From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Oct 12 10:02:33 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, October 12 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2521 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: 20 inches of snow? fsj: Re: manifold question to split or not to split? :) fsj: RE: xj: Steering Wheel question? fsj: Re: xj: Re: Steering Wheel question? fsj: Re: [db] 20 inches of snow? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: 20 inches of snow? looks like Colorado is getting dumped on... a friend just made it back from Illinois with a "new" car too... perfect timing. :) funny piece in netscape news though: ``We've got people out trying out the four-wheel-drive vehicles, and they're finding out they don't work very well,'' spokesman Steve Sperry said. it's the driver... not the vehicle... :) (of course if it's a Jeep it's both. ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: manifold question to split or not to split? :) Curtis, yes, it does help, thanx... but I think with Diesels having copius amounts of air is what is important... having the divider in the middle would seem to me to create a restriction. I know it's useful for low end torque on a gas engine, but I'm not convinced that it applies to a Diesel... I could be wrong. I don't think turbulence is an issue with a Diesel, they have higher compression so they draw more air and do so with more gusto... I will put this to the lists as well and see if the idea of air induction for gas is the same as for a Diesel. I'm undecided, I know it makes a big difference on a gas engine to get the flow just right, important for vaporization and smooth "pulses"... but on a Diesel it's like a big vacuum pump and I'm thinking that divider offers too much restriction... On american Diesels I've seen significant performance and economy gains by opening things up... and since 6.2 is american... ;) hey guys, what's better the split manifold or one big opening? :) john On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Curtis wrote: > -->Hi John, > --> > -->I would go with the one with the divider (Dual plane) in it as it should > -->have better/wider torque band. Being a street diesel that could be > -->important. ;) > -->The other one is a single plane. Good for high rpm use. Maybe even turbo > -->use, but your economy and low end torque would suffer either way. > --> > -->If I remember correctly, the dynamics of air induction are similar > -->regardless whether gas or diesel. The idea is to fill the chamber as > -->efficiently as possible without causing undue restriction. The small intake > -->runners create better low end torque, while the big runners create lots of > -->flow, good for the top end of the rpm range, and they create > -->unusable/unwanted turbulance at low rpm's too. That is the reason for dual > -->plane manifolds. A compromise. Half the runners are smaller and half > -->bigger. In essence fooling the motor into thinking it is two motors. Half > -->boosting low end torque and half adding to the top end. > --> > -->Hope this helps. > --> > -->Curtis > --> > --> > -->john wrote: > -->> trying to figure out which manifold will allow the 6.2L to breath > -->> better, > -->> check these out and email asap: > -->> > -->> smooth opening: > -->> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6566296905&category=588 > -->> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6566297231&fromMakeTrack=true > -->> > -->> > -->> split in middle: > -->> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6519806633&category=588 > -->> > -->> > -->> misc article, shows the split setup... (Non-egr) > -->> http://www.fourwheeler.com/projectbuild/7914/ > -->> > -->> > -->> I'm thinking that the smooth opening one will flow better... they're > -->> also > -->> cheaper... > -->> thoughts? > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: xj: Steering Wheel question? On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Okiebinder wrote: >-->John, >-->Thanks for the pic of the torx bolts. Any idea what size those are. The >-->set of drivers I have for torx are all smaller and female, so I will need to >-->get something to fit those bolts. a 12pt 6mm socket will work, I think... otherwise it's a T-15 external... I think... going from memory... flawed, don't trust it... ;) >-->Would you happen to have an extra window crank in blue like the Jeep in the >-->photo has? :-} or a source for one. nope, some of the help sections at parts stores might have a black one that will work. :) >-->So here is my shopping list so far... >-->Lock tight thread locker >-->Steering wheel puller add the plate tool to depress the plate to pull that little snap ring thing... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Tilt-Column-Repair/ >-->and what ever size torx those bolts are. found the picture of the tool I used http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Tilt-Column-Repair/P1010016.JPG looks like a 12pt 7mm these are from a '77 Wagoneer, but it's very similar... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Tilt-Column-Repair/all-pix.html >-->I have a pretty good set of tools, but I normally work on cars (75 Scout 67 >-->Mustang) that are all ASE not metric. However that seems to be changing >-->more all the time. (87 Jeep, 90 Metro, newer Olds, and 01 Yukon XL). 1/4 inch 12pt might work >--> >-->ED.... Thanks for the great photos. Gives me an idea of what I am in >-->for...lots of parts to remember where they go and in what order. >--> >-->David >--> >-->> -----Original Message----- >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >-->> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:33 PM >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net >-->> Subject: Re: xj: Steering Wheel question? >-->> >-->> >-->> steer me straight... groan... didn't see that the first time... >-->> anyway, here's the top two torx bolts: >-->> >-->> http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/XJ-tilt-column/top2bolts-tilt.jpg >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Steering Wheel question? I actually created links to both directories... one of these days I'll figure out a way of organizing my site. ;) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Tilt-Column-Repair/ http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech/XJ-tilt-column john On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Jesse Barbieri wrote: >-->You might want to look here >--> >--> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Tilt-Column-Repair/ >--> >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "Okiebinder" >-->To: >-->Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:43 PM >-->Subject: xj: Steering Wheel question? >--> >--> >-->> Steer me straight..... >-->> >-->> This is on a 87 XJ. The steering wheel has side to side play. Not >-->turning >-->> side to side, steering still feels tight. The play is much like you get >-->> from the tilt column up and down when it is locked in position. The play >-->is >-->> at the same point as the play up and down at the tilt point, but it also >-->> pivots side to side. Anyone have this trouble before? >-->> >-->> My questions are these..... What do you think is causing this play? Is it >-->> just something loose in the column?.... or a broken part inside? I want >-->to >-->> jump in and fix this but I am looking for guidance as to what to expect as >-->> far as parts needed and any special tools required for working in this >-->area. >-->> I would like to fix it this weekend, it just does not "feel" safe and I >-->> don't want to drive it in this condition. >-->> >-->> Thanks for any advise you guys can provide. A link to photos of the >-->repair >-->> process would be very nice. If there are not any maybe I can provide John >-->> with a write up after I do the job. >-->> >-->> David Bierschank >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] 20 inches of snow? On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->That's the one thing I miss living here in the >-->Seattle area: snow. It's just not the same having >-->to drive to the snow as it is having it right >-->outside your door. >--> >-->Granted, I don't want 16 feet of it, but a few >-->two-footer storms spaced over the winter season >-->would be nice... :) where were you in '96??? http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/escape.html note carefully the full size jeep with 2" of lift and larger tires: http://www.wagoneers.com/.images/halfway.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/.images/saturdaydrive.jpg you missed all the fun, roofs collapsing, boats sinking, semi's getting stuck... http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/18wheels.html >-->(And might cull out some of the worst drivers...) not a chance... ;) >--> >-->-bkc >-->Lynnwood, WA >-->'76 MB 240D/W115.117/616.916 >-->'00 MB ML320/W163.154/M112.942 >-->'93 MB 300D/W124.128/602.962 >--> >-->On Tue Oct 11, 2005, john wrote: >-->> >-->> you got that right... 4wd is great for getting going, >-->> but stopping is the exciting part... tires make all the difference in >-->> the world at that point... >-->> >-->> I'll go up a mountain or hill as fast as I can, but coming down little >-->> old ladies are likely to pass me. ;) (hopefully NOT with the brake pedal >-->> to the floor... :) >-->> >-->> ah yes, looking forward to at least one Seattle snow... might happen >-->> this year... only had one last year... in January I think... >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2521 **************************