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fsj-digest Friday, June 8 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2864
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:
fsj: Re: Another question...
RE: fsj: Re: Another question...
fsj: Re: FW: [FSJ-List
RE: fsj: Re: FW: [FSJ-List
fsj: onion oil??? really?
RE: fsj: onion oil??? really?
RE: fsj: onion oil??? really?
RE: fsj: onion oil??? really?
fsj: j-truck hitch?
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: Another question...
it's possible your switch is bad or the contacts corroded...
post to the list. :)
john
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, John Pettit wrote:
# John,
#
# I have another question for you if you have some time.
#
# I am trying to fix the front driver's side window. It won't roll up or down - I guess the motor is broken. My only other thought is that it isn't getting electricity to the motor - but the other windows work fine.
#
# I took off the door panel, but it's really hard to get the entire motor off. Do you have any suggestions? Do I really have to take off the whole thing? It seems kind of impossible ;-)
#
# Here's a picture that I found on your site.
#
# http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/85GW-Parting/InteriorParts/passsidepwrwindow-85gw.jpg
#
# I'm wondering if I can just replace the 'rusted' part?
#
# John
#
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:44:57 +0000
From: "michel balea" <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Another question...
as john said, the switch(s) will go bad... but first check the ground... or
a fast way is to connect (+) and (-) from a fused battery feed to the motor
connector
Michel
74 wag
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Reply-To: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
To: John Pettit <john-at-johnboyproductions.com>
CC: full size jeep list <fsj-at-digest.net>
Subject: fsj: Re: Another question...
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
it's possible your switch is bad or the contacts corroded...
post to the list. :)
john
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, John Pettit wrote:
# John,
#
# I have another question for you if you have some time.
#
# I am trying to fix the front driver's side window. It won't roll up or
down - I guess the motor is broken. My only other thought is that it isn't
getting electricity to the motor - but the other windows work fine.
#
# I took off the door panel, but it's really hard to get the entire motor
off. Do you have any suggestions? Do I really have to take off the whole
thing? It seems kind of impossible ;-)
#
# Here's a picture that I found on your site.
#
#
http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/85GW-Parting/InteriorParts/passsidepwrwindow-85gw.jpg
#
# I'm wondering if I can just replace the 'rusted' part?
#
# John
#
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:10:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: FW: [FSJ-List
expecting 18 to 20 mpg out of a 6.2L Diesel in my Grand Wagoneer.
My GMC Jimmys consistently got around 18 to 20 in commutes, would
drop to 16 when towing in the mountains.
However, since Diesel fuel is cheaper, AND I have over 300 gallons
of veggie oil, I don't care if it only gets 10 mpg, it's a free ride,
and a Diesel... how cool is that?
Diesels rule, gas stinks.
(propane stinks worse. ;)
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
#
# There are a number of recent posts on the list about diesel conversions
# getting less than 20 mpg highway.
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:06:59 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: FW: [FSJ-List
Propane wouldn't stink at all if they didn't put onion oil in it for smell
so you can find leaks easier!
expecting 18 to 20 mpg out of a 6.2L Diesel in my Grand
Wagoneer.
My GMC Jimmys consistently got around 18 to 20 in commutes,
would
drop to 16 when towing in the mountains.
However, since Diesel fuel is cheaper, AND I have over 300
gallons
of veggie oil, I don't care if it only gets 10 mpg, it's a free
ride,
and a Diesel... how cool is that?
Diesels rule, gas stinks.
(propane stinks worse. ;)
----
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they
mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
#
# There are a number of recent posts on the list about diesel
conversions
# getting less than 20 mpg highway.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: onion oil??? really?
onion oil?
well, that explains a few things... always wondered why
I had an allergic reaction to propane, now I know... dang.
they give it some fancy name for what the smell is... of course
Jim could be all wet, but nonetheless if I get a good whiff of
propane I have a bad reaction... :(
still use it for cutting metal, cooking steak and burning out
wasps, heating metal, etc... just the raw propane smell gets me...
the other thing I don't like about propane is it's got less
energy than gas so you lose power and economy... and the tanks
and refueling are somewhat inconvenient.
john
-----
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
# Propane wouldn't stink at all if they didn't put onion oil in it for smell
so
# you can find leaks easier!
#
#
#
# expecting 18 to 20 mpg out of a 6.2L Diesel in my Grand
# Wagoneer.
#
# My GMC Jimmys consistently got around 18 to 20 in commutes,
# would
# drop to 16 when towing in the mountains.
#
# However, since Diesel fuel is cheaper, AND I have over 300
# gallons
# of veggie oil, I don't care if it only gets 10 mpg, it's a free
# ride,
# and a Diesel... how cool is that?
#
# Diesels rule, gas stinks.
# (propane stinks worse. ;)
#
# ----
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they
# mold
# http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
#
# #
# # There are a number of recent posts on the list about diesel
# conversions
# # getting less than 20 mpg highway.
#
# _________________________________________________________________
# Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now^Vit's FREE!
# http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1
#
#
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:17:48 +0000
From: "michel balea" <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: onion oil??? really?
technically they are called mercaptan... very close rotten eggs or H2S, but
not as noxious.
Michel
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Reply-To: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
To: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
CC: fsj-at-digest.net
Subject: fsj: onion oil??? really?
