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fsj-digest Thursday, August 2 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2897
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
Brian Colucci <ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net>
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Contents:
Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
fsj: FSJ WINDOW REGULATOR FOR A 2 DR
Re: fsj: FSJ WINDOW REGULATOR FOR A 2 DR
fsj: INTAKE MANIFOLD OIL BAFFLE HOW IMPORTANT IS IT?(FOR V8)
fsj: OT: 6.2/6.5 L Diesel question
fsj: salt on roads is NOT a good idea...
fsj: sunroof, manual override
Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
RE: fsj: INTAKE MANIFOLD OIL BAFFLE HOW IMPORTANT IS IT?(FOR V8)
Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
fsj: Re: FSJ WINDOW REGULATOR FOR A 2 DR
Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
Re: xj: RE: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
fsj: couple tech questions
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
mold, despite being allergic to it, is certainly
my preference... although is this really mold,
or moss? :) or is it algae?
what IS this green stuff?
john
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Neal Hoover wrote:
# > but like I say, Snohomish, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
#
# heh. i'd much rather have mold than rust!
# simple green works great on almost anything. good stuff.
# looks like all you need to do is go over the paint with some NuFinish and
# you'll be golden!
#
# Neal A. Hoover
# Project '76 J-10
# Project '96 XJ
# http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj
#
#
# ----- Original Message -----
# From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
# To: "Neal Hoover" <proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net>
# Cc: "xj-list" <xj-at-digest.net>; "full size jeep list" <fsj-at-digest.net>
# Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:21 AM
# Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
#
#
# > I haven't seen it in daylight after washing it yet, just heading
# downstairs...
# > first my morning Latte...
# >
# > but like I say, Snohomish, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
# >
# > thanx again to Jim Blair for hauling this thing home for me and
# > hauling off my daughter's deceased grand am... she's quite
# > happy with her '97 XJ and I got a nice Warn M8000 winch for
# > the grand am. :)
# >
# > I thought about simple green, but most of the green stuff washed off,
# > the paint is just oxidized... the tabs expired in Jan 2006. so this
# > thing has been sitting under a pine tree with the sunroof open on
# > Whidbey Island for at least a year and a half... I picked up a bottle
# > of zip wax car wash... first time I've tried it... I think I'm going
# > to have this thing detailed... maybe... first need to fix the sunroof,
# > then maybe I can polish it up myself... we'll see... in-laws visiting
# > from South Dakota on Friday for a week, then I start another grad level
# > class... hiring work out makes the most sense...
# >
# > still amazing how quickly and easily it started! way easier than
# > Omega did. Body is in much better shape than Omega, parts of the
# > interior are as well... it's also missing parts of the interior... :(
# >
# >
# http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/07-July-31-89GW-home/89-GW-first-pix-31july07/ALL.html
# >
# > back to finishing up my office and carport cleaning this evening...
# > put in a new Pergo floor last weekend... bought some roll around carts
# > to store all my jeep brochures and information. :)
# >
# > john
# > -----
# > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
# > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
# > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# >
# > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Neal Hoover wrote:
# >
# > # sup, moldie!
# > #
# > # looks like it cleaned up nnicely, tho. i probably would have used a
# good
# > # dose of Simple Green to get that stuff off. what did you use?
# > #
# > # Neal A. Hoover
# > # Project '76 J-10
# > # Project '96 XJ
# > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj
# > #
# > #
# > # ----- Original Message -----
# > # From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
# > # To: "full size jeep list" <fsj-at-digest.net>
# > # Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:28 AM
# > # Subject: fsj: first pictures '89 GW
# > #
# > #
# > # >
# > #
# http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/07-July-31-89GW-home/89-GW-first-pix-31july07/ALL.html
# > # >
# > # > other pix:
# > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/07-July-31-89GW-home
# > # >
# > # > -----
# > #
# > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
# > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
# > #
# > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# > #
#
#
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:00:29 -0400
From: "Neal Hoover" <proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
> but like I say, Snohomish, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
heh. i'd much rather have mold than rust!
simple green works great on almost anything. good stuff.
looks like all you need to do is go over the paint with some NuFinish and
you'll be golden!
Neal A. Hoover
Project '76 J-10
Project '96 XJ
http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
To: "Neal Hoover" <proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net>
Cc: "xj-list" <xj-at-digest.net>; "full size jeep list" <fsj-at-digest.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
> I haven't seen it in daylight after washing it yet, just heading
downstairs...
> first my morning Latte...
>
> but like I say, Snohomish, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
>
> thanx again to Jim Blair for hauling this thing home for me and
> hauling off my daughter's deceased grand am... she's quite
> happy with her '97 XJ and I got a nice Warn M8000 winch for
> the grand am. :)
>
> I thought about simple green, but most of the green stuff washed off,
> the paint is just oxidized... the tabs expired in Jan 2006. so this
> thing has been sitting under a pine tree with the sunroof open on
> Whidbey Island for at least a year and a half... I picked up a bottle
> of zip wax car wash... first time I've tried it... I think I'm going
> to have this thing detailed... maybe... first need to fix the sunroof,
> then maybe I can polish it up myself... we'll see... in-laws visiting
> from South Dakota on Friday for a week, then I start another grad level
> class... hiring work out makes the most sense...
