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fsj-digest Wednesday, November 22 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2739
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
fsj: Re: Turbo diesel for a Jeep
Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
fsj: FW: Seller Special: 20 cent Listings - one day only!
fsj: Re: 3 speed transmission
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:29:28 +0000
From: "michel balea" <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
From: john
french design forgets one little thing that both the americans and germans
go way overboard on... "safety margin". their designs are often quite
elegant
and if the loads exceed their design... snap. over-engineering is not a bad
thing.
Re: German really go overboard..... i surfed web sites/ studied: 94 Bmw, 79
MB.... to help friends...
your whole life is dependent upon a chip..... engine and trannies..... i was
on a auto tech board until last month when they required proof of techn w
shop and registration number... so this is off... but the things are
read.... really make you steer away from anything modern..... I like the
reset system on the bimmer to reset the fuzzy logic for the oil change....
but what a headache... especially when the techs forgot to reset the
light... so here you go another 60 minutes wasted to go to the shop.... i
know you need to connect pin x and pin y... but if I fried the $$$$ cpu.....
not my cup of tea
I really enjoy FSJ.... don't care about EFI... i have a spare fuel pump for
the 74.... add a spare distributor/brain box for the 85.... and some feet of
gas line... and a 2 gallon gas can..... no worries.... I toyed w the
4runners... but mileage is not that better.... (i.e) at least 30 mpg would
be a cutting point for my next recreational vehicle....
cheers
Michel
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:10:20 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: Turbo diesel for a Jeep
way cool... how much?
I'm putting a 6.2L /700r4 into my '83 J10... next year it's emissions exempt.
john
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Stephen Cahill wrote:
> -->Hello John
> -->I am a new guy to the digest.Thought I better share what I want to do to a
> -->Grand Wagoneer.
> -->Put a brand new inline 4 turbo diesel, turbo charged with intercooler.
> -->Engine weigh is 450 /500 LB
> -->135 HP
> -->277 FT LB of torque at 1400 RPM
> -->Max RPM is 3800 RPM.
> -->Have an adapter built by Advance Adapters that allows the engine to be used
> -->with ant GM transmission that bolts to a V-8 350 CI.
> -->
> -->You say who makes such a beast, International Engines of South America.
> -->Who imports them into North America, my company
> -->
> -->Only 1 drawback is they are non EPA compliant in the USA. Which means they
> -->are for off road use only or for vehicles over 25 to 30 years of age.
> -->
> -->I ship direct from the factory in Canoas Brazil. Been shipping them for 4
> -->years to 4 continents.
> -->
> -->Stephen Cahill
> -->
> -->--
> -->Stephen Cahill
> -->Old British Wheels Canada LTD.
> -->Dartmouth Nova Scotia
> -->Canada
> -->902 229 3778
> -->
> -->
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:15:54 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
Was that an auto or stick? The dealer still had the standard one in stock
for $45 here with the harness in '01 (and didn't know it. It was actually
for the 4.0L but it worked fine)
The CPU is under the dash and there isn't much in the setup under the
ignition coil (which is also the same as 4.0l)
From: "michel balea" <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
unobtanium is the first problem and diagnosticum the second for those french
stuff -as i was surfing on euro site to get some feel about diagnostics....
even the XJ is different in the 4 cyl version.... the electronic failure is
reported as one of the #1 reason for tow calls, in France..... But Jim was
right on w the faulty ground and dirty connectors... i cleaned and replug
most of the engine compartment sensors... and it has been good so far....
the longest trip being 40 miles.... and we had some hot weather here....
last week it was almost 70'ish
Playing w my daughter's 1990 YJ, has been an experience.... first the haynes
is useless for checking just the coil primary.... wrong directions, then as
said....in a few years parts hunting will make it challenging when the big
parts will fail.... fancy coil coupled to some CPU, not talking about the
ECU alone.... (took the local place 1 week to get the CPS)
for a DD, sorry to say, but a good jap car is the most reliable.... not
necessarily fun.... I got the other daughter a civic... and she is very
happy (31mpg) the wrangler was barely 17mpg.... I managed 21 on the freeway
on 3 tanks of gas.... but i am the one who can do 17, and18.5 (on a flate
stretch of I-5 between Sacramento and the grapevine) which was the same
route.
