net/misc/4x4cars/ >--> >-->I like the Benz... :) >--> >-->john >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 Also, if you have a factory transmission fluid cooler, it will need to be remounted or replaced with a different one because it will interfere with the rhino chaser grille. - -brad - --- Jim Blair wrote: > A: You already have the buckets if you have round > headlights, but you'll > need the rings (brand new ones for CJs should be the > same) I'm going with > the rectangular lights because I have a set of > 55w/100w bulbs for the Hella > lights I'm putting in for LOTS of light. (place that > used to sell the bulbs > went under a few years back and I scored a couple > sets for my own use. The > older trucks only had 2 headlights, and the extra > holes had a panel over > them for the horn (or military lights) to mount > behind (check out > http://www.m715zone.com ) > > > there are a few extra tabs on the newer style, but > not > hard to remove... you'll need the headlight buckets, > but otherwise it'll drop right in. :) > > john > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Kevin Bahm wrote: > > >-->Anyone know how tough it would be to modify an > 83 j-20 to use a 60^Rs > >-->gladiator or older j truck grill & headlights? > >--> > >-->I just like the look of the older style, 4 round > headlights and smaller > >-->grill. My yucky plastic grill is not going back > on, so I^Rm looking for > >-->alternatives. > >--> > >-->Kevin > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:22:22 -0800 From: "Kevin Bahm" Subject: RE: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 I was just checking out options for that. Just eyeballing it, seems like there is room to mount the cooler on the inside of the opening, up close to the radiator. Probably not as efficient there, and could also interfere with radiator air flow. Any thoughts on where the best location is? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Brad Seevers Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:36 AM To: Full Size Jeep List Subject: Re: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 Also, if you have a factory transmission fluid cooler, it will need to be remounted or replaced with a different one because it will interfere with the rhino chaser grille. - -brad - --- Jim Blair wrote: > A: You already have the buckets if you have round > headlights, but you'll > need the rings (brand new ones for CJs should be the > same) I'm going with > the rectangular lights because I have a set of > 55w/100w bulbs for the Hella > lights I'm putting in for LOTS of light. (place that > used to sell the bulbs > went under a few years back and I scored a couple > sets for my own use. The > older trucks only had 2 headlights, and the extra > holes had a panel over > them for the horn (or military lights) to mount > behind (check out > http://www.m715zone.com ) > > > there are a few extra tabs on the newer style, but > not > hard to remove... you'll need the headlight buckets, > but otherwise it'll drop right in. :) > > john > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Kevin Bahm wrote: > > >-->Anyone know how tough it would be to modify an > 83 j-20 to use a 60^Rs > >-->gladiator or older j truck grill & headlights? > >--> > >-->I just like the look of the older style, 4 round > headlights and smaller > >-->grill. My yucky plastic grill is not going back > on, so I^Rm looking for > >-->alternatives. > >--> > >-->Kevin > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:32:02 -0800 From: "Kevin Bahm" Subject: RE: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 I have the square headlights, I'll have to take it all apart and figure out whats what, and what I'll need to pull this off. First priority is getting the 401 in. I've got most of the parts here or on the way - just need to paint the block and start slapping stuff on it. :) Once it runs again, I'll tackle the face lift. Kevin - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Blair [mailto:carnuck1-at-msn.com] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:42 PM To: john; Kevin Bahm Cc: Full Size Jeep List Subject: Re: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 A: You already have the buckets if you have round headlights, but you'll need the rings (brand new ones for CJs should be the same) I'm going with the rectangular lights because I have a set of 55w/100w bulbs for the Hella lights I'm putting in for LOTS of light. (place that used to sell the bulbs went under a few years back and I scored a couple sets for my own use. The older trucks only had 2 headlights, and the extra holes had a panel over them for the horn (or military lights) to mount behind (check out http://www.m715zone.com ) there are a few extra tabs on the newer style, but not hard to remove... you'll need the headlight buckets, but otherwise it'll drop right in. :) john On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Kevin Bahm wrote: >-->Anyone know how tough it would be to modify an 83 j-20 to use a 60^Rs >-->gladiator or older j truck grill & headlights? >--> >-->I just like the look of the older style, 4 round headlights and smaller >-->grill. My yucky plastic grill is not going back on, so I^Rm looking for >-->alternatives. >--> >-->Kevin >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:04:27 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Need help w/Quadra Trac Vacuum lines A: They hosing is very simple. 