>
> still amazing how quickly and easily it started! way easier than
> Omega did. Body is in much better shape than Omega, parts of the
> interior are as well... it's also missing parts of the interior... :(
>
>
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/07-July-31-89GW-home/89-GW-first-pix-31july07/ALL.html
>
> back to finishing up my office and carport cleaning this evening...
> put in a new Pergo floor last weekend... bought some roll around carts
> to store all my jeep brochures and information. :)
>
> john
> -----
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Neal Hoover wrote:
>
> # sup, moldie!
> #
> # looks like it cleaned up nnicely, tho. i probably would have used a
good
> # dose of Simple Green to get that stuff off. what did you use?
> #
> # Neal A. Hoover
> # Project '76 J-10
> # Project '96 XJ
> # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj
> #
> #
> # ----- Original Message -----
> # From: "john" <john-at-wagoneers.com>
> # To: "full size jeep list" <fsj-at-digest.net>
> # Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:28 AM
> # Subject: fsj: first pictures '89 GW
> #
> #
> # >
> #
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/07-July-31-89GW-home/89-GW-first-pix-31july07/ALL.html
> # >
> # > other pix:
> # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/07-July-31-89GW-home
> # >
> # > -----
> #
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
> # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
> #
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> #
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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:22:38 -0500
From: "Zee Man" <z_man401-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: FSJ WINDOW REGULATOR FOR A 2 DR
Neal..
My window lifter was absolutely corroded. I believe previous owner('s)
broke it.
It became way brittle. I bought those windows wiipers so hopefully that
will make my replacement lifter last 10 more years
Rob
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: FSJ WINDOW REGULATOR FOR A 2 DR
isn't that what duct tape is for???
you spent money on real parts???
(just kidding)
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Zee Man wrote:
# Neal..
#
# My window lifter was absolutely corroded. I believe previous owner('s) broke
# it.
# It became way brittle. I bought those windows wiipers so hopefully that will
# make my replacement lifter last 10 more years
#
# Rob
#
# _________________________________________________________________
# Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one
# place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01
#
#
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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:29:01 -0500
From: "Zee Man" <z_man401-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: INTAKE MANIFOLD OIL BAFFLE HOW IMPORTANT IS IT?(FOR V8)
If you are using the metal intake manifold gasket is that oil baffle even
needed? I usually use them myself but I have never tried not using one. I
hate the thought to cut or drill the one off my 4 barrel manifold. Just
for incase I sell it.
Rob
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:35:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: OT: 6.2/6.5 L Diesel question
my son is planning to replace the head gaskets in his
'83 GMC Jimmy 6.2L Diesel and heard that there are
certain years of 6.5 Diesel that will work and last
longer, any one know about this?
thanx,
john
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: salt on roads is NOT a good idea...
...when will the road maintenance folks ever figure it out....
...that salt on roads is a very, very bad idea...
the tragedy... three people died... 35W collapsed in
Minneapolis... they were working on a deicing system...
I wonder if it will be blamed on corrosion that caused this disaster...
http://www.komotv.com/news/8861042.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291790,00.html
One thing that is impressive watching the Fox News Live stream
is the fact that people are helping each other and that
the authorities have control of the situation. This does
not seem to happen in other places, even within the states...
john
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:32:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: sunroof, manual override
need to find what tool is needed to manually
close a sunroof on the '89 to '91 Grand Wagoneer...
I found the opening, but don't have the tool, it's
down in Centralia... is it a torx head or a straight allen?
thanx,
john
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:48:44 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
A: It's moss and moss-like lichen.
mold, despite being allergic to it, is certainly
my preference... although is this really mold,
or moss? :) or is it algae?
what IS this green stuff?
john
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:46:40 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: INTAKE MANIFOLD OIL BAFFLE HOW IMPORTANT IS IT?(FOR V8)
A: If you don't have it, the PCV gets overloaded and the motor slurps up the
oil!
If you are using the metal intake manifold gasket is that oil baffle even
needed? I usually use them myself but I have never tried not using one. I
hate the thought to cut or drill the one off my 4 barrel manifold. Just
for incase I sell it.
Rob
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:01:33 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
A: I gather someone else got it if it's gone (no worries) #5 is driver's
side second from the back. (evens on driver's side and odds on passenger's
side)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
jim, before you take the dolly back, come and get the maverick!!! please!
I'll call my neighbor and tell them it's finally got a good home.
