From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Sep 12 17:08:40 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, September 13 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2920 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing RE: fsj: Anyone want to hydroboost their brakes? Neil... Re: fsj: Anyone want to hydroboost their brakes? Neil... Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "michel balea" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing > > Does it look like an inside dome lamp from the 70's.... > > Pict for the untrucking educated... forgot what they look like > > M > > From: john > Reply-To: john > To: Neal Hoover > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:56:30 -0700 (PDT) > > well I have one for superdawg but I haven't > seen it for six years.... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: > > # oh, c'mon, john, yer killin' me!!!! > # ;p > # > # the bed lamp stands proud of the big chrome trim piece that runs along > the > # top/back of the cab, so it hardly even comes in contact with the body > color. > # i'm not *that* much of a nut for restoring things exaclty back to > original, > # but that kind of a color scheme i think would look just plain silly.... > # > # Neal A. Hoover > # Project '76 J-10 > # Project '96 XJ > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > # > # > # ----- Original Message ----- > # From: "john" > # To: "Neal Hoover" > # Cc: ; "FSJ List" > # Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:13 AM > # Subject: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing > # > # > # > why not paint it the same color as the truck and paint > # > the light area with silver so it shines? > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: > # > > # > # honestly, i haven't researched that part of it, but i'd say that > it'd > # be > # > # super expensive for such a small part. > # > # and, since it is plastic, it's not even a typical chroming > process... > # > # meaning more specialized and more expensive. > # > # guess i'll look into it some so i can really scare myself. > # > # > # > # Neal A. Hoover > # > # Project '76 J-10 > # > # Project '96 XJ > # > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > # > # > # > # > # > # ----- Original Message ----- > # > # From: "john" > # > # To: "Neal Hoover" > # > # Cc: ; "FSJ List" > # > # Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:56 AM > # > # Subject: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing > # > # > # > # > # > # > can't you just have it rechromed professionally? > # > # > or is that something that disappeared with the 60's? > # > # > > # > # > ----- > # > # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > > # > # > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: > # > # > > # > # > # yup. > # > # > # i'm looking for a good bed lamp housing for my j-truck. i > have > # one, > # > # but the > # > # > # finish is about gone from it, and it's about impossible to > find a > # good > # > # > # chrome paint to restore it. > # > # > # hit me back channel with responses/pics. > # > # > # thanks!!! > # > # > # > # > # > # Neal A. Hoover > # > # > # Project '76 J-10 > # > # > # Project '96 XJ > # > # > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > # > # > # > # > # > # > > _________________________________________________________________ > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger > Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:26:40 -0700 (PDT) From: elliott sydnam Subject: RE: fsj: Anyone want to hydroboost their brakes? Neil... Neil, Any chance you'd be willing to check this out in your rig? On a straight away, cut the engine being careful not to lock the column and see if you still have decent brakes for several pedal applications? The idea of haveing the 1500psi nitrogen charge in the accumulater is to provide back up pressure assist for 5-10 pedal applications. Even without a charged accumulator the pedal pressure should be no greater than losing power on a vacuum assist system because the manual system is the same, the pushrod from the pedal acutuates the plunger in the master cylinder so I'm not seeing how even with a failed accumulator the pedal pressure would be any greater in a HB equipped vehicle. I've lost power in my vacuum assisted Cherokee on a hill once and I agree that it felt like John described "like pressing down on concrete" so I don't see how it could be worse. I lost power in my hydroboosted 2000 F350 dually once and I don't recall it being that bad... not that it was pleasent either, but not worse than what I experience in my Chero. My experience with the Chero was that if my pedal pressure had been any worse I would not have had any brakes. These hydroboost are installed on every Astro EXT van and all the diesel duallies, it has the same size pressure piston in the HB as used in the GM dually one ton trucks. BTW, I know a guy making up pressure hose for these that have the Metric o-ring fittings at the HB end of the hose and flared hose fittings at the box and pump end of the hose, with correct bending for the price of what a set of hoses cost at AutoZone with the addition of flared line adaptors. This should simplify installing on pre '80 rigs. Thanks guys! Elliott - --- john wrote: > have had four factory equipped, fully functional GM Diesels with this > setup, when the engine quits the brakes are really hard, but still work > fine... harder than when you lose vacuum... > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, elliott sydnam wrote: > > # Not