Cheers
Michel
74 wag
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:32:00 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
my '85 xj had the weak 5 speed
john
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Jim Blair wrote:
> -->Was that an auto or stick? The dealer still had the standard one in stock
> -->for $45 here with the harness in '01 (and didn't know it. It was actually
> -->for the 4.0L but it worked fine)
> --> The CPU is under the dash and there isn't much in the setup under the
> -->ignition coil (which is also the same as 4.0l)
> -->
> -->
> -->From: "michel balea" <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
> -->Subject: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
> -->
> -->unobtanium is the first problem and diagnosticum the second for those french
> -->stuff -as i was surfing on euro site to get some feel about diagnostics....
> -->even the XJ is different in the 4 cyl version.... the electronic failure is
> -->reported as one of the #1 reason for tow calls, in France..... But Jim was
> -->right on w the faulty ground and dirty connectors... i cleaned and replug
> -->most of the engine compartment sensors... and it has been good so far....
> -->the longest trip being 40 miles.... and we had some hot weather here....
> -->last week it was almost 70'ish
> -->
> -->Playing w my daughter's 1990 YJ, has been an experience.... first the haynes
> -->is useless for checking just the coil primary.... wrong directions, then as
> -->said....in a few years parts hunting will make it challenging when the big
> -->parts will fail.... fancy coil coupled to some CPU, not talking about the
> -->ECU alone.... (took the local place 1 week to get the CPS)
> -->
> -->for a DD, sorry to say, but a good jap car is the most reliable.... not
> -->necessarily fun.... I got the other daughter a civic... and she is very
> -->happy (31mpg) the wrangler was barely 17mpg.... I managed 21 on the freeway
> -->on 3 tanks of gas.... but i am the one who can do 17, and18.5 (on a flate
> -->stretch of I-5 between Sacramento and the grapevine) which was the same
> -->route.
> -->
> -->Cheers
> -->
> -->Michel
> -->74 wag
> -->
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:32:11 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
A: A quick alternator fix is to dump the Paris Rhone in the Paris Rhine (I
made a pun-ny!) and run a 1 wire AC Delco setup. I did a LOT of those on
Hyundai Stellars and Ponies in Canada (essentially early RWD Dodge Colt with
Audi 4000 and late model RWD Colt body styling sheet metal respectively)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
my '85 xj with the Renault 2.1L TD ate alternators... it had a number of
issues,
but overall did well... but couldn't tow it's own shadow... :) 26mpg in
town,
32mpg on the road... respectable... awesome off-road.
john
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:36:17 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
AX-5 or BA 10/5? There is an upgrade for the AX-5 (An AX-15 from a Dodge
Dakota with AMC 2.5L 4 cyl)
my '85 xj had the weak 5 speed
john
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Jim Blair wrote:
>-->Was that an auto or stick? The dealer still had the standard one in
>stock
>-->for $45 here with the harness in '01 (and didn't know it. It was
>actually
>-->for the 4.0L but it worked fine)
>--> The CPU is under the dash and there isn't much in the setup under the
>-->ignition coil (which is also the same as 4.0l)
>-->
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:50:17 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
the proper solution was to get the Bosch version...
john
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Jim Blair wrote:
> -->A: A quick alternator fix is to dump the Paris Rhone in the Paris Rhine (I
> -->made a pun-ny!) and run a 1 wire AC Delco setup. I did a LOT of those on
> -->Hyundai Stellars and Ponies in Canada (essentially early RWD Dodge Colt with
> -->Audi 4000 and late model RWD Colt body styling sheet metal respectively)
> -->
> -->
> -->From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
> -->Subject: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
> -->
> -->my '85 xj with the Renault 2.1L TD ate alternators... it had a number of
> -->issues,
> -->but overall did well... but couldn't tow it's own shadow... :) 26mpg in
> -->town,
> -->32mpg on the road... respectable... awesome off-road.
> -->
> -->john
> -->
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:53:59 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
it's been 14 years Jim... all I know is it rattled in neutral unless
I put the clutch in... it was a 5 speed with a hydraulic cylinder...