1 line from the vacuum ball under the hood to the switch and the other 2 go to either of the vacuum ports on the Tcase. Worst case is you hook them up backwards. (Like mine was) there might be info on the QT under the tech section of http://wagoneers.com/FSJ or http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS you'll have to drill down through the directories... I'm posting this to the fsj list as well, it seems to me one of my friends in florida has some of this stuff out there somewhere as well... but I'm pretty sure it's in the xfr case section on my site... "niu" northern illinois? john On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Neil Poston wrote: >-->Am rebuilding my '77 Cj7 with a 304 V-8 and an auto >-->tranny w/ Quadra-Trac. >--> >-->Inadvertently knocked the vacuum hoses off the ends of >-->the hi/lo vacuum selector switch (the one in the glove >-->box.) >--> >-->I'm screwed unless I can find the vacuum hose diagram >-->for it. There are 3 hoses, with two leads on the >-->2-oclock position of the bell housing (looking from >-->back to front) and a 3rd on the 10-oclock position. >-->There are 3 parallel nodes on the backside of the >-->switch... >--> >-->Any help? >--> >-->Thanx >--> >-->Neil Poston ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:22:01 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Seevers Subject: RE: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 If you have air conditioning, I'm not sure you can move it enough. I have just eyeballed it as well, but have considered the swap. I think the holes in the grille apron for the headlight buckets are larger on the jeeps with square headlights?? I think I have read where people said they were bigger, but were able to pretty easily fab up the mounts?? - --- Kevin Bahm wrote: > I was just checking out options for that. Just > eyeballing it, seems like > there is room to mount the cooler on the inside of > the opening, up close to > the radiator. Probably not as efficient there, and > could also interfere > with radiator air flow. Any thoughts on where the > best location is? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Brad > Seevers > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:36 AM > To: Full Size Jeep List > Subject: Re: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 > > Also, if you have a factory transmission fluid > cooler, > it will need to be remounted or replaced with a > different one because it will interfere with the > rhino > chaser grille. > > -brad > > --- Jim Blair wrote: > > A: You already have the buckets if you have round > > headlights, but you'll > > need the rings (brand new ones for CJs should be > the > > same) I'm going with > > the rectangular lights because I have a set of > > 55w/100w bulbs for the Hella > > lights I'm putting in for LOTS of light. (place > that > > used to sell the bulbs > > went under a few years back and I scored a couple > > sets for my own use. The > > older trucks only had 2 headlights, and the extra > > holes had a panel over > > them for the horn (or military lights) to mount > > behind (check out > > http://www.m715zone.com ) > > > > > > there are a few extra tabs on the newer style, but > > not > > hard to remove... you'll need the headlight > buckets, > > but otherwise it'll drop right in. :) > > > > john > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Kevin Bahm wrote: > > > > >-->Anyone know how tough it would be to modify an > > 83 j-20 to use a 60^Rs > > >-->gladiator or older j truck grill & headlights? > > >--> > > >-->I just like the look of the older style, 4 > round > > headlights and smaller > > >-->grill. My yucky plastic grill is not going > back > > on, so I^Rm looking for > > >-->alternatives. > > >--> > > >-->Kevin > > >--> > > > > ---- > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > > http://freegift.net ** > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > > rust, they mold. > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:45:15 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: FWD: Comp cams going bad? A: Passing this on so no-one else gets burnt. To: mail-at-amc-list.com Subject: Distributor and cam gears Message-ID: From: "Nick P Alfano" Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:14:22 -0600 Marty, If you have the matched gears that were on the engine and they are in good shape, I would use them. The key thing here is that they are a matched set that has ran together in the past so the wear pattern is the same. Make sure the geometry and end play is the same and you should be fine. Just don't mix used