sure on that, possibly your accumulator was compromised. That is something I could try > out > # though. It shouldn't be any worse than manual brakes, especially if you use the same master > # cylinder. It should be no different than losing vacuum assist since the system is manual once > the > # 5-10 applications of nitrogen assist in the accumulator are used. With vacuum breaks you > don't > # have another 5-10 power assists when you stall or bust a belt. I'll look into that. Hydratech > has > # a pretty good forum at: http://www.hydratechbraking.com/ and it may have come up as a > question > # there. > # Elliott > # > # > # > # --- john wrote: > # > # > if a hydraboost system looses it's power it's NOT the same as > # > a vaccum booster pressure, it's way harder!!! > # > > # > I've had four GM Diesels with hydraboost... you loose power steering > # > from a belt break or an engine termination and you'd better have > # > really, really strong leg muscles... it feels like you're trying > # > to press down on concrete... > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > # > > # > # I scored my own from boneyards (got real lucky because most want more than > # > # your price for them!) and I even found one in a Lincoln Towncar to go into my > # > # '82 AMC Spirit when I put the EFI in. MUCH better braking and if you ever > # > # stall, it's more like manual brakes than double footing a vacuum booster gone > # > # bad! > # > # > # > # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > # > # > # > # like them only Entangle and > # > # hold the poor and > # > # > # > # weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > # > # > # > # break > # > # through them > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > # > # > # > # > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:54:22 -0700 > # > # > From: elliottsydnam-at-yahoo.com > # > # > Subject: fsj: Anyone want to hydroboost their brakes? > # > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > # > # > > # > # > I have several used hydroboosts for sale that can be adapted to '74+ rigs > # > # fairly easily and I'm > # > # > working out issues for pre '74 rigs. > # > # > The hydroboost itself is $75 and includes mounting bolts and will be bushed > # > # to fit your brake > # > # > pedal assembly. > # > # > If you have a '81+ rig you will also need the master cylinder and that set > # > # up is only $100. > # > # > Shipping on these in the continental US is under $25. > # > # > > # > # > Other things you would need to purchase on your own are: > # > # > 1) new hoses (I will give you the part numbers depending on your vehicle) > # > # > 2) a 3/8" barbed hose T-fitting for the return line (if you can't find one I > # > # can get them) > # > # > 3) a 1" spacer block to fit between your aluminum firewall spacer and the > # > # mounting plate of the > # > # > hydroboost. You can fab your own (I will provide the dimensions) or you can > # > # purchase them through > # > # > a buddy of mine at $35 for a stainless spacer or $25 for a regular spacer > # > # that you will need to > # > # > paint. > # > # > 4) if you have flared hose fittings (pre '80 rigs) you will need to adapt > # > # your hoses and there are > # > # > a few ways to accomplish that which I will guide you on. > # > # > > # > # > Just a note here, if your rig has the later style cruise control ('83+ ?) > # > # the servo will need to > # > # > be relocated. If you have a 6 cyl with the weber carb the throttle linkage > # > # will need to be > # > # > modified slightly I believe, or the HB can be inverted for greater clearance > # > # although it does take > # > # > longer to bleed inverted. I also have a guy looking to make custom hoses > # > # that will adapt the > # > # > metric o-ring HB end to the earlier flared hose fittings on pre '80 rigs. > # > # > > # > # > For pre '74 rigs I have quite a bit of the details worked out already, there > # > # are some variations > # > # > among those rigs so with some basic info/measurements from you I am > # > # confident I can adapt these to > # > # > your application as well, but you will need another master cylinder, as well > # > # as a residual > # > # > pressure valve for your front brake line to maintain a firm pedal (~$26), > # > # and you have to have > # > # > power steering already. > # > # > > # > # > If you are interested... I do take paypal. Any questions? > # > # > Thanks for reading and your interest, > # > # > Elliott > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # _____________________________________________________________________________ > # > # _______ > # > # > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows > # > # on Yahoo! TV. > # > # > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # > # Capture your memories in an online journal! > # > # http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > # > # > # > > # > # > # > # ____________________________________________________________________________________ > # Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. > # http://tv.yahoo.com/ > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:12:22 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: Anyone want to hydroboost their brakes? Neil... i'd be happy to, elliot, but.. see.. i don't even *have* a brake pedal in my rig yet. let alone a steering column! ;) still slooooowly piecing my junk back together. :-/ Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "elliott sydnam" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: RE: fsj: Anyone want to hydroboost their