I may still have the shop manual...
john
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Jim Blair wrote:
> -->AX-5 or BA 10/5? There is an upgrade for the AX-5 (An AX-15 from a Dodge
> -->Dakota with AMC 2.5L 4 cyl)
> -->
> -->
> -->my '85 xj had the weak 5 speed
> -->
> -->john
> -->
> -->On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Jim Blair wrote:
> -->
> -->> -->Was that an auto or stick? The dealer still had the standard one in
> -->>stock
> -->> -->for $45 here with the harness in '01 (and didn't know it. It was
> -->>actually
> -->> -->for the 4.0L but it worked fine)
> -->> --> The CPU is under the dash and there isn't much in the setup under the
> -->> -->ignition coil (which is also the same as 4.0l)
> -->> -->
> -->
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:48:39 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: Turbo Diesel XJ
No no no no! That's supposed to read Bo$ch version! GM alternators are
stronger, easier to find if you do cack one (water crossing anyone?) so
what's not to like? I recall a trip from CA to WA that would've taken a few
more days if it weren't for the ease of finding such a part easily!
the proper solution was to get the Bosch version...
john
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From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: FW: Seller Special: 20 cent Listings - one day only!
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:11:18 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: 3 speed transmission
A: Taller tires help (unless you have 2.72 gears, in which case power may
drop) Having a properly built lockup trans will feel like an overdrive by
comparison (I had the 999 auto in my '83 Cherokee with lockup and I cruised
up to 80 mph on the long stretches between cities on I-5 a few years back)
Having the lockup moved to 55 mph (takes a new spring that costs -at- $5) helps
a lot too. Then you can run a mild stall converter.
There are 2 autotrans that will bolt to the motor than have O/D. One is
the AW4 which is fairly stout and available in 23 spline after '91 in
Cherokees (and early '93 Grand Cherokees) with the 4.0L.
There are several things that need to be done in order to run it though.
#1: It is computer controlled so you need to either wire in the computer
(I'm doing that, but I also have a 4.0L motor with wiring harness awaiting
me to have time to assemble it. I may actually get to look at my truck today
if the waters aren't over the road again. I have 3 days off and my Comanche
desperately needs work done before winter! It's getting an AW4 too so my
wife can drive it) and sensors (such as the throttle position sensor with
the auto trans connector)
OR
#1A: The other option is to make the trans into a manually controlled unit.
http://aw4shifting.com makes a kit to use what looks like a joystick to
shift the trans.
#2: You need to use the 4.0L flexplate and starter as well as bellhousing
bolts and converter bolts to attach the trans, BUT if you have a 360 (that
hasn't been rebuilt special to be zero balanced) or any other AMC V8 made
since 1970, then you need to have the flexplate "balance weight" matched
from the original V8 flexplate. (sub note: If you have a late model
reduction drive starter, it's supposed to be the same as the 4.0L one)
#3: What tcase will you use? If you plan on an FSJ one, then you have to use
a D300 tcase clocking ring that is THICK (mine is 7/8" plus gaskets) and the
trans must be newer than 08/'90 for 23 spline.
#4: The motor and trans are now mated up and you need to deal with shift
linkages, trans cooler lines and driveshafts. (IIRC, the AW4 is 3.5" longer
than the 727 plus the 7/8" spacer, but double check to be sure as I have a
damaged memory) I'm looking for a Comanche automatic tilt steering column
('87 to '91 only) to test fit in my J10 before I put it into my Comanche I
am converting.
#5: Almost forgot this one! A longer speedo cable will be needed to reach
the tcase. AW4 uses Dexron fluid and not $pecial Mopar fluid. There is also
a Lexus 6, 7 and 8 speed version of this trans that one of the AMC-list guys
is building to run behind his turbo 401+ V8 setup (double overdrive)
Another "bolt in" option is a 42RE from a Grand Cherokee 6 cyl, but it's
computer controlled (I looked into modding the one I had to work in my '73
J4000, but decided it was too weak to bother) The 727 flexplate from a late
model GW should work with it or a 999 from a TJ (also computer controlled
after '93)
The other option is an early 700R4 (hydraulic controlled, often found behind
GM diesels) with adapters. Aside from these, there isn't too much you can
do. (I designed an O/D unit that would work but don't have the $100,000 or
so it would take to make a bunch of prototypes to test)
3 speed transmission
Posted by: "woodstercj5" woodstercj5-at-yahoo.com woodstercj5
Date: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:50 am ((PST))
I have a 90 GW with the 3 speed transmission and I'm concerned about
running interstate speeds. I've been keeping it at 60 mph on my daily
commute and I've gotten several one finger salutes from impatient
commuters. Does anyone have a tach hooked up to know what rpm's the
360 is running at say 70 mph. I don't want to blow my woody up, but I
don't want to get run over either! Also, is there a transmission with
an overdrive that could be swapped out without much difficulty?
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