gears. Crown has had a problem with their gears off and on for years now. I don't think I would use a set again until they have been trouble free for a few years. On another note, a machine shop in town had another Comp cam go bad just after the break in period. It was in a fresh 360 with a Comp hydraulic cam, Comp lifters and matching Comp single springs. After about 45 minutes of run time, the cam was completely destroyed. Every lobe but 2, wiped out. 3 lifters were mushroomed so bad they had to be pushed down into the cam journal valley to get them out. The bearings and crank were both all gouged up forcing the crank to be turned 20/20. They had to completely rebuild the engine again. Comps response, the EPA does not allow us to use the same hardening process anymore so our cams are not hardened as well as they used to be. They refused to pay for any of the damage and only said that they may replace the cam and lifters. Nick Alfano ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:46:54 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: eBay item 4532533352 '90 Grand Wagoneer http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6284&item=4532533352&rd=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:48:22 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: RE: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 Hey Brad, You are right (of course). To fit the square headlights they changed the headlight hole...not that big of a problem, but with the chrome rings, you can see a gap on the outside of the rings (so, I'm saying the headlight hole is larger than the ring, in some places.) Also, the turnsignals are mounted in the plastic grill, aren't they? It seems there was some issue with them... I procured all the pieces to convert my (long-gone) '79 wag (sq headlights). I never did the swap. But, what I thought was the best bet was to just get a new front section that holds the headlights, grill, turnsignals (I had one...but just gave it away). For what it's worth...I've still got my old grill, headlight buckets, rings (I never got the faux vent covers). But...no jeep. So, if anyone wants to buy this stuff...let me know. Greg Loxtercamp Mpls, MN - --- Brad Seevers wrote: > If you have air conditioning, I'm not sure you can > move it enough. I have just eyeballed it as well, but > have considered the swap. > > I think the holes in the grille apron for the > headlight buckets are larger on the jeeps with square > headlights?? I think I have read where people said > they were bigger, but were able to pretty easily fab > up the mounts?? > > > --- Kevin Bahm wrote: > > I was just checking out options for that. Just > > eyeballing it, seems like > > there is room to mount the cooler on the inside of > > the opening, up close to > > the radiator. Probably not as efficient there, and > > could also interfere > > with radiator air flow. Any thoughts on where the > > best location is? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > > [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Brad > > Seevers > > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:36 AM > > To: Full Size Jeep List > > Subject: Re: fsj: Gladiator style grill for j-20 > > > > Also, if you have a factory transmission fluid > > cooler, > > it will need to be remounted or replaced with a > > different one because it will interfere with the > > rhino > > chaser grille. > > > > -brad > > > > --- Jim Blair wrote: > > > A: You already have the buckets if you have round > > > headlights, but you'll > > > need the rings (brand new ones for CJs should be > > the > > > same) I'm going with > > > the rectangular lights because I have a set of > > > 55w/100w bulbs for the Hella > > > lights I'm putting in for LOTS of light. (place > > that > > > used to sell the bulbs > > > went under a few years back and I scored a couple > > > sets for my own use. The > > > older trucks only had 2 headlights, and the extra > > > holes had a panel over > > > them for the horn (or military lights) to mount > > > behind (check out > > > http://www.m715zone.com ) > > > > > > > > > there are a few extra tabs on the newer style, but > > > not > > > hard to remove... you'll need the headlight > > buckets, > > > but otherwise it'll drop right in. :) > > > > > > john > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Kevin Bahm wrote: > > > > > > >-->Anyone know how tough it would be to modify an > > > 83 j-20 to use a 60^Rs > > > >-->gladiator or older j truck grill & headlights? > > > >--> > > > >-->I just like the look of the older style, 4 > > round > > > headlights and smaller > > > >-->grill. My yucky plastic grill is not going > > back > > > on, so I^Rm looking for > > > >-->alternatives. > > > >--> > > > >-->Kevin > > > >--> > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > > > http://freegift.net ** > > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > > > rust, they mold. > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! 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