brakes? Neil... > Neil, > Any chance you'd be willing to check this out in your rig? On a straight away, cut the engine > being careful not to lock the column and see if you still have decent brakes for several pedal > applications? > The idea of haveing the 1500psi nitrogen charge in the accumulater is to provide back up pressure > assist for 5-10 pedal applications. Even without a charged accumulator the pedal pressure should > be no greater than losing power on a vacuum assist system because the manual system is the same, > the pushrod from the pedal acutuates the plunger in the master cylinder so I'm not seeing how even > with a failed accumulator the pedal pressure would be any greater in a HB equipped vehicle. > I've lost power in my vacuum assisted Cherokee on a hill once and I agree that it felt like John > described "like pressing down on concrete" so I don't see how it could be worse. I lost power in > my hydroboosted 2000 F350 dually once and I don't recall it being that bad... not that it was > pleasent either, but not worse than what I experience in my Chero. My experience with the Chero > was that if my pedal pressure had been any worse I would not have had any brakes. > > These hydroboost are installed on every Astro EXT van and all the diesel duallies, it has the same > size pressure piston in the HB as used in the GM dually one ton trucks. > > BTW, I know a guy making up pressure hose for these that have the Metric o-ring fittings at the HB > end of the hose and flared hose fittings at the box and pump end of the hose, with correct bending > for the price of what a set of hoses cost at AutoZone with the addition of flared line adaptors. > This should simplify installing on pre '80 rigs. > Thanks guys! > Elliott > > > > --- john wrote: > > > have had four factory equipped, fully functional GM Diesels with this > > setup, when the engine quits the brakes are really hard, but still work > > fine... harder than when you lose vacuum... > > > > ----- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, elliott sydnam wrote: > > > > # Not sure on that, possibly your accumulator was compromised. That is something I could try > > out > > # though. It shouldn't be any worse than manual brakes, especially if you use the same master > > # cylinder. It should be no different than losing vacuum assist since the system is manual once > > the > > # 5-10 applications of nitrogen assist in the accumulator are used. With vacuum breaks you > > don't > > # have another 5-10 power assists when you stall or bust a belt. I'll look into that. Hydratech > > has > > # a pretty good forum at: http://www.hydratechbraking.com/ and it may have come up as a > > question > > # there. > > # Elliott > > # > > # > > # > > # --- john wrote: > > # > > # > if a hydraboost system looses it's power it's NOT the same as > > # > a vaccum booster pressure, it's way harder!!! > > # > > > # > I've had four GM Diesels with hydraboost... you loose power steering > > # > from a belt break or an engine termination and you'd better have > > # > really, really strong leg muscles... it feels like you're trying > > # > to press down on concrete... > > # > > > # > john > > # > > > # > ----- > > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > # > > > # > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > > > # > # I scored my own from boneyards (got real lucky because most want more than > > # > # your price for them!) and I even found one in a Lincoln Towncar to go into my > > # > # '82 AMC Spirit when I put the EFI in. MUCH better braking and if you ever > > # > # stall, it's more like manual brakes than double footing a vacuum booster gone > > # > # bad! > > # > # > > # > # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > > # > # > > # > # like them only Entangle and > > # > # hold the poor and > > # > # > > # > # weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > > # > # > > # > # break > > # > # through them > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > > # > # > > # > # > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:54:22 -0700 > > # > # > From: elliottsydnam-at-yahoo.com > > # > # > Subject: fsj: Anyone want to hydroboost their brakes? > > # > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > # > # > > > # > # > I have several used hydroboosts for sale that can be adapted to '74+ rigs > > # > # fairly easily and I'm > > # > # > working out issues for pre '74 rigs. > > # > # > The hydroboost itself is $75 and includes mounting bolts and will be bushed > > # > # to fit your brake > > # > # > pedal assembly. > > # > # > If you have a '81+ rig you will also need the master cylinder and that set > > # > # up is only $100. > > # > # > Shipping on these in the continental US is under $25. > > # > # > > > # > # > Other things you would need to purchase on your own are: > > # > # > 1) new hoses (I will give you the part numbers depending on your vehicle) > > # > # > 2) a 3/8" barbed hose T-fitting for the return line (if you can't find one I > > # > # can get them) > > # > # > 3) a 1" spacer block to fit between your aluminum firewall spacer and the > > # > # mounting plate of the > > # > # > hydroboost. You can fab your own (I will provide the dimensions) or you can > > # > # purchase them through > > # > # > a buddy of mine at $35 for a stainless spacer or $25 for a regular spacer > > # > # that you will need to > > # > # > paint. > > # > # > 4) if you have flared hose fittings (pre '80 rigs) you will need to adapt > > # > # your hoses and there are > > # > # > a few ways to accomplish that which I