I doubt it's that far gone, it's been sitting there for 13 years, the hood
isn't that rusted, the guy should have hit it with PBblaster or something
before trying to open it... the door jambs look fine to me:
http://wagoneers.com/tmp/Maverick/ (scroll down for detailed pix)
of course you're welcome to use my tow bar, it has a real bumper it'll
be fine...
please, please take it... my sister-in-law flies in Friday evening, would
love to have it gone by then... :)
thanx again on the GW... suspect a fuse: dome lights don't work and
no power (apparently to the sunroof switch).
refresh my feeble memory... #5 on an amc boat anchor is where? (if
I hadn't started my mechanical life experiences with a ford I wouldn't
be having these troubles now... ;)
john
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
wait a minute... read what you wrote...
#5 is driver's side
# second from the back. (evens on driver's side and odds on passenger's side)
and yes the maverick is gone! PTL!
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:53:28 -0400
From: "Neal Hoover" <proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net>
Subject: fsj: Re: FSJ WINDOW REGULATOR FOR A 2 DR
gotcha. just curious because i'm replacing everything i can inside my doors
in my build. lifters, gaskets, slides, wipes, vent window gaskets, etc.
the only thing i haven't been able to find is the slide that goes on the
trailing edge of the divider between the main window and the vent window.
anybody find a new replacement anywhere?
Neal A. Hoover
Project '76 J-10
Project '96 XJ
http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj
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From: "Zee Man" <z_man401-at-hotmail.com>
To: <fsj-at-digest.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: fsj: FSJ WINDOW REGULATOR FOR A 2 DR
> Neal..
>
> My window lifter was absolutely corroded. I believe previous owner('s)
> broke it.
> It became way brittle. I bought those windows wiipers so hopefully that
> will make my replacement lifter last 10 more years
>
> Rob
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one
> place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:28:57 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
Doh! Never write tech when tired! Odds on driver's side!
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:01:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: xj: RE: Re: fsj: Re: first pictures '89 GW
no idea on name yet...
waiting for Omega to get the 6.2L Diesel... this '89 has some
excellent parts, body is nearly perfect... if Omega is a flop
I may build a 4.0L GW out of this one... we'll see...
not big into "II or Jr.'s"... :)
was thinking about naming that 2001 XJ I was looking at Omega Jr. (last year
and all. ;)
With in-laws coming out tomorrow and a week of vacation, then starting
classes again (grad school managerial accounting this time, oh boy, happy
joy joy... ;) not sure when I'll have time to work on it... need to
fix the sunroof, then thinking about getting it detailed... lots of
little things... might be two or three weeks before I can even reattach
the driveshaft to run it up to the detailer... would like it looking really
nice and don't have the time to do it... since it was free spending
money on something I normally do doesn't seem like a waste... will
add value to it. Even if the engine is toast it's worth putting
together...
need to figure out how to manually close the sunroof, or do a little
electrical troubleshooting tonight... so much to do, so little time. :)
john
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Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Darren K. Page wrote:
# John, so what have you baptized it? Old Blue II or Old Blue the Second? ;)
#
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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# Montreal, Qc
# dkpage at videotron.ca
#
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:12:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: couple tech questions
couple of quick questions:
- - 124: where is the connection for the fans on the '91 124 300Ds?
both bruce and I are suffering in this heat... it hit 70 today
and when we're stuck in traffic (most of the time) the temp gauge goes up
a ways, and a/c doesn't seem to blow as cold... thinking of
a manual override... where's the connector? It's not like we're
overheating, we're used to the gauge being at 80C. ;) Don't like
seeing that needle up at 100, Bruce's goes up higher from what he
described...
- - '96 XJ 4.0L: anyone know what it costs to have new rings, bearings
and gaskets installed in a 4.0L? Thinking of using my
'96 4.0L in this '89 Grand Wagoneer... not sure yet.
- - '89 Grand Wagoneer... - sunroof manual override... what tool?
torx, phillips or allen??? what size? need to close it. :)
So, the fleet sits at:
'99 WJ Grand Cherokee... pressed into primary service as a tour bus this week.
'91 300D, gets a week off. no problems, other than not liking this "hot" weather. ;)
'89 Grand Wagoneer - waiting for tabs, title... then detail/cleanup, sunroof,
exhaust, engine, tires/rims, interior carpet... Not sure which
engine to go with... the existing 5.9L if it can be fixed, otherwise
a 304 from jim, or rebuild my 4.0 and use the AW4 setup...
'75 J10 trailer - battery charged, ready for the next load.
in Centralia:
'91 Grand Wagoneer - sitting... curtis has been dealing with family issues
and hasn't touched Omega for three weeks or so... not sure how much longer.
'83 J10 stepside - still in pieces, since April 2001... have a replacement
engine up here for it, with a nice Weber Carb, will keep the 4.2/T-5/208
'67 J100 Panel - in Centralia, it's fate uncertain, most likely will stay there.
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