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
onion oil?
well, that explains a few things... always wondered why
I had an allergic reaction to propane, now I know... dang.
they give it some fancy name for what the smell is... of course
Jim could be all wet, but nonetheless if I get a good whiff of
propane I have a bad reaction... :(
still use it for cutting metal, cooking steak and burning out
wasps, heating metal, etc... just the raw propane smell gets me...
the other thing I don't like about propane is it's got less
energy than gas so you lose power and economy... and the tanks
and refueling are somewhat inconvenient.
john
-----
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
# Propane wouldn't stink at all if they didn't put onion oil in it for
smell
so
# you can find leaks easier!
#
#
#
# expecting 18 to 20 mpg out of a 6.2L Diesel in my Grand
# Wagoneer.
#
# My GMC Jimmys consistently got around 18 to 20 in commutes,
# would
# drop to 16 when towing in the mountains.
#
# However, since Diesel fuel is cheaper, AND I have over 300
# gallons
# of veggie oil, I don't care if it only gets 10 mpg, it's a free
# ride,
# and a Diesel... how cool is that?
#
# Diesels rule, gas stinks.
# (propane stinks worse. ;)
#
# ----
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they
# mold
# http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
#
# #
# # There are a number of recent posts on the list about diesel
# conversions
# # getting less than 20 mpg highway.
#
# _________________________________________________________________
# Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now^Vit's FREE!
# http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1
#
#
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:24:38 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: onion oil??? really?
I just learned that only in Canada do they still use Onion Mercaptan oils.
In the US they use mostly Butyl ones (that explains why the exhaust smells
different here than in Canada. LPG up there smells like fresh bread after
being burned through an engine) I wonder how this butyl poison they are
using down here is affecting the environment? (LPG is the only fuel allowed
for use indoors. Back when it was certified, they used the onion version of
the oil. The current stuff may not be a non-health risk like the onion
stuff)
I still have my LPG data books around here someplace (from Canada) that
identified the onion oil as the usage for smell up there. (I saw the book
just before I moved and saw that posted on a website recently too. Probably
http://propaneguy.com )
Quote from the link:
Yes. A chemical agent is added to make LPG "smell".
This smell is due to primarily because of a chemical called" Ethyl
Mercaptan" .
http://yedda.com/questions/smell_cooking_gas_8629742071315/
More on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanethiol
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/r?dbs+hsdb:-at-term+-at-na+Ethanethiol
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/sci/A0832739.html
onion oil?
well, that explains a few things... always wondered why
I had an allergic reaction to propane, now I know... dang.
they give it some fancy name for what the smell is... of course
Jim could be all wet, but nonetheless if I get a good whiff of
propane I have a bad reaction... :(
still use it for cutting metal, cooking steak and burning out
wasps, heating metal, etc... just the raw propane smell gets
me...
the other thing I don't like about propane is it's got less
energy than gas so you lose power and economy... and the tanks
and refueling are somewhat inconvenient.
john
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Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: onion oil??? really?
yes, but does mercaptan have any onion or garlic extract in it?
I'm allergic to onions... it's miserable, because so many wonderful
foods have them... sometimes I just suffer through it. ;)
john
-----
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, michel balea wrote:
# technically they are called mercaptan... very close rotten eggs or H2S, but
# not as noxious.
#
# Michel
#
# From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
# Reply-To: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
# To: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
# CC: fsj-at-digest.net
# Subject: fsj: onion oil??? really?
# Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
#
# onion oil?
#
# well, that explains a few things... always wondered why
# I had an allergic reaction to propane, now I know... dang.
#
# they give it some fancy name for what the smell is... of course
# Jim could be all wet, but nonetheless if I get a good whiff of
# propane I have a bad reaction... :(
#
# still use it for cutting metal, cooking steak and burning out
# wasps, heating metal, etc... just the raw propane smell gets me...
#
# the other thing I don't like about propane is it's got less
# energy than gas so you lose power and economy... and the tanks
# and refueling are somewhat inconvenient.
#
# john
#
# -----
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
# http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
#
# # Propane wouldn't stink at all if they didn't put onion oil in it for
# smell
# so
# # you can find leaks easier!
# #
# #
# #
# # expecting 18 to 20 mpg out of a 6.2L Diesel in my Grand
# # Wagoneer.
# #
# # My GMC Jimmys consistently got around 18 to 20 in commutes,
# # would
# # drop to 16 when towing in the mountains.
# #
# # However, since Diesel fuel is cheaper, AND I have over 300
# # gallons
# # of veggie oil, I don't care if it only gets 10 mpg, it's a free
# # ride,
# # and a Diesel... how cool is that?
# #
# # Diesels rule, gas stinks.
# # (propane stinks worse. ;)
# #
# # ----
# # ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they
# # mold
# # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
# # ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# #
# # On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Jim Blair wrote:
# #
# # #
# # # There are a number of recent posts on the list about diesel
# # conversions
# # # getting less than 20 mpg highway.
# #
# # _________________________________________________________________
# # Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now^Vit's FREE!
# # http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1
# #
# #
#
# _________________________________________________________________
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# Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:38:34 -0400
From: "Neal Hoover" <proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net>
Subject: fsj: j-truck hitch?
does anyone know of a place to get a new Class IV towing hitch for j-trucks?
in the light research i've done, nothing has turned up, so i thought i'd
consult the list wisdom before too much belaboring. ;)
thanks!
Neal A. Hoover
Project '76 J-10
Project '96 XJ
http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj
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