will guide you on. > > # > # > > > # > # > Just a note here, if your rig has the later style cruise control ('83+ ?) > > # > # the servo will need to > > # > # > be relocated. If you have a 6 cyl with the weber carb the throttle linkage > > # > # will need to be > > # > # > modified slightly I believe, or the HB can be inverted for greater clearance > > # > # although it does take > > # > # > longer to bleed inverted. I also have a guy looking to make custom hoses > > # > # that will adapt the > > # > # > metric o-ring HB end to the earlier flared hose fittings on pre '80 rigs. > > # > # > > > # > # > For pre '74 rigs I have quite a bit of the details worked out already, there > > # > # are some variations > > # > # > among those rigs so with some basic info/measurements from you I am > > # > # confident I can adapt these to > > # > # > your application as well, but you will need another master cylinder, as well > > # > # as a residual > > # > # > pressure valve for your front brake line to maintain a firm pedal (~$26), > > # > # and you have to have > > # > # > power steering already. > > # > # > > > # > # > If you are interested... I do take paypal. Any questions? > > # > # > Thanks for reading and your interest, > > # > # > Elliott > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # ____________________________________________________________________________ _ > > # > # _______ > > # > # > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows > > # > # on Yahoo! TV. > > # > # > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > # > # > > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > > # > # Capture your memories in an online journal! > > # > # http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > # > # > > # > > > # > > # > > # > > # ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > > # Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. > > # http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:07:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing ok, tell ya what... go down to Curtis's place, help him get Omega and Superdawg out of his shop and you can have it for your troubles... if you can find it in his shop. :) I'll even come down and cheer you on... we'll have a mini-FSJ fest right there! john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: # i'll take it. # ;) # # Neal A. Hoover # Project '76 J-10 # Project '96 XJ # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj # # # ----- Original Message ----- # From: "john" # To: "Neal Hoover" # Cc: # Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:56 AM # Subject: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing # # # > well I have one for superdawg but I haven't # > seen it for six years.... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: # > # > # oh, c'mon, john, yer killin' me!!!! # > # ;p # > # # > # the bed lamp stands proud of the big chrome trim piece that runs along # the # > # top/back of the cab, so it hardly even comes in contact with the body # color. # > # i'm not *that* much of a nut for restoring things exaclty back to # original, # > # but that kind of a color scheme i think would look just plain silly.... # > # # > # Neal A. Hoover # > # Project '76 J-10 # > # Project '96 XJ # > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj # > # # > # # > # ----- Original Message ----- # > # From: "john" # > # To: "Neal Hoover" # > # Cc: ; "FSJ List" # > # Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:13 AM # > # Subject: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing # > # # > # # > # > why not paint it the same color as the truck and paint # > # > the light area with silver so it shines? # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: # > # > # > # > # honestly, i haven't researched that part of it, but i'd say that # it'd # > # be # > # > # super expensive for such a small part. # > # > # and, since it is plastic, it's not even a typical chroming # process... # > # > # meaning more specialized and more expensive. # > # > # guess i'll look into it some so i can really scare myself. # > # > # # > # > # Neal A. Hoover # > # > # Project '76 J-10 # > # > # Project '96 XJ # > # > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # ----- Original Message ----- # > # > # From: "john" # > # > # To: "Neal Hoover" # > # > # Cc: ; "FSJ List" # > # > # Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:56 AM # > # > # Subject: Re: fsj: Wanted: Bed Lamp Housing # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # > can't you just have it rechromed professionally? # > # > # > or is that something that disappeared with the 60's? # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # # > # # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # > # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # > # # > # # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > # > # > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: # > # > # > # > # > # > # yup. # > # > # > # i'm looking for a good bed lamp housing for my j-truck. i # have # > # one, # > # > # but the # > # > # > # finish is about gone from it, and it's about impossible to # find a # > # good # > # > # > # chrome paint to restore it. # > # > # > # hit me back channel with responses/pics. # > # > # > # thanks!!! # > # > # > # # > # > # > # Neal A. Hoover # > # > # > # Project '76 J-10 # > # > # > # Project '96 XJ # > # > # > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj # > # > # > # # > # > # # > # # # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2920 **************************